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Old May 26th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Ok Ok Thanks! I didn't know and on APP2SD when I moved Netflix under apps on sd card it showed up there and said 1.09 mb but the whole app was like 26mb. So then I moved it back. But is it better to not move them unless you have too. Will your phone run better or faster. I know I was told it's not good to move the ones with the X on it. But anyone so you have 9 gigs to move apps too and 2 gigs for apps is that right? Well the 9 gigs is also for music and pics and stuff too am I right? I do know when I took a pic I think it asked if I wanted it to be on the sd card and I don't recall it asking that on my 3D.

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No its not moving it to the sd cars like it did on the og evo. Its moving it to the phone storage. The one that is like 9 gigs.

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Old May 26th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Again, phone storage is 16 GB.

It's broken down as follows -

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Exactly what can be placed on your Evo 3D's sd card. Music, pictures, vids, some app data.

Some apps can moved there with apps2sd or the equivalent built-in.

Many apps moved to the sd card will continue to store data into the 2GB apps area.

Here's how a phone is laid out (very simplified version) in terms of partitions. They're just like partitions (or logical drives, if you will) on a PC hard disk. Instead of drive letters, they get folder names -

  • /boot
    • kernel goes here, it's not big
  • /system
    • Android, Sense, and included apps (when you open the box) go here
  • /data
    • your apps go here (this area is pretty rich, it's the 2 GB part of the LTEvo)
  • /sdcard
    • a physical sd card on most phones, but actually a reserved space of 9~10 GB from the 16 GB storage on the LTEvo
    • Android always expects to see this folder/area
    • acts just like the sd card on an Evo or 3vo
  • /cache
    • the operating system cache - ignore this, it doesn't concern you as a user as far as managing things go
  • various hidden areas
    • bootloader, radio firmware, etc - ignore this, it doesn't concern you as a user as far as managing things go
  • /ext_sd
    • if you install an actual sd card into the LTEvo, it will be accessed with that name
The physical sd card access at /sdcard/ext_sd is a shortcut.

(So is /sdcard as matter of fact. When you put in a physical card, it doesn't change the directory name or re-copy anything, it just changes shortcuts from what you are used to.)

The actual storage story gets more complex from there and is only of value to devs and unix users familiar with FUSE.

Try EStrongs File Explorer, menu, preferences and set the home directory to / if you want to explore things.

App2sd still moves to /sdcard - but that isn't the physical, EXTernal SD card, ext_sd is.

The more the term "phone storage" is abused, the harder it's going to be to keep it all straight. Maybe try thinking of it as "user storage" instead.

Your sd card shortcut is named ext_sd.

Until there's a root solution to overcome the ICS filesystem layout on the phone with that getting renamed to /sdcard - or until someone invents an apps2sd that lets ICS see apps on /ext_sd instead, there won't be any way to move apps to the physical sd card. Calling /sdcard "phone storage" and insisting that an sd card is THE sd card won't change it. Sorry.

While we're at it - apps2sd became the craze on phones that had less than a quarter of the app storage space that this phone has.

Before sweating the importance of this, maybe make sure that it still matters.
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I feel like all my posts were all pretty simple, but I guess they were still too complicated for people
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lets see if i can translate it...
using what I know about OG evo and how it worked. (this is different because the added 16GB of builtin memory storage)

there are 4 areas for apps...(note: IS, ES, SS are initials created by me for this post only)
- internal storage (IS) - where apps are originally installed. 2GB area
- external storage (ES) - where user created data is stored (MP3 + photos). 9GB area
- SD card storage (SS) - the physical SD card you put into the phone.
- RAM is 1GB and totally separate from the rest. this is where programs are processed/running/sitting in background. RAM is faster than storage memory (IS, ES, SS)

IS and ES is part of the 16GB of built-in .. other parts of the 16GB is used by Android.
SD is like another harddrive in your computer. where you can save your created files and data.

when you install an app.. it goes directly into the IS area.
when you use Apps2sd, it moves part of the app to the ES area.
example: with Netflix, you are moving most of the 26mb of app to the ES; and only leaving 1.06mb in the IS.

android will let you know if you can move part of the app to ES..
if it can not be moved; android will not even give you an option to move..
NOTE: apps with widgets.. the widgets may not work so well if they are moved. so i normally just leave them in IS area.

hope i am right.. and this makes sense.
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lets see if i can translate it...
using what I know about OG evo and how it worked. (this is different because the added 16GB of builtin memory storage)

there are 3 areas for apps...
- internal storage (IS) - where apps are originally installed. 2GB area
- external storage (ES) - where user created data is stored (MP3 + photos). 9GB area
- SD card storage (SS) - the physical SD card you put into the phone.

IS is part of RAM
ES is part of the 16GB of built-in .. other parts of the 16GB is used by Android.
SD is like another harddrive in your computer. where you can save your created files and data.

when you install an app.. it goes directly into the IS area.
when you use Apps2sd, it moves part of the app to the ES area.
example: with Netflix, you are moving most of the 26mb of app to the ES; and only leaving 1.06mb in the IS.

android will let you know if you can move part of the app to ES..
if it can not be moved; android will not even give you an option to move..
NOTE: apps with widgets.. the widgets may not work so well if they are moved. so i normally just leave them in IS area.

hope i am right.. and this makes sense.

RAM and IS are not the same. 2gb for apps and 9gb es (as u term it) are part of the 16gb storage.

From what I remember, there's 1gb of RAM. That's where the memory running apps and functions on the phone are stored. RAM is not associatedwith storage...ever.
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Ok I think I found something. I downloaded astro file manager. Went to manage my files. I also had live365 and dogg catcher downloaded. Now when you go to manage my files at top and below home, up, mul it shows /mnt/sdcard...this is the phone storage. So I long pressed on live365 and a menu came up with copy, move, rename, delete. I selected move. Then at top now shows paste.

I hit up 2x and selected sdcard2 (this is your micro sd card) this where I moved my musi from the laptop and any pics I took are stored to...again this is the micro sd card and I hit paste and presto. These 2 apps are now on the micro sd card.

Please someone else confirm, but this is not a root. I was trying to move google ske map, but couldn't find the file as I did not have enough time.

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OK. You copied apps to the external sd card.

Do you find that Android will execute those copies?

/mnt/sdcard is the unix mount point for the sdcard partition of internal phone storage.
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OK. You copied apps to the external sd card.

Do you find that Android will execute those copies?

/mnt/sdcard is the unix mount point for the sdcard partition of internal phone storage.
Not copied but moved it and I did try live365 and presto...worked. So I don't think a root is needed, just to know exactly where the app is.

But again someone else please confirm.
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OK.

Now reboot your phone and see if the app is still in /data/app.
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Now reboot your phone and see if the app is still in /data/app.
Didn't see anything in data. But after restarting I saw live365 in phone storage and deleted it. And try running it from the sd and it worked.
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When you say that you tried running it from the external sd card, do you mean that you navigated to it on Astro, and clicked on it?

If not, reboot and give it a try.
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When you say that you tried running it from the external sd card, do you mean that you navigated to it on Astro, and clicked on it?

If not, reboot and give it a try.

No the icon is still on the phone. But where it is actually stored and running from is the sd card. Only thing I did with astro is move it from phone storage to the actual sd card.

So where things are normally stored either internal or phone storage, live365 is now stored on and running from the actual ad card. Just like if you moved an mp3 file to the ad card from the pc. Your playing that song from the sd card. Same thing.

I was able to move live365 from phone storage to the sd card. I even restarted and went back to astro and deleted it from the phone storage and it's not there. Live365 plays like it should.micon is still there. I restarted 2x.
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And you started it by tapping it in Astro after the reboot?
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And you started it by tapping it in Astro after the reboot?
No by clicking on the app on the actual phone.
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No by clicking on the app on the actual phone.
Yeah. I know.

Ok, maybe we can clear this up if you do this -

In Astro, go to that apk file on your external sd card. Long press it (I think that's how Astro works) and choose the option to rename it.

Change the name so that instead of ending in .apk you have it end in apk.sav - because .sav files cannot execute.

Reboot phone. Try to run the app, report back.
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Yeah. I know.

Ok, maybe we can clear this up if you do this -

In Astro, go to that apk file on your external sd card. Long press it (I think that's how Astro works) and choose the option to rename it.

Change the name so that instead of ending in .apk you have it end in apk.sav - because .sav files cannot execute.

Reboot phone. Try to run the app, report back.
I give up. Lol seems when I pressed the app on the phone, it put files back to sd card 1 (phone storage). It's not even showing the .apk,. Sorry about all the back and forth. I'm trying though.
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I give up. Lol seems when I pressed the app on the phone, it put files back to sd card 1 (phone storage). It's not even showing the .apk,. Sorry about all the back and forth. I'm trying though.
No, it's all good. I have a healthy skepticism, but if you've found some weird workaround, it's good to know.

If you're not discouraged, suggest repeating the whole thing again, including the name change as the final step, using EStrongs File Explorer.

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I fully understand it now but I thought when I went to move Netflix just to test it with App2SD it said it only moved 1.06 and left the rest so I moved it back. But your saying it moved 20 something and left the 1.06 on the 2 gig storage. Cause when I tried it and went o what is on sd card which I know is the internal 9 gigs it said Netflix 1.09 like it didn't move much at all and I thought that's not moving hardly anything so I put it back to phone. Maybe I didn't look right I'll try it again. But I understand the storage now.

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example: with Netflix, you are moving most of the 26mb of app to the ES; and only leaving 1.06mb in the IS.



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I searched and could not find an answer to this:

On this phone you have the option to move your Apps to phone storage. Will doing this cause slower loading times like it used to on phones that allowed you move a portion if the space used by apps to the sd card? What are the disadvantages to moving your apps to.phone storage?

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bluegold,

moved your question here since its in line with the discussions going on. i would also suggest you smoke over this thread and read on on the storage functions being discussed.

Android has made this possible since froyo or gingerbread, so other android handsets can have apps moved to different storage.

you will not notice any lag by moving apps to different storage on the device.

the advantages of moving this is to free up phone memory.
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Thanks for moving the post.

So we are sure that moving the apps to the phone storage won't slow down the opening and operating speed of the app?

I know this was a concern when moving apps to the sd with the original EVO...hence a bunch of people over at XDA were using class 10 sd cards.
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Thanks for moving the post.

So we are sure that moving the apps to the phone storage won't slow down the opening and operating speed of the app?

I know this was a concern when moving apps to the sd with the original EVO...hence a bunch of people over at XDA were using class 10 sd cards.
The Evo apps2sd was using a physical SD card.

The internal storage being used here is on the same memory chip that the app was originally located on, simply in a partition that's formatted VFAT, just like a physical SD card.

In simple terms - the onboard memory access is likely to meet or exceed any Class 10 card experience you've had.
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I thought this phone was advertised as a 16 gb phone, but I don't see where it says that anywhere on the device. Am I missing something??
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I thought this phone was advertised as a 16 gb phone, but I don't see where it says that anywhere on the device. Am I missing something??
Well advertised space is never the actual space. Having said that, if you go to Storage you will see 2.09GB of space is allocated for internal storage for apps only. Then you will see 9.93GB of space is allocated for Phone Storage that we can use for anything. That is a total of 12.02GB..... the rest is not user accessible and is used for the OS, HTC Sense, etc.
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^ Yep. And it's that way on every phone sold in the USA that I've seen for the past two years.
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I got the Evo LTE from the Evo 4G yesterday and realized it didn't come with an SD card because it has space for internal storage. I'm a bit confused though, how do I know what is on the phone and what's on my SD card (I have the 8 GB that came with my original Evo.)... if I would reset to factory settings would I lose everything stored on my phone (pictures, videos, music.).. will everything show up the same on my phone if I have the files split from internal storage on my phone and an SD card? Sorry for all the questions just wondering how this works before I start putting stuff on it, which I'm really eager to do.
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If you have the SD card in the phone and hook it up to computer via usb and select media storage it will seperate out the SD card and internal storage so you can see both and know whats in them.

One thing that I like a lot about the internal storage is that when I flash different ROMS ( equivalent to a factory reset for the non-rooted users) it saves my game data on the internal drive whereas I would lose it if I had the EVO 4G.

(Games like NBA Jam where you have to download 300mb+ after you install it)

You will not lose anything stored on the internal drive when you do a factory reset. This includes pictures. When you put the SD card in it will ask you if where you want to store photos
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Ok so basically its the same as an SD card... that's great, I just wanted to make sure that since the files are actually stored within the phone that they wouldn't erase if I reset it.

Could you tell me how to put apps on my actual SD card so it doesn't take away space in my phone? I'll probably just use it for that and not any actual media files.
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Ok so basically its the same as an SD card... that's great, I just wanted to make sure that since the files are actually stored within the phone that they wouldn't erase if I reset it.

Could you tell me how to put apps on my actual SD card so it doesn't take away space in my phone? I'll probably just use it for that and not any actual media files.
Go into Settings ---> Applications ---> Manage Applications and wait for this list to be populated with not just the applications but the amount of memory they are using up. Select a larger app and on the next screen if the the app can be moved to the SD card you'll be able to push the Move to SD button. Repeat the process for each app.

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I am getting this phone tomorrow and I was just wondering if ics let's you move apps to SD? I have not seen anything that says one way or another. Would just kinda like to know. Thanks.
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ICS will let you do this, but you won't need it to do ... about 2GB internal storage for apps to install should be enough

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Alrighty then! Just moved a bunch of stuff to Phone storage. I see that is where TWRP was already putting my nands, have over 3 gig of them on there and prob another 3 on external sd card.

Are there any good deals you guys know of regarding any 32 gig class 10 sd cards???

edit: I went ahead and ordered another Patriot 16 gig class 10 from amazon, free shipping and less than 15 bucks.

i need a bit more room than this cheap 8g I got when I bought the phone. i also need something faster for when I do transfer stuff to it.
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Question EVO LTE Internal Storage Question

My Evo LTE has internal storage and when I plug in into my computer, I see 'sd card' as one of the folders but nothing is in it (just a randomly named folder with no files). Isn't the whole thing supposed to act as an sd card? Why are there folders that are on their own and nothing in the 'sd card' folder? I don't want to accidentally lose all my files. If I ever restore my phone to factory settings will I lose what is stored on my internal storage?
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Best information right here: Official HTC EVO 4G LTE FAQ and Guide
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I have been searching for a good offline newsreader, and came across newsrob, which seems to do everything I want.
After setting it up, however, I notice something I don't understand.

Here is the info from my settings/storage screen:


Internal Storage:
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Apps:
calculating...

Available:
1.12GB

Phone Storage:
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Available:
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Storage Card:
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Available:
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My storage card is a 32GB, but it looks like not much is being used.

Any idea what is going on or what I can adjust to fix this issue?

This probably has nothing to due with newsrob, that's just what alerted me to a possible problem.


I also just realized that I cannot perform a screen capture, I just get a triangle/exclamation point thing.

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It says you have 27.53 GB available on your SD card. The phone storage is what your phone has built in, storage card is your SD card.

If you want to store more of your apps on the SD card go into Settings > Apps then select each app you want to move to the SD card
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It says you have 27.53 GB available on your SD card. The phone storage is what your phone has built in, storage card is your SD card.

If you want to store more of your apps on the SD card go into Settings > Apps then select each app you want to move to the SD card
Here's the thing, does the partition actually allow people to move apps to the SD card? I could've sworn that it was mentioned elsewhere that the partition only allows apps to be moved onto the internal storage area for media, when moving to the "sd card," which is exactly how it is on the Photon.

If this has been resolved and someone has figured out a way to trick the phone into moving everything to the external SD, please post a link so I can read into it.
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Here's the thing, does the partition actually allow people to move apps to the SD card? I could've sworn that it was mentioned elsewhere that the partition only allows apps to be moved onto the internal storage area for media, when moving to the "sd card," which is exactly how it is on the Photon.

If this has been resolved and someone has figured out a way to trick the phone into moving everything to the external SD, please post a link so I can read into it.
It's a root trick, swapping the internal and external mount points for the sd cards.
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This morning when I got up, there was a message from newsrob that it has run out of space to store articles.
Is there any way to get my apps like this to use the SD card for storage?
I have tried changing settings in newsrob. (local cache/storage provider/ local or SD card, neither changes anything)
I don't want to pick on newsrob, it is just easy to see my issue with this program since it wants to store so much information.

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It's a root trick, swapping the internal and external mount points for the sd cards.
Nice. Only for ltevo or all phones. You know me, EM. I've been delaying joining the root train, until my next upgrade, so the photon will be my test device...lol
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Nice. Only for ltevo or all phones. You know me, EM. I've been delaying joining the root train, until my next upgrade, so the photon will be my test device...lol
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This morning when I got up, there was a message from newsrob that it has run out of space to store articles.
Is there any way to get my apps like this to use the SD card for storage?
I have tried changing settings in newsrob. (local cache/storage provider/ local or SD card, neither changes anything)
I don't want to pick on newsrob, it is just easy to see my issue with this program since it wants to store so much information.

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Defective app. Drop the dev a line, ask him to fix it so that data goes to sd card.
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I just noticed that pretty much every app I've downloaded is installed on my SD card. I guess this is the default setting, but is there a way to have apps install to the phone's memory by default instead?

Or do apps run just as fast from the SD card as from the phone itself?

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you can set it to store into storage if you want. it should always default to storage--me things you changed the storage locations, which is a good thing!

keep it on the card, recommended.
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you can set it to store into storage if you want. it should always default to storage--me things you changed the storage locations, which is a good thing!

keep it on the card, recommended.
I've changed the storage location for several things, like camera shots and such, but I don't recall changing app location. Where can I find it to change it back?

Or, why is it better on the card?
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for me, im old school from the PALM days, where you had to share memory and storage, and some of those habits just carry over. i prefer to keep the phones environment with as much internal memory as possible. I have a 64GB card which is more memory than internally.

that said i dont think all apps can be moved to external card, and are you sure you are not referring to the phone's internal memory, rather than ext_sd memory?
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Again, phone storage is 16 GB.

It's broken down as follows -



The physical sd card access at /sdcard/ext_sd is a shortcut.

(So is /sdcard as matter of fact. When you put in a physical card, it doesn't change the directory name or re-copy anything, it just changes shortcuts from what you are used to.)

The actual storage story gets more complex from there and is only of value to devs and unix users familiar with FUSE.

Try EStrongs File Explorer, menu, preferences and set the home directory to / if you want to explore things.

App2sd still moves to /sdcard - but that isn't the physical, EXTernal SD card, ext_sd is.

The more the term "phone storage" is abused, the harder it's going to be to keep it all straight. Maybe try thinking of it as "user storage" instead.

Your sd card shortcut is named ext_sd.

Until there's a root solution to overcome the ICS filesystem layout on the phone with that getting renamed to /sdcard - or until someone invents an apps2sd that lets ICS see apps on /ext_sd instead, there won't be any way to move apps to the physical sd card. Calling /sdcard "phone storage" and insisting that an sd card is THE sd card won't change it. Sorry.

While we're at it - apps2sd became the craze on phones that had less than a quarter of the app storage space that this phone has.

Before sweating the importance of this, maybe make sure that it still matters.
Does this mean that moving apps to the SD card is really just moving it to a separate section of storage on the phone itself, and not the external sd card?
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for me, im old school from the PALM days, where you had to share memory and storage, and some of those habits just carry over. i prefer to keep the phones environment with as much internal memory as possible. I have a 64GB card which is more memory than internally.

that said i dont think all apps can be moved to external card, and are you sure you are not referring to the phone's internal memory, rather than ext_sd memory?
Yeah, I think I may have made a mistake. What I was looking at may have been phone storage all along.
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Does this mean that moving apps to the SD card is really just moving it to a separate section of storage on the phone itself, and not the external sd card?
Yes, unless you root the LTEvo. Usually, the internal storage is partitioned for app storage / system storage (not accessible, unless rooted) / whatever else users want to place on the storage.
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