Normally, I trust gsmarena, but this time, they're wrong.
Thanks.... I saw another website that said lte 800/1900 but I can't find it. Why wouldn't they put the 800 MHz ability? What's the advantage of the 1900 MHz spectrum? I already know the disadvantage.
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Sprint is rolling out tower upgrades that they call Network Vision.
This includes 1900 MHz and a takeover of the old iDEN 800 MHz bands.
They have said explicitly that 1900 MHz is for LTE and both are for Network Vision, leading many blogs to insist that LTE will happen also on 800 MHz. But, I have yet to find a Sprint statement backing that up.
The advantage of 1900 MHz is potentially higher speeds. If you can get regular 3G coverage (already at 1900 MHz) then expect good service from LTE in that same frequency range.
Sprint said that the 800 MHz addition added coverage range for Network Vision, but if you read carefully, that could mean 3G (and likely does).
Most every website and blog you'll hit will insist that 800 MHz LTE is an upcoming reality for Sprint. Best to remember that they all quote one another with little fact checking.
That all said, specifications subject to change and our mileage may vary.
But right now, despite many blogs saying 800 MHz LTE, Sprint hasn't said that, and new Spirit phones are not spec'd for it.
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thats the way i always understood it... 800 was being cleared out for additional CDMA so people would have much more reliable "basic" data connection. although in 5 years they could clear out the 800 again for LTE but i think RIGHT NOW it is simply being cleared out for CDMA
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EarlyMon.....I will look it up as well, but If I'm not mistaken Sprint said with their "Network Vision" they'll have the 3G speed's up to their current 4G (Wimax 2500 band) speed! I.e. In my area I average about 4 down, and with their network vision they will get the 3G speeds to average 3-5 down! If this can really happen, how so!? Is this just how Att and T-mobile are doing the HSPA+?
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we used to discuss about how Wimax and LTE was different... and the advantages of each.
remember how wimax was more open in use.
while LTE gave the carriers more control of the type of data you get, and potential charge for different types of data (VOIP vs websites vs media streaming).
i was hoping for wimax to get better.. but it does suck in performance. (sprint / clearwire implementation just sucks).
so now we are moving to LTE.
and sprint has said data will be unlimited.. for now.
but using the data throttling as an example how they get around the "unlimited' feature (AT&T)...
sprint can use LTE to ..
1. Throttle us from the big speeds (20+ MBs) to current 3G speeds (.5 MBs) because they can say that is what we are used too... after reaching some some top limit (maybe 4GB /month).
2. use LTE to separate types of data. Unlimited on most websites, but charge extra for music, video streaming and certain websites (hulu, netflix, etc...)
i feel this is just around the corner .. Sprint is a corporation out to make profit.. and they will follow the other carriers.
we used to discuss about how Wimax and LTE was different... and the advantages of each.
remember how wimax was more open in use.
while LTE gave the carriers more control of the type of data you get, and potential charge for different types of data (VOIP vs websites vs media streaming).
i was hoping for wimax to get better.. but it does suck in performance. (sprint / clearwire implementation just sucks).
so now we are moving to LTE.
and sprint has said data will be unlimited.. for now.
but using the data throttling as an example how they get around the "unlimited' feature (AT&T)...
sprint can use LTE to ..
1. Throttle us from the big speeds (20+ MBs) to current 3G speeds (.5 MBs) because they can say that is what we are used too... after reaching some some top limit (maybe 4GB /month).
2. use LTE to separate types of data. Unlimited on most websites, but charge extra for music, video streaming and certain websites (hulu, netflix, etc...)
i feel this is just around the corner .. Sprint is a corporation out to make profit.. and they will follow the other carriers.
But it won't happen for awhile. Sprint financially is in trouble they need more users. And then people can still go to T-Mobile for capped data speeds for 30 dollars less
But it won't happen for awhile. Sprint financially is in trouble they need more users. And then people can still go to T-Mobile for capped data speeds for 30 dollars less
what is a while?
i can see it happening within 4 yrs.
just think of all the changes and lost of benefits within the last 2yrs.
EarlyMon.....I will look it up as well, but If I'm not mistaken Sprint said with their "Network Vision" they'll have the 3G speed's up to their current 4G (Wimax 2500 band) speed! I.e. In my area I average about 4 down, and with their network vision they will get the 3G speeds to average 3-5 down! If this can really happen, how so!? Is this just how Att and T-mobile are doing the HSPA+?
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Not going to happen. I think cdma tops out at around 3.1
If they go to EVDO rev B, it tops a bit higher.
Per wrongepedia (who I think is right on this on this one) -
MODS please delete or move, if needed....This guy say's he testing the LTE speeds on Sprint network (I don't like saying 4G, as it get redundant) and also 3G speeds being increased around 7down......
I've not forgotten my promise to provide some forum/thread structure here - that's going to happen soon, so meanwhile, just post where you think it best fits the discussion at hand.
And 7 Mbps down on 3G is quite possible, per my previous post.
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MODS please delete or move, if needed....This guy say's he testing the LTE speeds on Sprint network (I don't like saying 4G, as it get redundant) and also 3G speeds being increased around 7down......
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The concern with LTE at 800mhz is, as previously mentioned in this thread, the lower the frequency the less data that can bee sent in the same amount of time, but over a greater range.
And for those thinking multi channel cdma is a good idea, go post a thread on these forums about "battery life with 3 or 4 3g modems on a single phone" and see how many people would be interested in that device... Imagine a cell phone with a 25,000mAh battery that gets 4-5 hours of use before needing recharging (made up numbers, but you get the point), not to mention it would have to be 3"-4" thick just to hold the battery.
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Also I read that the antenna is built on the chip and the chip can read lte 800 MHz but is locked out can't it be unlocked down the road to read this spectrum
If that is true, then possibly. Do you have the source of that info?
Also I read that the antenna is built on the chip and the chip can read lte 800 MHz but is locked out can't it be unlocked down the road to read this spectrum
By chip, do you mean the main processor? That has all of the various modems built in, including for those for LTE. None of those are locked.
The modem section connects to radio chips. The LTE radio in the LTEvo is 1900 MHz.
The antennas are attached to the inside of the top plastic cover. Here's how they look for the One X. It will be similar on the LTEvo.
The phone radios aren't built into the main processor, antennas aren't built into chips, and the only LTE frequency spec'd by HTC and certified for use by the FCC is 1900 MHz.
Hope this clarifies!
PS - the FCC has yet to approve any 800 MHz LTE transmissions for Sprint towers.
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both...LOL...Isn't that the whole point, that eventually all the phones on the network will connect to both 1900 and 800mhz?
Exactly. CDMA will connect to both. LTE will connect at 1900 MHz.
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S4gru says that they will have an upcoming article on 800 MHz LTE updates very soon, and that everything will be in place at the towers so that upgrading there will be plug and play simple, taking a tech only a few hours per site to perform the upgrade. Plus, hinting at 2013.
And there's speculation that the LTEvo could be re-certified by the FCC.
A schematic or proper teardown would end the speculation about the LTEvo's capabilities. But so far, all HTC has claimed for the phone is 1900 MHz LTE.
Does the antennae being partially on the inside of the cover mean the One X (and the LTEvo) will turn themselves off if you pop the back cover off, much like the Windows Phone Titan II? Not that I have much reason to remove the back on a phone that's powered on, just curious.
I predict it will likely only be halfway through if not almost all the way through the lifespan of the phone before the 800 Mhz comes live and the lack of an 800 Mhz LTE radio becomes a liability for the phone.
Sprint will deploy LTE on its 800MHz network by 2014, according to Bob Azzi, senior vice president of networks. In a briefing at the carrier's corporate headquarters in Kansas Azzi told reporters that the move is yet to be approved by the FCC, but the process has already begun and should proceed smoothly.
To follow up, as predicted, the LTE 800 Mhz network will come online two years -- two years from the launch of the HTC Evo 4G LTE, so people will be freed up for a new upgrade by that time -- presumably for a new HTC Evo 4G LTE 2MAXETREME, now with 800 Mhz antennas!!!11111!1!.
edit: EarlyMon beat me to the punch by 4 minutes. The Earlymon catches the worm. Sigh.
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To follow up, as predicted, the LTE 800 Mhz network will come online two years -- two years from the launch of the HTC Evo 4G LTE, so people will be freed up for a new upgrade by that time -- presumably for a new HTC Evo 4G LTE 2MAXETREME, now with 800 Mhz antennas!!!11111!1!.
edit: EarlyMon beat me to the punch by 4 minutes. The Earlymon catches the worm. Sigh.
That's awesome! By that time the Evo MegaTron will be out, destroying all!
Does the antennae being partially on the inside of the cover mean the One X (and the LTEvo) will turn themselves off if you pop the back cover off, much like the Windows Phone Titan II? Not that I have much reason to remove the back on a phone that's powered on, just curious.
If it doesn't, then it's going to be important to do it yourself before opening that cover, in my opinion.
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MODS please delete or move, if needed....This guy say's he testing the LTE speeds on Sprint network (I don't like saying 4G, as it get redundant) and also 3G speeds being increased around 7down......
OK, so I asked the celluar network experts about this over at s4gru.com and guess what - while EV-DO Rev. B does support those 3G speeds, both videos are faked. (I'm therefore going to tag both copies of that post.)
Turns out that there was no such equipment in the location indicated at the time of these tubes, and further - they're not planning to go with EV-DO Rev B 3G, it's going to be all in for LTE for data, and 1x Advanced on CDMA to improve voice capacity and area coverage.
The good news for 3G users, tho, is that the backbone is going to be upgraded as part of Network Vision, and the bottlenecks down to 150 kbps that people see ought to go away, with the expectation of 1 to 2 Mbps for all 3G users.
Hope this helps!
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Most common radios in use on current sprint phones...
1x/EVDO at 850 cellular frequencies... supports roaming on verizon towers (ongoing support thru at least 2016)
1x/CDMA at 1900 PCS frequencies... primary sprint tower frequencies, ongoing
Wimax at 2500 frequencies... only present in 4g wimax phones (support thru 2015)
1st round of network vision
-1x-advanced will be added in the 800 mhz SMR spectrum (they couldn't deploy LTE here because LTE requires a minimum of 10mhz). 1x advanced gives sprint more connections per tower and provides support for HD voice (the network and the phone must support it... a la the Evo LTE).
-LTE will be rolled out in a 10mhz (5x5) block of the 1900 G-block spectrum AKA band 26. They have pretty much nationwide coverage in this spectrum (which IMO means it is and will continue to be the primary frequency for LTE long-term for sprint). Coverage/penetration should be similar to todays 1x/evdo but should have a bigger foorprint.
Network vision, later on...
-The next round of rollouts is expected to be LTE in a 10 Mhz (5x5) block of the SMR band. This will happen as frequencies are freed up as a result of moving Push-to-talk customers onto CDMA and off of iden. No phones today will support this because it requires channel aggregation technology that's not yet available.
A lot of people really seem to be worried about the 800mhz LTE but it seems like an odd thing to be worried about IMO. 1900 LTE is where it's at. 800 LTE will just be a little icing on the cake... of course that's just my opinion.
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In addition to the benefits you cite for 800 MHz ESMR, the lower frequency provides longer range.
The expectation for 800 MHz LTE has the same expectation of greater range, at a likely sacrifice of data speeds. Depends on how things are laid out.
Translation, 800 MHz LTE will provide greater coverage.
Sprint's paperwork is before the FCC for 800 MHz LTE, reports say roll out begins in 2014.
S4gru.com predicts that it will start in 2013, and that Sprint will complete Network Vision along with full LTE coverage before Verizon completes theirs.
When complete, if the plan is successful and the FCC doesn’t hold back, Sprint will have the capacity to handle as many subscribers as ATT or Verizon, with equal or greater coverage, and superior services across the board.
Very interesting, yes? I guess we'll see as we go along.
It's up to the Sprint board and management to stay the course. I have no clue what might happen if people continue to call for Hesse's head for incompetence. This seems like a good plan to me.
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I agree with what apinkel and EarlyMon have said here completely. However I do think that once that ESMR/800mhz LTE is added a year or so down the road it will be quite a difference, as the coverage and in-building penetration that 800mhz provides is nice.
In addition, EM stated that Sprint will not deploy EVDO rev. b and will be upgrading to 1x-Advanced and LTE, which is 100% correct.. However, in regards to the EVDO rev. a that they have.. they will be upgrading this to DO-Advanced. So even though we wont get the speed benefits that rev b provides, we will get much more efficient use of of the EVDO rev a.
One more thing, s4gru has confirmed on several occasions, that the new equipment setup Sprint is installing at all the towers will improve signals strength by approx. 20%.. even with the 1900mhz sectrum.
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Yes, that is absolutely true about the 800mhz coverage. I live in the midwest so I'm really happy to see that spectrum on the to-do list, especially for rural coverage where it means they can serve a large area with fewer towers.
I do think there are a lot of folks who seem to be somehow disgruntled about the 1900 LTE rollout because it's not 800mhz. I guess because I've had very good coverage with sprint's current 1x/evdo on 1900 today and since LTE will rollout in roughly the same spectrum range on the same towers I don't really have a great concern about that issue. I hope I'm not proven wrong with that assumption.
I hadn't heard that about DO-advanced. Thanks for the info.
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In addition to the benefits you cite for 800 MHz ESMR, the lower frequency provides longer range.
The expectation for 800 MHz LTE has the same expectation of greater range, at a likely sacrifice of data speeds. Depends on how things are laid out.
Translation, 800 MHz LTE will provide greater coverage.
Sprint's paperwork is before the FCC for 800 MHz LTE, reports say roll out begins in 2014.
S4gru.com predicts that it will start in 2013, and that Sprint will complete Network Vision along with full LTE coverage before Verizon completes theirs.
When complete, if the plan is successful and the FCC doesn’t hold back, Sprint will have the capacity to handle as many subscribers as ATT or Verizon, with equal or greater coverage, and superior services across the board.
Very interesting, yes? I guess we'll see as we go along.
It's up to the Sprint board and management to stay the course. I have no clue what might happen if people continue to call for Hesse's head for incompetence. This seems like a good plan to me.
Either way, with the 2.5ghz/1.9ghz and now 800mhz it's going to be a pure powerhouse of speed and coverage. 1.9ghz should be good enough for most modern buildings, 2.5ghz for everyone outside, and 800mhz for that extra arms reach.
Could be wrong, have to go back and check, but I think that 2.5 GHz is going to be used for infrastructure. I read that when it's all tied together, they might hit LTE Advanced, not sure about that though.
WiMax supported through 2015, for what it's worth.
I wonder why they never planned on WiMax 2 instead? I am guessing that it had as much to do with marketing and mindshare as much as technology.
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Either way, with the 2.5ghz/1.9ghz and now 800mhz it's going to be a pure powerhouse of speed and coverage. 1.9ghz should be good enough for most modern buildings, 2.5ghz for everyone outside, and 800mhz for that extra arms reach.
That's my take on it as well... and while I don't think verizon has much reason to be scared I don't think the same can be said for AT&T.
If higher freq means faster data speeds, then it seems that Sprint wants to top Verizon's claim of "fastest 4G network in America". After all, Verizon LTE is what, 750mhz? AT&T as well, if I remember right. You can bet Sprint will market the hell out of the speed of their 4G compared to others.
Personally, I get full bars for 3G at home, work, and most places that I go, so from what I've read in the thread, I'll get a good LTE signal. So I'm happy with the 1900 over 800 if it means more speed.
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If higher freq means faster data speeds, then it seems that Sprint wants to top Verizon's claim of "fastest 4G network in America". After all, Verizon LTE is what, 750mhz? AT&T as well, if I remember right. You can bet Sprint will market the hell out of the speed of their 4G compared to others.
Personally, I get full bars for 3G at home, work, and most places that I go, so from what I've read in the thread, I'll get a good LTE signal. So I'm happy with the 1900 over 800 if it means more speed.
Also keep in mind it has a lot to do with back haul and cell placement. Sprint's backhaul is certainly no slouch, but Verizon is a beast in that regard.
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A-hem, base on all the info accumulated...when Sprint's LTE finally comes alive, which carrier would you say - will have the better and faster LTE? Sprint or Verizon? Just curious.
PS - Sprint's backhaul is getting completely updated and modernized. For many areas, replaced is a better term than updated.
So, EM, in your opinion, if it leads to an influx of people moving over to Sprint, do the speeds go down when/if that happens? Basically, will the network suffer with an abundance of "new activations" come on board? Or is the "replacement" network supposed to prevent from that happening?
So, EM, in your opinion, if it leads to an influx of people moving over to Sprint, do the speeds go down when/if that happens? Basically, will the network suffer with an abundance of "new activations" come on board? Or is the "replacement" network supposed to prevent from that happening?
The new network, when complete, will be able to handle either all of ATT or Verizon subscribers without additional changes or anticipated slowdowns.
Should such a day come, Sprint revenues ought to be sufficient to take the next level of service updates, whatever that technology might be.
Key phrase to this - when the network is complete.
The current plan is to complete before Verizon finishes their LTE buid out.
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There are already people with the Nexus getting LTE in some locations and unless Sprint is going to do a LOT of speed enhancements from now until it goes "live" it's most definitely not going to be faster than Verizons. Average i've seen was 10-14 megs down, and thats with no one but those few Nexus users on the network.
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There are already people with the Nexus getting LTE in some locations and unless Sprint is going to do a LOT of speed enhancements from now until it goes "live" it's most definitely not going to be faster than Verizons. Average i've seen was 10-14 megs down, and thats with no one but those few Nexus users on the network.
As I said, when the network is complete.
Not when the blogosphere and some forums declare that it's live.
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