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Old June 2nd, 2012, 11:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So let me get this straight... The beats audio Is only in play when using headphones? bc that's the only time the logo appears.... I had an argument with an iphone4s user about this today at work and I'd like to be more educated.. He argues there is no way the phone can enhance the sound of regular headphones and that the beats audio must be a gimmick.... Anyone who can shed some light is more than welcome

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I work for a major satalitte company it is possible for a device to increase the sound of what's connected to it for example if you have a cable box connected to a crappy tv the box will try to compensate for that loss same. With the phone and let him know the phone does have a speaker that. Is also made by dre beats as far as I know so it will help to compensate for crappy headphones.
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I work for a major satalitte company it is possible for a device to increase the sound of what's connected to it for example if you have a cable box connected to a crappy tv the box will try to compensate for that loss same. With the phone and let him know the phone does have a speaker that. Is also made by dre beats as far as I know so it will help to compensate for crappy headphones.
There isn't any hardware in the phone that is beats. It is all software, similar to an equalizer and works just the same.
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There isn't any hardware in the phone that is beats. It is all software, similar to an equalizer and works just the same.
So the actual speaker.. The hardware... Has nothing to do with beats?
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A equalizer is hardware thou and I do see what mean I still feel that they included monster hardware thou
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So the actual speaker.. The hardware... Has nothing to do with beats?
No, if it did "beats" would be working all the time and not just when headphones are in. The same way that you can change how songs sound when using an equalizer is what beats does. They just market it as "Beats audio sound" they pump up the bass
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A equalizer is hardware thou and I do see what mean I still feel that they included monster hardware thou
How is an equalizer hardware? it's software that changes how the sounds comes out.

I currently don't have an equalizer on my phone, but I can download an app with one, how is that hardware?

Also, I can put "beats audio" on my Epic Touch as well.
http://lifehacker.com/5889825/get-beats-audio-on-any-rooted-android-phone
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So let me get this straight... The beats audio Is only in play when using headphones? bc that's the only time the logo appears.... I had an argument with an iphone4s user about this today at work and I'd like to be more educated.. He argues there is no way the phone can enhance the sound of regular headphones and that the beats audio must be a gimmick.... Anyone who can shed some light is more than welcome
The logo pops up when I use Pandora, YouTube, or anything else that makes sounds with my headphones plugged in.
The way I understood it was that the beats audio on the phone was software and the beats headphones played the hardware side of it all. The sounds or listening experience was supposed to be "better" with the beats audio headphones. Personally, I have yet to find better head phones than my Bose, but I have never tried the beats ones either so there ya go.
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No, if it did "beats" would be working all the time and not just when headphones are in. The same way that you can change how songs sound when using an equalizer is what beats does. They just market it as "Beats audio sound" they pump up the bass
Hmm kind of disappointed.. They also marketed it like the beats experience would be all around.. Whether using headphones or not.. Granted... The speaker is definetly louder... I was just under the impression the actual speaker itself was monster/beats....
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Beats Audio is an EQ curve that is applied to the sound output of the headphone jack and the BT connection, so if you have BT headphones, the phone and software recognize this and activates the SOFTWARE EQ curve in built into the OS.

you can turn this EQ curve off or add another "sound enhancement" curve in the music player on the device.

Beats Audio is registered with Dr. Dre and affiliated companies and Dr. Dre has also licensed a line of headphones that are designed to use the Beats Audio sound curve to further produce a more richer sound experience.

the speaker on the device does not have the capacity to play any frequencies that the Beats Audio sound enhancement will affect, hence why the physical speaker on the device is not able to take advantage of the EQ setting of Beats Audio.

the marketing is not deceptive from what I have seen and many of the ads have the "*" next to this and in fine print tells you how to experience it. I do also believe the manual speaks about Beats Audio and how you can get use out of it.

and to add, there are PHYSICAL EQ boxes. they were big staples in home audio back in the 80s and phased out into the late 90s. they were changed into "software curves" on equipment (POP, ROCK, JAZZ, etc etc and so forth).

hope I was able to shed some light on this.
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My old man still has a physical eq connected to his turntable and reel to reel music rig, pretty sweet setup. I used to listen to all kinds of sweet classic rock on his vinyl, and reel to reel tapes.
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Why is it that no EQ in the market wont work with this phone? Side note Beats Audio sucks a big fat one! Is it me or was this phone released with nothing ready for it. Phone is awesome but wtf sprint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Does DSP manager work?

I'm no audiophile, so I don't personally know
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Try Music Volume EQ in the Play Store. It's a free app and it's pretty good. Also try an app simply called Equalizer, that's pretty decent to.
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Why is it that no EQ in the market wont work with this phone? Side note Beats Audio sucks a big fat one! Is it me or was this phone released with nothing ready for it. Phone is awesome but wtf sprint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not an audiophile.

Agreed Beats is not that great.

Beats is my 2nd/3rd choice.
I usually just use the predefined "Dance" since it delivers the amount of bass and treble I'm looking for.
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I enjoy the beats enhancement. But then again I listen to "dre" kinda music.
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Like others have said I see the Beats audio icon pop up when I run other apps like Pandora, Youtube, Netflix, and Tune-In Radio. It also pops up when I connect to my Monster iClarityHD bluetooth speaker when playing music off my SD card. Really doesn't do a whole lot to enhance the sound though.

I usually use the Music Volume EQ app found in the Play Store in conjunction with the "Sweetness" EQ setting in the Sound Enhancement settings on the stock music player app. Seems to work pretty well. Also the Mixzing audio player app has a nice EQ band you can adjust as well.

I read somewhere that the Beats setting seems to work mostly with Beats branded earbuds/cans. IMO it seems like just a marketing ploy to get you to buy those crappy, overpriced headphones.
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I enjoy the beats enhancement. But then again I listen to "dre" kinda music.
Yep, I'm one of those dorks that actually buys Dre instrumentals.

I use Mixzing as well.
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Let me explain. When I plug my EVO 4g LTE into my Tahoe to listen to my large catalog of music. The stock music player on the phone does not work with any eq app in the market. The music is not anywhere near as loud as the og EVO. Adjusting the eq does not change the sound at all. I'm sure it will be fixed down the road. Well I hope.

Side note. Kinda confused why my post was put here. I don't have a question about audio beats, it sucks and that is end of story. I want to know why no eq app in the store,, won't work with the stock music player on the phone.
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I don't really care for the beats eq. It just boosts low and high ends a bit. Right now I'm experimenting with Power Amp, but not sure I like it. Everytime i plug in my headphones it turns on my music even if i'm trying to listen to something else. i think the beats makes the music muddier. I'm still trying to figure out what DAC (digital to analog converter) the Ltevo has. It seems nobody knows. The Samsungs have a wolfson DAC which is highly praised by audiophiles. I have some nice earphones which sound pretty good on the Ltevo though.
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I don't really care for the beats eq. It just boosts low and high ends a bit. Right now I'm experimenting with Power Amp, but not sure I like it. Everytime i plug in my headphones it turns on my music even if i'm trying to listen to something else. i think the beats makes the music muddier. I'm still trying to figure out what DAC (digital to analog converter) the Ltevo has. It seems nobody knows. The Samsungs have a wolfson DAC which is highly praised by audiophiles. I have some nice earphones which sound pretty good on the Ltevo though.


Well that's the biggest complaint from audiophiles about Beats headphones. It makes the music muddier. I listen to mostly alternative, classic rock and experimental electronic music and Beats just don't cut it IMO. Rap and pop music fans are the crowd that Beats are targetting.
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Maybe a dumb question...but...

To use the Beats Audio, do you have to use headphones or can you connect the the phone to external speakers and get the same "Beats Experience" ?
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You can do Bluetooth connections and still get beats I believe.

Anything through the headphone jack should also work.

I think my origaudio external speaker works, but I doubt it would help it.
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I'll be honest I really wish the "beats experience" played through the speaker... Looking back I feel pretty silly now.... I really thought when they advertised authentic sound it would be a hardware/software combination
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I don't really care for the beats eq. It just boosts low and high ends a bit. Right now I'm experimenting with Power Amp, but not sure I like it. Everytime i plug in my headphones it turns on my music even if i'm trying to listen to something else. i think the beats makes the music muddier. I'm still trying to figure out what DAC (digital to analog converter) the Ltevo has. It seems nobody knows. The Samsungs have a wolfson DAC which is highly praised by audiophiles. I have some nice earphones which sound pretty good on the Ltevo though.
I thought only the international version of the S3 had the Wolfson, while the US version has the exact same one as the EVO, the one built in to the chipset both phones have. I've seen too many speculative and conflicting reports to be sure on that though.

You can turn off autoplay in PowerAmp (I hate it as well). Menu -> Settings -> Headset, uncheck Resume on Headset Connect.
Another issue I had with PowerAmp was some flakiness with volume control and distortion when getting a notification while playing music. If you have that issue too, go to Menu -> Settings -> Audio -> Advanced and uncheck Direct Volume Control. You'll have to turn the Gain up after doing this to get back to normal volume.

As far as Beats itself goes, it's not too bad IMO. Kinda reminds me of the old school "loudness" button. It works well for some genres of music, not so well for others.
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Maybe a dumb question...but...

To use the Beats Audio, do you have to use headphones or can you connect the the phone to external speakers and get the same "Beats Experience" ?

I have gotten the "beats experience" from my wired ear buds, bluetooth Motorola S9 HD headset (for both ears), and my PC speakers (with a subwoofer).

Beats does kick in and can make a difference. But I personally don't like it. It's personal preference since it only seems to effect the equalizer.
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In the old days, we had "beats" on almost every audio receiver sold. It was called the loudness button and was avoided like the plague by any serious music listener. What goes around comes around....and costs more the second time!
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I thought only the international version of the S3 had the Wolfson, while the US version has the exact same one as the EVO, the one built in to the chipset both phones have. I've seen too many speculative and conflicting reports to be sure on that though.

You can turn off autoplay in PowerAmp (I hate it as well). Menu -> Settings -> Headset, uncheck Resume on Headset Connect.
Another issue I had with PowerAmp was some flakiness with volume control and distortion when getting a notification while playing music. If you have that issue too, go to Menu -> Settings -> Audio -> Advanced and uncheck Direct Volume Control. You'll have to turn the Gain up after doing this to get back to normal volume.

As far as Beats itself goes, it's not too bad IMO. Kinda reminds me of the old school "loudness" button. It works well for some genres of music, not so well for others.
I could be wrong about the Wolfson.

It is like the Loudness button.

And thank for the info on shutting down autoplay.
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I eq mine because I don't tend to use my better cans in favor of cheaper earbuds that I don't mind getting lost or having coffee accidents - those definitely benefit from just about any eq. I don't think Beats sucks as much as it just is what it is - I agree that it seems to have that charactistic loudness eq, but I could almost swear that it also adds a very slight reverb as well.

Anyway, if you're rooted, go for DSP Manager (see our root sticky), and if using that or any other enhancement, turn off enhancements in the system sound settings so you don't have the two butting heads.

Equalization can be used to give favorable colorations to the music or to help remove colorations suffered by the end-to-end hardward (dsp, op-amp, headphones/speakers). I don't think that there's a wrong way about it, although I tend to prefer and promote the latter.
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I just did a quick test with the LTE vs my Cowon D3. I didn't think beats was even good until I found the sound enhancer menu where you can select the type of headphones. Once I selected UrBeats there was a major difference in the sound for the better, imo. I don't own any beats products, fyi.

It still wasn't as good as my dedicated pmp with any BBE effect applied, or without for that matter. However, using Beats seemed to be an improvement over the stock sound and my previous EVO phones, the 4G and 3D.
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I just did a quick test with the LTE vs my Cowon D3. I didn't think beats was even good until I found the sound enhancer menu where you can select the type of headphones. Once I selected UrBeats there was a major difference in the sound for the better, imo. I don't own any beats products, fyi.

It still wasn't as good as my dedicated pmp with any BBE effect applied, or without for that matter. However, using Beats seemed to be an improvement over the stock sound and my previous EVO phones, the 4G and 3D.
I concur with urBeats being the "better" of the settings; the default "other" doesn't make much difference. Overall I'm pleased with the audio. It sounds better than my wife's iPhone and my old Zune.
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Not for nothing...but we're talking about a phone, not a dedicated audio player, for starters. Unless you've got the downstream hardware (headphones or speakers) that are capable of accurately reproducing the recorded media, you wouldn't hear much difference anyway. AND...as far as the "media" being played...most of the time it's not any Vinyl or CD quality to begin with.

I've been using this phone with an external speaker (Goal Zero Rock Out), for the past few weeks while hanging out in the sun. I've thought it sounded pretty good, and always made sure that the beats audio was selected as the sound enhancement. After reading all of the above...I decided to finally pull out my Shure SCL5's (professional monitors) and check out the sound quality more closely. As everybody stated...the beats audio is just a setting. And to be honest...after comparing it to the other Sound Enhancement settings available on the Music Player...it's not even my top choice. There are very minuet differences between each...but I think I actually prefer the Sweetener, Live or Classical settings over the beats. But...it is a very good sounding enhancement. Many folks are going to be using an iPod as their default music player, so that's the only music quality they'll be comparing too. iPod's aren't the players that people make them out to be, unless it's the original type and it's been sent out to be modified for a couple of hundred bucks. I can say, that the sound quality coming out of the EVO LTE is as good as MP3 players I've heard (remember...it's a phone). Though I haven't compared it A/B to my older COWON D2 (I chose over an iPod)...which in reality is only as good sounding as the EQ settings I'm using.

I do consider myself a quasi audiophile and musician... = )
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I just did a quick test with the LTE vs my Cowon D3. I didn't think beats was even good until I found the sound enhancer menu where you can select the type of headphones. Once I selected UrBeats there was a major difference in the sound for the better, imo. I don't own any beats products, fyi.

It still wasn't as good as my dedicated pmp with any BBE effect applied, or without for that matter. However, using Beats seemed to be an improvement over the stock sound and my previous EVO phones, the 4G and 3D.

Where is the sound enhancer menu to select the headphone type?
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Where is the sound enhancer menu to select the headphone type?
Plug your headphones in. From the homescreen go Settings -> Sound -> Sound Enhancer. Upper left corner is a down arrow by "Sound Enhancer," tap that and you can choose between urBeats, Solo, and Other. Experiment and find what sounds best to you.

From within the stock music player, on the Now Playing screen, tap Menu -> Sound Enhancer to access the same settings.
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Beats Me: Why HTC's "Amazing Sound" On The International One X Isn't Amazing At All - Even By The Numbers

there seems to be a very bad audio chip used in the international version...
so there is a hardware variable to the equation.
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Just saw that jetAudio (what COWON uses) is available on the market, if anybody's looking for another non-root option.

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there seems to be a very bad audio chip used in the international version...
so there is a hardware variable to the equation.
The One S numbers, based on the S4, are reassuring and do go along with what my ears have been telling me.
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I thought when I was checking out the phone at the Sprint store there was actual software that could be opened and used for beats. But now that I own the phone you just have the choice in the drop down to turn it off and on. Am I wrong?
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I thought when I was checking out the phone at the Sprint store there was actual software that could be opened and used for beats. But now that I own the phone you just have the choice in the drop down to turn it off and on. Am I wrong?
You can go to settings>sound> sound enhancer to choose different headphone styles ( note that you can only access this with headphones plugged in) ... If that is what your talking about? Beats will only work when something is plugged into the headphone jack.. Like ext. Speakers, headphones etc. Once you have headphones plugged in you have the option in the drop down menu to turn it on/off. There is also an eq with the other typical choices. But that's about it for what I have found myself.... I am stock unrooted.. So these are the options stock. I'm sure with root you may be able to do a few more things. And also just maybe one day I won't be so scared and root my phone.
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also to add if you have bluetooth phones,speakers and/or connected to BT audio streaming, the BA icon will acknowledge the connection.
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I love the Beats audio. I use it in my vehicles for Bluetooth connections and I can't find anything that sounds better. My iPhone doesn't compare neither does poweramp.
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htc.. is dropping beats from future phones..

still a rumor right now:
Rumor: HTC May Drop Beats Integration On Handsets, To The Displeasure Of No One But Dr. Dre
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htc.. is dropping beats from future phones..

still a rumor right now:
Rumor: HTC May Drop Beats Integration On Handsets, To The Displeasure Of No One But Dr. Dre
Then there's this:

HTC: Beats Isn’t Going Anywhere
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Its just an equalizer, if they need the drop it to remain profitable I'd have no issues with that. I hardly use it as it is.
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i smell corporate-double-talk-stink.

saying one thing.. doing another.. because they dont want to negively affect their and/or partner's stock/image



i was one that was very excited that HTC and Beats wear doing something together. Hoping for a good music option that beats the iphone..or at least makes them even with ipods.

then they took out the Beats headphones... then i read the software was just an equalizer with better settings for the phone's audio chip/driver.

so, i lost hope for this partnership to bring something valuable/tangible to the users.. not just marketing smoke and mirrors
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I think you should try beats before you knock them. I have urbeats(made for android) and i can hear more bass and clarity then other headphones with beats enabled.
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