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Old June 26th, 2010, 01:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Had no clue how awesome a gyroscope in a phone was until I watched this...

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YouTube - iPhone 4 Gaming: Gun Range App Review (Gyroscope)




Do any HTC phones have a gyroscope?

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yeh, iphone 4 still beats us in this
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I don't play games on my phone so I don't care. Let me know when a useful app comes out that uses it beside kiddie games.
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that is bad @ss !
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I'd rather go to a real gun range, but neat, I guess.
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I'd rather go to a real gun range, but neat, I guess.
How about you can go to a real gun range AND have a gyroscope in your phone at the same time, MMmmmm mutually exclusive discussion.
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I'd like to see a comparison between using the Gyroscope and using just the Accelerometer + compass. Have you guys played Sniper vs Sniper? I believe it uses the Accelerometer and compass and lets you aim in the same way. Though it seems that the gyroscope is a lot more accurate and sensitive.
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Takes the moniker of "iToy" to a whole new level. I'll take a man's phone, thanks.

Silly iPhone, tricks are for kids.
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Takes the moniker of "iToy" to a whole new level. I'll take a man's phone, thanks.

Silly iPhone, tricks are for kids.
You say that like you wouldn't trade your evo4g for a gyroscope packing evo4g. I'm no Apple fan boy but I know when to give props when they are due and this is one really cool feature.

Still, this 4. 3 inch screen has taken my heart lol, I hope an android phone like the evo comes packing similar hardware
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How about you can go to a real gun range AND have a gyroscope in your phone at the same time, MMmmmm mutually exclusive discussion.
You should move on to iLounge, or break down and buy the Evo - if you ever had the intention to do so.
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Despite it being a "really cool feature", until it see's some real practical use or new functionality, that we don't already have, it's only a gimmick.
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Despite it being a "really cool feature", until it see's some real practical use or new functionality, that we don't already have, it's only a gimmick.
I'd call entertaining, more interactive gameplay a practical use for those that enjoy the game. Functionality? Gyroscope seems pretty functional to me. Did you mean function in a way that's useful and practical specifically for you?
I own zero Apple products and honestly did want the EVO a month ago. Heck, I even have accessories here (screen protector and case) that I might not end up using if I decide to go with something else.
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From your posts, it seems like an iPhone is what you really want/need. I have a 3GS for sale, but it doesn't have a gyroscope.
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From your posts, it seems like an iPhone is what you really want/need. I have a 3GS for sale, but it doesn't have a gyroscope.
Im really looking to purchase a current smart phone but thanks for the offer. I believe the 3GS would be a step down from, Droid X, EVO, and Galaxy S Pro.
iPhone 4 is appealing just cause of the overall polished package including the widely supported app store but a larger display really wins me over and Id rather have a larger screen than higher pixel density.
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I just really wish HTC would make a superior device (especially when it comes to build quality), and market it against the iPhone, market it directly, then offer it on multiple carriers.
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As a pilot I can see some practical use having flight software on your phone for emergency in case you get an electrical failure at night ... or a vaccuum/gyro failure during the day flying VFR or IFR ... I could see some real world business applications that could use the accuracy of having a gyro on board.. so don't discount the use of a Gyro... and the company that makes them said it charges less than $1 per axis.. so its not like they're expensive

it would just be nice if it was accompanied by an open source OS that has fewer restrictions in the market and on signed code... e.g. Android
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I think it's William Wallace. He said "It's all for nothing if you don't have freedom...or the ability to place a call"
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I'd call entertaining, more interactive gameplay a practical use for those that enjoy the game. Functionality? Gyroscope seems pretty functional to me. Did you mean function in a way that's useful and practical specifically for you?
I own zero Apple products and honestly did want the EVO a month ago. Heck, I even have accessories here (screen protector and case) that I might not end up using if I decide to go with something else.
ANY kind of practical use. Gaming is not a practical use. As a "serious" gamer(oxymoron?), I don't understand all the fuss about having great games on a cell phone with no buttons and limited control styles.
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As a pilot I can see some practical use having flight software on your phone for emergency in case you get an electrical failure at night ... or a vaccuum/gyro failure during the day flying VFR or IFR ... I could see some real world business applications that could use the accuracy of having a gyro on board.. so don't discount the use of a Gyro... and the company that makes them said it charges less than $1 per axis.. so its not like they're expensive

it would just be nice if it was accompanied by an open source OS that has fewer restrictions in the market and on signed code... e.g. Android
Any chance of any evo gyroscope add on accessory? Lol
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Yeah it's called an EVO motion plus LOL...

This is where you gotta give it to Apple though... After Nintendo put their Motion Plus addon out to the market, I wasn't a believer until I actually tried it... It really works...

IMO, if I'm not paying more for the gyro, I don't mind... It isn't something on my short list of what I need on a phone...
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I prefer gyrofleshlights
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LOL well alrighty then
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is it on sale?
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Maybe I missed something, how is this different from accelerometers?
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Just get yourself to a best buy and play Wii Resort... Then play Wii Sports...

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Maybe I missed something, how is this different from accelerometers?
accuracy... Accelerometer is basically something that detects G's in particular directions ie x y or z access, a gyroscope can sense rotation in any direction ... and respond accurate and fast due to the spinning rotor, and gimbal...

its a little more in depth than that but basically think of one of those machines that you attach both your arms and legs to and someone spins you... thats similar to a gyroscope setup except it has a spinning rotor inside of it.. and since its spinning so fast centrifugal force causes it sense any rotation and put out an error signal telling the OS what direction the rotation was...

here's a good article about the differences:

http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-gyroscope-and-accelerometer/
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iPhone has gyroscope but has too many dropped calls and crappy network. Goodluck being stuck on highway when car breaks down and you can't make phone calls. At least you can play games with gyroscope on the curb with glass phone. The glass phone can also be used as coaster for coffee.
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iPhone has gyroscope but has too many dropped calls and crappy network. Goodluck being stuck on highway when car breaks down and you can't make phone calls. At least you can play games with gyroscope on the curb with glass phone. The glass phone can also be used as coaster for coffee.
This could be true with any cell phone... The iPhone however would have more accurate gaming
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iPhone has gyroscope but has too many dropped calls and crappy network. Goodluck being stuck on highway when car breaks down and you can't make phone calls. At least you can play games with gyroscope on the curb with glass phone. The glass phone can also be used as coaster for coffee.
as long as the game doesn't require internet access
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as long as the game doesn't require internet access
Just tether it on your EVO duh...
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accuracy... Accelerometer is basically something that detects G's in particular directions ie x y or z access, a gyroscope can sense rotation in any direction ... and respond accurate and fast due to the spinning rotor, and gimbal...

its a little more in depth than that but basically think of one of those machines that you attach both your arms and legs to and someone spins you... thats similar to a gyroscope setup except it has a spinning rotor inside of it.. and since its spinning so fast centrifugal force causes it sense any rotation and put out an error signal telling the OS what direction the rotation was...

here's a good article about the differences:

Difference Between Gyroscope and Accelerometer | Difference Between | Gyroscope vs Accelerometer
I know what a gyroscope is, but how is it better than accelerometers?
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I know what a gyroscope is, but how is it better than accelerometers?
You can't explain it with words... Let's just say if you try to mimic someone like a mirror vs a mirror...

The mirror is the gyro, you're the accelerometer...
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I know what a gyroscope is, but how is it better than accelerometers?
read the post, accelerometer detects movement along an axis, gyroscope detects rotation.... seems pretty simple to me... picture that game in the video.. do you think movement along an access or rotation would be more accurate for aiming the gun?
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Takes the moniker of "iToy" to a whole new level. I'll take a man's phone, thanks.

Silly iPhone, tricks are for kids.
the gyroscope is a gimmick. give me 10 FPS games on the EVO and a sexy lag!
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read the post, accelerometer detects movement along an axis, gyroscope detects rotation.... seems pretty simple to me... picture that game in the video.. do you think movement along an access or rotation would be more accurate for aiming the gun?
I don't know, accelerometers operate in 3 axes which essentially cover the motion, rotational or otherwise.
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there is a big functional difference between accelormeters and gyroscopes.


The difference between gyroscope and accelerometer is that the former can sense rotation, the latter cannot.
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Just get a psp to play games. I'll keep my phone for calls messaging and internet thank you. Imo, a fail! If apple wants to 'compete' in gaming world then they need to make an igamer or something crappy to follow suit of their other products. Oh don't forget to hold it properly Lololol

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Just get a psp to play games. I'll keep my phone for calls messaging and internet thank you. Imo, a fail! If apple wants to 'compete' in gaming world then they need to make an igamer or something crappy to follow suit of their other products.
good point. while you're at it, get a dedicated calendar to manage your busy days. and don't take photos on your evo, that's so lololololoooooool. get a real camera!

and 30 FPS cap? well, who cares cause it only affects games!

65k display? hey... at least its 4.3" of a 65k display. i'm surprised the Droid, iPhone, Galaxy and EVERY other "smart" phone doesn't have a 65k display. they all show millions of colors. LOL at those screens!!
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I guess the iPhone needs something for the user to do instead of make calls.
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guys, if you keep saying, get "another device" to do all this stuff... why get a smartphone in the first place??

just save money, get a simple phone, and buy other gear.
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haha, as a former AT&T customer, i couldn't agree with you more. hence the reason to jump ship to anyone else.
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I understand the gyro when it was announced and don't understand it now. Eban after watching that video.

According to the posted link, which is referencing aircraft use, an accelerometer measures orientation to the Earth. While a Gyro measures orientation around it's own axis.

Seems like is comparing oranges and tangerines. They both get the job done, unless as in the article your in a free fall, combined with the compass and the right programming I'd bet the movement could be just as smooth.
I'll concede the Evo would never get that level of detail in the graphics.

Try Layar. The "map", although a wireframe, moves pretty fluid and is very sensitive when trying to isolate things near the same plane.
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I am still new to Android but I have played with a few applications already that I can move around like this. I am unsure what is so new here.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Default Re: Had no clue how badass a gyroscope in a phone was until I watched this...

Winds of steel demo mimics the same movements in a dog fight as this 'gyroscope'. Can you say, gimmick? Seriously, go download the demo and tell me its different than what this Icrap is trying to imitate.

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your post is a waste of time. so is my response to your post. so are all the "go get an iphone" "EVO FTW" and other junk posts. i was simply pointing out the flaw in his logic.

he said if he wanted to play games, he'd get a PSP. i mentioned the camera issue and everyone said, if you want to take pictures, go get a real camera.

why get a smartphone then?
I don't expect my Evo, or any of the smartphones I had before, to do a better job then dedicated devices. My DSLR will always take much much better pictures than any phone on the market ever will. A dedicated gaming console will always have a better game experience.

Smartphones were never about taking pictures and playing games, what's smart abour playing games?
It was always about being able to access information, like email and internet, and run different applications that are useful when you're out and about.
The only thing games on a phone are good for is draining battery.

Apple made it clear they see the iphone as a competitor in the mobile gaming arena. So they put emphasis on that (and completly ignored having decent reception so you can make calls while holding the phone in your hands...)
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Old June 27th, 2010, 01:18 AM   #47 (permalink)
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EVO seems pretty good at detecting what you are aiming at when using Google Sky...
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I have to say that was pretty badass. I'm not a big gamer but if I was I'd really want that.
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As a pilot I can see some practical use having flight software on your phone for emergency in case you get an electrical failure at night ... or a vaccuum/gyro failure during the day flying VFR or IFR ... I could see some real world business applications that could use the accuracy of having a gyro on board.. so don't discount the use of a Gyro... and the company that makes them said it charges less than $1 per axis.. so its not like they're expensive

it would just be nice if it was accompanied by an open source OS that has fewer restrictions in the market and on signed code... e.g. Android
Yes, that would be a good application for the gyroscope, but that's assuming your iPhone is calibrated to the planes attitude, pitch, yaw, roll. All of the planes instruments must be calibrated and if the iPhone cannot detect the attitude of the plane, then IFR would be useless. Using VFR, you can fly a plane with out the insruments. And also to perform Instrument only landing, you need the phone to receive radio signals from the ILS to land you in bad weather.
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