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Old April 28th, 2011, 07:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default We'll be saying goodbye to Evo for Thunderbolt

I really, really like the Evo! Would love to stay. Unfortunately, where I live, just found out, does not have 3G coverage and will NOT be getting 3G coverage and don't even think about 4G. So after 9 years with Sprint, I will be migrating to Verizon. And I really, really like the Evo!!

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Ok, what have you been usung for the last few years without coverage?
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Ok, what have you been usung for the last few years without coverage?
I was thinking the same thing.
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Ok, what have you been usung for the last few years without coverage?
i'm assuming he just moved somewhere new. my first impression with the thunderbolt was that it had weird over saturation of colors displayed. but i hear it's really fast.
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Ok, what have you been usung for the last few years without coverage?
Sprint claimed my area was 3G for data. Phone coverage was fine. Therefore, I got the Evo know that I'd never have 4G where I live but 3G was satisfactory. And since I was mostly in building with Wi-Fi, there wasn't any major issues. Until I was noticing issues in a building I started working in without wi-fi. Then, it became apparent no 3G or very slow 3G. After further investigation, it was determine where I am there is no 3G. Every tech person I spoke with Sprint said there was until they checked further. An lo and behold, no 3G. Anyway, that's why I'm switching, even knowing my bill will be higher.
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Sprint claimed my area was 3G for data. Phone coverage was fine. Therefore, I got the Evo know that I'd never have 4G where I live but 3G was satisfactory. And since I was mostly in building with Wi-Fi, there wasn't any major issues. Until I was noticing issues in a building I started working in without wi-fi. Then, it became apparent no 3G or very slow 3G. After further investigation, it was determine where I am there is no 3G. Every tech person I spoke with Sprint said there was until they checked further. An lo and behold, no 3G. Anyway, that's why I'm switching, even knowing my bill will be higher.

Lol, everyone knows 3G is super slow. Especially when coming from using Wifi a vast majority of the time. Sprint is ranked #4 out of all the carriers for their 3G speed. I have stayed in a bad "Sprint coverage" area for a month on a trip and my 3G was slow in Mississippi. Everyone uses Verizon in the area I was located but I had Wifi when I got back to the hotel land 3G still would allow me to use navigation driving around so it didn't matter to me.
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I don't know what I'd do if I didn't get at least decent data speeds with my Carrier. Evo is a great device but the wireless data you get from your carrier is ALWAYS first (to me anyway). So I hope you enjoy your thunderbolt!
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Lol, everyone knows 3G is super slow. Especially when coming from using Wifi a vast majority of the time. Sprint is ranked #4 out of all the carriers for their 3G speed. I have stayed in a bad "Sprint coverage" area for a month on a trip and my 3G was slow in Mississippi. Everyone uses Verizon in the area I was located but I had Wifi when I got back to the hotel land 3G still would allow me to use navigation driving around so it didn't matter to me.
Yeah. However, what I'm getting is 1X. Here is what Sprint is saying in my area for "3G". Nationwide Sprint Network Most data services work at a slower rate, except Location Based Services (Sprint Family Locator, Sprint Navigation and TeleNav) are not accessible.
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Lol, everyone knows 3G is super slow. Especially when coming from using Wifi a vast majority of the time. Sprint is ranked #4 out of all the carriers for their 3G speed. I have stayed in a bad "Sprint coverage" area for a month on a trip and my 3G was slow in Mississippi. Everyone uses Verizon in the area I was located but I had Wifi when I got back to the hotel land 3G still would allow me to use navigation driving around so it didn't matter to me.
I disagree, I think 3G is fast enough for most internet applications, maybe a few exceptions like HQ YouTube videos, downloading huge files, etc. Most other applications like Pandora, Navigation, browsing the internet, finding information are all fine with 3G speeds. I find that with this applications, there is little if any difference with wifi.

On the other hand, games like Pocket Legends would benefit from wifi's quicker latency times.

4G speeds is over hyped, most of the time you won't notice the difference and 4G draws a lot more juice from the batteries. I can honestly say that I use 4G less than 1% of the time. Go figure.

As for the OP, if he truly can't get decent 3G coverage where he's at, then I don't blame him switching carriers.

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I disagree, I think 3G is fast enough for most internet applications, maybe a few exceptions like HQ YouTube videos, downloading huge files, etc. Most other applications like Pandora, Navigation, browsing the internet, finding information are all fine with 3G speeds. I find that with this applications, there is little if any difference with wifi.

On the other hand, games like Pocket Legends would benefit from wifi's quicker latency times.

4G speeds is over hyped, most of the time you won't notice the difference and 4G draws a lot more juice from the batteries. I can honestly say that I use 4G less than 1% of the time. Go figure.

As for the OP, if he truly can't get decent 3G coverage where he's at, then I don't blame him switching carriers.

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There is a huge difference in speed between 3G and 4G. I don't know what they are doing with your 4G where you live or how many people you have on Sprint's 4G network but the speeds between 3G/4G are huge. I live in Abilene, TX and we have 4G. They have made some huge changes to the 4G network since I had to depart the city for 6 months. If I want to download something quick while in my car I turn to 4G ALWAYS. I really don't care about how much battery 4G drains because I have a car charger. That's what chargers are there for. If my phone is in my car the aux input is plugged in and so is the car charger. My phone holds all the music for both of my vehicles.
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Wow... you literally went eight months without realizing you don't have 3G in your area?
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There is a huge difference in speed between 3G and 4G. I don't know what they are doing with your 4G where you live or how many people you have on Sprint's 4G network but the speeds between 3G/4G are huge.
That's the thing though. THEORETICAL differences are huge. Real world differences aren't always so big. Everywhere I have tried 4G *Chicago and Los Angeles) it has been the same speed down as 3G. Upload speeds and latency were much improved but the download speeds (generally the more important factor on a cell phone for me anyway) were mostly identical, enough so that it wasn't worth turning on the 4G antenna for me.
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I really wish i can hop on 4G more but Sprint wimax is just lackluster, it doesn't penetrate thru building and their are only specific spots in my work building where I can even get a 4G signal... its disappointing. I am able to handle most things data wise such as watching hq YouTube videos, watching entire streaming episodes on my tv app with little to no buffering over 3G. So do I really need 4G? Not really.... but it would be nice to take advantage of the feature.
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^^^ Amen brother.
I did find it was handy for tethered MMO gaming due to the ping being extremely low. Aside from that, I have no use for it (well, there is also the fact that my home doesn;t have 4G reception, LOL)
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There is a huge difference in speed between 3G and 4G. I don't know what they are doing with your 4G where you live or how many people you have on Sprint's 4G network but the speeds between 3G/4G are huge. I live in Abilene, TX and we have 4G. They have made some huge changes to the 4G network since I had to depart the city for 6 months. If I want to download something quick while in my car I turn to 4G ALWAYS. I really don't care about how much battery 4G drains because I have a car charger. That's what chargers are there for. If my phone is in my car the aux input is plugged in and so is the car charger. My phone holds all the music for both of my vehicles.
Like I said there are exceptions where 4G will be of use, but most other applications, you won't see much difference in most other applications. 3G bandwidth is big enough for most uses.
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i would too.. have fun with the new phone and carrier
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you will love it just as much, we all know a thunderbolt is a refreshed htc evo anyways. Kind of like a Chevrolet Tahoe & Cadillac escalade
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If you need to switch I'd see if T-Mobile has coverage there and get the Sensation. Better than the Thunderbolt easily.
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If i was going VZW the Thunderbolt would be my choice. The only knocks were the battery rumblings like the Evo but they were either overblown or immediately resolved with HTC because my phone has been as expected from a smartphone that has a massive screen and is used as a mobile tablet.

Ill be holding off on an upgrade until Sprint settles which 4g format they are going with (I think they are going to get tired of clear and falling behind LTE eventually) and because the 3d is stupid.


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Like I said there are exceptions where 4G will be of use, but most other applications, you won't see much difference in most other applications. 3G bandwidth is big enough for most uses.
While I agree its nice to be able to turn it on for "power surfing" non-mobile websites. If I didn't get 4g I would be refusing the $10 fee. I can easily tell the difference when on media heavy sites. Being said, I probably surf 85% of the time in 3g just because its a quick hit here or there to a site to look something up.
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If I didn't get 4g I would be refusing the $10 fee.
The $10 fee currently isn't (and TECHNICALLY never was) a 4G fee. Likely because of complaints, this fee is attached to all smartphone now.
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I had the change to use a Tbolt during Easter, and it was really nice. LTE seemed much faster than Wimax. Even when I am right next to a wimax tower at Cal State Fullerton with full bars it was not as fast as LTE from what I experienced. The build quality of the phone seemed better and the color saturation and brightness of the screen seemed better as well.
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I played with my cousin's Inspire (I think it was, the AT&T version of the Thunderbolt) and it felt really nice too. The haptic feedback was much crisper than the Evo as well.
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The thunderbolt and Inspire shoud have better features and performance...they did come out 9 months after the Evo. I cant wait for the evo 3d to retake the top dog spot.
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too funny....
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Are you sure you're going to get 3G from Verizon in the same situation? My parent's house in the sticks only has Verizon or AT&T available yet I roam onto the VZ 3G network with my EVO when I'm visiting them. Not as fast as native Sprint 3G but definitely faster than my old phone which would not roam onto the VZ 3G network.
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I was about to post the same thing. I guess he didn't feel he got enough attention from one thread?

Maybe we can organize one big Thunderbolt e-cookie to give the guy.

I get it. Sprint sucks in his area, Verizon doesn't. The device needs to be able to perform the minimum expectations of a smartphone to be considered and 3G data is one of them. I would have switched, too, albeit with a little less fanfare.
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why didn't he just flash the evo with a verizon prl????

I have looked at the thunderbolt briefly...those lte speeds are pretty insane ...but I imagine my house lacks lte just as it does wimax

hrmmmm...just looked it up and my home addy shows to actually have lte...so does work ( I get no sprint 3g or 4g at work)

very interesting
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why didn't he just flash the evo with a verizon prl????
Wait, can this be done? I was always under the impression that Verizon wouldn't let Sprint phones onto their network due to the ESN?
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Wait, can this be done? I was always under the impression that Verizon wouldn't let Sprint phones onto their network due to the ESN?

You are only forcing it to roam.. but it may force sprint to end your contact
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At least alot of you can get wireless at home and have other high speed options like 4g here in the 20 year behind on technology state of WV I have to pedal a bike to generate enuff power to even charge my phone. LOL! Actually the 3g is the only high speed I can get here where I live, besides the dish option and their little F.A.P sucks!
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With no etf and you get a clean esn. Hello metro hehe
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I looked into deleting this particular thread because after posting I realized I wanted on the "All thing rooted" site. Hence, the double post. Sorry that it has caused some issues.

why ?

it dont belong there. what does your post have to do with root?
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I looked into deleting this particular thread because after posting I realized I wanted on the "All thing rooted" site. Hence, the double post. Sorry that it has caused some issues.
no issues, just gave me a lil chuckle is all... i still think that you can keep the evo on the vzw prl(until sprint boots ya that is LoL)
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rabid naked bunny kernel? WOAH!!! i hope it doesnt bite you, i hear that you need like 12 shots in the stomache to cure that!! ok, all kidding aside, is that a real kernel? i guess i could look too...
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is it this kernel? [Kernel]netarchy-toastmod, Stable: 4.3.1 Beta: 4.3.4 (17-Mar-2011) Now With HDMwIn
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It's from the changelog of the netarchy kernel.

I listed it that way to advertise that some of us do read the changelogs, and that if you don't, maybe you'll want to.

I'm running an older release of the Evo rom and a kernel that matches it. I'm perfectly content, and awaiting Gingerbread or my next phone, under the theory that after a certain point, I don't fix what isn't broken. (That kernel does limit still camera megapixels, tho - and - that's another don't-care for me.)
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It's from the changelog of the netarchy kernel.

I listed it that way to advertise that some of us do read the changelogs, and that if you don't, maybe you'll want to.

I'm running an older release of the Evo rom and a kernel that matches it. I'm perfectly content, and awaiting Gingerbread or my next phone, under the theory that after a certain point, I don't fix what isn't broken. (That kernel does limit still camera megapixels, tho - and - that's another don't-care for me.)
LoL gotcha, yeah thats what i found from my google search... too funny man im kinda at the same point, cm7 and tiamat 3.3.7 work.... period lol so why attempt to fix what aint broke?
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I don't know what I'd do if I didn't get at least decent data speeds with my Carrier. Evo is a great device but the wireless data you get from your carrier is ALWAYS first (to me anyway). So I hope you enjoy your thunderbolt!
Indeed...the carrier comes first...then choose the phone. I may be moving to Verizon when my Sprint contract is up. I have more issues than anticipated with Sprint's 3G coverage. Also, by the time my contract is up, most of the places I go will finally have saturated LTE coverage. I'll probably pay an extra $20/mo though...
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If you have a Sprint phone you can roam on Verizons network. If you have taken road trips using navigationyour phone has to be out of Sprint Only for roaming purposes. If you don't have access to 3G, navigation won't work. This means you are using Verizon towers for data.
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So aside from the carrier, what's the difference?
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4G and 3G speeds all depend on your area. 4G is still super spotty and inconsistent. I just did a speed test in the parking lot at mcdonalds. 3G was 1.2 mbs down and 900kbs up. Switched to 4G and got 6.2 mbs up and 2.2 mbs down.

Just figured is throw that out there. I'm in Cleveland Ohio by the way.
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This should be comparing the EVO 3D vs the Thunderbolt. The EVO 3D kills the Thunderbolt on every level.
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It's more about needing to move to Verizon, where the 3vo won't work either.
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my speeds arnt too bad even in roaming situations. still better ping times than my home internet (wildblue) because i literally live in the middle of nowhere... and spend a month at a time without service lol but i still throw my 94 bucks a month at "the man" and am completely satisfied with what ever service i do recieve from them
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How do you flash the prl to roam in verizons network?
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