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Old April 19th, 2010, 12:18 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Well it looks like some specs for the new iPhone leaked out (well a lot more than that but that's all I care about) Apple's 4th-generation iPhone revealed -- Engadget

Same size or even smaller screen? Are they serious? That's the nail in the coffin for me. There are going to be a lot of other things that the new iPhone falls behind on too. No flash player, no kickstand, prolly no hdmi out. But the screen not getting any larger? I don't know maybe it's just a prototype but I don't think they're the kind of company that changes things at the last minute.

I'm 100% sure now about ditching my 3GS and AT&T. EVO here I come!

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Old April 19th, 2010, 12:31 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Huh?! You've never heard of AT&T before they "merged" with Cingular? Ok first AT&T never merged with Cingular AT&T was Cingular they simply changed names for a brief period. Before Cingular they were called AT&T. I'm no AT&T fan or anything but AT&T has been around longer than your grandfather & probably your great-grandfather. My mom has had an AT&T land line at her house since I was born I'm not 90 or anything but for at least 32 years.

The company was established in the 19th century they were the parent company of Bell Systems back them monopolizing the phone market with zero competition, it is by far the oldest major US carrier still alive and when I say by far I mean by decades. I'm not saying they are a good carrier or anything I'm just in shock when you say I've never heard of them before Cingular.

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EDIT: Spelling - God I feel old after reading that again.
Not completely true. Cingular was owned by Bellsouth and SBC, who bought AT&T wireless (notice the all caps). Then when SBC took over Bellsouth they renamed the network at&t (no caps).

This is the best explanation I have read it is a couple posts down. Did AT&T buy Cingular or something? - Yahoo! Answers
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Old April 21st, 2010, 12:00 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I'm conflicted. I have a 3G, my first and last Apple product. But this new iPhone? Even thinner, and better looking? An improved (while still no android) OS? Let's look at this thing.

Screen res: Seemingly higher. Only spec that makes sense, if we look at the resolution on the old one and the 180k apps in the app store, is 960x640. If so, this is incredible--60% more real estate than the EVO.

Processor: To drive that screen well, they're going to need a better processor. Why not use the one in the iPad? It's better than the Snapdragon, clock for clock, and the one in the iPad clocks in at 1Ghz.

Front-facing camera: It has one.

Higher-res camera with flash: It has one.

...The only leg the EVO has to stand on is 4G. I really don't know how I feel about this--I've been madly in love with the EVO since its reveal, but I do not want to buy a phone that is outspec'd as soon as I open the box... let alone by Apple. I won't buy the new iPhone, but I might be forced to wait until Android hardware catches up--and I don't know if I can wait that long. UUUGGGGHHHHHHH.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 12:32 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I'm conflicted. I have a 3G, my first and last Apple product. But this new iPhone? Even thinner, and better looking? An improved (while still no android) OS? Let's look at this thing.

Screen res: Seemingly higher. Only spec that makes sense, if we look at the resolution on the old one and the 180k apps in the app store, is 960x640. If so, this is incredible--60% more real estate than the EVO.
Don't be conflicted.. that highlighted part of your post is somewhere between misleading and plain wrong. Even if the new iPhone will have 960x640 rez - it still has that puny 3.2" screen. Word from Gizmodo is that it's even smaller than the current iPhone. That high pixel resolution on a tiny screen does not translate into more useable screen real estate. Full resolution text will be plain unreadable, so you'll end up zooming in.. while 4.3" screen is perfect size for 800x480 rez - you can actually take advantage of full pixel density on a screen of Evo's size.

That coupled with all the other advantages of Evo - 4G, WiFi HotSpot, HDMI out, and most importantly open non-locked-down non-censored OS.. all that makes Evo clear winner over the next iPhone.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 01:33 AM   #55 (permalink)
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It's a 3.5" screen, for one... and while I would definitely prefer a 4.3" screen (I was taken aback when I saw the HD2 in person for the first time), 60% screen size, even at 3.5" (and the decrease in size is minuscule, by my estimation from the pictures), would be more geared toward what I want. I have good eyes, and am a giant whore for pixel density--I'm typing this from a T61p running WUXGA @ 15.4". I love it.

4G is a big thing for me--I live in Austin, and am looking forward to having that extra speed both on the go and in my apartment, where the internet is several times slower than the "real-life" speeds given by 4G. The WiFi tethering is awesome, but it's easily doable with bluetooth or usb on the iPhone (though far less convenient). The HDMI out won't see much use from me, but I will be buying a cable to take around with me for various reasons (I study physics, and having such a small device capable of outputting nice presentations is an attractive option... as well as standard HD video ). The OS is the biggest part, I agree--I love the idea and implementation of it, and Sense UI on the Evo has convinced me that it's better than stock Android (which I preferred/prefer the look of, tbh).

I think I'm just being reactionary. No matter how high-powered the new iPhone is, the Evo will still be the Evo. I can wait two more months...
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@mrk: It doesn't matter what kind of specs the iPhone has, it's already silky smooth honestly. The only thing that will take advantage of better hardware is gaming, and even then they won't make anything that can't be played at a decent rate on the 3GS. There really isn't much "innovation" in this year's iPhone from what I've seen so far, and in previous years I felt like there was. All of the new functions are things that Android already does - there really isn't anything that new to me.
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It does not matter if a phone is 5 years ahead of an iphone apple is all marketing. Time and time again I hear people say crap to me like..

Have you see the new apple destkop, it looks soo cool. When it is a 3k desktop that the person does not even understand the specs. Just that it looks cool.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 09:31 AM   #59 (permalink)
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There really isn't much "innovation" in this year's iPhone from what I've seen so far, and in previous years I felt like there was. All of the new functions are things that Android already does - there really isn't anything that new to me.
I tend to agree.. iPhone HD will be at best an incremental improvement from 3G/3GS.. There is really not much Apple can improve in this phone, as long as it stays in its current physical form factor. Apple needs to dramatically change the form factor, if they want to (re)excite people about iPhone again. And they don't seem to be willing to do that, at least not this year.

Evo is a major leap forward from any Android phone on the market. High-end Android phones like HTC Desire/Incredible are already technologically ahead of iPhone. Evo just takes this to another level.
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I tend to agree.. iPhone HD will be at best an incremental improvement from 3G/3GS.. There is really not much Apple can improve in this phone, as long as it stays in its current physical form factor. Apple needs to dramatically change the form factor, if they want to (re)excite people about iPhone again. And they don't seem to be willing to do that, at least not this year.

Evo is a major leap forward from any Android phone on the market. High-end Android phones like HTC Desire/Incredible are already technologically ahead of iPhone. Evo just takes this to another level.

Yeah but iTools don't give a **** about the phone being ahead.
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Many users won't care if it doesn't have an 8mp camera or a 4.3" screen or a snapdragon processor. They want to look cool and have a shiny Apple logo on their phone and claim coolness, most won't even understand what these specs mean, but they don't care... they have the shiny new Apple device with lots of eye candy.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 06:55 PM   #62 (permalink)
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There will always be something better on the horizon. That is the industry. If you're that conflicted by it, you're best option is to wait.

I'm considering this as an approach as well: Wait for the new iPhone to be released. By that time a couple things could happen; Hands-on reviews of the Evo will be common place, and Sprint may provide some further deals to sway attention away from the iPhone.

Or consider what you want to do with your phone. The iPhone will no doubt be neat, but you will have to work how Steve tells you to (assuming no jailbreak). If you can't live with that, then the Evo is going to be your best option. Get it sooner, enjoy it, and don't look back.

From what I'm seeing in the Incredible reviews, HTC has a smooth running machine. Assuming that same production quality comes over to the Evo (I don't see why not) I don't think there's going to be much loss in the user "experience" compared to the what Apple offers.

This is purely my opinion, but in general Apple has about lost it's edge in build quality. They will always be one of the best, but they're not going to be the only sexy piece in town. HTC catches up a little with every iteration, and they're not far behind Apple at this point. This is also evident in Microsoft's Zune HD. To Apple's credit they dragged competent industrial design kicking and screaming into the market, but their competitors are starting to wake up, and we're all benefiting for it.
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better looking?
WOAH. Stop right there. REALLY? This thing is ugly as sin.
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I think the new iphone looks nice...it reminds my of my old first gen ipod nano with the chrome and black gloss.
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I think the new iphone looks nice...it reminds my of my old first gen ipod nano with the chrome and black gloss.
Not to mention it's a prototype that hasn't been finalized.
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