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Old January 4th, 2011, 07:04 PM   #51 (permalink)
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More ROM on the EVO Shift than the EVO according to Sprint's press release

Sprint Newsroom | HTC EVO Shift? 4G fact sheet

SPECIFICATIONS
· Qualcomm® MSM7630 (800 MHz) processor.
· Dimensions: 4.6" x 2.3" x .6" (LxWxT).
· Weight: 5.9 ounces.
· Main display: 3.6” WVGA (800x480) 65K colors.
· Battery life: 6 hours of talk time*.
· Standard removable 1500mAh Lithium (Li-on) battery.
· Memory: 2GB ROM, 512MB RAM.

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Have you seen a charging dock for it by any chance?
No dock yet, just a couple cases and about a million screen protectors. I don't think HTC has ever made a dock for a slider, but I could be wrong. I will post here with updates.
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FWI on the overclock of the scorpion 800mhz in the shift....

2000 mhz.. that is just freakin crazy!!!! nutz!!!!

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I'm not surprised. The original Snapdragon could, in extreme cases, reach 1.5ghz. The new Snapdragons are 45nm, which means higher potential overclock. Granted, most original Snapdragons only reached 1.1-1.2ghz. A 1.3.1-4ghz OC isn't unreasonable on these new SOCs.
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i would love to push my EVO to 1500 mhz!!!
current it only does 1190 mhz (stable)

I hope some Dev can do it soon .. and stable of course.
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No dock yet, just a couple cases and about a million screen protectors. I don't think HTC has ever made a dock for a slider, but I could be wrong. I will post here with updates.
HTC made one for the Touch Pro. Only reason I know is because I had one.
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Does anyone know if phones such as the Evo Shift wth physical qwerty keyboards also have onscreen touch keyboards to use if you don't slide the keyboard out? Thanks.
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Not sure if this has been posted but here are links from Sprint's web site on the Specs of the Evo and the Shift
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If someone needs to have a physical keyboard, I would get the Epic over the Shift. The Shift is a step down from the EVO in almost every way from what I can see.
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If someone needs to have a physical keyboard, I would get the Epic over the Shift. The Shift is a step down from the EVO in almost every way from what I can see.
Not necessarily, depends on what matters to the individual. The EVO has the better camera (including a FFC) and bigger screen. The Shift has the newer processor and GPU.
 
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If someone needs to have a physical keyboard, I would get the Epic over the Shift. The Shift is a step down from the EVO in almost every way from what I can see.
looks can be very deceiving...that 5mp cam and 800mhz processor are more capable than what their labels suggest. I don't know yet that I would call the EVO's camera better... I would have to see some comparisons. Now if HTC and Sprint could send us some updates to the cam software, I might then agree that the Evo camera is the bestest

The Evo Shift is practically a slightly watered down G2 (Tmobile)...


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The Shift has the newer processor and GPU.
The Shift's CPU still isn't as fast as the Evo's, but is better on battery useage. The Shift's GPU though is nearly twice as fast as the Evo's.
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The Shift's CPU still isn't as fast as the Evo's, but is better on battery useage. The Shift's GPU though is nearly twice as fast as the Evo's.
I believe you know your stuff but I disagree that it isnt as fast. I have used the EVO and G2 (Shift or close to it) and the G2 is soo much smoother and faster. Granted the EVO uses Sense but being that I root and overclock the Shift is gonna whoop on the EVO IMO. Just my 2 cents

Do you think the shift will have a hdmi out?
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Video review of the EVO Shift 4G:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZET2gMKAH2U&feature=player_embedded
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I believe you know your stuff but I disagree that it isnt as fast. I have used the EVO and G2 (Shift or close to it) and the G2 is soo much smoother and faster. Granted the EVO uses Sense but being that I root and overclock the Shift is gonna whoop on the EVO IMO. Just my 2 cents
Feel and actual performance are two different things. Now, being on a smaller process (45nm vs. 65nm), the Shift's CPU will overclock faster than the Evo's (unless you get a lemon). The software difference you're seeing is the New Sense (which was confirmed on HTC's Spanish Twitter as coming to the Evo and Incredible, but nothing official since).

Here's some attachments based on an article I'm writing for another website. The full article MAY end up on Phandroid, we'll see. This small glimpse of the article compares 3 SOCs;

Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD 8x60 (N1, Desire, Evo, Incredible, etc.)
Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM 7x30 (Desire Z, G2, Shift, Merge)
Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM 8x55 (Desire HD, MyTouch 4G, Thunderbolt)

As you can see, there is roughly a 20% difference in performance between the Evo's CPU and the Shift's. This is because of a 20% difference in clock speeds (using 1ghz as the base). The same is true of the 2D chart because 2D operations in Android are not GPU accelerated (unless purposely written to be). The GPU difference is huge because the Evo uses the Adreno 200, while the Shift uses the Adreno 205.

So, why does the Desire HD's CPU seem to edge out the Evo's, despite same clock speed? Due to the fact that I can't control all variables (like I can on a PC benchmark), I'm stuck with what's on the phone. All phones using the MSM 8x55 have 768MB of RAM. Seems Android might be feeling a bit RAM starved, because all of the benchmarks got a slight boost, even the GPU benchmark.
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True, but if you have an HDTV or other stuff equipped with DLNA, this'll do the job for a lot of things (not all, but a lot)

Mobile Media Sharing - Free iPhone & Android Media Server :: iMediaShare

For those unfamiliar with DLNA, it's a very cool and very open standard - I've got it on my Sammy TV, for example.

Getting Started - DLNA
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True, but if you have an HDTV or other stuff equipped with DLNA, this'll do the job for a lot of things (not all, but a lot)

Mobile Media Sharing - Free iPhone & Android Media Server :: iMediaShare

For those unfamiliar with DLNA, it's a very cool and very open standard - I've got it on my Sammy TV, for example.

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Thanks for the info i'll look into that later once i pick up my shift this afternoon.
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I really wish this was the Evo was originally in the slider form.

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That's a much better form IMO. Texting/typing is quite annoying with the current Evo.

Too bad I can't upgrade until June! I'm disappointed that HTC still hasn't come up with a camera lens cover for it yet. They also got rid of the kickstand!
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That's a much better form IMO. Texting/typing is quite annoying with the current Evo.

Too bad I can't upgrade until June! I'm disappointed that HTC still hasn't come up with a camera lens cover for it yet. They also got rid of the kickstand!
I was able to handle the EVO4G Shift at a RadioShack today.

It felt MUCH BETTER than the Samsung Epic in that the keyboard is not sloppy. It has a nice firm slide to it which is lacking in the Epic.

That being said, the screen is noticibly smaller.

The Radioshack guy saw me playing with the EVO Shift, and asked me if I was ready for a phone upgrade. I told him the Shift would be a DOWNGRADE...to his surprise, he asked me what I had...

I pulled out the "Big Boy" EVO and showed him...and he smiled...
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I was able to handle the EVO4G Shift at a RadioShack today.

It felt MUCH BETTER than the Samsung Epic in that the keyboard is not sloppy. It has a nice firm slide to it which is lacking in the Epic.

That being said, the screen is noticibly smaller.

The Radioshack guy saw me playing with the EVO Shift, and asked me if I was ready for a phone upgrade. I told him the Shift would be a DOWNGRADE...to his surprise, he asked me what I had...

I pulled out the "Big Boy" EVO and showed him...and he smiled...
For what its worth, 3 guys at my work have the "Big Boy" Evo and all 3 complain about its battery life. I have the Hero and another guy has the Epic. We all have the same few basic apps (facebook, pandora etc). In a side by side comparison opening apps, playing video (youtube) etc the Epic blows them all away in every test. Plus its screen is 100 times better looking and battery life is the best in the bunch. This may not be a "phone guru" test, but its a real world test for what most people do with their phones, and the Epic out shined them all.

I dont mind the look and feel of the Epic actually. And Ive had 2 Samsung phones before and they were bullet proof. I hate my HTC Hero, does nothing but lag and screw up. Glad my 1 yr is up on it so I can upgrade.
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i got a chance to play with one (currently have the evo) i personally love it. it feels alot more natural to use and the keyboard is way easier to type on than the epic, which i used for a few weeks before going with the evo. i wish sprint used sim cards, i'd pick one up and swap between this and my evo depending on needs. the evo can't be beat for browsing and reading. but the shift would work better for me as a phone/daily use because of the ease with which i can handle it and reach the buttons.
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i got a chance to play with one (currently have the evo) i personally love it. it feels alot more natural to use and the keyboard is way easier to type on than the epic, which i used for a few weeks before going with the evo. i wish sprint used sim cards, i'd pick one up and swap between this and my evo depending on needs. the evo can't be beat for browsing and reading. but the shift would work better for me as a phone/daily use because of the ease with which i can handle it and reach the buttons.
1.. google ... live it, love it. you can pop back and forth between phones and your contacts. schedules, and apps can be synced.

2. sprint.. allows you to swap phone online... you can have several phones on your profile account. just swap them anytime you what.
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I guess I expected the Evo shift to be a small upgrade to the Evo. When I read the specs. a few mins. ago, on sprints web site, it really seems like a downgrade of the Evo. Smaller screen, 5 mp. camera, it doesnt say it has dual cameras either. I almost waited to buy the Evo until the shift came out ( I bought my Evo in November). I actually thought the shift would be a upgraded Evo with a keyboard. It looks like a downgraded "budget" Evo. Guess Im just surprised. Your thoughts??
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PROS
Newer Processor
Faster GPU
Better battery life I imagine
Keyboard
5mp sensor is more likely better

CONS
Smaller screen (3.6' )
No FFC
Same 65k color screen (why???? lol)
Lack of development community (right now)
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lesawag - Never let the megapixels fool you. 720p is still under a megapixel per frame, think of the size of most of your pictures, they'll usually come in under 4MP. If the sensor behind the lens is as good or better as the Evo, the pictures will as good or better - that review was pretty convincing of the photo quality for color, and just in my opinion only, good color is always more important in a digital camera with a very small lens than megapixels.

It's a littler Evo - I think it sucks about the FFC missing, otherwise, it seems pretty great.

Oh - as per the Evo, when we pick up the Shift, I'll be doing the color test thing that one of our other users posted. The Android front end and picture gallery are throttled to 64k colors (16-bit palette) so HTC tends to rate their phones that way. Turns out the Evo is a full 24-bit color display, I'd be more than surprised if the little one isn't the same way.

Kinda doing 8 things at once now, so I'll post the links to the color stuff later.
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Same 65k color screen (why???? lol)
Newer CPU is slightly slower, but better on battery life. Pick your poison. If using an SLCD, which HTC loves right now, then it's 262k color (18-bit) as per Sony's official specs. Still not as good as the 24-bit panels most of the other guys are using though.
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I am still in my 30day window....for 6 more days. I have the white evo. Shift was an option for me, but was dismissed a few days ago with the specs I saw.

I was feeling that my evo 4g might not be running up to snuff.
when to look at the Shift 30mins ago... spent 10 mins with it.
downloaded speedtest.net.. it was on 4G... 2 bars
my evo.. 2 bars.
they ran the same... but my ping was much higher..hhmm.
i guess it is ok..

now.. the shift... it seemed.. small. it felt thinker than the G2.. and smaller screen (even it is only .1" smaller). The slide out kb was a pain to push out.. it does not pop out.. and I was tripin the volume button 50% of the time.
The power button seemed in an odd angle/spot.

the location of the usb port is on the bottom of the left side. that is also odd to me. Image in a car holder on the dash/windshield. this will pull a torque on the port as the cable continues to pull down on it.

yes.. it seams like a downgrade from the EVO.. which I think Sprint agrees with given the lower price on it.
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So, we're pretty sure Sony is their supplier now? They announced that they were going with them some time back, after the initial Evos. That ought show as banding in the examples I have for that test then.
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My personal account/opinion. I went into the sprint store today to try out the shift as well as the epic and evo. I have played around with both the evo and epic previously. I am due for an upgrade and had decided on the evo until I heard about the shift. I like the shift. I compared the evo and the shift side by side and it seemed that the shift was just slightly slower when loading/processing apps/programs. the screen quality was about the same. I really did enjoy the keyboard on the shift. there was a little bit of resistance when pulling out the keyboard but the keys felt great and were responsive. I like the keyboard on the shift better than the epic. I found myself hitting the power button on the epic by mistake which was annoying but the screen is still amazing and enjoy swype. I didn't have a problem with the power button on the evo nor shift. I didn't have a problem with the volume buttons on the shift when sliding the keyboard back in or out. I also felt that the camera quality was better on the shift. As of right now I am leaning towards the shift. While it did not seem as fast as the evo or epic, its still miles ahead of my hero LOL

why can't we combine all the pros for these 3 phones? lol But honestly I wouldn't use a lot of the "bells and whistles" on these phones. I text mostly, surf the net and take pics occasionally, and play games/sprint tv/email very rarely. I wouldn't really use the FFC, hdmi output, or hotspot
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the location of the usb port is on the bottom of the left side. that is also odd to me. Image in a car holder on the dash/windshield. this will pull a torque on the port as the cable continues to pull down on it.
The location of the USB is great to me. When I have my phone in a car holder 90% of the time it is rotated so that I have landscape view, which puts the bottom left on the actual bottom of the phone so there is no torque or pull on the phone from the cable.
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Old January 10th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #84 (permalink)
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The location of the USB is great to me. When I have my phone in a car holder 90% of the time it is rotated so that I have landscape view, which puts the bottom left on the actual bottom of the phone so there is no torque or pull on the phone from the cable.

OK.. when you are right.. you are right! that makes sense!
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