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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Good thing I bought it at Radioshack for 219.99$ I would hate to have bought it a week before this lol.
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Now that's a deal. I'd be upset if the savings I've enjoyed by switching to VM didn't already offset that price difference lol.
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I went ahead and ordered it today instead of waiting for Black Friday or Cyber Monday. I figure if it gets reduced even further on either day I can always just order another one and return this one.
Wasn't the sale price $239.00 earlier this week?
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I went ahead and ordered it today instead of waiting for Black Friday or Cyber Monday. I figure if it gets reduced even further on either day I can always just order another one and return this one.
Wasn't the sale price $239.00 earlier this week?
Yeah, it was $239.99 on the VM site. I paid $229.99 each for 2 phones at Radio Shack. I could have saved $60
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I also see the Iphone is $350 - I think it used to be $500
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I also see the Iphone is $350 - I think it used to be $500
Even the 4S finally went down. Probably true that they will get the 5 sometime. The 5th row of icons really makes me want to ditch android. That is an extra row!
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Even the 4S finally went down. Probably true that they will get the 5 sometime. The 5th row of icons really makes me want to ditch android. That is an extra row!
You silly boy! Just get a launcher app that lets you add more rows. (ie go launcher)
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Even the 4S finally went down. Probably true that they will get the 5 sometime. The 5th row of icons really makes me want to ditch android. That is an extra row!
I remember a couple of months ago when I bought my EVO for $219 at RS that they had just announced the iPhone on VM. I was very excited as I have been after an iPhone for years but wont pay $90 a month 'regular' service fees (ATT etc). That was until I saw the price tag of the 16gb version - $600+. With the new prices its coming within range of what I'm comfortable paying for a phone. The 8gb is $350 and I could 'live' with 8gb what with the ability to stream music now and no real need to have my collection on the device.

I would miss the 4g of the EVO and the freedom of installing anything I want to but still, $350 for a $35 a month iPhone is very tempting. We like to bash them but they are a very nice device with excellent update support from Apple...

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The only nice thing about the iphone is the sleek hardware and the apps. That's it. If field runners 2 comes to android i don't need an iphone.
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I remember a couple of months ago when I bought my EVO for $219 at RS that they had just announced the iPhone on VM. I was very excited as I have been after an iPhone for years but wont pay $90 a month 'regular' service fees (ATT etc). That was until I saw the price tag of the 16gb version - $600+. With the new prices its coming within range of what I'm comfortable paying for a phone. The 8gb is $350 and I could 'live' with 8gb what with the ability to stream music now and no real need to have my collection on the device.

I would miss the 4g of the EVO and the freedom of installing anything I want to but still, $350 for a $35 a month iPhone is very tempting. We like to bash them but they are a very nice device with excellent update support from Apple...

Makes you think.
Apple updates are as useless as tonsils. They overprice their products and yet they still sell millions, how they do it? I have no idea other then an inbread society. Just look and compare at all the different iPhone models and you will see what I mean.
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Even the 4S finally went down. Probably true that they will get the 5 sometime. The 5th row of icons really makes me want to ditch android. That is an extra row!
Use nova launcher. I have 5 rows by default.
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Not to make this an iPhone vs Android thread but lets be honest, the iPhone is a sleek device.

My in-laws (in their 70's) both got iPhones last month and its amazing to watch them work the devices. They are sending emails, texts, custom ringers, you name it they can do it and these people are def not tech savvy. No error messages and no screwy OS issues (rogue apps flattening a battery in 2 hrs etc).

I can imagine giving my in-laws an EVO and then explaining to them that they have to root/S-OFF/custom ROM the device just to fix shipped issues. As for the updates being 'useless' at least they have updates. I can guarantee that you will never see another EVO update after the current 'minor fix' being pushed right now for the EVO.

I love the EVO but I also love to tinker with gadgets. Most people dont, they just want it to work.
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Not to make this an iPhone vs Android thread but lets be honest, the iPhone is a sleek device.

My in-laws (in their 70's) both got iPhones last month and its amazing to watch them work the devices. They are sending emails, texts, custom ringers, you name it they can do it and these people are def not tech savvy. No error messages and no screwy OS issues (rogue apps flattening a battery in 2 hrs etc).

I can imagine giving my in-laws an EVO and then explaining to them that they have to root/S-OFF/custom ROM the device just to fix shipped issues. As for the updates being 'useless' at least they have updates. I can guarantee that you will never see another EVO update after the current 'minor fix' being pushed right now for the EVO.

I love the EVO but I also love to tinker with gadgets. Most people dont, they just want it to work.
The iphone 5 maps app did not exactly "work" when it came out. Apple is not immune to software bugs and mistakes. In fact, the Iphone 5 only brings Apple in line with what the EVO V was already capable of. It still lags behind the flagship androids, but 6 months down the road, apple fans will be able to shell out some more cash for the Iphone 5s when they include a new revolutionary feature that they just came up with.....Near Field Communication.

Other than the resource issue, the stock EVO is almost flawless. I can't imagine someone being able to text, email and do custom ringers on an Iphone and not be able to do them on an android phone. It's just too easy.

Not saying all that to be ornery. But Android really does "Just Work". The difference is that Apple "just works" the way apple wants it to, whereas android gives one greater flexibility, (which is what rooting is all about) even without rooting.
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The iphone 5 maps app did not exactly "work" when it came out. Apple is not immune to software bugs and mistakes. In fact, the Iphone 5 only brings Apple in line with what the EVO V was already capable of. It still lags behind the flagship androids, but 6 months down the road, apple fans will be able to shell out some more cash for the Iphone 5s when they include a new revolutionary feature that they just came up with.....Near Field Communication.

Other than the resource issue, the stock EVO is almost flawless. I can't imagine someone being able to text, email and do custom ringers on an Iphone and not be able to do them on an android phone. It's just too easy.

Not saying all that to be ornery. But Android really does "Just Work". The difference is that Apple "just works" the way apple wants it to, whereas android gives one greater flexibility, (which is what rooting is all about) even without rooting.
The difference is that Apple issues an almost immediate fix. How long have we been waiting for the msg fix on the EVO?

Dont get me wrong, the EVO is a great device but its OK to acknowledge another device is as good or possibly better.

Android does not give you greater flexibility out of the box. You have the flexibility becasue you are prepared to root and then sit there with a piece of wire to gain 'S-OFF'. You can 'jailbreak' an iPhone if you want more flexibility. Neither device is open to personal customization out of the box.

All I know is if my in-laws had bought the EVO it would have been back at RS within a day. Imagine explaining to a 70 yr old how to add music, pics and video to their new android device.

"Well first you need double-twist, no wait just drag the files to that folder instead, no wait you have to reduce the video file size, no wait...."

With iPhone you use iTunes - end of story and it works well.

You should not have to wait months for an update or hack a device so that it 'just works'.
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The difference is that Apple issues an almost immediate fix. How long have we been waiting for the msg fix on the EVO?

Dont get me wrong, the EVO is a great device but its OK to acknowledge another device is as good or possibly better.

Android does not give you greater flexibility out of the box. You have the flexibility becasue you are prepared to root and then sit there with a piece of wire to gain 'S-OFF'. You can 'jailbreak' an iPhone if you want more flexibility. Neither device is open to personal customization out of the box.

All I know is if my in-laws had bought the EVO it would have been back at RS within a day. Imagine explaining to a 70 yr old how to add music, pics and video to their new android device.

"Well first you need double-twist, no wait just drag the files to that folder instead, no wait you have to reduce the video file size, no wait...."

With iPhone you use iTunes - end of story and it works well.

You should not have to wait months for an update or hack a device so that it 'just works'.
Our issue is not inherent to android. It's an HTC issue. (Some would say exacerbated by the fact that it's an end of life device on Virgin Mobile). If someone wants the apple experience on android, they could get the google nexus phone and always have the updates first. Our problem was not related to the OS. It was the manufacturer.

Also, as far as music and pics go, how is it easier to have to use Itunes than to use the play store or even Amazon MP3? The ability to use a MICRO SD card also makes moving pics and music around even easier. You have a hardware solution and a cloud based solution on Android.
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Not to make this an iPhone vs Android thread but lets be honest, the iPhone is a sleek device.

My in-laws (in their 70's) both got iPhones last month and its amazing to watch them work the devices. They are sending emails, texts, custom ringers, you name it they can do it and these people are def not tech savvy. No error messages and no screwy OS issues (rogue apps flattening a battery in 2 hrs etc).

I can imagine giving my in-laws an EVO and then explaining to them that they have to root/S-OFF/custom ROM the device just to fix shipped issues. As for the updates being 'useless' at least they have updates. I can guarantee that you will never see another EVO update after the current 'minor fix' being pushed right now for the EVO.

I love the EVO but I also love to tinker with gadgets. Most people dont, they just want it to work.
What? IPhones have just as many issues if not more than android phones?

Remember the iPhone 4, radio issues galore. All Apple said is that they were holding it wrong...

Apple gives the illusion of having no bugs because the won't own up to them.

And then there is Apple maps....
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What? IPhones have just as many issues if not more than android phones?

Remember the iPhone 4, radio issues galore. All Apple said is that they were holding it wrong...

Apple gives the illusion of having no bugs because the won't own up to them.

And then there is Apple maps....
Lol. I forgot about the radio issue. Appropriate for this convo.
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Don't forget that Apple's ability to just work has a lot to do with controlling the device from start to finish, hardware and software from a single source makes things a lot simpler,, it's the same thing with Windows running numerous versions on a billion different hardware configurations. With both Windows and Android the remarkable part is that it works so well in very different environments, you can now get a device running JB for under $100. Amazing!
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Our issue is not inherent to android. It's an HTC issue. (Some would say exacerbated by the fact that it's an end of life device on Virgin Mobile). If someone wants the apple experience on android, they could get the google nexus phone and always have the updates first. Our problem was not related to the OS. It was the manufacturer.

Also, as far as music and pics go, how is it easier to have to use Itunes than to use the play store or even Amazon MP3? The ability to use a MICRO SD card also makes moving pics and music around even easier. You have a hardware solution and a cloud based solution on Android.
Not relevant as the nexus isnt available on VM.

Music and pics via the 'cloud' - hardly the same as having the physical file on your device. What if Im in Airplane mode on a trip?

Please show me a UI that offers the same functionality as iTunes but for Android. Using the Micro SD card for media assumes you know the different codecs and filesizes. iTunes does all this for you on the fly. You cant assume that because you are comfortable with moving files around the SD card that others are. Its much more that just dragging files around.

I always find it interesting how we feel the need to dog another device by hiding in minutia of the devices 'problems' when our device is an equal (or more) offender. The EVO has its issues (just read through the many threads) and it certainly is not more robust than the iPhone.
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If you mean physical robustness then very few phones compare with the evo, I mean it has a full aluminum unibody and Gorilla Glass, while we pay for it in weight there certainly aren't very many phones that compare with the overall sturdiness of the package. Also how is the need to know the file size or codec required relevant to playing a file from your sd card? You launch the media player, it scans the card and plays the files.
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The difference is that Apple issues an almost immediate fix. How long have we been waiting for the msg fix on the EVO?

Dont get me wrong, the EVO is a great device but its OK to acknowledge another device is as good or possibly better.

Android does not give you greater flexibility out of the box. You have the flexibility becasue you are prepared to root and then sit there with a piece of wire to gain 'S-OFF'. You can 'jailbreak' an iPhone if you want more flexibility. Neither device is open to personal customization out of the box.

All I know is if my in-laws had bought the EVO it would have been back at RS within a day. Imagine explaining to a 70 yr old how to add music, pics and video to their new android device.

"Well first you need double-twist, no wait just drag the files to that folder instead, no wait you have to reduce the video file size, no wait...."

With iPhone you use iTunes - end of story and it works well.

You should not have to wait months for an update or hack a device so that it 'just works'.
Yea but its 100 tines easier for Apple to push out updates and fixes because they have only ONE phone to worry about, if not then just a couple OS's. Theres a way wider variety for Android phones and it's a pain to take care each and every single one. Im not saying the iPhone is a bad device, its actually great it was the phone I wanted until I got this one.
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Google Play Music. Where have you been?

Your telling me that GP Music, scans my local music folder, and syncs my phone locally (not over the oh so slow VM internet connection) to my music library? I dont think so. There is no desktop application that LOCALLY syncs your music while giving you LOCAL access to tracks, playlists and file conversions (lower bitrate conversion etc) that compares to iTunes.

As for not needing to know about filesize or codec. If my father in-law wants to copy over and load his 8gb 'summer vacation' movie over onto his 4gb SD card its going to be a problem. First he has to dummy down the filesize with something such as xvid or wmv and then he has to hope that his player of choice supports xvid or wmv. This is assuming he knows how to convert the file in the first place. iTunes does all this for you. You drag the file into iTunes and wait awhile. Then it appears on your device all ready to play. No muss no fuss
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Yea but its 100 tines easier for Apple to push out updates and fixes because they have only ONE phone to worry about, if not then just a couple OS's. Theres a way wider variety for Android phones and it's a pain to take care each and every single one. Im not saying the iPhone is a bad device, its actually great it was the phone I wanted until I got this one.
I agree 100%. I also wanted the iPhone until I got my EVO. The EVO is a wonderful device but that doesnt mean the iPhone cant be
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I agree 100%. I also wanted the iPhone until I got my EVO. The EVO is a wonderful device but that doesnt mean the iPhone cant be
In reality I was due for an upgrade when I was with At&t, I told my dad I would buy the phone if he continued paying for it. So at the time I hated Android OS for no apparent reason except "i dont like how it looks". I really really hated the OS for that reason lol. So I decided to get the iPhone or a WP7. Plans changed and my dad told me to get a Boost, VM phone. I was disappointed but happy since I was leaving the non-smartphone I had. In the end I got this phone and I love it!
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In the end I got this phone and I love it!
Good choice as it is a good phone. Especially if you like to play around with ROMS etc. I have had a lot of fun with mine. Keeps me occupied for hours
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Having used a BlackBerry for 7 years I finally saw a VM ad on tv talking about the $25 a month plan, at the time I was paying AT&T over $100 more a month for a single line, at the time the intercept was the only prepaid Android available, fortunately I found some great devs over at SDX who were able to make a sh*tty phone into something usable and so I was able to see just how easily modifiable Android really was, while I was able to hack the BlackBerry to use OS updates from other carriers it was in no way comparable. I paid $275 for that phone 2 years ago, compare that to the Evo and it's laughable, since then I got the Wildfire S, then the Triumph and now the Evo V, all for about the same price. Truly amazing, one tidbit, as far as I know, that piece of crap Intercept is still the only Android phone that has gotten an OS update on Virgin, go figure. If you like to play with technology then take it from someone who's done it all, Palm WebOS, Symbian, WP, BlackBerry, IOS and now Android, none have been as fun, challenging and educational as Android and at least for me, this phone in particular.
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I bought my Evo for $300 when it came out, so, crap.
Looking into the iPhone again now that the price is reduced.
Love my big screen though...we'll see what happens if they release the 5.
Actually no, it'll be like $800
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Good thing I bought it at Radioshack for 219.99$ I would hate to have bought it a week before this lol.
That would be me. I just bought mine for 274.99 at Radioshack last Thursday. I might end up swapping for the SII but they have a 30 day guarantee that you will have the lowest price so I'm hoping that somebody has the Evo on sale so I can get some money back.
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Wirefly has this phone for $148.88. They said it was brand new and didn't know how long it would last.

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Now I'm really pissed, but it says with new Virgin service?
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Now I'm really pissed, but it says with new Virgin service?
they always so that but you dont need to get new service.the only thing i will suggest is if anyone buys one from wirefly pay for the 2 day shipping.they dont ship pre paid as fast as post paid with the free shipping.
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Your telling me that GP Music, scans my local music folder, and syncs my phone locally (not over the oh so slow VM internet connection) to my music library? I dont think so. There is no desktop application that LOCALLY syncs your music while giving you LOCAL access to tracks, playlists and file conversions (lower bitrate conversion etc) that compares to iTunes.
Seriously, you don't have WiFi access to the net where you want to sync? Yes, you can designate songs as being stored on your SD Card or have them stream. It's pretty damned cool.
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Seriously, you don't have WiFi access to the net where you want to sync? Yes, you can designate songs as being stored on your SD Card or have them stream. It's pretty damned cool.
But your missing the point. Your library is not stored locally in the Google Play Music app. You have to upload all 16gbs (or whatever) of YOUR music files to Google servers. Not only is this a pain while your home net connection is choked for a few days (Im on DSL) your also trusting Google with all your music collection. Google then has the legal right to scan those music files and determine if ANY of your files are pirated. They also have the right to contact the RIAA and report you for being in possession of illegal copyright files, if applicable. In this world of your digital footprint never being forgotten, this can come back to bite a user many years after as legal terms change. I want to keep MY files private - how about you?

I dont have any illegal copyright material but I know people who have used the service and 'chanced it' - good luck with that.
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I just picked this up for my son at wirefly.com. Be aware that they don't tell you until AFTER charging your credit card that it's not in stock and they have no idea when it will ship: "One or more of the items you ordered may have a slight delay in shipping. Please see below for more information."

It's great price, but I feel it's deceptive not to let customers know prior to purchasing that the item is out of stock.
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The difference is that Apple issues an almost immediate fix. How long have we been waiting for the msg fix on the EVO?
Sorry. No.

Iphone 4s and Ipad 2 or 3, when you upgrade from IOS 5 to 6 it BROKE wifi on a lot of phone/router combinations.

It has yet to be fixed.
In fact, it is so bad, that Apple has had to replace a lot of the phones.
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If you mean physical robustness then very few phones compare with the evo, I mean it has a full aluminum unibody and Gorilla Glass, while we pay for it in weight there certainly aren't very many phones that compare with the overall sturdiness of the package. Also how is the need to know the file size or codec required relevant to playing a file from your sd card? You launch the media player, it scans the card and plays the files.
Lol I was in line with a guy for black friday.. he was buying an IPhone 4S on VM. He pulled out his EVO and the screen was all smashed up.. I asked him what happened to his phone.. he said he accidently left it in the road for 4-5 hours and came back and found it.. it was still working. he said he thought it had been run over numerous times. I was impressed. Sure the screen was smashed but it still worked he actually made a call on it while standing in line. Made me proud of my evo. If he can go through that it'll last the way I baby it.
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Well, typical bad timing on my part! Ordered this last week when it was $199. Haven't even received it yet!
So I just went ahead and ordered another one at the $149 price, because fifty bucks is fifty bucks. I thought (briefly) about calling Virgin and seeing if they would give me a price adjustment, but the thought of trying to explain that to one of their support people just gave me a headache.
So I get my phone a few days later but save a decent amount of scratch. Seems like a good tradeoff.
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But your missing the point. Your library is not stored locally in the Google Play Music app. You have to upload all 16gbs (or whatever) of YOUR music files to Google servers. Not only is this a pain while your home net connection is choked for a few days (Im on DSL) your also trusting Google with all your music collection. Google then has the legal right to scan those music files and determine if ANY of your files are pirated. They also have the right to contact the RIAA and report you for being in possession of illegal copyright files, if applicable. In this world of your digital footprint never being forgotten, this can come back to bite a user many years after as legal terms change. I want to keep MY files private - how about you?

I dont have any illegal copyright material but I know people who have used the service and 'chanced it' - good luck with that.
Look, I'm sure that it sucks to get your internet via two tin cans and a string (what are the data rates? 12 bytes per second?), but Google Play Music is pretty damned cool. You really think that Apple doesn't pay any attention whatsoever to the data that they have available to them in iTunes?

What makes you think that Google has these rights and why would it make any sense for them to contact the RIAA and alienate customers (note: I haven't read the terms of service; is that really in there?).

Yeah, I have a massive CD collection. If they want to come nosing around they're welcome to waste their time and do so. No big deal.
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One, Google has absolutely no incentive to hunt down whatever you have stored in the cloud, Two, how would they possibly be expected to know what's pirated and what isn't? Merely matching your files to a digital fingerprint doesn't mean that you don't own the original source.
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One, Google has absolutely no incentive to hunt down whatever you have stored in the cloud, Two, how would they possibly be expected to know what's pirated and what isn't? Merely matching your files to a digital fingerprint doesn't mean that you don't own the original source.
Very easily. If you and I both upload the same pirated copy of a song they will be identical in every way (same source). This can only happen if one of us (or both) has a pirated version. If you and I rip a song from our two individual legal CDs they will be different - MD5 tags etc. Like files are flagged when GMusic scans your tracks to create playlists etc. They use the same technology as on YouTube. Try adding background music to your video and see how quickly it gets flagged.

Seems GM is presently only deleting suspected files but who knows what the future holds. If the RIAA applies pressure would you bet your future on Google holding strong? I wouldnt

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Look, I'm sure that it sucks to get your internet via two tin cans and a string (what are the data rates? 12 bytes per second?), but Google Play Music is pretty damned cool. You really think that Apple doesn't pay any attention whatsoever to the data that they have available to them in iTunes?

What makes you think that Google has these rights and why would it make any sense for them to contact the RIAA and alienate customers (note: I haven't read the terms of service; is that really in there?).

Yeah, I have a massive CD collection. If they want to come nosing around they're welcome to waste their time and do so. No big deal.
Keep drinking the kool-aid. You gave up many of your privacy rights when you used the google service. Ever wondered why in google mail the coincidental advert appears for bicycle accessories after you've told your buddy about your new bike via email? Its legal because you agreed to it in the TOS when signing up.

Apple has zero access to my files and I maintain my privacy because, again, ITS STORED LOCALLY.
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Keep drinking the kool-aid. You gave up many of your privacy rights when you used the google service. Ever wondered why in google mail the coincidental advert appears for bicycle accessories after you've told your buddy about your new bike via email? Its legal because you agreed to it in the TOS when signing up.

Apple has zero access to my files and I maintain my privacy because, again, ITS STORED LOCALLY.
I asked you a specific question in essence. Please show me where in the Terms of Service Google has this right.

I never wondered about this and fully understood it. Clever, aren't they?

You really think that the catalog that iTunes builds doesn't look in any way at the files? Now who's drinking kool-aid??
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I asked you a specific question in essence. Please show me where in the Terms of Service Google has this right.

I never wondered about this and fully understood it. Clever, aren't they?

You really think that the catalog that iTunes builds doesn't look in any way at the files? Now who's drinking kool-aid??
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    We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to:
    • meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request.
    • enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations.
    • detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues.
    • protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, our users or the public as required or permitted by law.
Lots of 'wiggle room' for the RIAA lawyers to work with.


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I recommend that you dumb-down to my speed internet (the two cans and a string comment) so that you have more time to research before blindly trusting corporations with all your private files and data. With great speed comes great responsibility.

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I recommend that you dumb-down to my speed internet (the two cans and a string comment) so that you have more time to research before blindly trusting corporations with all your private files and data. With great speed comes great responsibility.

Have fun out there!
As I said, the songs I have in Google Music are all licensed. I have nothing to fear. And clearly your lack of bandwidth hasn't slowed you down.

Thanks for doing the legwork for me.

I do wonder about whether you have taken some of this out of context. The Apple "We also collect non-personal information" certainly leaves me to believe that prior to that was an explanation of how they collect some information and this is "other" information that they are collecting in addition.

Any chance you missed it?
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Again Google doesn't go out hunting for pirates, the documents quoted are pretty much legal boiler plate to maintain compliance with the DMCA, nowhere have I ever even heard Google of being accused of reporting user data to anyone without a legitimate take down notice which they are legally obligated to comply with. In the interest of transparency Google reports all such notices to the Chilling Effects Organization for publication on their website. If you're not actively sharing copy written materials there is nothing to fear, Google isn't going to remove your data let alone report you because of matching ID3 tags on some of your files. Commercial ripping software routinely use the same services such as Gracenote to auto populate the tags.
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Again Google doesn't go out hunting for pirates, the documents quoted are pretty much legal boiler plate to maintain compliance with the DMCA, nowhere have I ever even heard Google of being accused of reporting user data to anyone without a legitimate take down notice which they are legally obligated to comply with. In the interest of transparency Google reports all such notices to the Chilling Effects Organization for publication on their website. If you're not actively sharing copy written materials there is nothing to fear, Google isn't going to remove your data let alone report you because of matching ID3 tags on some of your files. Commercial ripping software routinely use the same services such as Gracenote to auto populate the tags.
Well said.
Besides, doing it, would mean Google is doing their work for them, uncompensated, only to have to do even more work if anything is found.

It's not in their best interest, not to mention the entertainment industry is a thorn in Google's side as it is. Why ask for more problems.
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