radxcoresteven

I don't recall acting noble and high. I was just posting what happened for those who cared to know and wouldn't flame me for making a bad decision, like you never have, correct?

chfields

So you support lying and fraud?? This schmuck is a criminal, just like the politicians in washington and its idiots like you and him is why a cell phone is $500......Whatever happened to the good old days when people actually took responsibility for their actions?? Grow up act and like real men instead of whiney children......

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chfields

You didn't make a mistake, you purposely committed fraud and then had the audacity to come on this forum and boast about it. Maybe you think that is cool...it just makes you a low life.

Maybe I'm just an old guy that was raised to be honest and take responsibility for my actions. I have made plenty of mistakes in my life, I'm sure I'll make plenty more, but at least I have integrity and that is something to be proud of.

Danokan

I don't care what sprint likes or dislikes. That isn't the issue.

You keep mingling the two issues of rooting and then lying about it.

Lying is wrong.

Rooting isn't.

Rooting is no different than altering a computer under warranty to make it faster or better.

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Danokan

Why would I tell them. My phone is working fine.

Grinder16

Your situation doesnt allow it? Huh, wonder what happens when you really need something and cant afford it, maybe you will rob someone for the money or something else. You have no integrity and KARMA will come for you. Hope you are ready when it does.. I despise people like you and the others that think you did the right thing. Grow up, own up to your mistakes and deal with them. Coward

roland365

ofcourse they wouldnt, there is a reason ppl say to do a backup and return it back to "normal" when u take it back to sprint.

is this lying now...or just simply omitting the the fact it was rooted?

if something messes up with the phone and u need to take it back i bet all of you will return it back to original settings and go get it fixed. i seriously doubt u high and mighty ppl will say" well i rooted and the warranty is void, its was my choice and im taking responsibility!!!. i guess im SOL".....yeah right i doubt it.

Danokan

Hmmm... well let me say this in the best way possible.

After doing much research I went to Sprint and updated MY PHONE. When I updated MY PHONE I bought the HTC Hero.

I am not leasing MY PHONE. Nor am I renting MY PHONE. I purchased MY PHONE.

Because it is MY PHONE I can do many things with it. I can loan out MY PHONE. Or, for that matter, I can even rent out MY PHONE.

I can add apps to MY PHONE and I can delete apps from MY PHONE.

After months of usage and reading, researching, re-reading, re-researching I decided that MY PHONE wasn't quite operating at the fullest potential.

Now then, since it is MY PHONE I decided to root MY PHONE. After rooting MY PHONE I put the Fresh 1.1 rom on MY PHONE. After that I put the Gumbo Kernel on MY PHONE. And then after that I put SetCPU on MY PHONE.

I don't like MY PHONE anymore. I LOVE MY PHONE now.

I haven't had an issue with MY PHONE after rooting, etc.

Now then. And please pay attention because this is the important part.

If MY PHONE goes on the fritz, then I need to research the reason that MY PHONE is acting up.

Is it a "rooted" problem, or is it a "stock" problem.

I have read about many people having some issues with "rooted" phones and going to the devs about it. The devs have worked hard and got the problems figured out and solved.

To this date: I do not know of anyone that PROPERLY rooted their phone and had to return the phone because it wasn't working right.

There may be some out there.. but after extensive reading / researching, I haven't read any.

SO therefore, I can unequivocally say at this point:

That if MY PHONE goes on the fritz and it is a "root" problem I won't take it to Sprint. I will go to the devs' boards and get it figured out.

However, if MY PHONE goes on the fritz because of the stock problem, I will take it back to Sprint after returning it back to stock condition.

I can't speak for others, but if they ask me if I have rooted MY PHONE I will be honest and tell them.


But in the meantime.. I will operate MY PHONE the way I want to operate MY PHONE.

chfields

Well said!!!!

roland365

thus making your warranty no good!..thank you for making my point!!!
you will return it back to original settings...wait but you just said its YOUR and YOU can do what ever you want with YOUR phone...why return it back to stock??????????? cuz u know they wont even look at it if it was rooted, plus they will almost never ask if its rooted anyway so u made my second point. if they dont ask you not gonna tell them. a little dont ask dont tell for phones

thanks for the example scenerio and proving my point!

Danokan

You need to cut your meds in half.

If it is an issue with the Hero because of STOCK PROGRAMS or STOCK ISSUES.. then it is a STOCK issue.

Not a root issue.

Rooting would have nothing to do with it.

So therefore, rooting, would be

IRRELEVANT

DrRobert

I was going to say the exact same thing. Danokan just made a fool out of himself with his long, hypocritical post. Rooting the phone voids Sprint's warranty. Therefore, if you root your phone and then take it back to Sprint to get replaced for ANY reason, you're being just as dishonest as radxcoresteven.

roland365

yeah ok....i didnt say anything about rooted or stock problem....i made the arguement that u will hide the fact that u rooted your phone if u take it to sprint...u basically agreed with me in your post ....bottom line.
so its RELEVANT!!

chfields

The difference is that he said if the problem was a stock issue he would take it to sprint. The OP bricked it by rooting and flashing the wrong ROM. That is intentional damage. You are right on the point if Sprint asks and he says he rooted they will deny the claim.

tatonka_Hero

Are we really having an ethics argument on a forum about phones?

Stupid.

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Svengali522

Ok...imagine a scenario in which putting a performance air cleaner kit on your car would void your warranty. 2 weeks later, your power windows stop working. It isn't related to the modification you made on the engine, so it isn't really fair for the car manufacturer to void your warranty.

Now imagine the same scenario, only instead of it being your windows that stopped working, your engine blew up because of the modification made to it. That is your mistake, you knowingly made a change to the car that resulted in the engine blowing up. Is it ok to take off the air cleaner kit in this scenario and make the manufacturer replace the engine? That is an act of fraud. You are misleading the manufacturer for monetary benefit.

This guy bricked his phone doing something that was beyond his reading comprehension...and the result will be higher prices for consumers that have the ability to read. I know there are those out there who prefer a world with no personal responsibility, but I prefer one in which our decisions and actions have consequences.

Danokan

I put some ethanol blend gasoline in my vehicle one time. Then had an issue with the windshield.

Took it in to get it fixed.

I will now have to call my dealer and pay for that


Man that sucks

roland365

The arguement started talking about lying to Sprint. Dano clearly said he would. But if the asked he would tell them...like I said....they wont ask. So if heos so honest...take itrooted and man up....yeah I doubt it to!

DrRobert

We're not talking about what you and I may consider to be "fair" here. We're talking about what, according to a few posters here, is "ethically" right. Whether rooting the phone caused the issue is a moot point. Rooting the phone voids the warranty, so if you try to take back a rooted phone to Sprint, even if rooting it had nothing to do with the problem it has, you're being dishonest.

When you root the phone, you know it voids the warranty. So by rooting, you're essentially saying, "I'm rooting my phone, but by doing so I know that if anything ever happens to this phone, I do not have the right to return it to Sprint because I have no more warranty." So your "decision" to root the phone carries the "consequence" that, if anything happens to the phone (yes, that means ANYTHING), you have no warranty to help you. End of discussion.

I have a Toyota Prius. I know there are several mods I can make that will give my car better gas mileage, but I know that these mods void the warranty, so I choose not to do the mods. I understand that if I mod my engine, and if something happens to the car, even if it's completely unrelated to the mod, Toyota will tell me that I have no warranty and that they cannot help me.

Anybody trying to take Danokan's side in this argument is fighting a losing battle. What he posted was hypocritical, and there's no way around it.

Danokan

Someone need to look up the definition of lying

roland365

How does that foot in the mouth taste dano

roland365

A deliberate act deviating from the truth.
Act - setting phone back to stock
Truth- phone rooted

Danokan

Ummmm

Setting it back to stock

Would mean it isn't rooted anymore.

Mmmmmmmmmm tasty.

DrRobert

Your warranty was voided the moment you rooted it. If you unroot it in the future, you still have no warranty.

Danokan

[quote=DrRobert;404922]Your warranty was voided the moment you rooted it. quote]

For the record:

Can you show me in the Sprint warranty where it says this?

roland365

hey think whatever makes u feel better..i could care less if u void your warranty or not......i was just proving a point to u ppl who think your better than the OP. it doesnt change the fact that i was right and you would still lie about your phone. pretty much putting you in the same boat as the OP

Twice

thats what I said too

Danokan

Whatever makes you feel better.

dsavage

[quote=Danokan;404933]
It's actually HTC's (the manufacturer) warranty, and I'm not a lawyer, but likely this:

"This Warranty does not apply to:
(a) Product subjected to abnormal use or conditions, accident, mishandling, neglect, unauthorized alteration, misuse, improper installation or repair or improper storage;"

would allow them to not honor the warranty, regardless of whether or not the phone was restored (which, technically, like rooting in the first place, could also be considered unauthorized alteration, even though you are putting it back the way you got it).

And my guess as to why it's that way (without regard to what people think is right or wrong) is simply because once the phone is altered, there is really no way to definitively say whether a failure of the phone was or was not caused by the alteration. Say you root, overclock, and that causes some component that wasn't designed to operate under those conditions to fail. You might argue that it had nothing to do with rooting, and you might be right (could be a coincidence) but HTC could argue that it was caused by rooting and they might be right too. How do you prove it?

Personally, I don't think rooting your phone should void a warranty unless it can be clearly shown that what you did caused the damage (as in the original poster's case), but what I think doesn't matter, it does void it, I agreed to it when I (as did everyone else) bought the phone, so, I can't really beef about it.

The warranty is in the back of your user's guide, if you want the whole thing.

Danokan

well rethinking my position on this

semantics, maybe

roland365

thx savage....i would love to root my phone.....but i dont follow all that tech talk...so it looks alien to me....not sure if i would mess up mine too.

tdk98

Yes, very.

slayer5

Had to jump in here. I am on a rimfire forum, a bow hunting forum and a few others. This type of thing always comes up. You cannot preach morals (right or wrong). I have a question that is relevant, I have a new Droid what is the advantage of rooting it? (now that I know some of the risks I would like to hear the other side). By the way I am very happy with my phone the way it is but maybe I am missing something? (seriously I am not a computer wiz but enjoy the droid!)

Danokan

If you like or are satisfied with it leave it

You can read all about rooting at the top of the mainpage

dsavage

I agree it's not very productive to argue ethics. What is ethical in a given situation is usually pretty clear cut, but different people can have wildly different morals and values, and those aren't going to change, so arguing doesn't accomplish anything.

But, understanding what does and does not void your warranty, and what risks are involved with making modifications (rooting or otherwise) to your phone, that seems like a pretty good point of discussion.

Maybe?

roland365

no arguing on ethics here...just calling out some contradictory statements of some ppl.

Slug

Please refrain from any more name-calling, insults, or baiting.

Either keep the debate civil, or risk having the thread closed and more infractions handed out.

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roland365

i didnt do any of those........

Dade County

You got my vote!!! LOL. Wrong or not, he's got a new phone. So was is ethical or unethical? It's a matter of opinion. Doesn't really make a difference to me honestly. Good luck from this point forward dude.

JB in AZ

My guess is that we won't see radxcoresteven posting here again any time soon, at least under that name.

radxcoresteven

So you think that I am afraid to post due to my own personal decision? Honestly, some of you say these things like you have never abused any system, seriously. I'm not trying to bring up anymore flame wars, but really, it was my decision and yes, I'm not proud of it. I am fairly sure that flaming me and others for my decision is off-topic, right? Problem solved, I'll leave it at that.

jersey221

it doesnt matter sprint/htc shouldnt have to take the loss because of something he did.

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JB in AZ

I guess what I meant to say, based on the way you were treated here, I woud be surprised to see you. Not that you would be afraid to post. I am glad that you are still here. This is an online community, with all kinds of folks. The overwhelming majority are here to help, not to judge. I feel, as a few said, it is inappropriate to have moral discussions in what is bascially a tech forum.

I actually hope you continue to be a part of this community, and it would be my guess, that you learned something that you will be able to share with others. I know that I personally have a tendency to rush into things, and screw them up. That's precisely why I haven't rooted my Hero yet. I keep getting closer, but every time I see someone have a problem, I hold off, saying mine is fine the way it is, certainly better than if I brick it!

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JB in AZ

Just a smiple question...do we realy know that the phone is a brick? Perhaps it goes back to HTC, like many others with dust or clicking button pads, and gets refurbished. HTC may have a way to "reformat" for lack of a better word, the phone and re-use it as a refurbished unit. Or use the case for parts....

I'm not discussing the moral issue here, just the fact that the "loss' may not realy be that big.

looneylu

@ radxcoresteven I would have and have the done the same thing in the past. It's not a matter of being proud of it or not. Good luck with your phone, and don't be discouraged from posting again in the future. welcome aboard. As you can see, this is just one big dysfunctional family. Except for Khaag27. She's a hottie, so you don't want to think of her as family!!!!

joseamirandavelez

Im not saying it's wrong. Im saying it's against Sprint's rules...

From Sprint's Terms and Conditions:
"We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason, including, but not limited to: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement; (g) breaching the Agreement or failing to follow our Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated or unverifiable identification or credit information, or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications; (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with the Service; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests or our network."

Terms & Conditions

That pretty much covers everything. The phone comes blocked from factory. So its at Sprint's discretion, not your opinion. Modifying the OS is not illegal since the OS is open source. But if you modify the OS you are changing the software from the condition that Sprint considers original. Sprint is not going to give you a new phone if you tamper with the stuff that make it run without problems... Just as a car manufacturer will void your warranty if you install nitro in your car and blow the engine block off while racing...

Again, I'm totally in favor of rooting, installing ROM's and nitrous charged cars!

Now, to the OP, CONGRATS and thanks for sharing.

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