At the advice of Lekky, I am now posting a thread in this forum to resolve an HTC Hero's shortcomings and turn it into a workable phone.
It should be noted that any solutions offered to these problems should NOT involve downloading 3rd party applications of any kind as this might be contributing to the problem (re advice in Android Lounge, A Rant on the General Inadequacies of an Android Phone thread).
In no particular order and probably by no means a concise list as more may come to light later -
Phone drops occasional incoming calls straight into voicemail
Phone occasionally will not dial out
Phone occasionally drops incoming sms messages
Phone occasionally does not send sms messages
Voicemail notification not received
(All of the above can sometimes be resolved by rebooting the phone which is not very useful if an urgent call needs to be made either way)
Home WiFi hub not recognised
Bluetooth will not send images
Browser will only load up a fraction of some web pages
Custom downloaded MESSAGE tone cannot be set
Virtually impossible to use the trackball to select objects in the webbrowser as the cursor jumps to a different object on selection
No option to close default apps thereby draining battery
(therefore)
Abysmal battery life (one day maximum with phone use only)
I think there's enough there to be going on with for now, but more may follow later as and when encountered.
Any help much appreciated thank you, but NO suggestion of 3rd party apps as this has been suggested as a possible source of the above
faults.
(Edit) We are talking a HTC Hero (T-Mobile G2 Touch) which has perfect signal reception in Nottingham, UK. This is verified by my old Nokia smartphone, also on TMobile, which never drops calls or messages, and was at one time slated for having an awful battery life, only lasting for three days on one full charge.
Last edited by hannahl3; March 17th, 2010 at 08:15 PM.
Wow, that's some list of problems you have there! I've had some issues with the Hero but I can honestly say I have not experienced any of those problems that you describe except the bluetooth one (which actually, is not so much a fault as a 'feature') and the poor battery life. Which to be honest I don't really think is that poor considering all the things I have it doing. If you turn everything off and don't touch it except for the odd call and text it will last a week, much like any dumb phone...
By default apps do you mean things like Footprints? These can be closed with a task killer and never come back (until reboot). But then again you don't want to download any third party apps so I guess you're stuck with them. Chalk that one up as an issue/fault then.
When trying to set your own message tone, is the problem that you can see it in the list or that you see and select it but the setting won't stick? If the former, did you create the correct folder structure on the SD card? And if yes, did you choose it through the messages app or from home/settings?
I'm sure it's been said to you already, but maybe you just have a dodgy unit that needs replacing. It happens...
If I use my HTC for the odd call and sms, which I have been doing for the last six weeks as I've given up on it in favour of my old p910i for web stuff and emails, I get maybe 36hrs battery life before it beeps for a charge.
And its not really acceptable that the lack of bluetooth image sending is a 'feature'. Lets face it, image sending is one of the main uses on any bluetooth enabled phone.
Likewise, delving into a mass of files to set an sms tone is not the norm for any phone, smart or not.
But admittedly, we're not here to compare other phones with the HTC Hero as the HTC Hero is different from anything else ever encountered.
So I'll wait for solutions to the above to get it working superbly.
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Phone drops occasional incoming calls straight into voicemail
Phone occasionally will not dial out
Could you explain this a bit more, what do you mean will not dial out? You type the numbers and press dial, it goes to call screen but doesn't actually dial? Any other noises?
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Phone occasionally drops incoming sms messages
Phone occasionally does not send sms messages
Using the default sms app? Do have any other sms apps installed?
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Voicemail notification not received
Is this an sms notification? Or the one that should appear in the notification bar on the phone?
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Home WiFi hub not recognised
Does it see the wifi connection? Does it connect at all? Or is this the case where it does connect but there is no external internet access?
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Bluetooth will not send images
This is a limitation with android 1.5 I think. There is an update to 2.1 in April and this should solve this problem.
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Browser will only load up a fraction of some web pages
On WiFi or on 3G? Do you mean a fraction of a page, or only some pages you try to get to? Can you give some examples of pages, and if you have a good 3G connection at the time (or if it is WiFi)
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Custom downloaded MESSAGE tone cannot be set
Yes, but you need to place it in the right place. See below:
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Adding New Ringtones/SMS Notifications/Alarms
To add new ringtones or SMS alerts, connect your Hero to USB and mount the device on your PC. Browser to the following folders:
Copy your mp3 files into either of the folders above. Then go to:
Ringtone:Settings > sound and display > phone ringtone
SMS: Settings > sound and display > notification sound
Alarms: Set the sound when adding a new alarm.
Then select the ringtone you put in the above folder(s).
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Virtually impossible to use the trackball to select objects in the webbrowser as the cursor jumps to a different object on selection
Use your finger, trackball should only be really used for fine text adjustment.
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No option to close default apps thereby draining battery
(therefore)
Abysmal battery life (one day maximum with phone use only)
You can use a 3rd party app, however it isn't required. Android is designed in a way to use little or no resources with apps open in the background, it really is very good at managing this, thus the lack of a need to close apps manually. Also please remember that this is a smartphone, and it is generally accepted that with normal usage you can expect to charge daily.
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Any help much appreciated thank you, but NO suggestion of 3rd party apps as this has been suggested as a possible source of the above
faults.
You're misquoting me, I said that the incorrect use of third party apps can cause instability. On this topic, do you use a task killer?
Could you explain this a bit more, what do you mean will not dial out? You type the numbers and press dial, it goes to call screen but doesn't actually dial? Any other noises?
Type the numbers, press dial, and zilch, nothing
Using the default sms app? Do have any other sms apps installed?
Default sms app yes. I never use 3rd party sms or call apps on any phone
Is this an sms notification? Or the one that should appear in the notification bar on the phone?
The one that should appear in the notification bar I presume - but I've never seen it
Does it see the wifi connection? Does it connect at all? Or is this the case where it does connect but there is no external internet access?
It wont see the connection. This is what prompted a consortium of HTC officials who happened to be visiting TMobile customer services to declare that it was a major fault with the phone
This is a limitation with android 1.5 I think. There is an update to 2.1 in April and this should solve this problem.
On WiFi or on 3G? Do you mean a fraction of a page, or only some pages you try to get to? Can you give some examples of pages, and if you have a good 3G connection at the time (or if it is WiFi)
WiFi doesnt work anyway. Nothing works on a 3G connection at all. The problem is on using a HSPDA connection
Yes, but you need to place it in the right place. See below:
Use your finger, trackball should only be really used for fine text adjustment.
Using your finger can be even less precise than the trackball on link intensive pages
You can use a 3rd party app, however it isn't required. Android is designed in a way to use little or no resources with apps open in the background, it really is very good at managing this, thus the lack of a need to close apps manually. Also please remember that this is a smartphone, and it is generally accepted that with normal usage you can expect to charge daily.
Normal usage, yes. With no other use than the odd call and a text, no
You're misquoting me, I said that the incorrect use of third party apps can cause instability. On this topic, do you use a task killer?
I have Advanced Task Killer installed after seeing good reviews in here, but never use it
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Uninstall it if you never use it, it might be closing things in the background, and would explain a lot of the strange issues, especially calls and sms (assuming theres no chomp/sms popup/handcent)
My first replacement was given due to the lack of WiFi (mentioned above) and due to missed calls and sms messages, all of which happened before I'd even heard of ATK.
And theres surely a better way of setting a simple message notification than connecting to a pc?
Hannah, have you installed the most recent software update from T-Mobile? Menu-Settings-About phone-Build number should display 2.73.110.26 if it's current.
Also uninstall Advanced Task Killer for now. The closer the handset is to the default, the better it is for troubleshooting.
Hannah, have you installed the most recent software update from T-Mobile? Menu-Settings-About phone-Build number should display 2.73.110.26 if it's current.
Also uninstall Advanced Task Killer for now. The closer the handset is to the default, the better it is for troubleshooting.
Yes, my third replacement is the above build number.
ATK now uninstalled
(Edit) Right - now how do I find out what apps are still running, and how do I turn them off?
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Yes, my third replacement is the above build number.
Great, one less variable to worry about.
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Can you list any other third-party apps you still have installed? This will help with the troubleshooting process too, as someone else may have come across an obscure interaction between apps that could be causing problems.
Don't worry, once we know what we're dealing with we'll do our best to sort it out.
I had difficulty with my home WiFi until I went into my router settings and disabled b/g mixed mode (it's a simple b/g router, no fancy 802.11n stuff). For whatever reason, the moment I did that, it connected without a problem. I'm using WPA2 and the phone is a Samsung Moment, which isn't even from the same manufacturer, but it can't hurt to try.
Typical reply from an HTC up the USB devotee there But yes, I'll certainly make a new post in an HTC forum later. Looking forward to having a phone to be proud of to having a phone to be proud of. Meanwhile am off out for Paddys Day Cya tomorrow
How exactly am I "devoted" to HTC when I don't own an HTC device?
Yep, definately making it up as he goes along
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I had difficulty with my home WiFi until I went into my router settings and disabled b/g mixed mode (it's a simple b/g router, no fancy 802.11n stuff). For whatever reason, the moment I did that, it connected without a problem. I'm using WPA2 and the phone is a Samsung Moment, which isn't even from the same manufacturer, but it can't hurt to try.
When you say 'no fancy 802.11n stuff', my router actually has that setting - 802.11 Mixed (n/g/b), but theres also the option to drop down to Mixed (g/b) or to 802.11n only. So I'm presuming it wouldnt work?
I don't think the Hero has 802.11n, so n-only mode probably wouldn't work. g-only works for me but as I said, I'm on a different phone. I guess try b/g mixed, and also try using a different encryption from what you're using now, or try turning off encryption entirely.
I would send the phone back and ask for a replacement, sounds duff to me!
I would, but this is my third replacement for the same call/texts and wifi faults.
Everyone concerned (including me) has given it up as a bad job, and of course no-one will admit to responsibility.
Am just waiting for this new OS version coming out before I bin it for good.
Oh dear, hope you have better luck, I have occasional problems with mine dropping calls mainly in bad service area's and the occasional text delayed by 24 hours, and lack of Voice mail logo, but I had thAt on my old Samsung WinMo unit, I put it down to network (Orange) as opposed to a phone issue.
I can see where youre coming from as re Orange - I left them two years ago for their bad reception and bollox excuse issues. Their most common excuse for bad reception was (really!!!) - sunspots affecting the Birmingham node
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When you say 'no fancy 802.11n stuff', my router actually has that setting - 802.11 Mixed (n/g/b), but theres also the option to drop down to Mixed (g/b) or to 802.11n only. So I'm presuming it wouldnt work?
I had endless problems trying to get a stable connection to my 802.11 b/g/n router. In the end i restricted the router's behaviour to b/g only and that fixed all of the wifi issues i was having.
Very annoying since the whole point of the standard is backwards compatibility, but the official excuse is that the 'n' standard has only just be ratified and so any router older than, say, 6 months isnt actually running the official 'n' standard. Which, of course, is utter bullshit, since every other b/g mode device i own manages to connect to the router when its in b/g/n mode perfectly happily.
So, yeah, turn your router down to b/g only and see if that helps. If it does you only have to live with the knowledge that your expensive state of the art router is limited to running at the same speed as the old router you replaced with it.
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I had endless problems trying to get a stable connection to my 802.11 b/g/n router. In the end i restricted the router's behaviour to b/g only and that fixed all of the wifi issues i was having.
Very annoying since the whole point of the standard is backwards compatibility, but the official excuse is that the 'n' standard has only just be ratified and so any router older than, say, 6 months isnt actually running the official 'n' standard. Which, of course, is utter bullshit, since every other b/g mode device i own manages to connect to the router when its in b/g/n mode perfectly happily.
So, yeah, turn your router down to b/g only and see if that helps. If it does you only have to live with the knowledge that your expensive state of the art router is limited to running at the same speed as the old router you replaced with it.
Looking at it logically, I'd say that a (b/g/n) setting would work for devices running at the 'b' standard, and at the 'g' standard, and at the 'n' standard.
We're obviously not looking at logic here......
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Looking at it logically, I'd say that a (b/g/n) setting would work for devices running at the 'b' standard, and at the 'g' standard, and at the 'n' standard.
We're obviously not looking at logic here......
Yes, it's supposed to. But it doesnt - not for my router anyhow.
Youre right, we're not looking at logic, we're looking at real world implementations of high frequency radio - very very messy analogue stuff. You have to bear in mind that this stuff is extremely complex and incompatibilities can occur - especially bearing in mind that most routers n-mode implementations were done before the standard was introduced. And sometimes things just dont work together as they were supposed to.
It sucks, and IMO it's definitely HTC's cockup (like i say, every other b/g device connects fine when the router is in b/g/n mode), but sometimes thats the way things are, and you might as well try restricting your router to b/g only and see if that helps. If that does help, then at least it narrows the problem down, and you can badger either HTC or the router's manufacturer and try and get it fixed (good luck with that, they will each blame the other ).
Also check your router for firmware updates.
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Yes, it's supposed to. But it doesnt - not for my router anyhow.
Youre right, we're not looking at logic, we're looking at real world implementations of high frequency radio - very very messy analogue stuff. You have to bear in mind that this stuff is extremely complex and incompatibilities can occur - especially bearing in mind that most routers n-mode implementations were done before the standard was introduced. And sometimes things just dont work together as they were supposed to.
It sucks, and IMO it's definitely HTC's cockup (like i say, every other b/g device connects fine when the router is in b/g/n mode), but sometimes thats the way things are, and you might as well try restricting your router to b/g only and see if that helps. If that does help, then at least it narrows the problem down, and you can badger either HTC or the router's manufacturer and try and get it fixed (good luck with that, they will each blame the other ).
Also check your router for firmware updates.
Hey, thats worked!
Thanks for that!
Right, I'll get onto HTC and virginmedia then.....
Great news, well done! Now let's try to get your mobile network fixed.... Once you have a full range of connection options it'll be easier to tackle everything else.
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Its a slower connection speed though, so am expecting problems later when the networks get busy
I wouldn't worry. Your external cable connection is unaffected, only internal wireless links. I doubt you'll notice much difference tbh.
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So I had a look around and the t-mob g2 touch seems to have some connectivity problems with 3G, similar to the problems you have mentioned. They seem to be less frequent/fixed by reverting the phone to 2G and disabling 3G. If you try this now and see if the problems still occur that would be good. Means a slightly lower internet speed but if it makes your phone more stable its probably a good idea.
(Also it seems this issue may be fixed with the roll out of android 2.1 for your phone.)
To manually force 2G mode do the following:
Settings > wireless controls > mobile network settings > Select 'use only 2G settings'
I tried that before and thought - 'why on earth am I downgrading my phone so that it may or may not work?'
Which is when the trusty Nokia resurfaced to become the most needed phone app for an HTC user.
HOWEVER - now that I have WiFi working, will that override the 3G signal and render the dropped calls and sms cured?
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I tried that before and thought - 'why on earth am I downgrading my phone so that it may or may not work?'
Which is when the trusty Nokia resurfaced to become the most needed phone app for an HTC user.
HOWEVER - now that I have WiFi working, will that override the 3G signal and render the dropped calls and sms cured?
When you are connected to WiFi possibly, I'd suggest adding the 3G toggle widget to your phone desktop and turning it off when if WiFi range just to make sure though. It seems to be a T-Mobile problem rather than a Hero problem too.
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Now this is the point.
Before I started using the Hero, I'd never have considered that an internet setting would have affected whether or not you could make/receive calls/texts. MMS yes, as you have settings for those, but calls and texts I'd assume were all handled by the standard network signal.
I actually have a WiFi on/off widget and leave it turned on now as it only actually uses WiFi when its asked to, for eg when the HSPD signal drops to 3G, or POSSIBLY when a call or sms needs to be sent or recieved?
Am going to leave it for a few weeks now and see if all is well, and if this turns out to be the case, many thanks for all your help - its like I have a fighting chance of the Hero working properly now!
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Yeah try it, if it still drops calls, etc then try dropping it down to 2G. If it still causes problems you might like to use the 3G toggle widget to turn it off whenever you dont need it.
But its just theory anyway, hope it works for you. Anyway according to reports android 2.1 update is only a couple weeks away and that might solve the problems properly without us having to find a workaround.
As the problem is an occasional intermittent one, its impossible to predict when, and indeed if - a call or sms has been missed. One month should be a fair testing period, but as you say, the new version 2.1 may render this whole excercise obsolete anyway. But if nothing else, its been worth it to get the WiFi working and proving that the knowledge base in here exceeds that of both TMobile and HTC combined, who both considered the issue as a fatal flaw in software.
Hey, my concerns about downgrading a setting on the WiFi issue were unfounded - all connections to all laptops and games consoles are actually enhanced on the (b/g) setting!
However - another problem has arisen - more an extreme annoyance than a problem, but here goes -
I downloaded Mabillo Ringtones to get my old message tone back and 'set as notification tone' on the app itself. The sms tone was still a default HTC one after this, but the Email notification had changed to the new ringtone.
So I followed the instructions set out earlier in this thread re setting a ringtone by putting it into a folder and it worked, but the annoying problem is now that on an SMS notification, the message tone goes off twice. The email tone is dead right, playing once. So how do I set the SMS tone to only play once?
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