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Old September 6th, 2009, 08:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Getting a Hero next month and from an initial search on the web their doesn't seem to be an easy way to port over calendar and contacts from my centro to the Hero. Looks like it can be done (I don't use outlook) but just wondered if there were any easy tools, e.g., Sprite, that work for the old Palm OS.

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I think the key to doing this the easiest way would be to think in terms of getting from Palm --> Google, then everything follows once you're running android because you're syncing with that by default. I haven't personally gone through the process but a quick search found this:

En.dogeno.us – previous CaiLog How-To Sync contacts from Palm to Google for iphone or Android etc

That's rather techie and fidgity, though... someone else may know of a utility.

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Thanks DT,

I ran across that thread myself, that is a bit quirky. I am pretty sure I can get most of my data into Google one way or the other but I'm not looking forward to it.

I would think that with several new HTC/Android phones hitting the market this fall there may be more of us old Palm users--for whom the Pre just doesn't cut it--going Android. Maybe demand will go up enough to warrant a utility.
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I would think that with several new HTC/Android phones hitting the market this fall there may be more of us old Palm users--for whom the Pre just doesn't cut it--going Android. Maybe demand will go up enough to warrant a utility.
I have come from an old Palm Treo 650. Much as I like the Hero, it is not a PIM in the sense that PalmOS devices were. The calendar is OK but does not support categories (and neither does Google Calendar) and there is nothing like Memos or ToDo on the Hero that sychronises as well to the desktop.

The Android market is maturing so I am sure that alternative applications will appear over time. I don't think that there will ever be anything as simple as HotSynch for synching data and backing up the device. With my Treo I could do a hard reset and have the device exactly as it was before the wipe in 5 minutes. As I contemplate and rooting and reflashing process, I think it will take much more than 5 minutes to get my Hero back to the way is was after a full wipe.

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Nice to hear from a fellow palm vet! I had a 650 myself before the centro and I do realize the PIM functionality is going to take some work-arounds. How bloody difficult is it to have a decent native calender app? I really don't get it. I am hoping the Hero will be a little better than the Pre in that regard.

It looks like SplashID is available now for android though Epocrates is not.

Bottom line, I can't wait to get my hands on the little beauty. Oct. 11, ETF to Verizon, and I'm porting over.
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Add my name to that fellow Palm vet list. I've been using PalmIII, PalmV, Tungsten T3, Treo 680, and now finally a Galaxy.

Can't say I'm too happy about the PIM apps, either. Creating a calendar entry (say, while talking to a friend) was a matter of 20-some seconds with Palm, but about 2 minutes on Android. Oh, Graffiti, how I miss thee!

I like to say (well I don't like it, but I find it accurate) that on a Palm you have an address book, but on any other modern smartphone you have a phone book. The implication here is that there's no way to manage personal/work/other groups, though GMail on the web has it; there's no way to view birthdays and anniversaries though GMail on the web has it, there's ... no use to stay on a dead platform while the world moves on.

But back on topic, do a search here for CSV. What I did was to make a giant CSV export from Palm Desktop, and then I spent a number of evenings getting GMail to accept the data (it will only import some of the fields it's capable of storing, I hope this will improve).

Welcome to the Android platform, and good luck.
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I like to say (well I don't like it, but I find it accurate) that on a Palm you have an address book, but on any other modern smartphone you have a phone book. The implication here is that there's no way to manage personal/work/other groups, though GMail on the web has it; there's no way to view birthdays and anniversaries though GMail on the web has it, there's ... no use to stay on a dead platform while the world moves on.
It is harder if you don't use Outlook. I am using multiple Google Calendars synched with Outlook using Companion Link (which synchs Outlook categories into individual Google Calendars) but using HTC Sych with Outlook for my addressbook, as the native Hero Contacts application is quite good when linked with Outlook and understands categories/groups. Unfortunately, not many other applications understand categories - it would be good to be able to set up a Locale situation for work calls based on the Work category for contacts, but you can only select individual contacts.

I think that Agendus are working on an Android version of their calendar app. I prefered Datebk on my Palm, but Agendus would do!

I am optimistic. Palm had 10 years to refine their PIM applications, and Google and the Android Community have only just started!

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Can't say I'm too happy about the PIM apps, either. Creating a calendar entry (say, while talking to a friend) was a matter of 20-some seconds with Palm, but about 2 minutes on Android.
Oh man, say it isn't so. That is precisely what I need to do. If it's Monday and I want to rapidly schedule someone in next Monday, I need to look back and forth at last Monday next Monday, etc., zip zip, one click, zero seconds on the centro. If there is no way to do this sort of thing it could be a deal breaker for me.

Truth is I have never really played with an Adnroid phone. I have worked a bit with the Pre and while WebOS is slick in some ways the PIM functions are about kiddy-school level. Weird strategy from the palm software devs.

If as J says, Agendus is working on an an android app then there is definitely hope.

First things first though, I need to try and import, without injuring, as much of my contacts/calendar data as possible. So any tips from former palm converts (or Android techies) will be greatly appreciated.
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It is harder if you don't use Outlook. I am using multiple Google Calendars synched with Outlook using Companion Link (which synchs Outlook categories into individual Google Calendars) but using HTC Sych with Outlook for my addressbook, as the native Hero Contacts application is quite good when linked with Outlook and understands categories/groups. Unfortunately, not many other applications understand categories - it would be good to be able to set up a Locale situation for work calls based on the Work category for contacts, but you can only select individual contacts.
That sounds great j! I am going to start moving to Outlook tomorrow so I can ultimately utilize something similar to your multiple Google Calendar/synch system.
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First things first though, I need to try and import, without injuring, as much of my contacts/calendar data as possible. So any tips from former palm converts (or Android techies) will be greatly appreciated.
If you have access to Outlook and have Pocket Mirror still available for your Palm, then using your Palm to synch data into Outlook using Pocket Mirror is probably the easiest route. You could then use HTC Synch to copy the data to your phone. If you don't use categories in your calendar entries then you could use this route to keep your Palm Desktop in synch with the Hero on a regular basis, using Outlook at a "go-between". The Hero does not support categories in the Calendar.

You can also export data from Palm Desktop as a CSV file but you would probably need to do some tweaking of the data and you may still need to use Outlook as a half way point.

You can export contacts in the Palm Desktop as vCards and import them into the Hero contacts database (I think there is an application in the market which will help - search for vCard). This does not help with the calendar.

You could use CompanionLink to export calendar and contacts into Google Calendar / gmail and from there to your phone. CompanionLink is quite expensive, so might be a bit much for a one-off transfer.

I am sure you will get some other ideas from people.

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Former palmaholic here as well. I am loving the Hero. The calendar is not perfect, but MUCH better than the Pre. I am VERY happy with the switch. I imported my palm files into google using companionlink. That got the data in there and now I just use google and the hero.
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Hi!

I'm also a former Palm user who switched to Android because the Pre could not convince me. I was looking for a way to migrate my Palm calendar to my Android phone when I found this thread. But I neither liked to pay for a software I would only use once, nor did I like to use Outlook (at all). So finally I came up with an own solution. Here it is:

http://pdbconverter.shredzone.org

It's a small Java tool that converts Palm pdb files into more common file formats.

Mainly it converts the Calendar database into iCalendar, which can be imported into the Google Calendar. The iCalendar file contains all of your Palm's calendar information, like repeating schedules (and exceptions), alarms, locations, notes, categories and the "secret" flag.

There is also a converter for converting the Palm address book to a vCard file. This converter does not work that well because of limitations of the vCard format and the way Palm stores addresses, but I guess it's still better than nothing.

Other databases can be converted into XML and ZIP files, for post-processing with other converter tools.

I hope some of you will find the tool as useful as I did. It's open source and free, and it's currently beta so be a little careful. Your feedback is appreciated!
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I'm a long, long-time Palm user myself (not Palm Pre, just the old-school PDA Palms like the old Palm Pilot and the Palm Tungsten E and most recently the Palm T/X) -- at one time, I had a collection of old Palms in a drawer, along with some Sharp Wizards (man, I loved those ol' Wizards!)

The more I read about options for migrating my Palm data into GMail in order to get ready to sync up with the Android phone I'm getting (the new Motorola Droid!), the more I've concluded that for a guy like me, who is NOT tech-savvy, the most prudent course is for me to just reenter all my contacts afresh, into GMail.

Some of the methods I've read about to try and convert Palm contact and calendar into into GMail are, to me, the equivalent of having to figure out how to rewire my home's electric circuitry, whereas I'm the kinda guy who can barely figure out how to change a lightbulb!

And I'm be damned if I'm gonna first convert stuff into Outlook. I've lived this long and gone this far without EVER using MS Outlook and I sure don't want to start now!

Actually, reentering the contact info isn't so bad. For one thing, I'm sure that as I start, I'll find many contacts that I no longer really need, and I can just whittle away at my list and start afresh with the ones that are more active. That still will involve a lot of typing, but it's do-able.

As to entries in my Palm calendar, I don't see any pressing need to import the last 5 years of my calendar into Google Calendar -- I'll just start afresh with Google Calendar entries effective November 6 (Droid day).
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Fellow Palmy here... had a Treo 755p & loved it SO MUCH! For some reason, I thought the Samsung Moment would be a fun upgrade. UGH! I can't stand it! Yes, it's a great "toy" with all the fun apps & fantastic web viewing... but functionally (contacts & most importantly, the calendar/categories) it is rather sub-par. Luckily, I'm still within my 30 days, so unless I can find a 30-day color coded calendar view, this sucker is going back. I already know my email accounts are screwy via the email app &/or Google's gmail, so it already has 2 strikes against it. The calendar is the ultimate deal breaker.

Has anyone found a 3rd party calendar app that works like the Palm calendar?

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Best super fast but not cheap Path for Palm Calendar is bda2csv. It will copy your palmdesktop calendar right into google calendar.

I found the easiest path for Contact... Again from the desktop export your contacts into Vcards... even the birthdays will export perfectly.

I exported my palm contacts in their categories as separate Vcards and they gave them similar names in google.
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Rick - you say it transfers the calendar, but does it give you a colorful 30-day view? Or is it the standard "all green" 30-day Google view??
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Its in color and look great on the phone too...
The issue is that the Google calendar does not shore a full month... I have took many items and it truncates them even when you print--uhg.

On the phone the week at a glance in vert mode is unreadable...

Agenda mode on the phone is the easiest mode to use.

Also on the calendar... Aurora seach in a must have for calendar searching.

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here's a few links. I'm in the midst of this myself. I'll try to get back and report my experience when I'm (substantially) done with the move.

These have all been very helpfull.

PdbConverter - Index - shredzone.org

Palm contacts -> Google - Android Community Forums

Can I import my Palm Desktop Calendar to Google - Calendar Help

shredzone website / wiki has lots of good tech type info and links.
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Another Palmy here... still have a 10 yr. old Sony Clie', sitting in its charger, on my desk. I had several Sharp Wizards before that.

The thing I miss most is the ability to drag & drop contacts, with all their info, into the calender! Day, Week, Month & Year views were also a tremendous help.

I spent the extra $$$ on a Hero, so I wouldn't have to carry multiple devices, with the understanding that, with its open architecture, new apps will be written as demand dictates.

From what I've read here, it sounds like there is no shortage of demand!

I NEED a decent scheduler!
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Well, I finally got my calendar data from my Treo 700 and 755 into my gmail calendar, thanks to our buddy "shred". It took some time and fooling around, but my data back to my 1999 Handspring got saved and moved. (Sounds almost like a spiritual thing!!!)

My contacts however, are in waiting. Just for the sake of those that might "lurk" this thread, and not realize the issues here, let me spell out a thing or 2.

In PalmOS devices, even going back further than mine, when you create a new contact you are given 6 places, each to store 1 of 7 different types of contact string, and 1 place for an address of 3 different types. The 6 places for 7 types can be in any order for any contact. THAT is why a simple csv file export won't work to other contact managers. Most other contact managers have fixed fields for entry of each of those types of contact character strings. In Palms, you can have 6 work phone numbers for 1 contact, 5 home phones and a pager for another, 1 home phone, 1 pager, 1 mobile, 2 emails and a FAX for somebody else, etc, etc..

That's why I personally feel that PalmOS has not been equaled in contact management. Since Android is "open", this leaves some opportunity, and hope, that it will come up with a better contact management system than Outlook, vCard, Blackberry, Yahoo, or the present gmail contacts. I think it'd be awesome if "shred" or Richard (or the 2 of them), OR SOMEBODY, would build an Android app that does all that, sell it on the marketplace and get rich and provide all the rest of us with a good, open, solid contact manager!

Wow, I feel better now.......

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.... did I mention "Tasks" yet?
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Hiya gang! Funny how birds of a feather hang together.

Regarding importing contacts: I exported all my contacts as vcards/vcf (?) and imported them directly into the google cloud, my gmail account. From there, very quickly they were pushed to my phone. Very fast and simple.

Of everything, I miss being able to color code calendar stuff the most.

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I just converted from Treo to Moto Droid and it was easy thanks to the tips in this thread.
For the calendar I used Shred's converter athttp://pdbconverter.shredzone.org
Shred's converter allows you to control the date range you pull so you don't overwhelm Gmail's Calendar as it tries to upload your stuff. Excellent converter! Thanks, Shred.

My contacts required some manual effort in Notepad (I have > 1000) but not too much. From Palm Desktop I exported my contacts as Vcards (.vcf). Then did a Search & Replace on:
Replace =0D=0A with a comma or special character of your choosing.
Replace X-Palm-Custom1: with NOTE:
Replace EMAIL: when it stands alone with EMAIL;HOME;INTERNET: or EMAIL;WORK;INTERNET: as the case may be.

Then I imported the final contact file into GMail without trouble.
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Another Palmy here... still have a 10 yr. old Sony Clie', sitting in its charger, on my desk. I had several Sharp Wizards before that.

The thing I miss most is the ability to drag & drop contacts, with all their info, into the calender! Day, Week, Month & Year views were also a tremendous help.

I spent the extra $$$ on a Hero, so I wouldn't have to carry multiple devices, with the understanding that, with its open architecture, new apps will be written as demand dictates.

From what I've read here, it sounds like there is no shortage of demand!

I NEED a decent scheduler!
Same here. Migrated from a Treo 680 and I'm suffering with the pre-historic PIM apps on the Android. One of the things that is bothering me the most is the inability to go back arbitrarily in time, in order to check an appointment from 6 months ago, or see which day of the week was 2009-07-03, for example. Currently I'm being forced to carry around both my Treo and my Moto Dext, but in a couple of months that won't even be possible as my appointments will be only in Google Calendar.

If you or anyone else in the thread finds a decent scheduler please do post it here! I'd be willing to pay 20 USDs for it.
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My contacts required some manual effort in Notepad (I have > 1000) but not too much. From Palm Desktop I exported my contacts as Vcards (.vcf). Then did a Search & Replace on:
Replace =0D=0A with a comma or special character of your choosing.
Replace X-Palm-Custom1: with NOTE:
Replace EMAIL: when it stands alone with EMAIL;HOME;INTERNET: or EMAIL;WORK;INTERNET: as the case may be.

Then I imported the final contact file into GMail without trouble.
This is very helpful too. I'm working on the manual effort in Notepad. I think the string for the Palm note in my version is "X-PALM-CUSTOM;1:" note the semicolon before the '1'. Just to help others who might be working on it. Another resource is to have the field names handy for vcards, available at vCard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .Also I'm seeing a lot of chatter that it matters greatly whether you have Palm desktop 4.x or 6.x. (unfortunately, I 'upgraded' to an unlocked centro last summer, meaning I'm on 6.x. 4.x's are pointing to palmreader - Project Hosting on Google Code as a solution).
See also:
Can I import my Palm Desktop Calendar to Google - Calendar Help

After reading through the links I gave up on the manual vcard editing and just did CompanionLink (14 day free trial with full functionality) for everything and it seems to have worked pretty well: all repeating events are there for the year and all contacts are adjusted to lastname, firstname. Two problems so far (relatively minor): I liked to use the Palm calendar to take notes and reminders that I would then set to move forward everyday. I need to figure out how to make this happen in Google without making them appear on every day. Also all to-do's are transfered to the current day in google calendar and all memos are transfered to new contact categories. I think there's a memo app in Android I might try to dump those into. Looks like I'm finally saying so long to palm after 13 years (since the original US Robotics ones)!
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Also all to-do's are transfered to the current day in google calendar and all memos are transfered to new contact categories. I think there's a memo app in Android I might try to dump those into. Looks like I'm finally saying so long to palm after 13 years (since the original US Robotics ones)!
MrKen we hear you! Tasks can't be transferred to Google because Google lacks a task api. Click on the "star" on this thread to vote to raise the priority. As of this writing 2200 people have clicked

Issue 987 - gdata-issues - Request API for Tasks

With no Task API, Google left the Task App off the phone. Duh. Also, Google had a notes app called Notebook, but it was deprecated a year ago and isn't available.

CompanionLink for Google compensates by putting tasks in the Calendar. To keep the Calendar "fresh" we move all PAST DUE tasks to today. That way unfinished items don't get lost in the past. To get them to spread out, put them on FUTURE DAYS. Tasks with due dates in the future will appear on the date they are due.

CompanionLink for Google puts Memos into the Contacts list. I was reluctant to go this route, but at least it gets them to the phone. This process is off by default because what we really need is a Google Memos App which doesn't exist.

CompanionLink has another option. CompanionLink USB will use wired sync direcly to your Droid, Nexus or other Android phone. By cutting out Google's Cloud service, we are not constrained by their lack of APIs. So with CompanionLink USB you get Contacts, Calendar, Tasks and Memos directly synced to your phone. On the phone side download CL USB Sync App from the Google App Marketplace to get Task and Memo apps that work a lot like old Palm Treos work.

CompanionLink USB has been out for less than 30 days. The Calendar is very primitive, showing just a day list for now. We are trying hard to support the onboard Calendar on the phones. But guess what; there's no API for Android Calendars. Look for week by week progress on that front for the next two months as the Calendar gets a better integration.

Both products cost $39.95 but you can try and use them free for 15 days. The two products cross license, so if you buy one you can switch to the other without charge. You don't want to use both at the same time, because moving your data two different ways results in two copies of your data on the phone.

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Google Droid, Nexus and Android sync for Outlook, Palm Desktop, Lotus Notes and ACT!

CompanionLink is the rare App that offers free US based telephone technical support, as well as email support. So if you have questions or it doesn't work smoothly, just give a call and the team will help you out.

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With no Task API, Google left the Task App off the phone. Duh. Also, Google had a notes app called Notebook, but it was deprecated a year ago and isn't available.
Definitely these are two APIs that are essential to anyone trying to deploy a PIM platform. I think the Google Docs solution, as proposed by the Notebook's dev-team is not really a good alternative. If Google takes Android seriously as a PIM platform, they should really get the Notebook API back up and develop a decent Task API.

I still couldn't find a decent notetaking application with syncing (and preferably no ads..) . Any recommendations?
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If Google takes Android seriously as a PIM platform, they should really get the Notebook API back up and develop a decent Task API.

I still couldn't find a decent notetaking application with syncing (and preferably no ads..) . Anyone recommendation?
fhrosa, We take it seriously, and a small company like CompanionLink can move faster than Google. Count on a better Notes solution, notepad and synchronization through google, from CompanionLink within 10 weeks. It's in process now.

In the mean time, our CL USB Sync has Memos and direct sync for Memos in a Palm OS-like manner, since our direct sync is not not limited by Google APIs.

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Great to hear that your company is working on it. Please keep us informed if there are any news so we can try it out. I'd be willing to pay for both the Tasks and the Memo apps.

Also, I don't know if you're planning to sell these applications via Android Market, but if you do, please also consider selling them directly via the website and then making available the .apk file for download, so as to not alienate foreign users like me who can't buy anything on the Android Market.
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Hi fellow "Treonauts", I registered because I've been reading these posts and sharpening my Google-fu in trying to solve this same probelm. Today I spent quite a bit of time getting all the data from my Treo 650 into Google and I think I've succeeded. I recently bought a HTC G1 and while nothing compares to the speed and elegant simplicity of PalmOS 5 and the Treo, one must look to the advantage of new technology! I'm a Palm OS veteran having owned my Treo for the last 4 years and owning various other Palm devices beginning with the Sony Clie.

Calender - this seemed daunting and I came across a bunch of apps that work if you pay or non-maintained programs that only work with Palm Desktop if it is a non 6.2+ version. If you have Palm Desktop 4.1 or lower then you're lucky and can export as a datebook archive and then import into into a MyYahoo account calendar for free. Then just export as iCal and import into Google Calender. If like me you're using Palm Desktop 6.2.2 then the format of the datebook file is not supported there. What I did was to download CompanionLink for Google (free download of eval version here: Trial Software Download). You need a Google account first. This will handle calender data and tasks by importing them into your nominated Google calender. I created a calender called "Palm" in Google for the import just in case things went wrong. They didn't and I need not have bothered with that step, Android has the ability to display a merged view of several calenders on your phone or web. I had approx 10 years of data and a cursory glance shows it has imported fine, even recurring events look OK.

Memos - I just saved as text file from Palm Desktop and have imported this into my Google Docs account. Not ideal but at least I have my data for later data munging.

Update:
Apparantly the Android app "Note Everything" can import memos pretty well. See the home page of this project for the procedure: http://www.softxperience.mobi/86-1-Import-Palm.html


Yaps - I have a password safe and decided to export the data to a memo so this is catered for in the above step. Obviously this is not an ideal solution as your passwords are now stored unencrypted but the memo export from Yaps is in a logical format so I can munge this data later. For desktops, I intend to use KeePass Password Safe on Ubuntu or Windows. On the Android, Password Safe Lite (free) looks pretty good.

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In case anyone is interested, I used some Perl to create a converter program that takes a YAPS exported memo and converts it to KeePassX XML format:
http://opticalgarbage.com/yaps2keepassx/convert.perl

Contacts - use the CompanionLink step above for this. I did this before the Calender step and solved it by exporting the Contacts to vCal format which Google will import as-is. I have a lot of data cleaning to do here though as some of my contacts are "un-named".

Other sources of info that may be useful:
Can I import my Palm Desktop Calendar to Google - Calendar Help
DeepWave Convert your PalmOS Calendar to iCal

Some of my approach was gleaned from a chap called David, from his blog:
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I've finally returned to the problem a bit and endorse the use of NoteEverything, which will import a csv exported from Palm Desktop (INCLUDING 6.x). Very important to export in the right order and to make sure you are exporting everything and also to de-check 'private'. (I had to uninstall and reinstall once to clear a .csv that was exported out of order. - They have a how-to page linkable from the handset when you first try to do it; follow it precisely.)

Then go in to 'contacts' in gmail on your computer (not your handset), search for everything |M|, select all, and delete the annoying memos that are populating your contact list. Sorry CompanionLink, that was a good workaround to keep the data from evaporating, but now that there's a place to put it, we need to get rid of the memos in the contacts.

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Well, I wish I hadn't gotten my Treo 755 wet back in August, it was just fine until then....

So I'm stuck with this droid, and my own setup is something like this:
NoteEverything - best memo / note app I've yet used on the droid
NE GDocs (tool for NoteEverything)
GDocs- somewhat useful
MobileWrite- graffiti, need I say more? (OK, it needs some better settings)
Contact Search+ - without which I would have probably pitched my droid.

"shred" was vital to my data migration; priceless.

I was only a sporadic user of the Palms Tasks or To-Do function, so, while I'm not pleased with this droid as a task-managment tool, I haven't let it bug me too much.

The preceeding info may be helpful to some, but I'm still hoping for better.

Contacts on the Droid SUCK. Contacts on gmail when accessed from a laptop or desktop using Firefox or IE are still inferior to Palm Desktop or Outlook (inter-alia).

We need a Contacts app on the Droid (and other 'droids) that is as straightforward, easy to use, stable, and complete as the address book app from the Palms, Handsprings, and Clies. Either that, or we need to be able to return these lousy things for full credit, and our carriers continue to sell and support old models of Treos.

I PRAY that an app dev or Google or SOMEBODY will write an app to REPLACE the LOUSY "contacts" function of the Android OS, with something better than anything Google has yet given us for managing OUR contact data. Palm gave us a very good tool long ago, and they lost their position and market share by not continuing to support their own stuff or adapt. You know, at some point all these kids that are carrying all these "ipods with a built in phone and google maps too" will grow up to the point of wanting good PIM functionality also.
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> I PRAY that an app dev or Google or SOMEBODY will write an app to REPLACE the LOUSY "contacts" function of the Android OS

Tranzz, funny you should post that today. The key feature of our "USB Sync for Outlook" App update last week was the introduction of a new Contact app to replace the Android "contacts" function. It is much faster, has better sort keys, and gives many functions common to old PDA phonebook applications like the use of Custom Fields and Categories.

You may want to check it out. Just download USB Sync for Outlook from the Android Marketplace. It's free, but to use it you'll want the PC-Side sync which runs $39.95 from CompanionLink.

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Well, I must say that sounds great! I've been "meaning to" check out the CL website. Perhaps I should this very instant, but I want to say that I first came across CompanionLink 7 or more years ago, and at that time determined it was not for me; I am NOT a user of Outlook (or any of MS Office).

Tell us, why would any of us that don't use outlook would want to use CompanionLink? Are you now selling a product that will give us an alternative to Outlook or Palm Desktop on our computers, as well as a "PDA" app for our android devices which will use "the cloud" to keep those 2 devices synchronized (as well as give us access from other systems)? If so, what specifically is it called, and how does it meet our needs?

It may be that you feel that this thread isn't the proper place to do this. If that's the case, please at least give us a link to a thread or page that does tell us.
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Tranzz, this forum is fine. The elves at CompanionLink have been very busy with some changes and it will impact DROID users a lot!

Our CL USB Sync product is rapidly morphing into a new App which will soon be named "DejaOffice". The concept is to capture all the great features of the past, like a solid implementation of the "classic four"; Contacts, Calendar, Tasks and Memos. Add common PC features like Calendar items linked to Contacts, Categories with colors, and decent size notes attached to all record types. Finally, lots of options to sync and back up to PC, Cloud or wherever, to insure if your phone takes a drop your data is secure for when the replacement arrives.

DejaOffice will be standalone. No sync needed. Already we can connect to PC Outlook, Palm Desktop, Lotus Notes, and ACT! using CompanionLink's existing sync systems. By late-April we'll have some system in place to use Google as a datastore for Contacts and Calendar. I'm not sure right now whether we'll trade data onboard with the onboard ActiveSync enabled applications (push), or create an independent gdata connector to poll google or sync-on-demand (can't be push). Or both. There are pros and cons for both approaches.

The use case is for be better integration of PIM features than with the onboard apps, improved functionality, search, sort, CRM, more options to sync/back up your data, and cross platform compatibility so your next phone will run it too.

The current CL USB Sync will likely get one more push before the branding change. "DejaOffice 2010" should appear by mid-late April, and will have some sort of Google wireless at that time. The product will continue to gain features through the spring. Initially it will be free. At some point it will become advertising supported (admob) with a $9.99 in-app purchase option for those who wish to turn the ads off. Overall we hope this offers a full range of free options, paid options, and value-based services for a wide variety of needs, and a profit motive for our team to make it great.
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Just bought an Motorola Droid today - very sadly leaving Palm after 13 yrs from Palm Pilot Professional to Treo (981 memos, 2675 contacts, thankfully almost no Calendar or Tasks). Thanks to all for the many tips. I would actually have waited to test some of these solutions, esp. for the memos but the Verizon guy gave me $50 off to buy today along with MiFi wireless purchase. Enough history...

My problems are a little different. My loyalty to Palm was due mostly to the Desktop on PC, not the devices (altho I am learning that I probably took way too much for granted in terms of PDA/PIM capabilities like Contacts, Search etc.) As I migrate, I really do not want everything to be stored out in some Google cloud. As much as possible, I would prefer to be synching or copying to my PC and accessible there and on the phone whether I am online or not.
Is that how NoteEverything works?
Ditto on the contacts - I really want to synch to my own PC if possible.
It isn't clear to me which if any of the apps discussed do that.
Finally, the calendar posts all talk about 2x4 3x4 4x4. What does that mean?
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Just bought an Motorola Droid today - very sadly leaving Palm after 13 yrs from Palm Pilot Professional to Treo (981 memos, 2675 contacts, thankfully almost no Calendar or Tasks). <SNIP>
Is that how NoteEverything works?
Ditto on the contacts - I really want to synch to my own PC if possible.
It isn't clear to me which if any of the apps discussed do that.
Finally, the calendar posts all talk about 2x4 3x4 4x4. What does that mean?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
sounds like we're in a similar boat and it seems like these guys will be our knights in shining armor - Deja Office - Business & productivity apps for your phone or tablet
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Just bought an Motorola Droid today - very sadly leaving Palm after 13 yrs from Palm Pilot Professional to Treo (981 memos, 2675 contacts, thankfully almost no Calendar or Tasks). Thanks to all for the many tips. I would actually have waited to test some of these solutions, esp. for the memos but the Verizon guy gave me $50 off to buy today along with MiFi wireless purchase. Enough history...

My problems are a little different. My loyalty to Palm was due mostly to the Desktop on PC, not the devices (altho I am learning that I probably took way too much for granted in terms of PDA/PIM capabilities like Contacts, Search etc.) As I migrate, I really do not want everything to be stored out in some Google cloud. As much as possible, I would prefer to be synching or copying to my PC and accessible there and on the phone whether I am online or not.
Is that how NoteEverything works?
Ditto on the contacts - I really want to synch to my own PC if possible.
It isn't clear to me which if any of the apps discussed do that.
Finally, the calendar posts all talk about 2x4 3x4 4x4. What does that mean?
Thanks in advance for any replies.

Well, you've luckily still got a few weeks to mess with it before bringing it back! The post about CompanionLink and DejaOffice might be worth looking into for you. Did you yet realize that the Droid doesn't do hands free dialing or place and redial calls thru Bluetooth properly either? I kinda ignored it, but now we've got hands-free laws in WA, sizeable fines, and cops looking for anything to write a ticket for. The Droid is a lousy phone, and a lousy PDA, it's a lousy GPS too. If your Treo is still functional, you can bring the Droid back after messing with it for a couple weeks, then try an HTC phone and see what you think. Check out Issues - android - Project Hosting on Google Code also, and do some "due diligence". I wish I had. (and I was wanting to get into "the cloud"!)
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I'm an old time Palm Garnet OS user, just bought HTC Legend. Enjoy the os but miss my old Palm OS programme like JFile or Mobile DB but can't find it in Android Market. Any suggestion?
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Hi!

I'm also a former Palm user who switched to Android because the Pre could not convince me. I was looking for a way to migrate my Palm calendar to my Android phone when I found this thread. But I neither liked to pay for a software I would only use once, nor did I like to use Outlook (at all). So finally I came up with an own solution. Here it is:

PdbConverter - Overview - shredzone.org

It's a small Java tool that converts Palm pdb files into more common file formats.

Mainly it converts the Calendar database into iCalendar, which can be imported into the Google Calendar. The iCalendar file contains all of your Palm's calendar information, like repeating schedules (and exceptions), alarms, locations, notes, categories and the "secret" flag.

There is also a converter for converting the Palm address book to a vCard file. This converter does not work that well because of limitations of the vCard format and the way Palm stores addresses, but I guess it's still better than nothing.

Other databases can be converted into XML and ZIP files, for post-processing with other converter tools.

I hope some of you will find the tool as useful as I did. It's open source and free, and it's currently beta so be a little careful. Your feedback is appreciated!
This worked perfectly for me. I highly recommend it if you're moving just once, it's not a sync tool.
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Great info. Helped me a lot.

Here is some simply what I did..

Exporting Contact List from Palm Treo to Android based phones

Also, for contact list transfer from Palm Treo to HTC Aria Android phone, I just saved the contact list as a vfile from Palm Treo Desktop application and then imported into Gmail account, it automatically synced with HTC Aria.

Could anyone advise on how to transfer media files (photos/videos) from Palm Treo to Android based phones like HTC Aria.

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Had a Treo 755p & LOVED my calendar! Just got a Droid and I HATE Google Calendar. I can't believe such great company hasn't listened to the users (look at all the posted all over the web!) and altered it to have color coded categories in ONE calendar. I'm really torn about the fun apps vs. the calendar I LOVED (tasks and notes were better too). I'm still within my 30 days, so unless I can find a 30-day color coded calendar view, I may just take it back.

Has anyone found an app that works like the Palm calendar? I'm desperately searching and having no luck.

Help!!!!
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Dude!!!! "note everything" in android store says it synchs palm notes! Awesome for me. I know we can get calendar in. cmon you app gurus make a whole desktop type app that syncs. Look how many people look for it. It'll sell.
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Im at my desk and Im diving into getting this stuff transferred.

sidnote -

almost had total success using bluetooth. Bluetoothed 'send category' and it began to work but failed at some documents contents.

You can bluetooth each contact and it saves all info. Howevr for notes my evo auto opened ms work quick or some app and saved the whole category as a single text file. Its on my phone now which is good but not how I want it.

So going to try the methods read here.



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Notes/memos from Palm to EVo/Android. FUreeeking rocks ALL notes in proper categories. Rock star over at :

http://www.softxperience.mobi/86-1-Import-Palm.html

made note everything and its the bomb. You should buy the pro version its better. Available in free and pro in Android market.

Ok now on to contacts...
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I am helping a friend over the next few days migrate from his old Palm PDA to a new Droid Incredible & google account. This thread has been great & I want to thank everyone for your postings & tips.
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I am helping a friend over the next few days migrate from his old Palm PDA to a new Droid Incredible & google account. This thread has been great & I want to thank everyone for your postings & tips.
Oh dont mention it. Glad I could help. : D lol like it was me.


Ok final report.

Now I sure as hell hope Google isnt as bad as everyone says as far as privacy.

I exported from palm the contacts. Gmail imported np into gmail contacts. Synched with my phone and bada bing (actually it did it automatically) all my contacts WITH photos are now on my phone.

So contacts and notes done. The to do list. Im using task mantra. I forget how I got em in. I think I added em all as there only like 100.


I have to keep confidences of my contacts and info. So if google is as bad as people say I hope I havent compromised my integrity via compromised data integrity.

Now I just wish there was an integrated contacts, todo, notes desktop program like palm had resident. an app that was integrated would be awesome too.


Phone is cool though. Its prettier than it is functional...


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I have call logs, sms logs and call tracker also.

All my call logs are backed up and can be sent to email with this app same for text (sms) messages. Call tracker allows me to attach notes to every call which is a step up from my palm as far as functionality.
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Thank you, guys!

I got the same problem before, and I just gave up all my info in my palm.

I shoulda read it earlier!
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What I did was to download CompanionLink for Google (free download of eval version here: Trial Software Download). You need a Google account first. This will handle calender data and tasks by importing them into your nominated Google calender. I created a calender called "Palm" in Google for the import just in case things went wrong. They didn't and I need not have bothered with that step, Android has the ability to display a merged view of several calenders on your phone or web. I had approx 10 years of data and a cursory glance shows it has imported fine, even recurring events look OK.

Contacts - use the CompanionLink step above for this. I did this before the Calender step and solved it by exporting the Contacts to vCal format which Google will import as-is. I have a lot of data cleaning to do here though as some of my contacts are "un-named".
CompanionLink looked really great until I actually tried to sync. I received a message that I need .NET Framework v2.0. After downloading and installing this (about 1 hour later) and restarting my laptop, I receive the same error. Boo, CompanionLink!
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CompanionLink looked really great until I actually tried to sync. I received a message that I need .NET Framework v2.0. After downloading and installing this (about 1 hour later) and restarting my laptop, I receive the same error. Boo, CompanionLink!

Contacts is super simple through google. Export from palm to a file. Import to google.. Thats it.

Actually once you synch your phone to google it synchs calendar too. gmail has a to do list function but its really really a base function.
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Contacts is super simple through google. Export from palm to a file. Import to google.. Thats it.

Actually once you synch your phone to google it synchs calendar too. gmail has a to do list function but its really really a base function.
Thanks. Agree that Contacts is simple using vCard (but not 'super simple' since the default on Palm OS 6 is .aba files, which Google does not recognize). I have no idea what you mean about sync'ing 'my phone to Google'. There are dozens of posts here regarding the difficulty of converting Palm's dba Calendar file to a csv that Google recognizes without loosing data. If you of some trick, please share! Without this conversion, Google has no data to sync to my phone. TIA.
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