prepbgg

I had set the Hero to "silent mode" (by long-pressing the power-off button and selecting "silent mode"). A crossed-out quaver appeared in the notification bar to confirm that the phone was silenced. However an alarm has just gone off very audibly. What have I done wrong?

justjimjpc

It works the same way on G1 ... Silent will not allow phone calls ... but does not prevent alarms...

And some notifications my come through as well ...

I know it doesn't make sense .. but ???

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prepbgg

So how do I silence alarms? What is "Vibration mode"? Will putting the phone into Vibration Mode silence my alarms?

prepbgg

Reading page 51 of the manual, it seems that "Silent Mode" is one step above "Vibration Mode" on the Ringer volume scale, so presumably is not actually silent! Can this really be true?

And can it really be true that something called Silent Mode doesn't actually make the phone silent, and what's more this has been known about since the G1 came out and nothing done about it?

Last edited by prepbgg; September 23rd, 2009 at 03:32 PM.

justjimjpc

If i dont want my many ( 7) standard alarms going off ...
I just go into Alarms and untick them ....

Vibrate will just replace your call ringtone with a vibrate ...

You might try the App Timeriffic to see if that works ... I use to use it ... but have not been using it lately ... so can say if it will override the alarms either ???

prepbgg

When I go into a concert hall or a meeting I want to be able to silence my phone in one step. I don't expect to have to turn all my alarms off. I don't expect to have to remember to turn off Ringer Volume and separately turn down Media Volume. When I see something called "Silent Mode" I expect it to do what it says! Surely this is a basic fault!

I don't want to have to acquire a separate App to do basic things like this.

justjimjpc

POWER button .. (not joking)

Well if you go into setting and "Sound and Display" and read the info in the Silent Mode Checkbox area ... you will see it reads as: "all sounds except media and alarms are silenced"

So alarms and Mp3(music) will worked while still not letting you phone ring out !!

bojack

Download Tone Picker from the MArket, Its a gr8 application to control volumes for :

Ringer
Music
Call
System
Alarm

(That the basic layout once u open the app)

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J

JoeC

This was very confusing to me at first, too.

I like the app "Toggle Settings" since you can set up profiles with one click that adjusts screen brightness and volumes for all audio.

justjimjpc

I have a widget call AudioManager Console that i can use to adjust levels for alarms, music, alerts, ringer, system, and voicecall ... but the poster says he does want to have to use another app ... to control ALL sound ...

SO the only thing other than using some app is to PwrOff the phone ...

bojack

Oops my apologies for missing out on the I Dont want to Acquire..........

justjimjpc

No problem... thanks for kicking in you answer ...

prepbgg

You make the "poster" sound unreasonable!

Surely, "silent mode" should mean what it says. If HTC want to leave the thing as it is they should call it something different ... I don't know what, maybe something like "Ringer Off".

"Power off" is an obvious option (and I used it myself in a concert at the weekend), but it would be nice to have the option to go quickly into a truly silent mode and still have vibration notifications.

Thanks for the Apps suggestions, Joe Jack and Jim. I like the idea of separately controlling alarm and music volume. This might help to prevent deafness caused by listening to music through headphones when an alarm goes off!

justjimjpc

My point is not to make the poster seem "unreasonable!"
but to point out that the phone is not at fault ...for him appling what he thinks Silent Mode means ... and if you read the info in setting you can clearly see that it doesnt turn all sounds off ... Hence alternative methods were suggested ....

I think and "ALL Sounds OFF" would be nice ... but alas that would require an app of some type .. or a new feature in a future build ... until then there are workarounds ....

Phone Fault --- Nope !! just not what the poster was expecting or hoping to imply what Silent Mode meant ...

wuthton

Hold down call end button>select power off>press ok. This works for me.

justjimjpc

A more explicit way of saying Power the phone OFF !!

wuthton

Sarcasm is the lowest form of whit. I do apologise.

justjimjpc

Lowest maybe ... but sometimes the most effective !!

wuthton

If you had a particularly fat arse you could also place phone in your back pocket>park arse on chair>silent mode engaged.

justjimjpc

Doubt that would be very effective ... it surely doesnt work for farts ... but the good thing is the phone doesnt have smell alerts for all those FART apps in the market ...

wuthton

Fart apps apps and this thread. Two utterly pointless things collide, chaos theory is true.

justjimjpc

OK enough ...back to the OP original issue ...

He doesnt get all sounds turned off when using the "Silent Mode" (it doesn't say it will do all sound ... but he thinks it should)

He does fell he should have to use another app to kill ALL sounds...

And Phone OFF !! is probably not the answer he was wishing for ...

But there it is ... use another APP or the Pwr Button ..

wuthton

Set an alarm when you want to be alarmed.

If you do not wish an alarm to sound then do not set one.

I do not wish my phone to ping all night with every bit of spam I receive but I would like my alarm to go off.

Absolute silence=power off.

Slug

+1

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Schubert

Spot on. I use "alarm" only to wake me, and I sometimes forget to "unsilence" my phone, so it is vital that the alarm still sounds.

If I require a reminder during daylight, I use the calendar. That can then "notify" rather than "alarm" me.

So I guess I am very happy with the way Android works here and I certainly woulnd't want it changed without an option to retain the current working pattern which is brilliant, logical, and does exactly what it says.

MartinS

Spot on with the wake me up even on silent coments there guys.

How many people have been late for work using other phones as thier alarm only to wake up and find it had gone of silently?

Ziani

rofl

prepbgg

Thank you to to all those who have posted helpful comments above, particularly helping me to understand why the 'Silent Mode' is set up the way it is.

The 'Toggle Settings' app recommended by JoeC seems to provide a very satisfactory answer to my original need. You can set up a number of profiles with different settings for a variety of phone options. Relevant to my question these options include settings to determine whether the ringer is on and/or whether the phone vibrates, and separate volume settings for the ringer, music, in-call voice, notifications and alarms. Thus I can have a 'Normal' profile where ringer and vibration are on and all volumes are set to normal levels and a separate profile for 'Meetings' where all volume settings are reduced to nil and the ringer is off for good measure but vibration is on. Switching between these profiles involves just 3 taps from a shortcut on the Home screen. (The 'Power Off' solution mentioned several times above does not meet the need for a phone that is still active as a computer for note-taking, document reading, web browsing, and whatever, while being completely silent, but the Meetings mode in the Toggle Settings app meets this need well.)

I can have several other profiles as well: for example, I can have one for listening to music where the alarm volume is turned down (but not completely off) so it doesn't deafen me!

If I use the Meetings profile to turn alarms off, I shall obviously have to remember to switch back to Normal if I want to be woken on time. But the same applies to the Power Off option, so I am no worse off.

dbpaddler

sorry, but that's a lame answer coming from a mod, especially when most if not all other phones (or should I say OS's so people don't say the G1 or Mytouch doesn't work that way) go silent when silent or vibration mode is chosen. There should at least be options in that mode to choose what should or shouldn't make a sound. Having to download apps and silence multiple things shouldn't be the answer. Even the ancient PalmOS could customize those modes as could simple dumbphones.

And sorry, but I get emergent work calls and texts and also like to see how the sports teams are doing. With the first reason, turning off the phone isn't an option.

waxer

Silent mode should mean 'do not make any single sound' - That is the definition of silence. Android 1.6/G1 is just plain wrong to redefine that as 'silent, expect for when it isn't and you're going to have to jump through hoops if you want absolute silence because the makers of android know you better than your self and we cast judgment that you cannot be trusted to remember to turn off silence before your a.m. wake up alarm'.

The ringer volume -/+ control on the G1 should go into absolute silence, like it used to! I want to leave my phone on at my desk and use only the LED to indicate calls, txt messages, ebay auction alerts/alarms, new mail, etc. Better yet, I would like to set preferences based on my location (GPS). When at the office - silence, Home - not silent.

I'm sure before I updated my G1 to android 1.6 'silent' mode used to silence phone calls and text messages and email notifications. After 1.6 it only silences phone calls. Receiving text messages is no longer silent and the office hates me. I'm using ringdroid.

dv8silencer

I think this happens on many phones (I have some motorola flip phone and alarm have their own sound settings that override any global modes such as silent).

This is why I just turn off my phone if I really don't want any sounds. I understand that there should probably be the ultimate no-sounds-at-all mode. I'd like to see that. Truthfully, even if there were one, my paranoia would prevent me from leaving the phone on.

Nighthaunt

In thr alarm setting options choose notification sound and list pops up - now hold down lower volume button on side of phone to see alarm notification display pop up and keep holding it down till volume shows at 0 . Not audible alarm sound

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dbpaddler

Just use quick profiles and create your own silent, vibrate, sleep, meeting or whatever ones you want. Pretty simple. Two button presses. And you control every audible option.

SpecialEd

ok, there are ways to get different modes of operation so that silent mode is actually silent.

But is there a way to use the front screen swipe to do this? That sets silent mode which turns off vibrate. I want to toggle between vibrate only and make noise with a single touch, so when I forget to mute my phone I can quickly toggle over to "silent and I mean silent" mode.

My crap treo had a nice hardware switch so you could physically check if you are muted without even looking at the phone.

dbpaddler

no. is two button presses really that hard? Or a swipe and two button presses? I've owned three treos. It is what it is. Comes a time you just need to let go. I'm still coming to terms with the inferior PIM and no note/memo syncing along with the one handed ease that was Palm.

SpecialEd

This is just a bad design choice. Three actions to turn off sound when you are usually rushed (embarrassed by a call in a meeting or movie or dinner)

Should have options for different modes:
Normal with sound for ringer and media, vibrate optional
Quiet mode with sound for alerts but no ringer, vibrate optional
Silent mode without sound at all, vibrate optional
Still mode without sound or vibrate

And the front button should toggle between two of those modes.

Forget OS options, why is this not done using an application?

The tie-in to calendar to silence the phone on schedule could be nice as a OS option, I may have to try those applications out.

Same with emergency numbers that are allow to ring or alert.

Maybe a optional rule to turn on ringer if a call is unanswered three times in a two minute period? My wife and I use this as our emergency signal (but she usually forgets it and I end up stepping out of a meeting). Sorta like the remote turn-on ringer application but without need for a computer to remotely trigger your phone.

dbpaddler

actually two if you place quickprofiles on your home screen. three if it's on one of the adjacent home screens. Don't think two button presses is at all bad. Palm made a good design choice with the switch, but it's not like every other phone followed suit.

And with quick profiles you have whatever option you want. You can set up profiles that address all that you mentioned. Did you even bother to give it or whirl or did you just want to whine?

Seriously...rushed into a movie or a meeting that you can't take a few seconds for two button presses. Do you constantly miss the previews at movies that you forget to silence the phone? Not to mention they pretty much tell you to do it in every movie you go to. When you sit down to a meeting you can't take 3 seconds for two button presses, but you could slide a switch?

The rest of your beefs are just personal preferences, and if you want something done, learn to program for android or request it from a developer and offer some dough. If people are developing apps along those lines, a few comments to them and a willingness to donate to their cause can get some action. They are definitely things I wouldn't expect Google to have native to the OS.

coercri

I'm not saying the way it works is right (I would like it to be totally silent, or at least have an option for this somewhere), but it is like this on other phones too ie iPhone (spit).

SpecialEd

Four if you have to turn on the phone, swipe it open, move to the home, and hit the profile.

Treo, boom, Bob's your uncle.


Do you want to look like an idiot fiddling with your phone when you already look like an idiot for having to turn off your phone?

I will be sitting in a android class soon, so we will see what I can do...

dbpaddler

if I'm running to a meeting I silence the phone before I walk in the room out of fear of being the only shmuck with a ringing phone. In the movies, everyone and their brother is turning off or silencing their phones.

It may be four when you're starting from scratch, but isn't there usually a moment (no pun intended) when you're checking mail, msg or calls before a meeting, appt, movie or what not? If you know you're heading into something or going to be out of call or text's reach, it's usually a common thing to do.

Have owned quite a few smartphones, and only the treo has that nice simple switch. So I don't see how you can blame the mfg for not doing one pretty much only one company has done.

very cool on the android class. programming is one tech area I never ventured into. would be fun to be able to whip up a program that people put on their phones even if it's a simple widget. I think quick profiles is great because it offers so much more flexibility than the simple switch. Worth the extra swipe and press if I can tailor it to multiple situations.

SpecialEd

BTW, just found "Silent Mode Jammer" from searching droid forums. It does basically what I want (toggle silent to vibrate and back) but some icons are screwy (always looks to be muted??)

Edit- This application has issues. The lock icon changes to mute and stays muted although it still rings. The only indication that you have that you are muted or not is the vibrate icon in the task bar (which does toggle). Very odd....

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rolue

I can't believe that technology has made so many people spoiled and whiny.
It should do this, it should do that, faster, faster. I don't want to push 2 buttons to do that, I just want to push 1.

I don't mean to insult anyone, I'm just saying.

To me, if a phone did everything I wanted with the push of one button, it would be less fun. Work arounds make you use your brain. Assuming you want to.

SpecialEd

And I can't believe people are such d-bags that they can't push for better designs and they spend their time putting down others that are pointing out flaws and looking for workarounds (not whining).


So hitting the obscure tiny button on the top right, the swiping to unlock, then hitting home to get out of the application, then swiping or hitting home again to get to the main home screen, then toggling sound on the screen, then hitting the tiny button on the top to sleep again is good because it makes me use my brain? Who really is using their brain?

Treo : harware slider -> sound off.

Treo -> tactile interface to tell if muted, no turning on phone or even looking at phone needed.

My ideal phone would have been a Treo with a bigger/better screen and updated OS. I got ahold of the Pre and the keyboard stinks, so I went droid (which also has a stinky keyboard).

So if you want whining, here you go:

Treo had mute switch
Treo had decent keyboard
Treo had application shortcut hardware buttons
Treo battery lasted days
Treo had SD card support (not buried behind battery)
Treo had working PDA apps (not weak calendar, lack of to-do and notes)
Treo was one-hand navigable using 5-way
Treo also had pen options if you go that way

However,
Treo did not have WiFi
Treo did not have a big beautiful screen
Treo did not use simple USB cords
Treo ran old Palm OS

KlaymenDK

Shut up shut up shut up! I had forgotten how much I miss that feature.
Edit: Slug, the above is of course meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I honestly think SpecialEd has some valid points. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Instead I rely on turning the sound all the way down, which causes Shush! to prompt me for how long to keep it muted.

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Slug

Let's keep a bit of perspective here, and remember this is a user-to-user forum. We're all friends here.

rolue

I forgot about this thread.

My point was, that I doubt that there will ever be a phone that will satisfy anyone 100% The only thing would be a small laptop with a cell phone in it. I surprised one hasn't been made yet.

dbpaddler

Geez. One company makes a nice feature and suddenly every other company sucks because they don't have it. If it's that much of a dealbreaker then go back to it.

And I think the quick profile process is
End button
Menu button
Silent profile button(that can be one touch)
End button

What should be easier and reasonable, is to be able to assign the voice control button a shortcut since nuance is a bit of a pain anyway. That should make the masses happy as it's a simple button press.

deanhiller

I use the shush app ALOT....I just had some damn alarm go off in a meeting though, so apparently my phone was no truly silenced.....so question.....

Any app out there that can wire the media and alarm volume to the ringer volume since shush controls my ringer volume and turns it back on in the designated time???? (ie. when I silence my android, shush is wired in to prompt me for how long....sweet app since I always forget to turn my ringer back on!)

I, as anyone coming from any other phone expected silent mode to well, silence the phone(in the strict definition of silence). Of course, then you go into the settings and read the fine print on alarm and media exceptions ... needless to say pretty dissapointed on this....it's something you discover later as I never went into the settings before but was not sure how my alarm went off in the meeting.

So they clearly mislabeled what their feature is(then again, what would you label it I guess, "partial silence" maybe). Odd they did it this way as I can't see anyone screaming on the iphone that they don't like the fact that it silences everything while in android you see plenty of arguments(I think this thread would not exist if they implemented it like the iphone)....NOTE: I LOVE my android way better than the iphone. I just ran into this one tiny issue that seems pretty damn annoying so am looking for a solution to

1. hopefully silence the entire phone in one click(any app that can wire the media and alarm volumes to always be same as ringer volume would rock!!!!)
2. keep using Shush which I think only controls the ringer volume which is why 1 is so important.

Anyone know how to solve this with app installs yet? or maybe I just have to keep waiting on this one(or email the shush developer and ask his thoughts on this as he may be able to add settings so that shush not only prompts me for when the ringer should come back on but turns my media and alarm volumes all the way down to).....I would pay at least 10 bucks for this to have the one touch silence and shush to bring it back on.

sorry for the rant but maybe there are some ideas to solve 1 and 2 out there....thing I love about the android vs. the iphone is they have way way many more plug in points for developers than iphone and the developers have taken advantage of that so you get better apps on the android.
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John728

The problem with using Calendar (at least on my Stratosphere) is the notification only goes off once.

No offense but I can't believe that anyone would use his phone to wake him in the morning. If I relied on my phone to wake me I would have been fired many times over, because the battery was dead, or I didn't hear it because it was in my pocket, etc. I use a simple alarm clock that cost $10. Android should definitely have an option to have silent mode silence everything. Just my two cents in case anyone from Google ever reads this stuff (which I highly doubt but I had to get it off my chest.) I will give those apps a try.

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