I also am liking the Inspire but this battery situation has me thinking twice....
Ok, so the Inspire has the 2nd gen Snapdragon SOC, which is more efficient. So you would THINK that HTC would use the common standard 1500mAh battery in there so that the phone would actually benefit and have one of the best battery lives of ANY smartphone (battery life to me is the biggest issue w/ smartphones today).
So what is the point of having a more efficient phone when you actually lower the battery capacity? It's almost like they cancel each other out and there is no benefit.
I don't want to have to jump thru any hoops to get better battery life on a new phone. So I'm hoping I am wrong and HTC knows what they are doing!
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I also am liking the Inspire but this battery situation has me thinking twice....
Ok, so the Inspire has the 2nd gen Snapdragon SOC, which is more efficient. So you would THINK that HTC would use the common standard 1500mAh battery in there so that the phone would actually benefit and have one of the best battery lives of ANY smartphone (battery life to me is the biggest issue w/ smartphones today).
So what is the point of having a more efficient phone when you actually lower the battery capacity? It's almost like they cancel each other out and there is no benefit.
I don't want to have to jump thru any hoops to get better battery life on a new phone. So I'm hoping I am wrong and HTC knows what they are doing!
Just read the other threads. Battery life WONT be an issue!!!
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The reason its $40 bucks is because its 3600...thats enough for 3 full charges.
There are cheaper ones from 1400-1900 that you can get for $19 to $29 bucks...id pay the extra $10-20 for 3 full charges sans a wall outlet though..considering a 1230 replacement battery is going to be $30-40 bucks as well. (think camping trips or a cruise or just out all day taking pictures, plane rides, long car trips without a charger etc....3 full charges could come in handy).
Plus its external..so while ITS on the charger....your phone can still be in your pocket/in use (as opposed to being tethered to a wall outlet). You could almost use your phone 24/7 and just plug this thing in the wal every third charge and hook it to your phone while its in your pocket or bag to charge while you are in transit/not using it.
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The reason its $40 bucks is because its 3600...thats enough for 3 full charges.
There are cheaper ones from 1400-1900 that you can get for $19 to $29 bucks...id pay the extra $10-20 for 3 full charges sans a wall outlet though..considering a 1230 replacement battery is going to be $30-40 bucks as well. (think camping trips or a cruise or just out all day taking pictures, plane rides, long car trips without a charger etc....3 full charges could come in handy).
Plus its external..so while ITS on the charger....your phone can still be in your pocket/in use (as opposed to being tethered to a wall outlet). You could almost use your phone 24/7 and just plug this thing in the wal every third charge and hook it to your phone while its in your pocket or bag to charge while you are in transit/not using it.
Yeah. I'm getting a car charger as well. Seeing that I'll be driving A LOT more soon, I may/will need it.
Like I said in my OP I don't want to have to jump thru hoops with a brand new phone! (I realize that battery life is a big problem with a lot of smart phones).
But assuming HTC kept a standard 1500mAh battery in the Inspire, along with the much more efficient 2nd-Gen Snapdragon SOC, it could have had a huge selling point by having one of the best battery lives of any smartphone! I feel cell phone makers are ignoring the biggest problem...battery life!
Yet by downgrading the battery to 1230mAh, I feel any benefit you get from the 2nd gen Snapdragon is lost!
Too bad...this battery goof will probably be the ONLY reason I won't be getting the Inspire.
Like I said in my OP I don't want to have to jump thru hoops with a brand new phone! (I realize that battery life is a big problem with a lot of smart phones).
But assuming HTC kept a standard 1500mAh battery in the Inspire, along with the much more efficient 2nd-Gen Snapdragon SOC, it could have had a huge selling point by having one of the best battery lives of any smartphone! I feel cell phone makers are ignoring the biggest problem...battery life!
Yet by downgrading the battery to 1230mAh, I feel any benefit you get from the 2nd gen Snapdragon is lost!
Too bad...this battery goof will probably be the ONLY reason I won't be getting the Inspire.
Yes the battery thing is a big minus. I had the MT4G and it has the 1500mAh battery and the same processor and battery life was great. I think I will wait for the Atrix...It bothered me already that the inspire has no FFC and that it is too thick..
Like I said in my OP I don't want to have to jump thru hoops with a brand new phone! (I realize that battery life is a big problem with a lot of smart phones).
But assuming HTC kept a standard 1500mAh battery in the Inspire, along with the much more efficient 2nd-Gen Snapdragon SOC, it could have had a huge selling point by having one of the best battery lives of any smartphone! I feel cell phone makers are ignoring the biggest problem...battery life!
Yet by downgrading the battery to 1230mAh, I feel any benefit you get from the 2nd gen Snapdragon is lost!
Too bad...this battery goof will probably be the ONLY reason I won't be getting the Inspire.
I have had to buy portable batteries for my last 3 smart phones inclulding my iphone 3gs.
So edit "jump through hoops" to read "standard practice for ANY smart phone you are going to buy currently"...including the Atrix (most likely).
And there goes that argument...lol
Time will tell with real usage though (we will know soon).
I am just SOOOOO excited to actually be getting a phone THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY replace the battery in (hard to open or not)..you are dead in the water with an iphone and no portable battery.
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The inspire is such a new device it may be a couple weeks before the batteries officially roll out. You can buy the official 1230 battery yes..but i will wait a bit before i decide on which battery to buy as a back up. I prefer the case batteries like the mophie juice pack but i am not sure ill be able to find that for this phone (one great thing about iphone was the accessories available).
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After reading many threads it appears that the upcoming Inspire is close or very similar to the Sprint HTC Evo - If this is correct would the HTC Evo accessories work with the HTC Inspire, like the Evo 1500mah battery and cases or are the phones different enough that this is not an option?
After reading many threads it appears that the upcoming Inspire is close or very similar to the Sprint HTC Evo - If this is correct would the HTC Evo accessories work with the HTC Inspire, like the Evo 1500mah battery and cases or are the phones different enough that this is not an option?
I have had to buy portable batteries for my last 3 smart phones inclulding my iphone 3gs.
So edit "jump through hoops" to read "standard practice for ANY smart phone you are going to buy currently"...including the Atrix (most likely).
And there goes that argument...lol
Time will tell with real usage though (we will know soon).
I am just SOOOOO excited to actually be getting a phone THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY replace the battery in (hard to open or not)..you are dead in the water with an iphone and no portable battery.
Well you might be able to "replace" the battery on the Inspire, but the real question will be can you "upgrade" the battery? It seems the battery slot is very tight in the Inspire, so who knows?
But for the life of me I can't understand why HTC thought it better to downgrade the battery instead of at least staying current, if not UPGRADE?! Or maybe it was AT&T's call on this one, as their $99 price point would'nt support a few hundred more mAh's?
BTW, my iPhone 2g & 3GS had very good battery life, and I could get two full days per full charge, and thats with everyday normal usage. So not all smartphones are plagued by ridiculous poor battery life. Unfortunately, we gotta admit that Android is not a very efficient mobile OS.
If you look at it from a development/marketing standpoint...They want X features for Y price. So they upgrade RAM, CPU, so-so on device memory, Average to good camera, 1230 battery. They wouldn't release a product with a battery that does not offer the user experience one would expect from HTC. They are too good for that, man. You could stuff the 1900+ mah battery the atrix has in it, but why? Last 3 days with heavy use and no charge? The vast majority charge every day. The rare exceptions are what people may take issue with, but with travel charges and spare batteries, I am sure it will be fine.
You could stuff the 1900+ mah battery the atrix has in it, but why? Last 3 days with heavy use and no charge? The vast majority charge every day.
I'm sorry but that's just plain moronic. The vast majority charge everyday because we have to! It's not because we like doing it or because we're following some kind of routine. Having to be a skin flint in my battery use is draining on me, no pun intended. Always making sure I have enough battery to make it out the night is also draining.
But technology evolves for the better. It seems you're satisfied with battery tech staying right where it is, because you say the vast majority charge everyday so why evolve for the better? I say making me charge everyday is a huge problem! And it seems the Inspire will only aggravate this issue.
So it's looking right now like I'm going to go with the Atrix. Even though the Atrix is completely boring aesthetics wise, it makes up for it specs wise.
Too bad, as I love everything else about the Inspire!
The alternative being your phone lasts you 2 days, and when you go to sleep, you....don't plug it in? I mean, ...? You sleep every day (or you should at least). Plug the phone in, its not a deal breaker.
Lol @ talk of battery life when the phone isnt even out...
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I've gotta agree with Blanco on this one. Just because you can go more than a day without charging, doesn't make it better. You'll eventually have to charge regardless. You sleep every night, so take advantage of the down time and charge. If you need something that last for days, so be it. For others, it's not a big deal.
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I personally don't think the battery life is going to be that bad. I always charge my phone at night while I sleep, so if I can make it through the day with moderate use, then I'll be happy.
BTW, my iPhone 2g & 3GS had very good battery life, and I could get two full days per full charge, and thats with everyday normal usage. So not all smartphones are plagued by ridiculous poor battery life. Unfortunately, we gotta admit that Android is not a very efficient mobile OS.
Thats what they are when you first buy them.
At 20 months my iphone 3gs lasts 12-14 hours with medium use
At 18 months my girlfriends iphone 3g lasts 8-10 hours with medium use.
Officially, the battery is said to provide up to 6 hours of talk time and as much as 15.5 days of standby. Those are pretty amazing estimates for such a small battery. In our tests the Inspire 4G was able to provide 10-11 hours of use – including making a bunch of voice calls (some longer than 15 minutes), watching live-streaming TV news feeds, checking and answering my emails every 5 minutes or so, having the built-in GPS help find a friend’s location and even playing a few games of Solitaire. HTC is doing something right with squeezing so much from such a compact battery pack.
Totally missed that. Any idea of what? Power supply unit maybe? Seems like it's become a really efficient device (possibly why it took so long to get it over here?).
Totally missed that. Any idea of what? Power supply unit maybe? Seems like it's become a really efficient device (possibly why it took so long to get it over here?).
I think its a combination of software including the new sense and some possible power supply tweaks
Totally missed that. Any idea of what? Power supply unit maybe? Seems like it's become a really efficient device (possibly why it took so long to get it over here?).
Wait, you guys do know the basics of microchip architecture right?
The original snapdragon was built on a 65nm manufacturing process. The second generation snap dragon runs on a .45nm manufacturing process.
When you shrink the die like that it results in SIGNIFICANTLY reduced power consumption with the same architecture at the same mhz..at significantly less heat production. Added to that each silicon wafer produces that many MORE chips per run resulting in cheaper manufacturing costs. The result is that you could pop on a larger batter and easily run a 45nm snap dragon at 1.2+ghz without it over heating (safely)..but running it at 1ghz = much less power consumption and cooler temperatures (in addition to cost).
I am soooo sorry. (not being sarcastic). I really thought everyone already understood this about the Inspire and why the 1230 battery was selected or id have brought it up sooner.
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The MSM8x55 chipset platform consists of the MSM8255™ and MSM8655™ and features a newly designed and optimized multimedia sub-system over previous Snapdragon generations.
Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
MSM8255 support for HSPA+ networks – up to14 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads
MSM8655 support for HSPA+ networks – up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads – as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B
Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance
High-definition (720p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second
High-performance GPU - up to 41M triangles/sec and 245M 3D pixels/se with dedicated 2D Open VG graphics hardware
High-resolution up to XGA (1024x768) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Built-in eighth-generation gps engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Android™, Brew® Mobile Platform and Windows® Phone
First-Generation
QSD8x50™ Chipsets
The QSD8x50 chipset platform consists of the QSD8250™ and QSD8650™.
Scorpion 1 GHz CPU
Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity
QSD8250 supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks
Wait, you guys do know the basics of microchip architecture right?
The original snapdragon was built on a 65nm manufacturing process. The second generation snap dragon runs on a .45nm manufacturing process.
When you shrink the die like that it results in SIGNIFICANTLY reduced power consumption with the same architecture at the same mhz..at significantly less heat production. Added to that each silicon wafer produces that many MORE chips per run resulting in cheaper manufacturing costs. The result is that you could pop on a larger batter and easily run a 45nm snap dragon at 1.2+ghz without it over heating (safely)..but running it at 1ghz = much less power consumption and cooler temperatures (in addition to cost).
I am soooo sorry. (not being sarcastic). I really thought everyone already understood this about the Inspire and why the 1230 battery was selected or id have brought it up sooner.
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I understand the idea of the difference in microchip design, but this same chip is in the Desire HD and the reviews for battery life are a lot more favorable for the Inspire than they are for the Desire, and they are essentially the same device. Some kind of tweak must have been made somewhere to better manage the battery life.
I understand the idea of the difference in microchip design, but this same chip is in the Desire HD and the reviews for battery life are a lot more favorable for the Inspire than they are for the Desire, and they are essentially the same device. Some kind of tweak must have been made somewhere to better manage the battery life.
So much for my theory...maybe some kind of better app management profile or maybe something on the HD was sucking down extra power.
Im more or less set on this phone, but like others the battery thing concerns me. I understand what Allen is saying about a more efficient chipset, but bottom line...is this device going to make it a whole day on a single charge? I work for a startup and we use our celly's for all our work calls, so I cant have this thing sucking down a full charge every few hours. I need to be able to have a decent 120 or more minutes of talk time, then check mails (but not all day, we do have laptops!), run some apps, texting with da wife, etc.
Dude, how many times in how many threads linking how many reviews will it take? I dont mean to be rude, but everyone who has used the phone for more than a day says it lasts through the day just fine. everyone who is making an issue or speculating on the battery has never used it for a whole day. Rename this thread to "Battery non-issue"
Dude, how many times in how many threads linking how many reviews will it take? I dont mean to be rude, but everyone who has used the phone for more than a day says it lasts through the day just fine. everyone who is making an issue or speculating on the battery has never used it for a whole day. Rename this thread to "Battery non-issue"
+1 Fact is, no one here really knows anymore about the battery life than anyone else in these parts. For now, we take the "reviewers" word for it. That word that they are giving us is that it will be just fine for a days use. Until we get our own real-world phones in our grubby little hands, it's all a big guess.
From what I have gathered, which is the case for any Android phone, it depends on your usage. For the DHD, most users seem to be happy with the battery life they are getting, but some are complaining.
If you are a heavy user (alot of 3G, syncing with calenders/e-mail, streaming, surfing, etc), then you might have to consider carrying around a backup battery (if you don't want to buy a backup battery, then at the very least, keep a car charger in your car and the desk charger in your briefcase at all times).
Not be be rude, myself.....but the device is barely out and "everyone who has used this phone and stated their batt life experience" is like...two people. Even the reviews that are posted state that they dont have full experience on what battery life is like.
I really would prefer not to get into a flame war/argument on my first topic...but Im kinda thinking asking a simple question about battery life in a thread called "Battery issue" on a phone that isnt even launched yet isnt a terrible thing.
Come on man...Im just asking a question about an attribute/feature of the device. Isnt that what these forums are for?
Its more than 2 people, and would those '2 people' not be the people who have the answer? Everyone else can only speculate as they have not personally used the phone. There are several videos available with unboxing and Q & A (htc source comes to mind). All the videos I have seen and all of the people who have used the phone have said the battery will last a full day, but not 'much more'. Thats all that can really be said at this point. No flame wars, just putting the question to bed hopefully.
I agree but I think the issue in this title which it is referring to is the size of the battery (1250mAh) which is smaller than pretty much all other high end phones on the market (including its T-Mobile brother).
From what I have gathered, which is the case for any Android phone, it depends on your usage. For the DHD, most users seem to be happy with the battery life they are getting, but some are complaining.
If you are a heavy user (alot of 3G, syncing with calenders/e-mail, streaming, surfing, etc), then you might have to consider carrying around a backup battery (if you don't want to buy a backup battery, then at the very least, keep a car charger in your car and the desk charger in your briefcase at all times).
What's amazing to me about those that complain about battery life (and, yes, it's not this way for everyone) is that they do some insane use of their phones in a day, and still aren't satisfied. Movie watching on the train/bus, pandora listening at work, texting and IMing all day long, talking on the phone, downloading music and large files, etc.... it's never enough, for some people just can't be satisfied in todays world. Not saying that's anyone around here, but it does happen.
I agree but I think the issue in this title which it is referring to is the size of the battery (1250mAh) which is smaller than pretty much all other high end phones on the market (including its T-Mobile brother).
Personally, I think the size of a battery is misleading. Good power management, and efficient programming do a world of good towards battery consumption. HTC is really starting to nail it!
Personally, I think the size of a battery is misleading. Good power management, and efficient programming do a world of good towards battery consumption. HTC is really starting to nail it!
Precisely this. I sort of think of it like MP in the camera. 8 MP isn't necessarily better than 5 MP. a 5MP camera can have better quality depending upon the lense, software, etc. It is all relative.
You could also buy an additional battery if you know you won't be near a power source (say traveling somewhere) and switch to the 2nd battery if it's necessary. Not sure how much an extra 1250 mAH battery would cost, but at least this will give you peace of mind.
Personally, I think the size of a battery is misleading. Good power management, and efficient programming do a world of good towards battery consumption. HTC is really starting to nail it!
What's amazing to me about those that complain about battery life (and, yes, it's not this way for everyone) is that they do some insane use of their phones in a day, and still aren't satisfied. Movie watching on the train/bus, pandora listening at work, texting and IMing all day long, talking on the phone, downloading music and large files, etc.... it's never enough, for some people just can't be satisfied in todays world. Not saying that's anyone around here, but it does happen.
Wow...that just might be the dumbest thing I read all day.
You may like under-utilizing your phone, but giving anyone grief for wanting to use their phone however they see fit is just wrong.
I really don't understand how some of you are cool with putting up with small battery capacity and/or battery life.
Wow...that just might be the dumbest thing I read all day.
You may like under-utilizing your phone, but giving anyone grief for wanting to use their phone however they see fit is just wrong.
I really don't understand how some of you are cool with putting up with small battery capacity and/or battery life.
Wow, and you must be the biggest troll I've seen on here all week. If you don't like opinions, move on and don't be a jackass. People are here to help each other, if you wanna go against the grain, go somewhere else. Good luck with your arrogance and ignorance.
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Wow...that just might be the dumbest thing I read all day.
You may like under-utilizing your phone, but giving anyone grief for wanting to use their phone however they see fit is just wrong.
I really don't understand how some of you are cool with putting up with small battery capacity and/or battery life.
Cars can go 125 MPH all day long, too. But doing so isnt a good thing and beyond what they are designed to do. Same principal here. If you are going to use the device heavily....too heavily...than you cannot expect or DEMAND an unrealistic level of performance.
What *I* am asking is that for a "middle of the road" level of usage (2 some odd hours per day of talk, email, apps, an occasional video or game break, texting, etc.) will this thing make it to bedtime?
Now, if the Inspire is super-optimized and lasts all day with some to spare....then I'll be OK with that. I can work with that, even though I'm still bitter that we could have had the potential to go maybe 30-36hrs (maybe) if HTC or AT&T had gone with the standard 1500mAH or higher.
But to somehow say I just need to stop using my "smartphone" like a "smartphone", well, you gotta be kidding me right?
I really don't understand how some of you are cool with putting up with small battery capacity and/or battery life.
There you go again, spreading misinformation. Please cite a video or a forum in which there is quantifiable proof that the battery has a small capacity/life.
You could also buy an additional battery if you know you won't be near a power source (say traveling somewhere) and switch to the 2nd battery if it's necessary. Not sure how much an extra 1250 mAH battery would cost, but at least this will give you peace of mind.
Replacement battery is about $35 to $40 bucks but you can get a 3600mah portable for $39 that would charge the phone fully almost 3 times. With a fresh battery that morning you could go almost 4 full days with one of those and never look at a wall charger..and they are pretty slim line as well.
Ill be getting one and then probably a replacement battery for the phone it self around 6 to 9 months later..i dont anticipate EVER have any problems with this set up. The phone is so cheap..who can really complain about buying an extra battery or portable?
For the people who ignore the option of a backbup or portable battery because they are "too busy" to take 5 seconds and throw one in their lap top bag or desk or what ever...but then seem to have COUNTLESS FREE HOURS TO complain about it being a bit shorter than some of the competitions batteries....i call troll. (or at least..i call contradiction!)
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So Allen...just to be clear Im understanding this correctly.....the fact this device has a "more efficient" chip means it should get the average, comparable battery life for a smartphone?
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