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Old February 11th, 2011, 10:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Somethings you need to know before buying the inspire

The most important thing is to make sure you get switched to a 4g data plan. Just putting your sim card in the phone will not make the data work!!!!

You do NOT need a new sim card, though AT&T has released a new sim card that isnt 3g/4g specific. (it looks cool though)

Make sure if you are coming from a non android smart phone that you back up your contacts online (with google preferably)

if you are coming from a non smart phone, make sure your contacts are saved to the SIM

enjoy the phone guys!

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The most important thing is to make sure you get switched to a 4g data plan. Just putting your sim card in the phone will not make the data work!!!!

You do NOT need a new sim card, though AT&T has released a new sim card that isnt 3g/4g specific. (it looks cool though)

Make sure if you are coming from a non android smart phone that you back up your contacts online (with google preferably)

if you are coming from a non smart phone, make sure your contacts are saved to the SIM

enjoy the phone guys!
what happens if we get the new SIM, the cool one? Cause I've had mine for a while and I think the contacts are kinda bad...idk, i want the cool stuff!
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Marc, can I do this at radio shack or do i need to go to an att store?
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Ok..ummmm

Wont switching to a 4G data plan = tierd pricing when the customer service nerd switches it in the system?

Also....whats the best way to back up contacts w iphone?

I was just going to manually copy the contacts over as i assume they wont even need my iphone to make the switch (new phone and new sim card...)
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The most important thing is to make sure you get switched to a 4g data plan. Just putting your sim card in the phone will not make the data work!!!!

You do NOT need a new sim card, though AT&T has released a new sim card that isnt 3g/4g specific. (it looks cool though)

Make sure if you are coming from a non android smart phone that you back up your contacts online (with google preferably)

if you are coming from a non smart phone, make sure your contacts are saved to the SIM

enjoy the phone guys!
This is a non-issue. Unless there's something I missed, there is not going to be special "4g" data plans.... until LTE. And if that's not true and there really are, internal retail unit's systems will automatically bring up compatible data plan options upon upgrading and switching the IMEI to the Inspire.... making only the "4g" data plans show up... meaning that the guest shouldn't haveto take extra steps and ensure the rep is putting on a 4g data plan. Same thing happens when ordering online or through telesales. I cannot speak for retailer units though, but my assumption it would be a similar process.

Either way, if there is a 4g data plan, rest assured that sometime tomorrow (Sat), all COR reps will get some kind of memo upon login regarding this....
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This is a non-issue. Unless there's something I missed, there is not going to be special "4g" data plans.... until LTE. And if that's not true and there really are, internal retail unit's systems will automatically bring up compatible data plan options upon upgrading and switching the IMEI to the Inspire.... making only the "4g" data plans show up... meaning that the guest shouldn't haveto take extra steps and ensure the rep is putting on a 4g data plan. Same thing happens when ordering online or through telesales. I cannot speak for retailer units though, but my assumption it would be a similar process.

Either way, if there is a 4g data plan, rest assured that sometime tomorrow (Sat), all COR reps will get some kind of memo upon login regarding this....
It may update, but not right away. I think marc's point is to make sure it's switched over so you can enjoy 4g speeds out of the box.

This explains why reviewers were not getting 4g speeds, despite having H+ on their devices.
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It may update, but not right away. I think marc's point is to make sure it's switched over so you can enjoy 4g speeds out of the box.

This explains why reviewers were not getting 4g speeds, despite having H+ on their devices.
What i'm saying is that 4g codes don't exist in the system as of yet... and even if they did, they would auto switch in the process of upgrading to this device. Marc's phone has something else wrong with it.... my store manager had his Inspire in the store today, and data worked fine.... 3g card with regular data plan.
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ugggh...this is almost making me want to wait another week so i dont have to deal with a bunch of bull shoot about wrong sim cards and wrong rate plans.
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just upgrade.... the rate plans will be fine, sims are fine
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Old February 11th, 2011, 10:25 PM   #10 (permalink)
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It may update, but not right away. I think marc's point is to make sure it's switched over so you can enjoy 4g speeds out of the box.

This explains why reviewers were not getting 4g speeds, despite having H+ on their devices.
I may be understanding this wrong, but are you saying you have to have a 4G compatible plan in order to achieve HSPA+ speeds? And I'm not sure how to word this, but will there be a unlimited HSPA+ plan for those grandfathered to unlimited?
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What i'm saying is that 4g codes don't exist in the system as of yet... and even if they did, they would auto switch in the process of upgrading to this device. Marc's phone has something else wrong with it.... my store manager had his Inspire in the store today, and data worked fine.... 3g card with regular data plan.
This could very well be the case (maybe the IMEI needs to match up)

but in myCSP under the febuary 13th frontline focus, it explains that you need HSPA+ data plans which are essentially the same as the normal data plans now, just a different SOC code.

It could have been my sim card or phone though, but who knows, ill do more research into this tomorrow
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The phones you buy at an AT&T store, or their online site are shipped with the proper sim installed.

The master AT&T system computer automatically recognizes the IMEI (the phones unique identifier) number as a 4G phone. No human intervention is needed.

The person you deal with only needs to determine how much data you're buying (which plan) it's very simple.

Do not expect a dramatic increase in the data speed as 4G is theoretical so far, and only available at certain times in select areas. So I would take "4G" with a grain of salt. You are on the cutting edge. It will get better as time goes by.
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OMG.

I'm getting dumber just reading this thread. AT&T doesn't nor has it ever had "4G" ... it's 3.5G HSPA+, a 3G technology that AT&T and T-Mobile are using great marketing to make you believe it's a 4th generation wireless standard.

There's nothing different in the system about it, and nothing has to be enabled on your account nor phone to make it work. MANY people from all over the world, like me, have been using HSPA+ (aka what ATT markets as "4g like speeds") and getting the 4G experience.

If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't spout or spread BS information. The ONLY thing different about a "4G Sim" is they print a 4G logo on it, NOTHING technically, nothing different as to the way it's provisioned into the network, and certainly won't make your phone any faster!
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OMG.

I'm getting dumber just reading this thread. AT&T doesn't nor has it ever had "4G" ... it's 3.5G HSPA+, a 3G technology that AT&T and T-Mobile are using great marketing to make you believe it's a 4th generation wireless standard.

There's nothing different in the system about it, and nothing has to be enabled on your account nor phone to make it work. MANY people from all over the world, like me, have been using HSPA+ (aka what ATT markets as "4g like speeds") and getting the 4G experience.

If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't spout or spread BS information. The ONLY thing different about a "4G Sim" is they print a 4G logo on it, NOTHING technically, nothing different as to the way it's provisioned into the network, and certainly won't make your phone any faster!
I'm pretty sure we all know that it isn't true 4G...but seeing as how that's the marketing name, and what has stuck, why not call it what it pseudo-is? we're just trying to get clarification before we buy a $100 dollar phone (or some who are buying it for $450) and lock ourselves into two years of crap.

Chill out
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OMG.

I'm getting dumber just reading this thread. AT&T doesn't nor has it ever had "4G" ... it's 3.5G HSPA+, a 3G technology that AT&T and T-Mobile are using great marketing to make you believe it's a 4th generation wireless standard.

There's nothing different in the system about it, and nothing has to be enabled on your account nor phone to make it work. MANY people from all over the world, like me, have been using HSPA+ (aka what ATT markets as "4g like speeds") and getting the 4G experience.

If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't spout or spread BS information. The ONLY thing different about a "4G Sim" is they print a 4G logo on it, NOTHING technically, nothing different as to the way it's provisioned into the network, and certainly won't make your phone any faster!

did you read this thread?
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Just to clarify what I said in my original post about the 4g data plans:

If you are upgrading or buying this from an at&t store you dont have to worry about anything because when the employee enters the new IMEI in the system, it automatically prompts the employee to change everything to the right plans.


Some people who are just buying the phone out right, and sliding their sim cards in the phone might not get DATA right away until the system refreshes itself with your phone on tap.

As Oridus kindly stated, his managers phone was able to get data just by sliding the sim card in, so it might have been an isolated incident, but im just giving you the heads up from what i experienced.
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Just to clarify what I said in my original post about the 4g data plans:

If you are upgrading or buying this from an at&t store you dont have to worry about anything because when the employee enters the new IMEI in the system, it automatically prompts the employee to change everything to the right plans.


Some people who are just buying the phone out right, and sliding their sim cards in the phone might not get DATA right away until the system refreshes itself with your phone on tap.

As Oridus kindly stated, his managers phone was able to get data just by sliding the sim card in, so it might have been an isolated incident, but im just giving you the heads up from what i experienced.

I also did some verification this morning, and we were both right to some extent. The only people effected by this will be people buying their product at a 3rd party or outright. Any form of upgrade... the rep SHOULD change the plan for you... if not it's a bad rep lol.
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I'm getting dumber just reading this thread. AT&T doesn't nor has it ever had "4G" ... it's 3.5G HSPA+, a 3G technology that AT&T and T-Mobile are using great marketing to make you believe it's a 4th generation wireless standard.
Though in all fairness, the LTE rollouts aren't meeting the ITU's IMT-Advanced specifications either (and hence technically are not 4G per the ITU's definition). In other words, there are NO widely deployed ITU 4G networks and ALL the carriers are lying about 4G.

Now, what you said about the SIM is correct. HSPA+ is provisioned exactly the same as HSPA, so there's no reason a 3G SIM won't allow 100% functionality on HSPA+ as long as it's provisioned correctly.
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hi. just so things are clear for me.
i have the $25 2GB data plan for AT&T, from what i am understanding my SIM card will not work if i buy the phone off contract from a third party retailer like amazon or best buy?
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hi. just so things are clear for me.
i have the $25 2GB data plan for AT&T, from what i am understanding my SIM card will not work if i buy the phone off contract from a third party retailer like amazon or best buy?
it should. when you go to buy it, ask them to just switch it to the HSPA+ compatible plan. No extra charge, just a new name
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it should. when you go to buy it, ask them to just switch it to the HSPA+ compatible plan. No extra charge, just a new name
well technically i won't be going to a store to get it.
i don't have any retail stores in my area.
i'll be ordering it online.
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well technically i won't be going to a store to get it.
i don't have any retail stores in my area.
i'll be ordering it online.
ah, i see. Well, I imagine you would just have to do it over the phone
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ah, i see. Well, I imagine you would just have to do it over the phone
So if we are using our renewing upgrade thing and getting it Radio Shack, will we still need to call AT&T later or will the RS dudes take care of that?
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so what happens if your on a grandfathered Unlimited Plan??
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I believe the RS guys call up AT&T and do it with them, at least that's what they did for the guys who got it early at Costco. It should be no problem.

As for Grandfathereds...I'm not really sure. I'm on it too (I got it with the original iphone 3G) and have been looking for answers too. I dont think we'll really know until tomorrow, but from what I can tell they have a HSPA+ compatible unlimited plan. Either that, or they'll have to manually set it up to be compatible
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Here's a dumb question. Will a sim from an iPhone 4 work in the Inspire if used with a sim adapter? That's what I do with my Captivate. I have an iPhone data plan, but use it's sim in my Captivate and it works fine.
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Here's a dumb question. Will a sim from an iPhone 4 work in the Inspire if used with a sim adapter? That's what I do with my Captivate. I have an iPhone data plan, but use it's sim in my Captivate and it works fine.
yeah, as long as you transfer your stuff to the regular SIM, it'll work. As of right now, the iPhone 4 is the only phone compatible with the micro SIMs
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Ouch My head is spinning.
I have a grandfathered unlimited plan. I have an iPhone 4. I think there is something different about the iPhone data plan, I think it has to do with visual voicemail or whatever it's called. I plan to continue to use the iPhone and swap the SIM (I have an adapter so don't even go there). I live in an area where we don't get (fake) 4G, and I don't believe we have an option to add a 4G data plan. Do I need to do anything at all with my data plan or just leave it alone? Thanks.
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yeah, as long as you transfer your stuff to the regular SIM, it'll work. As of right now, the iPhone 4 is the only phone compatible with the micro SIMs
That's not true. I use a sim adapter. That's how I take the sim from my iPhone 4 and use it in my Captivate. Everything works, even the data.

My question is will this work with the Inspire? Will the sim from an iPhone 4, using an adapter, work in the Inspire and have the data work?

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That's not true. I use a sim adapter. That's how I take the sim from my iPhone 4 and use it in my Captivate. Everything works, even the data.

My question is will this work with the Inspire? Will the sim from an iPhone 4, using an adapter, work in the Inspire and have the data work?

Yup, I have the Telus version, and a micro sim card. It works with a HSDPA connection.
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Ouch My head is spinning.
I have a grandfathered unlimited plan. I have an iPhone 4. I think there is something different about the iPhone data plan, I think it has to do with visual voicemail or whatever it's called. I plan to continue to use the iPhone and swap the SIM (I have an adapter so don't even go there). I live in an area where we don't get (fake) 4G, and I don't believe we have an option to add a 4G data plan. Do I need to do anything at all with my data plan or just leave it alone? Thanks.
what has been circulating the interwebz is that all the 4G (really just HSPA+ right now, it might apply to LTE) are the same thing as the two tiered plans, but the plans are allow 4G signals to be picked up. (not really sure how AT&T can block it like that, but apparently they can...i think) ***according to AT&T, anywhere you get a 3G signal, you'll also get HSPA+ signal because they piggyback each other.

so in theory: We all keep unlimited because we grandfathered in, we all get HSPA+ signal as soon as the phone launches tomorrow. I would expect some hiccups because the phone hasn't officially launched.


*and btw, this all my speculation as far as theories and stuff. I actually don't work at AT&T or have access to their policies/memos. I did however work for a Best Buy Mobile for about a week lol
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Thanks Antioch216. I once played one on TV, too. I hope you are correct though. Anyone else have a reply, I'd be appreciative.
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im gonna wait a week i just hope there is some left lol
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Old February 13th, 2011, 09:25 AM   #34 (permalink)
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im gonna wait a week i just hope there is some left lol
Don't forget the 30 day return policy. Get it while you can and if it fails return it. Easy as that.
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