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Old June 16th, 2014, 03:55 PM   #101 (permalink)
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One possibly sensible reason why the M9 prime might be released ahead of the M9 is the Silver program. Currently rumored for circa February per EVleaks.

Perhaps today's primes will become tomorrow's Silvers.

Its been reported that Google will be kicking in on costs for prime-worthy devices.

It may be possible then to offer a higher spec'd version of a given phone at a similar price to its non sanctioned counterpart.

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If HTC One M8 Prime is released this year, how would the camera sticking out be handled by consumers? A special case or what? Like how would the lens be protected while carrying in your purse or whatever?
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If HTC One M8 Prime is released this year, how would the camera sticking out be handled by consumers? A special case or what? Like how would the lens be protected while carrying in your purse or whatever?
Ark: We don't that these rumors are true anymore. In fact, there may never be an M8 Prime. To the best of my knowledge and from the rumors, this model has been killed. We don't know what, if anything, is replacing it. As my friend, Early said, good question.
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Hi Steven! Well I'm hoping that most of the M8 Prime rumored specs at least turn up in the M9 early next year. Would be perfect timing for me. Bought this Galaxy Note 3 in November 2013 so will want to upgrade sometime around the 1 year mark. Like the way the HTC Ones look aesthetically. Also, love the look of that aluminum liquid silicone case. Hope that M9 specs and/or features are industry leading to make purchase desirable at that time. Will try to sell Note 3 to defray cost of new phone.
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The note 3 is amazing tech. Frankly, for me? That's still the phone if the year. I don't know. I may wait for the note 4. My options are wide open.
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Note 3 is pretty cool. The only things I dislike are the sound volume and quality, slow camera speed and the autocorrect. HTC One M9 supposed to have great sound. Will have to check out the other things.

Note 4 specs do sound sexah! Still may opt for HTC One M9 though due to aesthetics. I know that sounds superficial but I really think Note 3 is not artistic design. Plus I hate the plastic body.
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Actually, I bought a note 3 on the verizon edge plan. I returned it for several reasons. Primarily, because I didn't want to part with my unlimited, even if they gave me 6 gb data. I liked the phone, though.
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HTC having second thoughts?

http://www.nexus-lab.com/2014/06/21/htc-one-m8-prime-nexus-8-informazioni/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=htc-one-m8-prime-nexus-8-informazioni
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How so?

We're expecting a new model later this year.
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Thought latest was HTC one M8 prime on hold indefinitely. From what I could gather from this Italian article and google translate sounds like may be on again?
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Thought latest was HTC one M8 prime on hold indefinitely. From what I could gather from this Italian article and google translate sounds like may be on again?
Day after it was on hold, the same sort of phone called the Plus was not.

And of course BGR believes that it's going to be the M9 Prime at the beginning of next year.

What's almost certainly happening is HTC has and is producing and evaluating a number of prototypes with a fair likelihood that no one group checking one out has any visibility into the existence of the other prototypes.

That's actually a really common practice but too complicated for blog writers to understand.

In one of our rumor / prereleases, we had someone come forward showing prototype differences (flying in the face of the reporters insisting that theirs was "the" real story). Unfortunately, they caught him and legal got messy but in the end they were cool with him. And I can't post links as proof, they're gone.

So it comes down to this -

Do you think that HTC, after having acclaim for the best phone of 2014 until the QHD screen on the LG G3 hit, and staring down prime models coming this year from LG and Samsung to compete with the upcoming iPhone 6, is going to stand pat or also release a fall prime?

Or, as BGR contends, they don't want any of those pesky holiday sales and they're going to release their prime after new years?

Because I think that's what it's really about.

Me, I don't care about the tipsters, I think they'll go for a fall prime of some sort.
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Well I think HTC has the issue that it just introduced the One M8 in March so it would piss off its customers. Conversely if they don't launch a phone pretty close to specs in Italian article (Snapdragon 805, 3 GB RAM, QHD), they won't really be competitive with Samsung.
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Well I think HTC has the issue that it just introduced the One M8 in March so it would piss off its customers. Conversely if they don't launch a phone pretty close to specs in Italian article (Snapdragon 805, 3 GB RAM, QHD), they won't really be competitive with Samsung.
Yeah I have no sympathy with pissed off customers.

You either buy the phone you need and want or you compromise because your old one broke early or something.

Waaa, Waaa, Waaa, my phone doesn't have the bestest spec and benchmark numbers because months later they came out with a new one, Waaa!

People who decided to wait to see what's coming in the Fall ought not have to wait until next Spring because of a bunch of entitled crybabies.

You can buy a phone today and a "better" one can come out tomorrow.

Did you get anxious to be cool and not wait? Then shut up.

Did your phone suddenly stop being what you wanted? Then you didn't buy the phone you wanted in the first place. So shut up, that's not HTC's fault either.

I was sure I wanted the Prime. I'm sure when it comes out, I'll wish I had one.

I also wish I had a flying car.

But I made an adult decision to not wait and I'm completely satisfied with my new M8.

Sorry if that sounds cold but most adult behavior is.
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Guess what I did.. Shhhh... I converted a red m8 over to art at the Verizon store. I felt so baaaad.
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Oh, nice.

And did you test out the stock camera after doing that beta trick?

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Kind of hope HTC does decide to release in September because I'd love to sell my Note 3 and get the One M8 Prime (assuming it has the 805, 3 GB RAM, QHD). They need to be cutting edge if they have any hope of surviving. They were late with the 1080 p screen. Samsung beat them by 4 months.
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That was meant for Steven. Still getting the hang of the forums. I hit reply on Steven's post but I think it just came out in time order.
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Kind of hope HTC does decide to release in September because I'd love to sell my Note 3 and get the One M8 Prime (assuming it has the 805, 3 GB RAM, QHD). They need to be cutting edge if they have any hope of surviving. They were late with the 1080 p screen. Samsung beat them by 4 months.
Ummm... I think you missed the memo. (nothing personal ok)

The world's first 1080p screen came on the HTC J Butterfly, released December 2012.

Samsung was months behind and when they did get it out, it was once again PenTile, meaning more like quasi-1080p because it had one third fewer sub-pixels.
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And no one's ever heard of the HTC J Butterfly because...?
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And no one's ever heard of the HTC J Butterfly because...?
Because when it released on Verizon in 2012 it was called the Droid DNA.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/16/htc-droid-dna-review/

That was followed by the release of the HTC One M7 worldwide in March 2013 and making it out to US carriers (except Verizon who already had the DNA) in April.

Following that in late April, Samsung released the SGS4.

HTC had already produced multiple 1080p models for 5 months prior to that.

First Android was HTC. First low noise camera on an Android came from HTC. First 4G phone in the US came from HTC. First front facing stereo speakers came from HTC (years ago). First front facing camera came on an Android from HTC, before the iPhone 4.

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HTC obviously couldn't produce Droid DNA at a profit. Key part of being cutting edge. #fail HTC Posts Yearly Sales Numbers, Lowest Profit Since 2004 | Droid Life
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Yeah.

That's when the Apple lawsuits were in full swing, and they were very clear - take down the Android makers one at a time with nonsense lawsuits, beginning with the first member of the family - HTC.

That drove investors nuts, following Apple's successful ploy to get my 2012 phone held up in customs - over a feature that it turned out Apple stole from Microsoft.

Also - note my edits on the post above.

Calling out a financial fact out of context and drawing the wrong conclusion after learning that HTC pioneered a feature - #biggerfail

All in good fun.

If you want to know about HTC's real mistakes, ask me.

I'll be happy to list those as well.

But not among them - most of the quasi-financial analysis done by blog writers without a business background OK.
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Oh, nice.

And did you test out the stock camera after doing that beta trick?

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No that's not true. My original conclusion stands. HTC couldn't turn a profit with a "cutting edge" product. Lawsuits are a part of the territory and generally nowhere near the multi billions in revenue for a major company. This article says htc paid msft $5/phone. Not much. Paid apple $1 billion in summer and settled in November which was probably a per phone cost so didn't affect current profits. Had revenues in 2012 of $10 or 11 billion ($9.2 billion jan-nov). Anyway too tired. Will write more tomorrow. Goodnight.
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/apple-and-htc-reach-patent-peace-but-at-what-cost/
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No that's not true. My original conclusion stands. HTC couldn't turn a profit with a "cutting edge" product. Lawsuits are a part of the territory and generally nowhere near the multi billions in revenue for a major company. This article says htc paid msft $5/phone. Not much. Paid apple $1 billion in summer and settled in November which was probably a per phone cost so didn't affect current profits. Had revenues in 2012 of $10 or 11 billion ($9.2 billion jan-nov). Anyway too tired. Will write more tomorrow. Goodnight.
I'm sorry but lower profits after lawsuits does not equal did not turn a profit.

First with 1080p and at a profit - HTC.

Read up well my friend, I have followed *every* case as it's happened. If you want to know the rest, read more than one article. We're talking about multiple lawsuits here.

Including the spat with Samsung.

And if you want to go along with the idea that market fears compounded by ill-informed blog writers helping to tear down sales had no effect, we'll have to agree to disagree. I've heard and responded to this moving target conversation for years.

The bottom line is that Samsung was not first here as you thought.

Despite HTC doing consistently what you said that they needed to do - get ahead with innovation - every time they do, they get roasted by jackals in the press.

Look up how recently HTC's new model outsold the record breaking Samsung from the previous year and then read how the blog writers managed to report that as an epic fail because Samsung broke a new record that new year.
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Now go read what happened after that.

The last word is all yours, I have nothing more to add.

Have a good night!
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Genius.

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The reason I didn't know about Droid DNA is because it was a massive failure. By not turn a profit I meant much profit ie enough to warrant staying in business. You can't deny htc costs were too high relative to the price they could generate for the Droid DNA. That's a fail. Any company can produce something cutting edge but the key is: at what cost?
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The reason I didn't know about Droid DNA is because it was a massive failure. By not turn a profit I meant much profit ie enough to warrant staying in business. You can't deny htc costs were too high relative to the price they could generate for the Droid DNA. That's a fail. Any company can produce something cutting edge but the key is: at what cost?
Ummm.

OK, it was followed by the HTC One, perhaps you've heard of it, that still came out with 1080p before Samsung did and it was a massive success.

Does that count or are we just going to agree that Samsung was really first?
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Still couldn't produce it at any where near meaningful profit. They actually had loss in 3rd quarter 2013. Again that's bleeding edge, not leading edge. I hope things go better for htc with the one m8 prime. Deep down I'm rooting for them.
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Interesting thing about Verizon marketing and everyone agreeing (except for the recent ascendancy of AT&T) that Verizon has the most subscribers -

It's easy to believe that what Verizon does is the lion's share of what's important in sales.

The reality is that approximately 2/3 of the US and all of the rest of the world are not Verizon customers and we don't see sales and phones through the jailhouse bars that Verizon puts people behind.

I will grant that according to Verizon, HTC phones are the last to get features, even when they really aren't.

If you're on Verizon, you could very well be among the last to see the HTC One Prime.

Verizon gets away with it, being a minority supplier.
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Yes perhaps my view was clouded by a Verizon lens. Wish there was a cheaper but still good (coverage wise) alternative. But the wireless carriers are pretty much an oligopoly. Verizon supposedly 4G LTE but was noticing in California Pizza Kitchen yesterday that even in North Raleigh I was getting 3G. Kinda disappointing.
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Yes perhaps my view was clouded by a Verizon lens. Wish there was a cheaper but still good (coverage wise) alternative. But the wireless carriers are pretty much an oligopoly. Verizon supposedly 4G LTE but was noticing in California Pizza Kitchen yesterday that even in North Raleigh I was getting 3G. Kinda disappointing.
Isn't that the truth!

I've tried another carrier recently to see if it makes sense to switch - I've been on all of them over the years, often more than once - and it's just a moving target.

T-Mobile is really nailing it in New Mexico now, easily the best - except - I'd pay more for that, be on the glorious no-contract plan and then have no consumer contract protections after the Sprint acquisition goes through.

It really makes you stop and think - we led the world in wired telecommunications technology - yet we're suffering from the worst service and corporate shell games under wireless.

Meanwhile, they try to upgrade a tower next to my office and I had to reprovision my phone after the wrong LTE test signal borked it.

I guess all I can say is that I get New Mexico green chile and you get North Carolina barbeque (my favorite btw) so we got that going for us.
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I used to live in santa fe! Loved the big skies, mountains and arts but the elevation intensified effects of low red blood cell count and I missed green grass and trees. If money weren't an issue I'd live in northern california.

I like the t mobile unlimited plan for $50 but was thinking about it and i pay $70/month on Verizon for unlimited phone and text & 1 GB data and my (leftover) $20/month lumia 822 contract (my brother convinced me to get that phone cuz he was interested from an IT perspective and I hated it). Don't really use the data much so switching wouldn't really help.

Learned in school that different plans offered by phone carriers equates to monopoly. Kind of oversimplifying but in effect they are able to charge you for the level of service you use. Whereas in perfect competition there is one set price and those who use more benefit more. That's basically in combination with oligopoly where they all basically charge the same for the various plans. T mobile maybe slightly cheaper.
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http://phandroid.com/2014/07/03/fake-rumors-lol/

Same guy who first leaked the Prime, same guy who said that the Prime was dead.
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