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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm not a big photo buff. I read the article... meh. I guess we'll see once the phone is released. I don't need magnificent photos from my phone anyway. Most of what I take gets sized down and shared. What I do need of a phone camera is a quick point and shoot that will capture the moment. If it lends a bit more depth to my photos.. cool. If it works well under poor lighting.. very cool. I don't think there will ever be a phone that replaces a slr.
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Found a leaked pic of the dual M8 cameras at evleaks: https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/441247267878494208

I must say it's an interesting look. The exact functionality is yet to be realized.
I'm excited.
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Found a leaked pic of the dual M8 cameras at evleaks: https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/441247267878494208

I must say it's an interesting look. The exact functionality is yet to be realized.
I'm excited.
Refocusing shots would be awesome...
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The popular theory is that by design it will allow more depth of pic. I'm not a photo freak and know very little about such. I'm for anything that will help me take a decent pic lol.
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Front camera confirmed as 5MP, Rear cameras 4.1MP, and 2MP. Dual flash designed to normalize colors. Second camera designed for depth of field effects, multipoint refocusing, and 3D effects. This is not a true 3D camera but the depth of field enhancement allows for for an enhanced "3D experience"
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Front camera confirmed as 5MP, Rear cameras 4.1MP, and 2MP. Dual flash designed to normalize colors. Second camera designed for depth of field effects, multipoint refocusing, and 3D effects. This is not a true 3D camera but the depth of field enhancement allows for for an enhanced "3D experience"
4.1MP and 2MP?

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I wouldn't say it's bad until we get some real world reviews. I have a feeling it is going to be a really good camera. They have had a year to refine the failings of the HTC One Ultra Pixel cam.
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Why are people so bent out of shape by 4MP? I thought we killed that "more pixels = better quality" already.
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Why are people so bent out of shapeMP? I thought we killed that "more pixels = better quality" already.
Are you blind? There is so little detail compared to other devices and that gap will only increase when compared to the new phones like the Galaxy S5.

Read this and look at the image comparisons, the only test the HTC One does well in was the night test, in everything else it's below average for a camera phone.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Camera-Comparison-iPhone-5s-vs-LG-G2-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3-Galaxy-S4-HTC-One-Motorola-Moto-X-DROID-Ultra_id3447
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Are you blind? There is so little detail compared to other devices and that gap will only increase when compared to the new phones like the Galaxy S5.

Read this and look at the image comparisons, the only test the HTC One does well in was the night test, in everything else it's below average for a camera phone.

Camera Comparison: iPhone 5s vs LG G2, Samsung Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy S4, HTC One, Motorola Moto X, DROID Ultra
Those comparisons are for last years One, not this one. Noone is saying last years had a good camera.
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Are you blind? There is so little detail compared to other devices and that gap will only increase when compared to the new phones like the Galaxy S5.

Read this and look at the image comparisons, the only test the HTC One does well in was the night test, in everything else it's below average for a camera phone.

Camera Comparison: iPhone 5s vs LG G2, Samsung Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy S4, HTC One, Motorola Moto X, DROID Ultra
I never said that the One had a great camera, but it's shortfall isn't the 4MP image size. The one place a higher resolution camera is a big benefit is in zooming or cropping. Aside from that, a good quality 4MP camera will give you better quality images than an average 8MP camera. There is so much more to quality that megapixels.

That said, I expect better PQ out of the new One. But just because it's still 4MP don't assume the PQ won't be improved.
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Those comparisons are for last years One, not this one. Noone is saying last years had a good camera.
Good, I'm glad because it wasn't.

But the post in the review I linked to was about detail, the reason the HTC One does so poorly here is because of the 4MP camera. If the new HTC One has a 4.1MP camera then it's not going to change anything.
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The idea sounds pretty awesome. Fingers crossed it works well enough!
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I wouldn't say the 2013 One camera was bad, but it wasn't on rival with other phones. Lacked much detail. I wasn't a big camera junkie, but a while back after having a phone that had a really nice camera in it's time (iPhone 5) you don't want to go back. Now owning a Note 3 I definitely don't want to go back. I really enjoy taking pictures and recording.
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So it's been confirmed that you can refocus pictures after they're taken...but do you need a 2nd lens to do that? If so, then the dual camera is meant for that.
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So it's been confirmed that you can refocus pictures after they're taken...but do you need a 2nd lens to do that? If so, then the dual camera is meant for that.
You can do the same on the Galaxy S5, Galaxy S5 does it by taking a quick series of photos, which it does very quickly.

I don't see the point in the second camera.
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The S5 takes multiple photos using different focal points, and uses software for refocusing.
The HTC M8 uses a hardware solution, which is better by using a second camera to captue depth information.
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The S5 takes multiple photos using different focal points, and uses software for refocusing.
The HTC M8 uses a hardware solution, which is better by using a second camera to captue depth information.
Well based the hands on video's the Galaxy S5 does a pretty good job.
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Wow, it's even worse than I imagined, it's the same Camera Sensor but this time with no Optical Image Stabilization.

Why HTC!?
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Well based the hands on video's the Galaxy S5 does a pretty good job.


Yes it does, but it has to use an algorithm to determine focus points and hope it gets it right, the second camera provides actual data with one shot allowing for on the fly refocusing and a better chance of "getting it right".


Only tie will tell though. The software is still an important aspect and if HTC screws up the camera (purple haze) than I will give up on HTC. They have had a year to get it right.
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Cramming more pixels on to a very tiny sensor does nothing for image quality. The old One with its low light capabilities is frankly quite remarkable. Being able to capture shots inside a darkened night club or restaurant is great. For real photography no one grabs there smart phone. More pixels is marketing speak for oh look more pixels it must be better. I promise you my old Nikon D40 and its 6MP sensor will extract more detail and be considerably sharper then that 41MP Nokia phone which is a joke.
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Well it's not pretty, compared to devices from last year it comes out in last place and this is flagship device in 2014.

Check out the link, not much of an improvement over the M7, the colour accuracy has improved but it used to be terrible so it wasn't hard to improve upon. The samples are well not very impressive.

Surprised the Galaxy S4 came out on top though.


Camera comparison: HTC One (M8) vs Samsung Galaxy S4, Galaxy Note 3, iPhone 5s, LG G2, Nexus 5, Nokia Lumia 1520, Sony Xperia Z1S - Conclusion
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I don't put much weight behind camera opinions by a phone review website. The most important factor in taking nice photos isn't the phone it's the phone user. Give Ansel Adams a smartphone he'd have shot a masterpiece.Why? Because the most important factor is the artist. No one asked Picasso what brand of brushes he used, they just revelled in what his mind and hands could create. Perusing those ratings is almost meaningless.
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Then don't, look a the samples yourself. They're not hiding anything.
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Cramming more pixels on to a very tiny sensor does nothing for image quality.
And unless phonearena.com and other review sites are a bunch of total noobs with a smartphone camera, neither does removing half or two-thirds of the pixels improve image quality. This is an HTC engineering fail served up in a market baloney sandwich. If the results were unequivocally superior to last year's 8-13 MP cameras, this thread would look a whole lot different. Now we wait and see how it fares against the coming onslaught of improved 2014 cameras.
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I'll take HTC build quality and Sense with a less than stellar camera over Samsung build quality of with TouchWiz and the best camera ever invented.
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I'll take HTC build quality and Sense with a less than stellar camera over Samsung build quality of with TouchWiz and the best camera ever invented.
I'd take durable polycarbinate build with the latest mobile camera technology any day, if I had to choose one.

But we all have different priority's, some of us buy phones for features and latest hardware, some buy them just because they look good.

Enjoy your HTC One M8.
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I don't put much weight behind camera opinions by a phone review website. The most important factor in taking nice photos isn't the phone it's the phone user. Give Ansel Adams a smartphone he'd have shot a masterpiece.Why? Because the most important factor is the artist. No one asked Picasso what brand of brushes he used, they just revelled in what his mind and hands could create. Perusing those ratings is almost meaningless.
I know that picture composition and angle is the most important to capture a good shot, but picture quality has nothing to do with the photographer, but the equipment, otherwise professional SLR cameras would not exist. I change my phones all the time and no phone even comes close to the GS4 camera. All the shots come out just right. I use it as a backup to my Canon SLR and once posted online, nobody notices the difference. The only issue I have with the GS4 is the crappy plastic cladding. I wish it wore the body of the HTC One. I was hoping that this year, either HTC improved the camera or Samsung gave its new flagship an a metal body. Alas none happened, so I'll probably have to look elsewhere for my next flagship phone as neither HTC nor Samsung have a real flagship worthy of that name IMO.
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I'd take durable polycarbinate build with the latest mobile camera technology any day, if I had to choose one.

But we all have different priority's, some of us buy phones for features and latest hardware, some buy them just because they look good.

Enjoy your HTC One M8.
This from a guy who buys a phone because of its camera.....

I couldn't care less about what it looks like. Other than the camera, what is the M8 missing? You mention features and latest hardware, that's exactly what the M8 has.
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Alas none happened, so I'll probably have to look elsewhere for my next flagship phone as neither HTC nor Samsung have a real flagship worthy of that name IMO.
The Galaxy S5's camera is meant to be pretty good, 16MP and it's using ISOCELL should help it capture more light so it will come better in low light conditions as well as other benefits.

Read the link below, just accept the plastic as it's got it's advantages as well.

Here is why the Samsung ISOCELL CMOS sensor in the Galaxy S5 is so awesome [VIDEO]
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I'll take HTC build quality and Sense with a less than stellar camera over Samsung build quality of with TouchWiz and the best camera ever invented.
I agree 100%. Shame about the camera but I can live with it. I own a Samsung tablet and have spent some time with my father's Note 3 and absolutely loathe Touchwiz.
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I couldn't care less about what it looks like.
Everything you've said suggests otherwise.

Anyway the only unique feature the HTC One has is the stereo speakers, otherwise it's really not that different.

HTC One does lack 4K video recording but that's not possible with a 4MP camera and it's not water or dust resistant and no removable battery.

There are also the new gimmicky features like the fingerprint scanner and heartrate monitor.

I like the design on the HTC One and if they included a reasonable camera I would have bought one because I want a new phone, but I don't want to buy a new phone that has a worse camera than the phone I'm currently using.
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Everything you've said suggests otherwise.

Anyway the only unique feature the HTC One has is the stereo speakers, otherwise it's really not that different.

HTC One does lack 4K video recording but that's not possible with a 4MP camera and it's not water or dust resistant and no removable battery.

There are also the new gimmicky features like the fingerprint scanner and heartrate monitor.

I like the design on the HTC One and if they included a reasonable camera I would have bought one because I want a new phone, but I don't want to buy a new phone that has a worse camera than the phone I'm currently using.
Looks waterproof to me...

All New HTC One (M8) Water Test - Water Resistant? - YouTube
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Galaxy S5 is IP67 certified, HTC One M8 is not or they would have advertised this.

Try it yourself, I dare you.
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This thread is meandering way off topic. We're supposed to be discussing the HTC One M8 camera here.
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Try it yourself, go on and post a video.
I'll pass.

I will, however, be happy to take some comparison photos. I have the M8 (obviously), my wife has the M7, and I still have my DNA. My guess would be that the DNA wins in good light, the M8 wins in low light, and the M7 never wins.

That said, I never rely on my phone for any important photo. I generally am just snapping a quick photo to send to someone, and for that, I am quite sure the M8 will be just fine. And since it will likely take better indoor photos than most, it may even be better for my purposes.

Obviously everyone's needs are different. If you need a camera replacement quality image, the M8 isn't for you.

I do wish HTC had put a better camera in the M8, but the rest of the phone is so good, I'll be just fine.
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I will, however, be happy to take some comparison photos. I have the M8 (obviously), my wife has the M7, and I still have my DNA. My guess would be that the DNA wins in good light, the M8 wins in low light, and the M7 never wins.

I do wish HTC had put a better camera in the M8, but the rest of the phone is so good, I'll be just fine.
Please post some pictures as that would at least get the thread back on topic.

Can't comment on the DNA, was never released here and I know next to nothing about it.
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FWIW it takes excellent whiteboard pics (I'm at work, taking whiteboard pics is something I do).
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Wee need some real-world pictures
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You want me to post my whiteboard pic?

On a serious note, there isn't much to take pics of at the moment. It's pretty bland outside. I'll see what I can find.
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Here's a sample pic. Not the greatest, but it was where I was going. Looks fine to me.

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EDIT: I shot that in 4:3 which apparently reduces resolution quite a bit. That's a change from both my Inc4G and my DNA, as both of those shot highest resolution in 4:3 and lower in 16:9. So I guess leaving the M8 in 16:9 is the way to go.
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I'm gonna chime in for a second...Comparing the S5 shooter to the M8 is ridiculous. The S5 is a 16mp shooter that is pretty much awesome. The M8 is just not meant to be awesome, it's filled with gimmicks and is not in HTC's priority basket, which is fine because not everyone buys a phone to take pictures, or even uses their phone to any pics at all.

Ok as for me, I need a phone that takes pretty awesome pics! I will leave final judgement up to myself when I visit at&t over the weekend, if they don't have them in stock I'll head over to VZW and check it out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxKoqwOuVFo

I don't know what gimmick your referring to but Samsung S line has more gimmick than any smart phone out there. For me the camera is not that important as long as it can get the job done. I prefer the better sounding speakers over the camera.
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I don't know what gimmick your referring to but Samsung S line has more gimmick than any smart phone out there. For me the camera is not that important as long as it can get the job done. I prefer the better sounding speakers over the camera.

In 2014 and the price they are asking for this phone off contract we should get both!
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I don't know what gimmick your referring to but Samsung S line has more gimmick than any smart phone out there.
He's obviously referring only to the cameras on the S5 and One M8, not the two lines of phones. And, yes, both cameras are gimmicky, but unlike the One, the S5 is going to take fantastic pictures. Even an S4 can do better:

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The new One does do far better than last yearís camera, which took almost hilariously bad photos in spots ó color depth is particularly improved ó but this is not a good camera. Iíd rather use the iPhone 5S, any of a number of Nokia phones, or even the Galaxy S4 or Nexus 5. They donít do as many wacky things (well, the S4 does), but they take good pictures. Iím in the business of taking good pictures.
Gimmicks are ok only if the primary functions of the device are sound. I can turn off SmartStay on my S4, but you can't "turn on" a good camera on the One.
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The Verge is the last place anyone would want as for review.When it comes to a Android device the big tech guru's tend to down play android devices. Those wacky things is just an option that OEM provide. Its not required if you just want to take a photo and that's it. I own the one and now a nexus with 8 megapixel and I don't see a big advantage with the nexus.
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I use my Nikon D7100 to take good looking photo's.
I use my smartphone camera if I want to share funny moments on Whatsapp or to send info about something where a picture sometimes is better then only text. Things like that. 6 megapixels is more then enough for that.
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I use my Nikon D7100 to take good looking photo's.
I use my smartphone camera if I want to share funny moments on Whatsapp or to send info about something where a picture sometimes is better then only text. Things like that. 6 megapixels is more then enough for that.
That's cool, but in my line of work, from time-to-time I need to take good photos and I can't lug around a full DSLR for when I do. Sometimes I have to take pictures from a distance, so a 4MP smartphone camera won't do either because the only option I have is cropping. My S4's camera does fine, the M8's would not. And I could care less about posting pictures on social media sites.

For all of those who think anyone dissatisfied with the M8's camera is just biased (I won't start quoting you, but you know who you are), please read this:

I was going to switch my iPhone 5s for an HTC One (M8), butÖ | Pocketnow

There are legitimate reasons why the M8's camera is a deal breaker for some, and not being satisfied with it is not a sign of bias or hate on HTC.
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I see reviews that say the m8 can't handle scenes with high dynamic range. I wonder if they used the hdr mode? This didn't come out good in auto mode (either the sky was blown out or the foreground was too dark,depending on where I focused) but in hdr mode it looks pretty good.
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