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Old December 2nd, 2009, 12:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I understand how important it is to have the latest information about the best new devices around. Currently there are plenty of rumors spreading around the internet about a device referred to as either the HTC Passion or the HTC Dragon. At this time, the device officially does not exist. There has been no announcement made by HTC regarding this device, whether it be for the worldwide market or for a specific carrier (Verizon is the most commonly pointed at in these rumors.) With no announcement having been made, it is unknown what the device is from the pictures that have been seen. As it is unconfirmed that the device exists, so is it unknown when such a device might be released were it to exist. That picture [I sent a copy of the spy photo] does not seem to match the description I have heard of the Passion; I am not entirely sure what that is. Half the fun of waiting for new devices to be announced is the rumor mill; the most common description of the Passion I have heard is the HTC HD2 but running Android rather than Windows Mobile. I would love to be able to make some sort of confirmation, but the facts remain that there is no official acknowledgement of the existence of the device, and I have not heard anything unofficial that would counter that. The best way to keep up with official news is to keep an eye on HTC. You may also wish to follow the HTC Twitter account at www.twitter.com/htc, as announcements are often made on here.

If you have any other questions, feel free to contact us again. You can find additional support at our user forum www.htcwiki.com. There is also a customer satisfaction survey for you to take if you are interested.

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I said I would update IF I recieved a reply. This is what I got. Just wanted to share with you guys, take it however you want to.

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I said I would update IF I recieved a reply. This is what I got. Just wanted to share with you guys, take it however you want to.

Im not convinced the phone exists anymore either but this doesnt mean anything. If you would have emailed HTC two weeks before the Droid Eris came out (prior to it being announced) you would have probably received the same exact reply. Whether it exists or not, they will hide behind the "it has not been OFFICIALLY announced". Not until the carrier gives them the go ahead to officially announce the phone will you ever recieve confirmation.
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Your thread title is a blatant misrepresentation of the fact. The person refuses to officially confirm anything, stating only confirmed devices would be ones that he could acknowledge. Given nothing is confirmed thus far, his response is nothing more than an interesting addition to the pile of comments from people "on the inside."
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I said I would update IF I recieved a reply. This is what I got. Just wanted to share with you guys, take it however you want to.
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I would think that Motorola and Verizon would have said the same thing two weeks before the Droid launched. I do appreciate your post, but my hope is weak but I am holding on!!


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Your thread title is a blatant misrepresentation of the fact. The person refuses to officially confirm anything, stating only confirmed devices would be ones that he could acknowledge. Given nothing is confirmed thus far, his response is nothing more than an interesting addition to the pile of comments from people "on the inside."

While he did say there was no OFFICIAL info, he said that he has heard nothing unofficially to counter there being nothing officially.......

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but the facts remain that there is no official acknowledgement of the existence of the device, and I have not heard anything unofficial that would counter that.
Sorry to has mis represented, but he specifically said the phone did not exist.
I just put what he said in the title. So long as people read it and make up their own mind.

I too am a hopeful and think the phone exists, I'm just passing along the email I received like I said I was going to.
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This email reply you received does not convince me that hTc does NOT have something coming.
All I really got from it is that whoever wrote that, is denying anything "official" as of now.

I am not worried that nothing will come from hTc, as I know that they are working on new devices. (Who isn't??)

Find Drew Bamford from hTc in the Endgadget videos.

No worries here.
Good things come in time, just because I want the new rumored snapdragon running android device from hTc NOW...doesnt mean that I along with anyone else will get it...NOW.

The device will be ready, when hTc makes & says its ready.

Hang in there everybody.
hTc IS fully aware of what we all want as far as the community wanting something similar to the HD2 running android.
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I agree. The topic is misleading and wrong. It doesn't "officially" exist yet, but I'm convinced it is currently at Google. The only thing I'm frustrated about is not knowing if it will arrive this month, or sometime in the next three. I would hate to get the Droid, and then find out two days after my return date ends that it is being released two weeks after that.
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This email reply you received does not convince me that hTc does NOT have something coming.
All I really got from it is that whoever wrote that, is denying anything "official" as of now.

I am not worried that nothing will come from hTc, as I know that they are working on new devices. (Who isn't??)

Find Drew Bamford from hTc in the Endgadget videos.

No worries here.
Good things come in time, just because I want the new rumored snapdragon running android device from hTc NOW...doesnt mean that I along with anyone else will get it...NOW.

The device will be ready, when hTc makes & says its ready.

Hang in there everybody.
hTc IS fully aware of what we all want as far as the community wanting something similar to the HD2 running android.
I side with you completely.

The only reason i made the title what it is, is because he said " at this time the phone officially does not exist."

You can't say that something unofficially exists as it is just bad grammar.
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I would think that Motorola and Verizon would have said the same thing two weeks before the Droid launched. I do appreciate your post, but my hope is weak but I am holding on!!


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Untrue. Two weeks before the release of the DROID, DROID advert was in full effect with a full website, no pricing. Verizon held off announcing prices for that two weeks prior and held onto it until the final 5 days before release. Even before then, the DROID had been seen and spied with Verizon logos well before release. Maybe Motorola didn't keep tabs on it as tightly as HTC.
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I agree. The topic is misleading and wrong. It doesn't "officially" exist yet, but I'm convinced it is currently at Google. The only thing I'm frustrated about is not knowing if it will arrive this month, or sometime in the next three. I would hate to get the Droid, and then find out two days after my return date ends that it is being released two weeks after that.
Just because you believe the phone exists (as do I) doesn't make my title wrong.

In the email it says it does not exist. I did nothing more than put exactly what he said into the thread.
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Whatever you believe from this email, you have to be naive to think that HTC doesn't have a fancy phone waiting to run Android. The Eris CAN'T be their best Android offering, not with the HD2 sitting pretty out there with WinMo. HTC being the ones that went out on a limb with Android probably can't stand sitting around taking second fiddle to Motorola and the DROID hype.
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The way I see it is the Droid has the focus and any other possible competitor to it would be totally locked down to secrecy, otherwise it would destroy the droid's existing sales. I would imagine that there is no way anything would be even truly leaked until at least 30 dys after droids began sales and probably even 60 days just to lock in the moto droid base, so that any droid user dying for the newest phone would have to buy it at full price.

The way I see it, there is no way I am going to be stuck with a Moto droid for 2 years as lacking as that device is when Sense + Android 2.1 on anything resembling the HD2 hardware comes out even if it takes a year. I would go back and put up with my POS Touch pro. Droid is nice but it just doesn't, no matter what the commercial says. The HD2 hardware with HTC Sense + Android is the first device that has the potential to truly far exceed the Iphone and with Verizons obvious desire to crush Iphone and AT&T I cant imagine it happening sooner than later.
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Subject heading of this thread could be changed from:

HTC Confirms: Passion/Dragon Does Not Exist

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HTC confirms: Passion/Dragon Does Not Officially Exist

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HTC confirms rumors DO exist, but denies anything official...

you get the idea...
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Subject heading of this thread could be changed from:

HTC Confirms: Passion/Dragon Does Not Exist

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HTC confirms: Passion/Dragon Does Not Officially Exist

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HTC confirms rumors DO exist, but denies anything official...

you get the idea...
I would change it to the second one to please everyone. But I am unable to change thread titles. A Moderator or Admin will have to.....

Sorry I was only trying to pass on information I had gotten
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I think that post was pointless as you recived the same copy /paste email as another user...

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Hello, I understand how important it is to have the latest information about the best new devices around. Currently there are plenty of rumors spreading around the internet about a device referred to as either the HTC Passion or the HTC Dragon. At this time, the device officially does not exist. There has been no announcement made by HTC regarding this device, whether it be for the worldwide market or for a specific carrier (Verizon is the most commonly pointed at in these rumors.) With no announcement having been made, it is unknown what the device is from the pictures that have been seen. As it is unconfirmed that the device exists, so is it unknown when such a device might be released were it to exist. The best way to keep up with official news is to keep an eye on HTC. You may also wish to follow the HTC Twitter account at HTC (htc) on Twitter, as announcements are often made on here. If you have any other questions, feel free to contact us again. You can find additional support at our user forum HTC Smartphone Wiki - HTC. There is also a customer satisfaction survey for you to take if you are interested. HTC Technical Support HTC
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Whatever you believe from this email, you have to be naive to think that HTC doesn't have a fancy phone waiting to run Android. The Eris CAN'T be their best Android offering, not with the HD2 sitting pretty out there with WinMo. HTC being the ones that went out on a limb with Android probably can't stand sitting around taking second fiddle to Motorola and the DROID hype.
From the latest leaks, I would assume that HTC is trying to get sense to work on the existing Android Phones (puuting them on 2.1) before releasing ANOTHER new device. BUT that being said, what was that phone seen in France that COULD have been the Passion.(Which would be another HTC Android device, as you said) It's in a few threads down.

I'm just sayin....
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Whatever you believe from this email, you have to be naive to think that HTC doesn't have a fancy phone waiting to run Android. The Eris CAN'T be their best Android offering, not with the HD2 sitting pretty out there with WinMo. HTC being the ones that went out on a limb with Android probably can't stand sitting around taking second fiddle to Motorola and the DROID hype.
Yep but I bet HTC is doing everything they can to abide by Verizon's desires because they have the network for their devices to proliferate. Even though MotoDroid was leaked, it was probably the tightest closest to release date info so far and the leaks would have not been detrimental to moto or Verizon whereas a leak of a MotoDroid/iPhone killer HTC android device would be very detrimental to Moto. Not as detrimental to Verizon, but Moto is on it's last legs and if verizon allowed them to be crushed then HTC would be the monopolistic Android handset maker which would be detrimental to Verizon.
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I think that post was pointless as you recived the same copy /paste email as another user...
While it did contain the same copy/paste base facts, my email did have some other things that weren't in your quote. thus, mine had info that your quoted email did not.

That being said, I wouldn't have posted my thread at all, regardless of thinking it had some different things in it if I had known there was already a post with the similar email. I apologize, as I did not know anyone else had made that post.
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The way I see it is the Droid has the focus and any other possible competitor to it would be totally locked down to secrecy, otherwise it would destroy the droid's existing sales. I would imagine that there is no way anything would be even truly leaked until at least 30 dys after droids began sales and probably even 60 days just to lock in the moto droid base, so that any droid user dying for the newest phone would have to buy it at full price.

The way I see it, there is no way I am going to be stuck with a Moto droid for 2 years as lacking as that device is when Sense + Android 2.1 on anything resembling the HD2 hardware comes out even if it takes a year. I would go back and put up with my POS Touch pro. Droid is nice but it just doesn't, no matter what the commercial says. The HD2 hardware with HTC Sense + Android is the first device that has the potential to truly far exceed the Iphone and with Verizons obvious desire to crush Iphone and AT&T I cant imagine it happening sooner than later.
How do you know that? 1) How do you know that HTC will be running Sense + 2.1? From what's been rumored, it's only running 2.0. What makes the DROID so lacking? Have you even owned one to give it a fair shake? My bet is no, you haven't. Sense UI is just a skin for Android -- a 3rd party app.

As far as HD2 hardware is concerned, nothing I've seen so far impresses me, even at full clock, especially since it got its butt handed to it by an iPhone 3Gs running the OMAP3 SOC processor. As far as dethroning said iPhone, the HTC no matter how powerful people think it might be, or how slick it UI, it still suffers from the same problems that cripples any phones attempt to knock off the iPhone:

1) No iTunes environment, market interface is still lacking
2) No widespread adoption in applications (10K vs. 100K)
3) No widespread availability of 3rd party accessories, etc.

Until then, no matter how slick the device, iPhone will always win. Because if the DROID proved anything, it's faster, it's screen is more brilliant, it's powerful... but it still hasn't swayed iPhone users. The one knock is that it doesn't look like a chick phone. HTC may have that, but still won't get people moving away from iPhone to get it.
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We appreciate you posting the info you got. Next time avoid the New York Times type, misleading, headline....

(especially with a crowd as tightly wound and anxious as this one)
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How do you know that? 1) How do you know that HTC will be running Sense + 2.1? From what's been rumored, it's only running 2.0.
Is he referring to the Passion running 2.1 and Sense? Or the fact that HTC is going to be running Sense UI (Which is an HTC function, not a 3rd party app btw) on Android 2.1, on devices such as the Hero and Droid Eris (which is the latest rumor)
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We appreciate you posting the info you got. Next time avoid the New York Times type, misleading, headline....

(especially with a crowd as tightly wound and anxious as this one)
LOL what can I say, I was born to write for a paper

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Is he referring to the Passion running 2.1 and Sense? Or the fact that HTC is going to be running Sense UI (Which is an HTC function, not a 3rd party app btw) on Android 2.1, on devices such as the Hero and Droid Eris (which is the latest rumor)
I think he was implying that Passion would be running 2.1 and Sense. That's not been confirmed. But yes, 2.1 will be coming to Hero/Eris as well as DROID by the end of the month or early January. Okay, Sense UI is a 2nd party app. HTC developed it and it sits on top of Android OS.
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I think he was implying that Passion would be running 2.1 and Sense. That's not been confirmed. But yes, 2.1 will be coming to Hero/Eris as well as DROID by the end of the month or early January. Okay, Sense UI is a 2nd party app. HTC developed it and it sits on top of Android OS.
He is wrong then.
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How do you know that? 1) How do you know that HTC will be running Sense + 2.1? From what's been rumored, it's only running 2.0. What makes the DROID so lacking? Have you even owned one to give it a fair shake? My bet is no, you haven't. Sense UI is just a skin for Android -- a 3rd party app.

As far as HD2 hardware is concerned, nothing I've seen so far impresses me, even at full clock, especially since it got its butt handed to it by an iPhone 3Gs running the OMAP3 SOC processor. As far as dethroning said iPhone, the HTC no matter how powerful people think it might be, or how slick it UI, it still suffers from the same problems that cripples any phones attempt to knock off the iPhone:

1) No iTunes environment, market interface is still lacking
2) No widespread adoption in applications (10K vs. 100K)
3) No widespread availability of 3rd party accessories, etc.

Until then, no matter how slick the device, iPhone will always win. Because if the DROID proved anything, it's faster, it's screen is more brilliant, it's powerful... but it still hasn't swayed iPhone users. The one knock is that it doesn't look like a chick phone. HTC may have that, but still won't get people moving away from iPhone to get it.
Actually i have had 2 Droids since launch day and have plenty i have said and can take many paragraphs to describe the basic features that it is lacking.

Sense UI is not a skin. Apparently you must not have thoroughly used Android devices because then you would know sense includes many enhancements that fill/ed several gaping holes in the Android OS that are no where near adequately filled by any current apps in the market.

IMO iPhone has set the benchmark extremely high but saying always win is a naive statement. Iphone is an infant. 3rd in installed base to Symbian & BBOS. Windows Mobile used to be one of the kings but is dying fast.

Ipod touch installed base and Itunes environment is a big plus in the Apple camp, but the closed and limited nature of it could be it's downfall. Android is well positioned to be a true competitor.

I could be content with MotoDroid for 2 years if I had to but it certainly falls well short of not only the iPhone but even further short that big red's own advertisements. I know the HD2 style device with Sense plus android wont be perfect but I know it would go much further than MotoDroid would/has towards besting iPhone. Which would make me more content than i am with the droid, some times referred to by my cursing while driving as the Roid....
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He is wrong then.
I guess i am wrong for assuming by implication that they would have 2.1 on the new handset they release after the current HTC devices (Hero which already has installable leaked 2.1 firmware) which will be already have been OTA upgraded to 2.1....
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Sense UI is just a skin for Android -- a 3rd party app.
Yeah, just a skin. With lock screen music control, music & media player, camera software all which which destroy what is on the droid or available in the apps store.

Oh I'm sorry a skin that also includes a unified mail app, web browser, document viewer, photo/video gallery all with multitouch and that destroy anything on or available for the droid. You can't even swipe photos in the droid's gallery.

Oh I forgot to mention that "skin" also has an intelligent soft keyboard that smokes both the hard and soft keyboard on the Droid, there's no comparison.

Oh I'm sorry... that "skin" also has a dialer that has larger clear contact photos vs the droids blurry thumbnail images and it has smartdial... You know that novel concept that is on just about every handset except the droid.... you know, the droid that does....

Not to mention the numerous useful homescreen widgets that that "skin" includes, like actual working and useful facebook, twitter, photo gallery, mail, calendar etc, where the native android equivalents are dumbwidgets with nothing more than simple display functionality. Of course you only need 3 homescreens with the droid, because the native android widgets are TERRIBLE. HTC's widgets make you want even more than 7 screens, so therefore that "skin" gives you scenes so you can have totally separate and instantly accessible panel homescreens to fit whatever lifestyle mode you are in for that moment/day.

I can keep going on about MotoDroid deficiencies compared to Sense UI alone if you'd like and even more compared to basic functionality and even more if you want to compare to iPhone......

One major annoyance I have at the moment is the 30 days I had the Hero and long pressed the search button I never got 1 connection error 100% execution of searches. It's probably 50% of the time on the Droid even after hard reset that it immediately connection errors out. Moto's 12/11 OTA better be good because if not the Droid may be dead. I wonder why they did not push the release out by 12/6... Since they knew about glaring issues even with the hands on reviews at release.

Oh probably because they need that installed base that is stuck past the 30 day return with a device that doesn't. They depend on those folks who say yeah this device will finally work as advertised on the upcoming firmware release....
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Glad you can admit that you can be wrong. Either way, it's all speculative. Shoot, the Passion itself is vaporware until further notice. That being said, what are you saying? Take a moment and re-read my post. Until Android/Google can set up an environment like iTunes, it is unlikely that any Android phone would be as widely adopted as the iPhone. Don't get me wrong. The reason I even own an Android phone is because I believe in the potential of Google world.

Lastly, what you're really saying is that you're disappointed with the UX of the DROID. That's fine. It doesn't suit everyone. The fact that you "grew up" on the TouchPro, you're an HTC guy. Fine. Sense UI is nice, slick even. And it does fill some gaps, but it's a widget skin. No matter what you think about the infancy of the iPhone, it's basically defined the UX for the Smartphone and continues to do so even after the invent of Sense UI (TouchFlo before that!)
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Whoa there horsey! Don't get so defensive. Go buy the HTC Passion bro! I get it, you don't like the DROID. The fact that DROID employs only the native Android system was a business decision made by Motorola/Google and VZW. If and when Apple's patents get approved, they won't be liable for any IP infringement. HTC chose to go out on a limb, develop a widget skin that enhances the UX. And that's what you enjoy. So leave the DROID alone and wait for the Passion. End of story.
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Lastly, what you're really saying is that you're disappointed with the UX of the DROID. That's fine. It doesn't suit everyone. The fact that you "grew up" on the TouchPro, you're an HTC guy. Fine. Sense UI is nice, slick even. And it does fill some gaps, but it's a widget skin. No matter what you think about the infancy of the iPhone, it's basically defined the UX for the Smartphone and continues to do so even after the invent of Sense UI (TouchFlo before that!)
I wouldn't call my self an HTC fan because I hated the Touch pro and feel that HTC is complicit in unnecessary device proliferation by making so many handsets that are nice but are unneccesarily lacking in some core features. If you combined a few of their devices you'd have the perfect handset, but why would they do that... They wouldn't until the iPhone forces them to move closer to that kind of device.

TouchFlo was actually a pretty poor attempt IMO it was tryly just a skin w. Seith its large suite of modifications is light years better. So much so that out of the box Sense + A1.5 even far exceeds native A2.0. Even adding a hodgepodge of available apps to try and make android 2.0 like Sense w/ 1.5 it doesnt come close. I would imagine by extrapolation Sense + 2.0/1 would be that much better.

I would even go as far to say that google has become a lot like Microsoft in the fact that they do a few things best in class like Search & Mail specifically and a ton of things half assed, see everything almost everything else that google has eternally attached the Beta label to...
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Whoa there horsey! Don't get so defensive. Go buy the HTC Passion bro! I get it, you don't like the DROID. The fact that DROID employs only the native Android system was a business decision made by Motorola/Google and VZW. If and when Apple's patents get approved, they won't be liable for any IP infringement. HTC chose to go out on a limb, develop a widget skin that enhances the UX. And that's what you enjoy. So leave the DROID alone and wait for the Passion. End of story.

:-) Don't get me wrong I like the Droid and could be relatively satisfied with it. I just get irritated with all the cool commercials and Droid fanboys who call out iphone fanboys for being fanboys.... Even the video I just posted of the verizon CMO talking about how they hinder themselves due to the stringent reliability requirements they put the handset makers through, when they obviously dont.....
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I agree. The topic is misleading and wrong. It doesn't "officially" exist yet, but I'm convinced it is currently at Google. The only thing I'm frustrated about is not knowing if it will arrive this month, or sometime in the next three. I would hate to get the Droid, and then find out two days after my return date ends that it is being released two weeks after that.
HTC can't seem to keep their phones secret for very long. If you have not seen pictures of it yet I highly doubt that is close to release. I also doubt they would release a CDMA version first. It could be announced - but I think you are safe getting your droid.

It seems to always be the same process for each HTC device. Rumours, renders/stats, pictures, unlocked GSM rumour release date, more pictures, rumours that sprint/verizon will get it (and change everything good about it), GSM release, CDMA rumours, CDMA version announced, sprint/verizon drag feet getting it to market, released, then finally people complain A LOT that it was not the end all be all like they had hyped it up to be.

(See Vogue, Raphael/Herman, Dream, Hero, Magic etc)
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HTC can't seem to keep their phones secret for very long. If you have not seen pictures of it yet I highly doubt that is close to release. I also doubt they would release a CDMA version first. It could be announced - but I think you are safe getting your droid.

It seems to always be the same process for each HTC device. Rumours, renders/stats, pictures, unlocked GSM rumour release date, more pictures, rumours that sprint/verizon will get it (and change everything good about it), GSM release, CDMA rumours, CDMA version announced, sprint/verizon drag feet getting it to market, released, then finally people complain A LOT that it was not the end all be all like they had hyped it up to be.

(See Vogue, Raphael/Herman, Dream, Hero, Magic etc)
Exactly, which is why i am not an HTC fan, but they are getting close.
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Well, based on your page long diatribe, you'd be the pot calling the kettle black as far as fanboys are concerned. You sound like an HTC (Sense UI) fanboy calling out DROID fanboys because they call out iPhone fanboys for being fanboys. The VZW commercials said nothing false. The DROID does do a lot of things that the iPhone doesn't do. The commercials never said DROID does and Sense UI doesn't.

That being said, for the next big thing, the DROID does do a lot of things not seen on a phone before. Talk about infancy: Android OS is in its infant state, so it's obvious there will be some deficiencies as they define the "Google Experience."

Talk about doing things best in class: HTC does the widget thing best in class. But that doesn't mean that Sense UI is perfect. It's a memory hog and needs almost 100 mb of RAM just to run well. It needs to inherit the HD2 hardware with 448 mb RAM, 128 of which is used up by the GPU, so that the resulting RAM is similar to that available on the DROID for running and storing apps.

What I'm saying is it's not sufficient to say one is better or worse than another, but that each accomplishes what it set out to do. Who knows? If Passion does come out, it may not even have Sense UI if it's supposed to be the TRUE Google Experience. Google made that clear when it talked about the difference between "Google Experience," and "with Google" phones. The HTC Passion may be running a version of Android beyond 2.0 without Sense, if it indeed is the gPhone.

We just assume that because it's an HTC phone, it will have Sense UI. But as I said all along, it's all speculation. The phone is fiction at this point.
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By the way, the DROID is a "with Google" phone.
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What a terrible title/thread. OP you need to lower your anticipation anxiety and increase your reading comprehension. You already posted this reply in a different thread and people discussed it. Absolutely no reason to post this as a new thread with a deceiving title. As if anything in a reply about a rumor from a level 1 customer service rep constitutes news.

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p.s. the names "Passion and "Dragon" have been found in a leaked HTC ROM. If confirmed, this makes it pretty official that the device names exist at HTC.
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So are the Hero and Eris
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Well, based on your page long diatribe, you'd be the pot calling the kettle black as far as fanboys are concerned. You sound like an HTC (Sense UI) fanboy calling out DROID fanboys because they call out iPhone fanboys for being fanboys. The VZW commercials said nothing false. The DROID does do a lot of things that the iPhone doesn't do. The commercials never said DROID does and Sense UI doesn't.

That being said, for the next big thing, the DROID does do a lot of things not seen on a phone before. Talk about infancy: Android OS is in its infant state, so it's obvious there will be some deficiencies as they define the "Google Experience."

Talk about doing things best in class: HTC does the widget thing best in class. But that doesn't mean that Sense UI is perfect. It's a memory hog and needs almost 100 mb of RAM just to run well. It needs to inherit the HD2 hardware with 448 mb RAM, 128 of which is used up by the GPU, so that the resulting RAM is similar to that available on the DROID for running and storing apps.

What I'm saying is it's not sufficient to say one is better or worse than another, but that each accomplishes what it set out to do. Who knows? If Passion does come out, it may not even have Sense UI if it's supposed to be the TRUE Google Experience. Google made that clear when it talked about the difference between "Google Experience," and "with Google" phones. The HTC Passion may be running a version of Android beyond 2.0 without Sense, if it indeed is the gPhone.

We just assume that because it's an HTC phone, it will have Sense UI. But as I said all along, it's all speculation. The phone is fiction at this point.
Android is not an infant mobile OS it was actually created 2 years before the IphoneOS. Android is Linux based and Iphone is a variant of MacOS. Google started pressing the Mobile OS space a few months after the iPhone was released. Google had/has as many or more resources as Apple does/did to gather engineers and such to create a competing OS So it's actually less infant than the iphone just more malformed and neglected than the iphone. Hopefully until now.

Google's supposed "Google experience" marketing ploy IMO just shows incompetency, basically it seems to mean " a incomplete/buggier experience than "with Google" phones.

I would say Sense runs pretty darn well on the ancient processors that HTC has stuck in their current devices. Its the app load times that suck.
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What a terrible title/thread. OP you need to lower your anticipation anxiety and increase your reading comprehension. You already posted this reply in a different thread and people discussed it. Absolutely no reason to post this as a new thread with a deceiving title. As if anything in a reply about a rumor from a level 1 customer service rep constitutes news.

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p.s. the names "Passion and "Dragon" have been found in a leaked HTC ROM. If confirmed, this makes it pretty official that the device names exist at HTC.
If it's so terrible, then don't read it. My other thread (which ended in a question mark) was a theory of mine, relating to the posibility of the leaked photo being a fake. The posters here decided I was wrong. this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that thread. This thread is my email which I received and my giving it to you. Just because they relate to the same subject, doesnt make it the same thing. If that were the case, then we should only have one thread in this section with everyone posting there specifically.

Just because you don't like what I've said, doesn't give you the right to request my posting privileges be revoked. Furthermore, I never claimed it as being "news" simply made the email in a quote, and said "here you go".

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Of course if the phone is not being called the Passion or Dragon the email means nothing. Also tech support wouldnt be the first to know.
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Untrue. Two weeks before the release of the DROID, DROID advert was in full effect with a full website, no pricing. Verizon held off announcing prices for that two weeks prior and held onto it until the final 5 days before release. Even before then, the DROID had been seen and spied with Verizon logos well before release. Maybe Motorola didn't keep tabs on it as tightly as HTC.

Nobody knew about the Droid Eris at all. The Droid advertising mentioned NOTHING about the Droid Eris. Droid Eris came to existence 3 or 4 days before the launch.....
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And not be a downer, but the Droid Eris is a Verizon model of an already released phone. I can't recall ever seeing HTC release a phone on a US carrier without such little proof as an unlocked phone and especially not as a carrier phone. I just think Q1 2010.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Eris was a compromise for holding off on the HTC handset that will surpass the Droid. I can't imagine HTC allowing their device to be unmentioned and weaker in features at launch unless they had a powerhouse right behind it.....
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Nobody knew about the Droid Eris at all. The Droid advertising mentioned NOTHING about the Droid Eris. Droid Eris came to existence 3 or 4 days before the launch.....
This isn't really true. They knew about the phone after the press conference Verizon and Google had as one of the CEO's was holding the Eris. I think people also knew of the existence of the HTC Desire (which became the Eris).
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This isn't really true. They knew about the phone after the press conference Verizon and Google had as one of the CEO's was holding the Eris. I think people also knew of the existence of the HTC Desire (which became the Eris).
Quite simply, the only way we knew of the Desire/Eris was an inventory screen shot in early September and a picture from the press conference in early October, and even the latter was pure speculation about what Google's CEO was actually holding. That is pretty scant compared to what gets leaked sometimes. There was no close-up shot of this phone confirming it's existence on Verizon until about 2 weeks prior to release.
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Nobody knew about the Droid Eris at all. The Droid advertising mentioned NOTHING about the Droid Eris. Droid Eris came to existence 3 or 4 days before the launch.....
We're talking about a $99 phone that was sold for even less for a time. Hmm, wonder why VZW didn't throw any advert behind that phone. Hmmm. Really? If I'm Verizon, I'm not throwing a big party for the Eris. I'm not occupying two Time Square screens to promote the Eris. No return buddy. No return on that investment.
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Well, they may not admit or acknowledge the existence of the phone, but they sure like embedding the code name into their roms.

New HTC Android codenames discovered in leaked 2.1 ROM Boy Genius Report

I find it odd that the Passion and Dragon are listed separately, since they are supposedly one in the same. Also looks as thought there are quite a few new names to wonder about in that list.
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Old news bro... we all know about the code names.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Eris was a compromise for holding off on the HTC handset that will surpass the Droid. I can't imagine HTC allowing their device to be unmentioned and weaker in features at launch unless they had a powerhouse right behind it.....
Seems you really dislike the droid, not really sure why. I've asked before, but why do you think if you hate android on the Droid that you'd love it with a better facebook/photo app and no keyboard (that can possibly break)?

Everything else I've seen has said the performance difference is questionable, and the screen is likely the same size but worse resolution. Sense UI is great, but I'm just wondering why it makes the difference between love and hate for you?

I want a passion btw, because I like sense UI and the lack of moving parts to break, but I would also really like a droid, so unless Passion comes out in this next month, I will probably get the droid on a 1 year (10 months till upgrade). I'm just not sure if sense UI makes it 'surpass' the droid enough to be worth keeping an iphone for another half year, for me.
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Seems you really dislike the droid, not really sure why. I've asked before, but why do you think if you hate android on the Droid that you'd love it with a better facebook/photo app and no keyboard (that can possibly break)?

Everything else I've seen has said the performance difference is questionable, and the screen is likely the same size but worse resolution. Sense UI is great, but I'm just wondering why it makes the difference between love and hate for you?

I want a passion btw, because I like sense UI and the lack of moving parts to break, but I would also really like a droid, so unless Passion comes out in this next month, I will probably get the droid on a 1 year (10 months till upgrade). I'm just not sure if sense UI makes it 'surpass' the droid enough to be worth keeping an iphone for another half year, for me.

I dont dislike the Droid but there are a lot of things that fall short of expectations. I have made many lengthy posts on why, so just look up my posts for my take on it....
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