Ok, some light to shed on why there were two phones mentioned in the test report:
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Pocket PC Phone 1 EUT with LCD Panel 1 + Camera 1
Pocket PC Phone 2 EUT with LCD Panel 2 + Camera 2
It seems as though they are making the phone with two different LCD panels. The first thing that came to mind is that they will have an option for OLED vs. lower priced LCD but I don't think that is the intention. I believe there will be only one phone with one price but that they are using two different OLED suppliers due to shortages. They have to test the phone with both panels to measure the emissions. Strange that they list two cameras as well though. Who knows.
p.s. If T-mobile is getting this phone, which the frequencies support, it will be pretty crazy. They will have the two 4.3" smartphones on the market, the HD2 running WinMo and Supersonic running Android
Looks like HTC is pop'n them out this quarter. My question though, how is this information located manually? When I go to the FCC website and do a search for the model numbers (N1, new N1 and whatever else just came up, I get nothing)
Last edited by Three; February 4th, 2010 at 04:57 PM.
enter NM8 under Grantee code (thats HTC's code) and "show 500 searches" and "start search". It will list all HTC devices in the USA. Then click "grant date" to sort by date. At the top will be the lastest device
Ok, some light to shed on why there were two phones mentioned in the test report:
It seems as though they are making the phone with two different LCD panels. The first thing that came to mind is that they will have an option for OLED vs. lower priced LCD but I don't think that is the intention. I believe there will be only one phone with one price but that they are using two different OLED suppliers due to shortages. They have to test the phone with both panels to measure the emissions. Strange that they list two cameras as well though. Who knows.
p.s. If T-mobile is getting this phone, which the frequencies support, it will be pretty crazy. They will have the two 4.3" smartphones on the market, the HD2 running WinMo and Supersonic running Android
Isnt the Supersonic a Wimax device which would mean Sprint? The HD2 is great, if you dont have to use any of the unmodded Winmo parts of it.
enter NM8 under Grantee code (thats HTC's code) and "show 500 searches" and "start search". It will list all HTC devices in the USA. Then click "grant date" to sort by date. At the top will be the lastest device
Read post 47 through 50. We knew that yesterday am. The phone arena news was posted today. The phone could be a hd2 with windows or maybe the bravo with android
1300 battery = Eris sized...probably not Incredible/Bravo/N1. Legend?
Yeah, actually reports are pegging the Legend battery at 1300mAh, so this could be the Legend. On the other hand, N1 battery is only 1400mAh so 1300 doesn't necessarily rule out a beefier phone like the Incredible.
Yeah, actually reports are pegging the Legend battery at 1300mAh, so this could be the Legend. On the other hand, N1 battery is only 1400mAh so 1300 doesn't necessarily rule out a beefier phone like the Incredible.
As I was just reminded in another forum, the specs for Legend that we've seen so far aren't for VZW...so....what the heck is this thing then? Maybe a CDMA Legend-like phone we haven't seen?
Anyone have a link to the Sprint Hero FCC filing? I am wondering if Sprint uses CDMA and EV-DO. If so, it would make sense that Sprint gets the new Hero since they were among the first to get the original Hero.
Evidence to the contrary of that theory is that Sprint ONLY uses the 1900 band where as VZW uses 1900 AND 800-900. PB31200 supports 1900 and 850 so I'd say this is evidence for it being a VZW phone.
Edit: Sprint hero FCC filing tests the 850 band also so they can't be distinguished by which one tests that band.
Last edited by wonderbread; February 10th, 2010 at 12:23 PM.
Anyone have a link to the Sprint Hero FCC filing? I am wondering if Sprint uses CDMA and EV-DO. If so, it would make sense that Sprint gets the new Hero since they were among the first to get the original Hero.
Evidence to the contrary of that theory is that Sprint ONLY uses the 1900 band where as VZW uses 1900 AND 800-900. PB31200 supports 1900 and 850 so I'd say this is evidence for it being a VZW phone.
look how big the label is Nexus one at 54.35 length and this new one at 64.8
look how big the label is Nexus one at 54.35 length and this new one at 64.8
It's longer but not wider. The N1 is 47 across while the new on is 39 which actually amounts to about the same surface area for each.
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Originally Posted by tdub88
I don't think FCC label size really means very much.
But I guess it's fun to speculate the angle from the grassy knoll.
Well, maybe not the actual size but these labels almost always go under the battery so if you can match the shape of the label to the back of a new phone you might be able to deduce which phone the filing is for. The Incredible certainly has a unique back to it. Also worthy to note, that if the pictures we see of the final product do NOT have the FCC label on them, then it is under the battery which means the battery is removable.
Mentions CDMA2000 and EVDO only. don't see 850 and 1900 bands.
Confirmation of verizon?
Good find. The "Report DTS" (page 6) does test the 850 and 1900 bands so we can't confirm VZW. Also, if you look at the operating frequency listed in that Sprint Hero filing and the operating frequency listed in the PB31200 filing, they are the same: 842.7MHz - 848.3MHz. The Eris on the other hand had multiple operating frequencies. Not sure if that is enough to confirm Sprint. I'm sure there's something conclusive in that test report that reveals the carrier but it might take a carrier tech to recognize it.
Last edited by wonderbread; February 10th, 2010 at 01:56 PM.
It's longer but not wider. The N1 is 47 across while the new on is 39 which actually amounts to about the same surface area for each.
Well, maybe not the actual size but these labels almost always go under the battery so if you can match the shape of the label to the back of a new phone you might be able to deduce which phone the filing is for. The Incredible certainly has a unique back to it. Also worthy to note, that if the pictures we see of the final product do NOT have the FCC label on them, then it is under the battery which means the battery is removable.
Good find. The "Report DTS" (page 6) does test the 850 and 1900 bands so we can't confirm VZW. Also, if you look at the operating frequency listed in that Sprint Hero filing and the operating frequency listed in the PB31200 filing, they are the same: 842.7MHz - 848.3MHz. The Eris on the other hand had multiple operating frequencies. Not sure if that is enough to confirm Sprint. I'm sure there's something conclusive in that test report that reveals the carrier but it might take a carrier tech to recognize it.
The Eris tests were done with CDMA2000. I am leaning towards it going to Sprint. I looked closer and 2 different labs did the testing. Maybe this is the difference. Hopefully going to Verizon
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Reason: Looked at the testing groups.
The Eris tests were done with CDMA2000. I am leaning towards it going to Sprint.
So far the only phone rumored for Sprint is the Supersonic right? I hope there's still a chance that this could be for Verizon, but knowing my luck and the luck of everyone on this forum who has been waiting, don't want to get my hopes up just to be crushed again.
Does anyone think that it is possible that this new FCC filing (PB31200) could be a Verizon version of the Bravo......I know it's crazy....but just a weird notion I got today.
So, the FCC has been pretty quiet lately. No new filings today, Monday, because it's a U.S. holiday. The Mobile World Congress started on Sunday and runs through this week so expect a flood of filings tomorrow due to that and due to Monday's filings being held back due to holiday.
Certainly if someone could find an image or video of the FCC labels for the new devices (Legend, Desire, Touch HD Mini) we might be able to narrow down the possibilities but the back plate would have to be detached AND battery removed in order to see it. I have yet to see a reviewer removed the battery.
I don't know if the red is significant otherwise.
Last edited by wonderbread; February 22nd, 2010 at 01:50 PM.
I think this phone (PB76100) is the Legend running 2.0 ECLAIR. At the bottom of page 8 of the test report, item no. 4 under section "3.2 EUT Exercise Software" reads:
"EUT Run Test Program "HTC SSD Test-Ver.4.4.13.1.plat_2.0ECLAIR-legend"
Wonderbread, thanks for finding the filing in the first place.
For some reason, my IE keeps crashing now when I try to open these downloads. I think my link is from the WLAN test report. It's a slightly different format than I've seen- I don't recall seeing the software version running on the EUT before.
Anyone want to try and look? I'll grab the MacBook from the wife and try to open the reports on the other phones as soon as she's done with her work...
The PB99100 is the Nexus One. I thought that one had been established a long time ago. I am anxious to find out what the PB31200 CDMA device is though.
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Okay, computer problem solved, and I was able to review the reports of the other devices.
None of the other devices list the software detail that is listed for the PB76100. Most don't list the software version at all, and the ones that do list a generic baseband and s/w version number that is nothing more than numbers and decimals.
I wonder if the info on the Legend was published by mistake?
Edit: droidholic, you're right. I made a typo. I meant to be referring to PB99110 not PB99100 which HAS been confirmed as N1.
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Originally Posted by droidoholic
The PB99100 is the Nexus One. I thought that one had been established a long time ago. I am anxious to find out what the PB31200 CDMA device is though.
Well, we established that the PB number is very close to the N1 and that the bands for the new one look like they would support AT&T but as of yet there is no rumored N1 device for AT&T so I don't know that we can call it yet. There is this interesting bit: New HTC FCC filing but probably not the Bravo the logic being that since the N1 and Desire are so similar already the AT&T Desire could be the filing in question? Seems the Desire was introduced too recently for that to be the case maybe it's still possible. Any other evidence that PB99110 is N1?
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Originally Posted by DroidAV8R
Okay, computer problem solved, and I was able to review the reports of the other devices.
None of the other devices list the software detail that is listed for the PB76100. Most don't list the software version at all, and the ones that do list a generic baseband and s/w version number that is nothing more than numbers and decimals.
I wonder if the info on the Legend was published by mistake?
I also looked through all of the paper work of one of the filings and couldn't find that program name string. It may have indeed been a mistake including that or at least not truncating it.
PB76100 is the Legend, the BGR article says Sprint is getting the Hero2 but is PB76100 the thing that Sprint is getting? Sprint is CDMA2000 also right? But PB76100 doesn't support CDMA2000. Maybe someone can find the original hero filing and see if the bands line up at all.
Last edited by wonderbread; February 23rd, 2010 at 03:17 PM.
PB76100 is the Legend, the BGR article says Sprint is getting the Hero2 but is PB76100 the thing that Sprint is getting? Sprint is CDMA2000 also right? But PB76100 doesn't support CDMA2000. Maybe someone can find the original hero filing and see if the bands line up at all.
What about the possibility that the Sprint/HTC Hero2 is the PB31200?
Well, we established that the PB number is very close to the N1 and that the bands for the new one look like they would support AT&T but as of yet there is no rumored N1 device for AT&T so I don't know that we can call it yet. There is this interesting bit: New HTC FCC filing but probably not the Bravo the logic being that since the N1 and Desire are so similar already the AT&T Desire could be the filing in question? Seems the Desire was introduced too recently for that to be the case maybe it's still possible. Any other evidence that PB99110 is N1?
Sorry wonderbread, I guess I need to read more carefully- As stated in my post above, I agree that the PB99110 very well may be the Desire for AT&T.
UPDATED the original thread post with a summary of the filings we have been discussing.
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Originally Posted by DroidAV8R
What about the possibility that the Sprint/HTC Hero2 is the PB31200?
Maybe, but now that I think of it, Sprint's bands have been discussed and it's pretty much a dead end trying to figure out if it's Sprint or VZW based on supported bands.
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Originally Posted by DroidAV8R
Sorry wonderbread, I guess I need to read more carefully- As stated in my post above, I agree that the PB99110 very well may be the Desire for AT&T.
No problem. I think we make the same points about it. My take is that the model numbers are too close to be anything other than an N1 with different band support. I think HTC will differentiate the Desire by more than one digit. That said, I have no clue what else 99110 would be other than an unannounced AT&T N1 which now makes a lot less sense given the BGR rumor that AT&T is bringing home the Desire >_<
Last edited by wonderbread; February 23rd, 2010 at 04:40 PM.
Check this out peeps, here's something I just realized while looking through PB31200 documents again. Basically I think I can identify this phone now.
This is a screenshot I took from the PB31200 filing (unknown CDMA2000 phone). Specifically it's from the "RF Exposure Info - PCE Part 1" document but I believe it shows up in other test reports for PB31200. Those of us who have been snooping around have seen this before but now that this story has come out about the Incredible being spotted in Verizon's inventory with model name ADR6300 I think it may be safe to declare that PB31200 is in fact the Incredible for Verizon Wireless.
Can anyone come up with a theory for why PB31200 isn't the Incredible?
Last edited by wonderbread; February 25th, 2010 at 08:10 PM.
Check this out peeps, here's something I just realized while looking through PB31200 documents again. Basically I think I can identify this phone now.
This is a screenshot I took from the PB31200 filing (unknown CDMA2000 phone). Specifically it's from the "RF Exposure Info - PCE Part 1" document but I believe it shows up in other test reports for PB31200. Those of us who have been snooping around have seen this before but now that this story has come out about the Incredible being spotted in Verizon's inventory with model name ADR6300 I think it may be safe to declare that PB31200 is in fact the Incredible for Verizon Wireless.
Can anyone come up with a theory for why PB31200 isn't the Incredible?
Wonder, that's a good theory- the battery voltage is even 3.7, just like the N1 (although 1300 v. 1400 mAh).
The only problem I see is that the ADR6300 went through bluetooth cert with v. 2.1+EDR on 1/15/10, and the same docs you have on the PB31200 show that phone as v. 2.0+EDR. Would it make sense to downgrade to 2.0 after 1/15 for purposes of FCC? FWIW, nothing on bluetooth.org about PB31200.
Last edited by DroidAV8R; February 25th, 2010 at 02:37 PM.
I don't know how to explain that discrepancy but I think the existence of the 6300 model number in PB31200 has not been explained either if it's not the ADR6300
The only problem I see is that the ADR6300 went through bluetooth cert with v. 2.1+EDR on 1/15/10, and the same docs you have on the PB31200 show that phone as v. 2.0+EDR. Would it make sense to downgrade to 2.0 after 1/15 for purposes of FCC? FWIW, nothing on bluetooth.org about PB31200.
Alrighty, here we go:
Android&Dom over on the Incredible thread made a good comment that HTC Eris is ADR6200VW and that if the corresponding battery model could be found it may lend credence to PB31200 being the Incredible. Well, sure enough BTR6200 is the OEM battery model for the Eris (link).
So, what's left is explaining the 2.1+EDR and I think I have an explanation: The bluetooth cert got a newer version of the Incredible software.
The bluetooth page (here) lists core version 2.1+EDR as has been stated but it also lists software version 0.68.0.1. The PB31200 filing lists core version 2.0+EDR but in the T-Coil test report it lists a software version of 0.62.0.0. Why give bluetooth a newer version, who knows? Maybe they wanted the 2.1 cert and knew the SAR Testing people don't need the latest SW to do their tests.
PB31200 = Incredible \o/
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Alrighty, here we go:
Android&Dom over on the Incredible thread made a good comment that HTC Eris is ADR6200VW and that if the corresponding battery model could be found it may lend credence to PB31200 being the Incredible. Well, sure enough BTR6200 is the OEM battery model for the Eris (link).
So, what's left is explaining the 2.1+EDR and I think I have an explanation: The bluetooth cert got a newer version of the Incredible software.
The bluetooth page (here) lists core version 2.1+EDR as has been stated but it also lists software version 0.68.0.1. The PB31200 filing lists core version 2.0+EDR but in the T-Coil test report it lists a software version of 0.62.0.0. Why give bluetooth a newer version, who knows? Maybe they wanted the 2.1 cert and knew the SAR Testing people don't need the latest SW to do their tests.
PB31200 = Incredible \o/
Well sir, it seems the riddle is solved. Great post. Not thrilled with a 1300mAh battery, but yours and Android&Dom's logic make perfect sense.
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