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Old January 29th, 2010, 06:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default New HTC FCC filing but probably not the Bravo

Here is a summary of all the recent HTC fcc filings and what we think we know about them based on the discussion in this thread:

PB76100: Model: Legend Carrier: Unknown GSM+SIM carrier
PB31200: Model: Incredible Carrier: Verizon Wireless
PB99300: Model: Nexus One Carrier: Verizon Wireless
PB99200: Model: ? (probably N1) Carrier: European GSM (likely Vodafone WCDMA VIII)
PB81120: Model: ? (Windows Mobile so who cares) Carrier: ?
PB99110: Model: ? (N1 is PB99100) Carrier: GSM+SIM carrier (likely AT&T based on supported WCDMA bands)

Motorola filling mentioned in this thread
IHDT56LB1: Mode: ? (has 1500mAh battery so maybe Shadow) Carrier: CDMA2000 (likely Verizon)

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NM8PB99110
Saw it pop up this morning. Already a blog story about it:
http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2010/01/29/htcs-pb99110-leaves-us-guessing/

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Saw it pop up this morning. Already a blog story about it:
http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2010/01/29/htcs-pb99110-leaves-us-guessing/

The nexus one is model PB99100. I would guess the above model is based off of this. The numbers are close together. The model going to Verizon.
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The nexus one is model PB99100. I would guess the above model is based off of this. The numbers are close together. The model going to Verizon.
Good catch, but I believe this one is for AT&T!

PB99100 (T-mob N1)
supports: GSM850/1900 & WCDMA IV
T-mob is the only U.S. carrier that uses WCDMA IV for 3G

PB99110 (the new filling)
supports: GSM850/1900 & WCDMA II & V
AT&T is the only U.S. carrier that uses WCDMA II & V

As was reported when the N1 came out, AT&T users could use the N1 by using their sim cards but would not be able to access AT&T 3G. This phone seems to address AT&T users specifically.
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Good catch, but I believe this one is for AT&T!

PB99100 (T-mob N1)
supports: GSM850/1900 & WCDMA IV
T-mob is the only U.S. carrier that uses WCDMA IV for 3G

PB99110 (the new filling)
supports: GSM850/1900 & WCDMA II & V
AT&T is the only U.S. carrier that uses WCDMA II & V

As was reported when the N1 came out, AT&T users could use the N1 by using their sim cards but would not be able to access AT&T 3G. This phone seems to address AT&T users specifically.

I have to agree with you. Just wishful thinking for Verizon. Hopefully Bravo will coming soon now. Also, do you know what bands the worldphones run on through Verizon?
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This cant be the nexus one for att/verizon? Do you only need to file with FCC once?
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DOH!!! I was so excited for this to be coming to VZW. I'm growing tired of waiting.
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DOH!!! I was so excited for this to be coming to VZW. I'm growing tired of waiting.
As am I... Anticipation can only be built before so long before customers start wondering off to the companies who are supplying the demand.
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http://certifications.wi-fi.org/pdf_certificate.php?cid=WFA8473

It says Cellular and Wi-Fi - I am wondering if it's the Supersonic which is due on Sprint in March? Or isn't Wi-Fi equal to Wi-Max?

I found this: Google Phone Nexus One?Wi-Fi????!!?Blog of Mobile!!?????????? I can't seem to translate it, but it looks like maybe this is the CDMA version of the Nexus One?

I sure hope I hear something soon. I hate not having a proper phone.
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I found this: Google Phone Nexus One?Wi-Fi????!!?Blog of Mobile!!?????????? I can't seem to translate it, but it looks like maybe this is the CDMA version of the Nexus One?
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Whatever phone this is, it's likely for AT&T. It clearly states the tested bands are GSM/GPRS and WCDMA (UMTS/HSPA). Won't work on Verizon or Sprint.
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No new HTC Android phone, No CDMA Iphone! Come on Verizon! You mean all we get is a pair of PALM phones until the Nexus comes out???? There's got to be something in the works. Why is it that the #1 carrier in the country get phones that are #2.
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No new HTC Android phone, No CDMA Iphone! Come on Verizon! You mean all we get is a pair of PALM phones until the Nexus comes out???? There's got to be something in the works. Why is it that the #1 carrier in the country get phones that are #2.
Don't forget about the Droid and the Eris, a lot of other people on other Carriers probably would love those phones.
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yeah, i dont see why people on verizon always complain that they arent getting good phones while att still dosent have any android phones. quit your bitchin' and go buy a droid
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Don't forget about the Droid and the Eris, a lot of other people on other Carriers probably would love those phones.

I beginning to think that the Eris is the way to go. Next week I can use my new every 2. I wanted to wait for something new from HTC, but without a nibble and a half dead phone, I'm not sure I can wait too much longer. I never used an HTC phone and I wanted to give the company a try. I definitely don't want to use Windows Mobile or Blackberry.
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Hmmm...VZW keeps letting AT&T bash them (through nothing but false advertising) and is letting all carriers catch up to them in the "superphone" race. I keep visualizing The Tortoise and the Hare. Could Big Red be biding their time knowing they have something huge in the making, or are they just satisfied w/ the Droid?
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Hmmm...VZW keeps letting AT&T bash them (through nothing but false advertising) and is letting all carriers catch up to them in the "superphone" race. I keep visualizing The Tortoise and the Hare. Could Big Red be biding their time knowing they have something huge in the making, or are they just satisfied w/ the Droid?
sadly, i think they have a little hard on for the droid. i'm no longer optimistic that they are quiet cause of something huge in the making. next big thing will be the nexus.
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yeah, i dont see why people on verizon always complain that they arent getting good phones while att still dosent have any android phones. quit your bitchin' and go buy a droid
Who needs android when you have the iPhone 3GS?!?!

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But I think the reason Verizon people are upset is because all the other carriers have (or are getting) these amazing new phones. And the Droid really doesn't compare to those. AT&T has been above the competition for years with the iPhone. T-Mobile has had the majority of the Android phones so far (and T-Mobile UK is getting the Bravo). Sprint has the Hero and Moment and is getting the Supersonic. And Verizon has...... the Droid? Eris? That is why we complain.
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Guess it will be the Verizon N1 for me in the Spring. Sure wish we got a Bravo like HTC phone.
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Guess it will be the Verizon N1 for me in the Spring. Sure wish we got a Bravo like HTC phone.
I really just want the following things in a phone:

1) It needs to be very capable as a phone (ie great coverage and doesn't drop calls)..for me, that means Verizon--I get coverage in surprisingly remote places.

2) A camera that doesn't have any silly limitations like no flash.

3) It needs to be durable. I am outdoors a LOT and I take my phone. My phone needs to be tough and preferably I can put it in a great case (slide out keyboards aren't great if you can't use them ensconced in a case).

4) It needs to make my life easier. I do a LOT of outside activities and most days I have with me my GPS, my phone (LG Juke--don't laugh, it's small and works well), a camera, and an ipod. I want a device to combine all of those with as few compromises as possible.

5) I want to support Android.

If it wasn't for step 5, I could already have a phone to suit my needs I'd just be using WinMo (shudder). I'd prefer HTC and Sense UI but at this point I'm getting pretty tired of waiting.
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Sasquatch - you hit my top 4 reasons on the head. Outdoors, good coverage, nice pics and music. Want to wait for the next "superphone" Bravo, Supersonic, N1 - don't really care which one.

I've thought of WinMo as well, OmniaII (your thoughts?) or the Eris. Figure I could use either for 12mos while the rest of the phones come out and folks get some experience with them.
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I really just want the following things in a phone:

1) It needs to be very capable as a phone (ie great coverage and doesn't drop calls)..for me, that means Verizon--I get coverage in surprisingly remote places.

2) A camera that doesn't have any silly limitations like no flash.

3) It needs to be durable. I am outdoors a LOT and I take my phone. My phone needs to be tough and preferably I can put it in a great case (slide out keyboards aren't great if you can't use them ensconced in a case).

4) It needs to make my life easier. I do a LOT of outside activities and most days I have with me my GPS, my phone (LG Juke--don't laugh, it's small and works well), a camera, and an ipod. I want a device to combine all of those with as few compromises as possible.

5) I want to support Android.

If it wasn't for step 5, I could already have a phone to suit my needs I'd just be using WinMo (shudder). I'd prefer HTC and Sense UI but at this point I'm getting pretty tired of waiting.

That pretty much sums up my criteria list too. It is starting to make the Motoroi look pretty attractive. And although we don't know if the 'roi is comng to VZW, at least we know it exists. Albeit w/out sense.
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This cant be the nexus one for att/verizon? Do you only need to file with FCC once?
I dont know for sure. But I am guessing any time you change the frequencies on which the phone operates you have to refile with the FCC even if all the other hardware remains the same. Being that this new phone will now work with AT&T 3G they had to refile.
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Sasquatch - you hit my top 4 reasons on the head. Outdoors, good coverage, nice pics and music. Want to wait for the next "superphone" Bravo, Supersonic, N1 - don't really care which one.

I've thought of WinMo as well, OmniaII (your thoughts?) or the Eris. Figure I could use either for 12mos while the rest of the phones come out and folks get some experience with them.
Eris is a nice phone but it is limited and will feel even more limited in a couple months. Even though I want Sense, I may end up going MotoDroid in the next week or so. They are starting to make some really tough cases for it and on the forums they have it reliably running at 1ghz and with the improvements of 2.0 and 2.1 coming down the pike, it's making Sense UI less of a must have.
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Eris is a nice phone but it is limited and will feel even more limited in a couple months. Even though I want Sense, I may end up going MotoDroid in the next week or so. They are starting to make some really tough cases for it and on the forums they have it reliably running at 1ghz and with the improvements of 2.0 and 2.1 coming down the pike, it's making Sense UI less of a must have.
I agree with the last part. Improvements to the stock UI are closing the gap with Sense. While I'm not interested in the Droid, it does give me the option of going the "known specs" route of picking up the Nexus One if the Incredible, or whatever it will be called, falls short in some way, shape, or form. It's nice to have options, particularly on Verizon when normally you're limited to a single device and don't know what you're getting until release is imminent.
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AT&T Version Of The Nexus One Visits The FCC

Looks like it is the nexus one for ATT, what's going on with verizon??
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Looks like it is the nexus one for ATT, what's going on with verizon??
Verizon is getting the Nexus one in the Spring, what do you mean?
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It is interesting that this device passed before verizon's, which IS listed on the google phone page. AT&T is not listed there.
I think that's what jrennel means.
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It is interesting that this device passed before verizon's, which IS listed on the google phone page. AT&T is not listed there.
I think that's what jrennel means.
Oh ok, I see. I guess I was just focusing on what Verizon said, I think they said Spring which isn't technically until 3/21, so I am not too worried about what other Carriers are doing.

Now if it gets closer to March and I don't hear anything, then I would be worried.
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It is interesting that this device passed before verizon's, which IS listed on the google phone page. AT&T is not listed there.
I think that's what jrennel means.
Some phones get FCC approved and released right away. Some get approved long before release. Some even get approved and never are released. I take solice in the fact that the Nexus One has been announced for Verizon with a launch timeframe despite the lack of FCC approval (still plenty of time for this). I'd much rather that than have the phone mysteriously approved with coincident frequency support despite absolutely no word from a carrier that's not quite as secretive as Verizon.
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It is interesting that this device passed before verizon's, which IS listed on the google phone page. AT&T is not listed there.
I think that's what jrennel means.

Exactly what I meant, Thanks.
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So i'm a total newbie here (to posting) but for some reason my "gut" (read: not worth the few bits this text takes up) tells me that for some reason the "Bravo" just doesn't sound like a code name for Verizon. Passion, Eris, Desire (I understand those are apples and oranges) all seem like they kinda fit together and Bravo just doesn't fit for me. I think it's likely we'll see the Bravo on some other network, but on Verizon as the Incredible.

As stated above, none of this has any basis in fact or reality...just a gut instinct...
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So i'm a total newbie here (to posting) but for some reason my "gut" (read: not worth the few bits this text takes up) tells me that for some reason the "Bravo" just doesn't sound like a code name for Verizon. Passion, Eris, Desire (I understand those are apples and oranges) all seem like they kinda fit together and Bravo just doesn't fit for me. I think it's likely we'll see the Bravo on some other network, but on Verizon as the Incredible.

As stated above, none of this has any basis in fact or reality...just a gut instinct...
I think your gut is spot on. The hope is that with the Bravo or Incredible, it's the same basic hardware in different packaging (and a different radio). I'm sure the Bravo will remain the GSM version and as with all things CDMA these days, it'll be a tinkered-with version from Verizon. I just hope they keep the tinkering to cosmetic changes, unless of course they're requesting beefier specs from HTC. Plus features aren't unwelcome, crippling is.
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I think your gut is spot on. The hope is that with the Bravo or Incredible, it's the same basic hardware in different packaging (and a different radio). I'm sure the Bravo will remain the GSM version and as with all things CDMA these days, it'll be a tinkered-with version from Verizon. I just hope they keep the tinkering to cosmetic changes, unless of course they're requesting beefier specs from HTC. Plus features aren't unwelcome, crippling is.
Beefier specs like 4.3 in 1ghz hopefully that's all I want. From having this Droid now I definitely want the supersonic if I'm going without a keyboard. 3.7 is nice but I'm a 6ft 2in MAN with big hands....I don't have the Burger King hands...LMAO. I want a size screen I can easily type in portrait....and it ain't 3.7. But I'll probably end up getting the first 1ghz beast they get 3.7 or 4.3.
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It is interesting that this device passed before verizon's, which IS listed on the google phone page. AT&T is not listed there.
I think that's what jrennel means.
Not really. You can use the Nexus One on AT&T right now. You cannot though use the Nexus One on Verizon right now. The only limit using the N1 on AT&T is that you wont be able to get 3G speeds and have to settle for EDGE. So why wouldn't a N1 that can be used on a carrier the N1 is already been used on clear the FCC before a N1 that can be used on a carrier is cannot currently be used on?
In the end what happens in some AT&T users who already bought the N1 will get dicked by a hassling return/refund policy at the very least.
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Beefier specs like 4.3 in 1ghz hopefully that's all I want. From having this Droid now I definitely want the supersonic if I'm going without a keyboard. 3.7 is nice but I'm a 6ft 2in MAN with big hands....I don't have the Burger King hands...LMAO. I want a size screen I can easily type in portrait....and it ain't 3.7. But I'll probably end up getting the first 1ghz beast they get 3.7 or 4.3.
So the last thing i'm being at this point is picky, meaning i'll take whatever code name they want to call it as long as it has an AMOLED screen, 3.7+ inch screen, some type of advanced processor (Snapdragon, Tegra/Tegra 2 (!!), OMAP 36xx), 512MB -1 GB RAM, and no physical keyboard (have Droid now, don't need physical keyboard*). I do have to admit, not having held a 4.3 inch phone, i'm not sure if I really want/need THAT BIG of a screen...i think a 4 inch is my sweet spot for plenty of real estate but still pocketable (is that a word??).

* Droid physical keyboard is not good in my opinion but if i had an advanced onscreen keyboard like HTC Sense type i wouldn't mind, but lack of multitouch on the keyboard is a REAL deal breaker for me.

So here's a left field thought/question...
Any chance that the Incredible COULD have a Tegra/Tegra 2 processor? There's all that talk about Divx (or was it Xvid?), Dolby, etc... so i wonder if this could be the way HTC gets into the nVidia/Tegra game...thoughts?
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Not really. You can use the Nexus One on AT&T right now. You cannot though use the Nexus One on Verizon right now. The only limit using the N1 on AT&T is that you wont be able to get 3G speeds and have to settle for EDGE. So why wouldn't a N1 that can be used on a carrier the N1 is already been used on clear the FCC before a N1 that can be used on a carrier is cannot currently be used on?
In the end what happens in some AT&T users who already bought the N1 will get dicked by a hassling return/refund policy at the very least.
I think what makes it interesting is the lack of listing on the Google phone website. Having that listing, to me, means that some cooperative agreement was reached between Google and a carrier to provide subsidized service with a contract, perhaps in addition to an unlocked model. Why build and approve an AT&T 3G capable phone just to sell it unlocked only? In the US, I'd bet you get far more subsidized purchases so without the agreement, it doesn't make business sense to crank out a carrier specific model unlocked only. Therefore, this FCC approval is a little bit of a chicken before the egg situation. Then again, we've all assumed to this point that it's actually the Nexus One. It could, for all practical purposes, be the US derivative Bravo or some HTC Android offering specifically for AT&T. The Nexus One models could go 99100 (T-Mobile Nexus One), 99101, 99102, etc. This is the 99110.
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^yes kyler, thanks for getting my back. that is what i meant. guess it's because at&t hasn't announced their own nexus. i'm sure it's an interesting situation they have with apple looking over their shoulders.
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My problem with it being sold for AT&T officially so fast is the lack of AT&T on the order page. Isn't the N1 from a hardware perspective ready to be used on Vodafone right now? I'm thinking its really just going to be an additional step after choosing unlocked on the order page. The N1 right now unlocked really only works on 1 carrier. So making another model isn't so far out of whack (this model will be the reverse of the current N1. 3G on AT&T and Edge on Tmobile).
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i am making my bets now. i am saying it will be the bravo. it makes no sense for google to make a whole new model just to sell unlocked. also the model numbers skipping 100 is kindof odd for the same hardware with different radio in it
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Interesting to note. I cannot pull up the files anymore. I can search for NM8PB99110 and get an exhibits list. But I can pull any of them up. All I get is "0 Matches found for FCC ID 'NM8PB99110'
There are no attachments for public review associated with this application."
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Interesting to note. I cannot pull up the files anymore. I can search for NM8PB99110 and get an exhibits list. But I can pull any of them up. All I get is "0 Matches found for FCC ID 'NM8PB99110'
There are no attachments for public review associated with this application."

Still there on the site. Just tried at 7:41pm Central time
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Still there on the site. Just tried at 7:41pm Central time
Ok lets try this again. Yes that image is of the exhibit list (which I said I could pull up). But when I click on "detail" on any of them I get the error message that I previously said. Summary works (and shows alot of the documents were submitted on 1-6). But detail does not pull up the paperwork (9:58pm EST).
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Ok lets try this again. Yes that image is of the exhibit list (which I said I could pull up). But when I click on "detail" on any of them I get the error message that I previously said. Summary works (and shows alot of the documents were submitted on 1-6). But detail does not pull up the paperwork (9:58pm EST).

Detail is pulling up for me.
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In the same tone, you should probably quit your bitching and go buy and iPhone. I don't want a keyboard personally, so no Droid for me and I am sure others feel the same,and as far as the Eris, c'mon, really 3.2 screen, old processor please.
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In the same tone, you should probably quit your bitching and go buy and iPhone. I don't want a keyboard personally, so no Droid for me and I am sure others feel the same,and as far as the Eris, c'mon, really 3.2 screen, old processor please.
Nobody here wants an iPhone. That's why we're on ANDROID Forums. Goodbye.
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Guess it will be the Verizon N1 for me in the Spring. Sure wish we got a Bravo like HTC phone.
I want the Nexus 1 to, but then I thought about it, first the phone is not offered by Verizon so we wont get the 30 return, if we don't like it so if two weeks latter they come out with the Bravo, well, were f'cked and also if something go wrong with the phone software/hardware who the hell fixes it. I guarantee the reps aren't going to give two sh!Tz about this phone cause they aren't getting paid for it. I just don't understand why Verizon wouldn't put out another phone with Sense UI running on Snapdragon, let they people decide.
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Here's another HTC filling (today): NM8PB81120
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout =500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=752888&fcc_i d='NM8PB81120'

Any guesses on what PB81120 is?
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My guess is a device like the HD2 with android for Tmobile. The device is picking up WCDMA IV band.

PB1100 is the HD2 with windows
PB1120 is in that model frame. This is only a guess.
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Did you notice that on the test report page number 6 it is talking about 2 different phones. I do not know how verizon shows up on the cdma there. But looks like it is for 2 different carriers. Maybe UK and America. This could be the phone newsradio has been talking about.
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My guess is a device like the HD2 with android for Tmobile. The device is picking up WCDMA IV band.

PB1100 is the HD2 with windows
PB1120 is in that model frame. This is only a guess.
Good catch again. This might be the HTC Supersonic
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Did you notice that on the test report page number 6 it is talking about 2 different phones. I do not know how verizon shows up on the cdma there. But looks like it is for 2 different carriers. Maybe UK and America. This could be the phone newsradio has been talking about.
Well we can again rule out the hope for Verizon with this particular one. Verizon FCC filings refer to the bands as CDMA2000 and EVDO not GSM and WCDMA. I didn't notice the two phone reference before but the two phones mention cover the exact same spectrum, the only difference is the measured wattage. I think a phone for two different countries would have different frequencies not just different wattage so the test report might be talking about the measurements for two test units (same exact model).
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