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Old April 12th, 2011, 12:24 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Guys can we please stop the back and forth? Sean76 has every right to his opinion, just like you do. I personally see both sides of this, I am content to use a phone that isn't the latest and gratest as long as it does what I need and does it well. The TB is that phone for ME, however others feel differently and that is their right.

This forum is for debate and discussion, you are not going to always agree with what people post here. However there is a way to disagree and be civil, and a way to disagree and be a douche. Please just be civil. Disagree with someone all you want, however don't attack the poster, attack the issue.

If you don't agree that the OPs opinion is correct, say so, however saying that the person "know's nothing about tech" is not proving any point at all and just leads to fighting and bad blood. We are all here because we want to discuss the phone.

Sean and I have had our disagreements, however we have always been civil about it with each other. We might not agree on everything, but at the end of the day we could go out buy each other a beer and probably have a good old time.

Again have your opinions, disagree all you want, but be civil about it.


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What I'm saying is this, and hopefully it puts some stuff to rest... Yes a lot of us chase technology, why not, its fun.

However, could HTC have givin us more 2011 type specs, yes they could have IMO. Could they have givin us some specs to make this VZW's flagship for about a year, Yes IMO they could have.....JUST LIKE SPRINT DID WITH THE EVO....I like what Sprint did, they waited a whole year to bring another flagship phone to the table....they really spun the mobile world upside down last year with the EVO, it was a game changer. And now a year later they're doing it with the EVO 3D. IMO that's the way to do it! That's all I'm saying. So yes we have the TB here, and while it is a great phone, I do think they could have pushed the envelope on the specs a little further. Like a better screen with better resolution, a better battery, a thiner device just like the one announced today, and yes a dual core so that it can last a whole year running with all these other dual core devices. So if some of you don't see my point, that fine. However, I applaud what Sprint did, they waited a whole year to really bring a better HTC device to the table. Good business IMO. Not even a whole month after the TB came to market, HTC goes out and announces what I consider to be real 2011 type phone specs, all in a beautiful package. Yes I think they could have gave us more...just my opinion.
Bro, the Sensation isn't coming to VZW, though. So technically VZW is doing exactly what Sprint did with the EVO until they release a new HTC device that's better than the TB.
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I think people have a misunderstanding here. Thunderbolt has been the first LTE phone I think the testers had the phones over 6 months before it was actually launched, so the phone was suppose to highend if it would have been launched 2 months after being in testers hands. I think the phone is still plenty fast and has the fastest single core processor in it. The delays made it seem like the phone was outdated which sort of is the truth. Not only specs the evo 3d and Sensation 4g even has 10 times better desgin, they both look a lot cleaner and have newer body shell around it.

If thunderbolt was released on its original release date without hitting multiple delays it would have been a great phone at that time, I think you can blame verizon for making thunderbolt look like an outdated phone. They were busy inviting steve jobs to the iphone party for a few months and forgot about their LTE network and started improving their 3g network, lol.
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If thunderbolt was released on its original release date without hitting multiple delays it would have been a great phone at that time.
It is still a great phone and I'd rather have it than the 3D and/or sensation on a crappy network.
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Bro, the Sensation isn't coming to VZW, though. So technically VZW is doing exactly what Sprint did with the EVO until they release a new HTC device that's better than the TB.

Which will be by summer...I bet we see leaked pics of something by July. Rocking all the specs we just went over. Hey If the consumer buys it, these companies win essentially. Like I said I'm good with the TB for now! But when a new super phone comes to VZW by HTC soon, a lot if belly aching will start...and a lot of people are going to say...this is what the TB should have been to begin with...

A good example....RIM is getting set to bring a new BB Torch to market. It's the same exact device on the outside, for the exception of a new battery door, and I believe a bigger battery. However its rocking a sweet 1.2Ghz processor, a new screen with better resolution, and is said to have better build quality. Now in my eyes, that's what the Torch should have been in the first place. It only came out like what, 6 months ago? That's the road HTC is going down...releasing to many phones in a short period of time. We'll have a TB successor real soon, you'll see.
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It is still a great phone and I'd rather have it than the 3D and/or sensation on a crappy network.

Again ... ^ this. I'm starting to think Worm know what he's talking about ! LOL
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It is still a great phone and I'd rather have it than the 3D and/or sensation on a crappy network.
True, but I dont let a network forget the fails that were there when the thunderbolt was launched. Yes it is a great phone and yes I have it. Just because I have it and its on verizon doesn't make me forget the mess verizon made out of this phone.

In my honest opinion it depends on where you live. I live in california and sprint, t-mobile, att, verizon all have great service in almost all populated areas. Is LTE faster? Yes and hell yes, but it gets to a point where you can stream stuff at 3mb or 5mb vs. 25mb. Plus verizon already stated that LTE speeds will be 5-10mb download and 2-5 upload. It is only a matter of time where they start throttling speeds to those stated above when millions of LTE phones are sold.

We all have the right to our opinion and we all have the right to pick whatever service we wand and depending on the area we are in. Speeds are pretty fair on sprint as well as t-mobile, I am like the only guy among my co-workers who has verizon. Almost all my friends have att/sprint/t-mobile. Most of them have sprint though.
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My biggest "damnit" moment with the Sensation announcement is the fact that it has Sense 3.0... Wasn't Sense 2.0 on the TB supposed to be the latest and greatest rendition of SenseUI? That was short lived! It's software... not hardware... but the TB probably won't see Sense 3.0. HTC has never upgraded a device to the latest SenseUI. I hope they change there ways!

Not too worried about the dual core, but I agree 100% with sean76... it is ridiculous how quickly these companies are pumping out new devices. But it will catch up with them when the market is completely saturated and their devices are End-Of-Life within a month or 2. Inventory will crush them, unless they only plan on selling a handful of each device
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My biggest "damnit" moment with the Sensation announcement is the fact that it has Sense 3.0... Wasn't Sense 2.0 on the TB supposed to be the latest and greatest rendition of SenseUI? That was short lived! It's software... not hardware... but the TB probably won't see Sense 3.0. HTC has never upgraded a device to the latest SenseUI. I hope they change there ways!

Not too worried about the dual core, but I agree 100% with sean76... it is ridiculous how quickly these companies are pumping out new devices. But it will catch up with them when the market is completely saturated and their devices are End-Of-Life within a month or 2. Inventory will crush them, unless they only plan on selling a handful of each device
From my understanding the TB will be getting Sense 3.0 when it gets Gingerbread.
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eh...I don't buy into the whole dual core hype. Other than games (which I don't play much of), there aren't many apps out there (I can't even think of one) that would require multithread processing power. I suppose if video/music editing ever get popular on phones then maybe, but right now I don't see the benefits.

I could use more ram though.

As long as the internet is fast, and I could multitask effieciently without the phone lagging, then it's all good. So far the TB does that quite well. And I don't see it having trouble doing that for at least the next year.
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From my understanding the TB will be getting Sense 3.0 when it gets Gingerbread.
I think so too. I think it is more of a part of gingerbread then anything. I believe if HTC decides to update their devices to gingerbread and those they decide to upgrade will probably get sense 3.0. I think since thunderbolt will be the only flagship phone on verizon they might be forced to do so by verizon. Unless they have a dual core htc phone coming out in a few months from now, which I highly doubt.
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From my understanding the TB will be getting Sense 3.0 when it gets Gingerbread.
Hell before that. If the official gb update is coming in June, I bet we see leaks and ports before then.
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Which will be by summer...I bet we see leaked pics of something by July. Rocking all the specs we just went over. Hey If the consumer buys it, these companies win essentially. Like I said I'm good with the TB for now! But when a new super phone comes to VZW by HTC soon, a lot if belly aching will start...and a lot of people are going to say...this is what the TB should have been to begin with...

A good example....RIM is getting set to bring a new BB Torch to market. It's the same exact device on the outside, for the exception of a new battery door, and I believe a bigger battery. However its rocking a sweet 1.2Ghz processor, a new screen with better resolution, and is said to have better build quality. Now in my eyes, that's what the Torch should have been in the first place. It only came out like what, 6 months ago? That's the road HTC is going down...releasing to many phones in a short period of time. We'll have a TB successor real soon, you'll see.
the torch was release on August 12th. exactly 8 months to the day. the new torch wont be here til about 1 year after.

VZW did the same with the Incredible. it was HTC flagship for about 1 year and now a new one, same as evo too on sprint. until there is a new HTC device on VZW the TB is still the flagship for VZW and it doesnt matter if HTC released a new phone on every other company until then
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From my understanding the TB will be getting Sense 3.0 when it gets Gingerbread.

Yup..I've heard the same thing a few times...if that happens, I'll be pretty happy.
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Because the TB was supposed to come out months ago thats why. You do realize that they didnt just all of the sudden make the tb and release it phones takes months to design and what not.
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From my understanding the TB will be getting Sense 3.0 when it gets Gingerbread.
I could be completely wrong, but if history repeats itself, the TB will not be getting 3.0 officially. HTC has never updated a version of sense after the phone was already released. That doesn't mean it won't be ported by one of the awesome developers, though

The only thing I really want out of it is that new video gallery
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Because the TB was supposed to come out months ago thats why. You do realize that they didnt just all of the sudden make the tb and release it phones takes months to design and what not.
Right, but the average consumer doesn't know the TB was supposed to be released in November and probably doesn't care. By the time the Sensation hits stores a new device will be getting ready to take it's throne. It is what it is.
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who cares. If you buy a laptop your lucky if you go 3 months without a faster processer. Like pc's its time to start buying whats good enough to suite your needs rather then having the latest greatest unless you dont mind buying a new phone every 6 months. I'm 100% certain I would be perfectly happy with an incredible, gen one nexus, facinate or droid X in regards to speed/processor performance. the ONLY reason I paid the extra $$ for the bolt was the 4G radio (which I dont even have 4G coverage here but I get around enough to care). It sure wasn't the next generation 1ghz snap dragon, that was just a bonus. I mean what exactly can I do with dual core 1.2ghz processor that I cant do now, some guys act like they are video editing for MGM with the phone. I dont care about the millisecond app opening differences and thats before rooting. when they add something I can actually use rather than just brag about higher quadrant scores I'll pay attention. so far the ONLY thing they've added significant since the droid X and Evo is a phone on a real 4G network. make a phone that performs like the original snapdragon 1ghz and last 3 days, that will would be real impressive to me.
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its time to start buying whats good enough to suite your needs rather then having the latest greatest unless you dont mind buying a new phone every 6 months.
Absolutely...positively...100% correct!

Look at the tablet lineup. The Galaxy S tablet is now $429.99 in retail stores, $349.99 online. The original 16GB iPad now costs $399.99 in retail stores, $349.99 online at several places.

Now, if you are in the market for a good tablet and don't want to penny pinch by going with a more "generic" brand tablet (where you have to add the Android market yourself for example) these are both excellent choices (keep the iHate to yourself please ).

Why are these devices priced so low? Cause there are bigger, badder, and more feature packed devices available. So are these tablets crap? Will they serve your needs? For most of us...yes!

Cell phones are the same way as of the Nexus one and Incredible launching last year. Both devices still can hold their own against the newer, bigger, badder devices coming out a year later.

4G...that's the big improvement Thunderbolt owners can hang their hat on. That functionality can't be added later via the Dev community. You can't add a 4G radio on a 3G device (excluding the Xoom LOL). Are we going to have the fastest device in a month? Probably not. Are YOU okay with that? That's the question everyone needs to ask themselves.

Some of you people (okay...me too ) are psycho tech-whores and will want the latest and greatest the minute it is available. Some of you people (okay...again...me too ) are pissed that Verizon is going to stop with the 1 year contract option because you want a new phone every 10 months...and we hate to have to wait that long! But we are not doing this out of necessity...we are doing this because we are F'ing nutz!

Having said that...I'm not ready to upgrade just yet
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You really need to go my man. How long have you been here? Whats the point of your post, that I don't get it. Ok seriously, I get it wise guy. You sound like a poster boy fan boy! You just got here and your already in danger of being viewed as a venom enriched trouble maker. It's not cool to down play your fellow members on these Forums. As for the phone, if your ok with rocking the TB for the next 2 years with a single core, that's absolutely fine with me, enjoy yourself. I have the funds to buy a new phone every week...lol. That is not the point, bragging rights is not the point. Cannibalism is the point. Releasing a new phone every 2/3 months is insane. Especially when the next one has all the things a 2011 type should! That's my point. Your post was uncool, it was directed hard at me...do I take offense? No I don't, I'll be here long after you leave my man. Either way, enjoy your day!
I'm sorry that you're thin skinned, but his post was nothing but truthful. The Bionic was dropping (supposedly) not more than a few months after the TB and you knew it was sporting a dual core. If dual core was that important to you, you should have held out. You didn't and now you're unhappy because a phone that was in development (due to LTE) longer than most other Android phones yet, didn't come with a cutting edge technology that was introduced well after the Tbolt's design had surpassed the point of no return. Why is releasing a phone every 2 to 3 months bad? I don't know about you, but if I was turning the profits HTC was, I wouldn't change a thing about the way I was innovating or my business model.
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i agree wit u 100 percent sean76 as bad as i wanted the Tb i didnt want to be jealous of a phone far superior. i wanted to b completely satisfied with the one i had..so i held out on the Tb. i kinda blame verizon more then htc though..i said this b4 verizon seems more interested in motorola phones then htc...like when i bought the incredible...sprint came out with the evo right after..thunderbolt JUST came out now the evo 3d and sensation are coming on other carriers...verizon is going to hype the MOTOROLA bionic as their flagship phone and we prolly wont c a htc dual core till q3..but by then other carriers will have superiors one...VERIZON WILL NEVER OWN THE BEST HTC PHONE!! and i hate that..and now we got the iphone which is going to put htc even further down their list!!! if it wasnt for their service and the new lte i woulda been gone!!! because we certainly dont have the best phones in my opinion..
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i agree wit u 100 percent sean76 as bad as i wanted the Tb i didnt want to be jealous of a phone far superior. i wanted to b completely satisfied with the one i had..so i held out on the Tb. i kinda blame verizon more then htc though..i said this b4 verizon seems more interested in motorola phones then htc...like when i bought the incredible...sprint came out with the evo right after..thunderbolt JUST came out now the evo 3d and sensation are coming on other carriers...verizon is going to hype the MOTOROLA bionic as their flagship phone and we prolly wont c a htc dual core till q3..but by then other carriers will have superiors one...VERIZON WILL NEVER OWN THE BEST HTC PHONE!! and i hate that..and now we got the iphone which is going to put htc even further down their list!!! if it wasnt for their service and the new lte i woulda been gone!!! because we certainly dont have the best phones in my opinion..
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Lol this^

TB does not have 8+32. It has 4+32, since HTC disabled 4gb. Call and speak to a level 2 tech and they will confirm this. I am still surprised folks do not make this an issue, since the 8gb was marketed, but not available to the consumer.
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I could be completely wrong, but if history repeats itself, the TB will not be getting 3.0 officially. HTC has never updated a version of sense after the phone was already released. That doesn't mean it won't be ported by one of the awesome developers, though

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Didn't the Eris get a new version of Sense after it was released?
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the torch was release on August 12th. exactly 8 months to the day. the new torch wont be here til about 1 year after.

VZW did the same with the Incredible. it was HTC flagship for about 1 year and now a new one, same as evo too on sprint. until there is a new HTC device on VZW the TB is still the flagship for VZW and it doesnt matter if HTC released a new phone on every other company until then

The new Torch will be announced at Blackberry world the First week of May. Could start seeing it on at&t's shelves very soon after that. The current Torch is being sold for $50 for a reason, to bleed the inventory dry and make room for the new model. Honestly that's an ok time frame. However RIM is also announcing the Bold Touch, Curve Touch, and the BB Touch...bout time RIM.
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i agree wit u 100 percent sean76 as bad as i wanted the Tb i didnt want to be jealous of a phone far superior. i wanted to b completely satisfied with the one i had..so i held out on the Tb. i kinda blame verizon more then htc though..i said this b4 verizon seems more interested in motorola phones then htc...like when i bought the incredible...sprint came out with the evo right after..thunderbolt JUST came out now the evo 3d and sensation are coming on other carriers...verizon is going to hype the MOTOROLA bionic as their flagship phone and we prolly wont c a htc dual core till q3..but by then other carriers will have superiors one...VERIZON WILL NEVER OWN THE BEST HTC PHONE!! and i hate that..and now we got the iphone which is going to put htc even further down their list!!! if it wasnt for their service and the new lte i woulda been gone!!! because we certainly dont have the best phones in my opinion..

Yes the Bionic commercials will be insane...However, I have been seeing a lot of TB commercials lately.
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I would rather have LTE than dual core but that's just me
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At the end of the day your right...However, I'd rather have both : )
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As far as Sprint & T-mobile getting an HTC dual core first, they have (along with AT&T) always gotten newer tech before Verizon. T-mobile getting it makes sense since gsm carriers usually get new tech first. But the Sensation is their first 4.3" Android phone (by any manufacturer), so they are behind in other arenas.

With Sprint I wondered when the Evo came out if they had a deal with HTC that gives them exclusivity on newer tech (large screen, dual core, etc.). When I heard about the Evo 3D, that made it seem more credible. I imagine Sprint is shelling out a bit of money to have that exclusivity. They need it because they are currently the third largest carrier (and may be stuck there if the ATT/T-mobile merger goes through).

I guess the point is Verizon is usually behind on the tech curve. Now they are the first to get LTE, but their devices are still about 3-6 months behind the other carriers. But, given the choice I'd rather have older tech that works 98% of the time rather than newer tech that works 85% of the time.

P.S. I like the Sensation, but I'm not loving the Evo 3D. Feature wise it's great, but in the looks department, I'd say butt ugly. The back reminds me of the old ViewMaster I had as a kid. That's just my opinion, a personal preference I guess.
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As far as Sprint & T-mobile getting an HTC dual core first, they have (along with AT&T) always gotten newer tech before Verizon. T-mobile getting it makes sense since gsm carriers usually get new tech first. But the Sensation is their first 4.3" Android phone (by any manufacturer), so they are behind in other arenas.

With Sprint I wondered when the Evo came out if they had a deal with HTC that gives them exclusivity on newer tech (large screen, dual core, etc.). When I heard about the Evo 3D, that made it seem more credible. I imagine Sprint is shelling out a bit of money to have that exclusivity. They need it because they are currently the third largest carrier (and may be stuck there if the ATT/T-mobile merger goes through).

I guess the point is Verizon is usually behind on the tech curve. Now they are the first to get LTE, but their devices are still about 3-6 months behind the other carriers. But, given the choice I'd rather have older tech that works 98% of the time rather than newer tech that works 85% of the time.

P.S. I like the Sensation, but I'm not loving the Evo 3D. Feature wise it's great, but in the looks department, I'd say butt ugly. The back reminds me of the old ViewMaster I had as a kid. That's just my opinion, a personal preference I guess.
I 100% agree on the whole not liking the EVO 3D look...lmaooooo the back really does look like an old View Master. As for the sensation, wow...I'm really liking it! It looks like the original Nexus One, just more modern. Ohh well, like u said, here at VZW were still I lil bit behind in the hardware dept...but we are rocking the most powerful LTE 4G available at the moment...guess that comes with a price..
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THAT seems to be a key point for perspective on the TB. If you have 4G in your area- the TB would rock- even if a dual looms on the horizon. If you do not have 4G, nor any chance of having it for at least a year (probably longer), the 4G is not a factor and the TB comes across for some as an "old tech" device as a result (my perspective too).

I hope to see a refresh of the TB that has:

1. Snap dual core (better battery life than TB's 8655 and even faster than the Tegra 2)
2. 16gb internal (or at least the full 8gb that actually works, rather than half on the current TB)
3. Same sweet display

Ironic though that Tmo used to be the weakest device lin-up and now VZW seems to have taken that position. As long as folks are willing to pay premium prices for older tech chipsets, VZW will happily sell them and make little effort of higher end devices (why would they)?

To some folks without 4G in their area, the TB is older tech.
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hahahaha... Android right for me? The TB just came out 3 weeks ago...does Apple announce a newer better device every few weeks...NO they don't! Does Motorola even do it with Android, no they really don't. What I'm saying is if they had the know how, they could have added in more advanced 2011ish type specs in order to really play hard ball with the rest of the bunch.
If HTC had the know how?!?! I'm willing to bet HTC stockholders are quite happy with the way HTC is releasing phones. Infact, if HTC listened to you, then they might not exist in the fashion they do today. It's all about business. Now you have people only getting 1 year contracts and guess what? They're going to get the newest phone after 10 months. Some may buy HTC and some will not. Whether you like it or not, not having the dual-core in the Thunderbolt actually made HTC more money in the long run. You're not getting the big picture.
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Not sure Apple is a good comparison, since the A4 is a better and faster chipset than the 8655 and the dual core A5 will almost certainly release before VZW has a Snap dual device.

iPhone will probably be the most powerful device, due to VZW dragging their feet with Android devices.

Almost like VZW are doing this on purpose and favoring Apple.
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My wife's T-Mobile contract expires in June and she wants to come with me to Verizon so what I'm going to do is have her wait until the Iphone 5 comes out so that I can get the iphone and she can get my TB. She loves it.
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Oh they have been talking dual core processors for smart phones for a year already its nothing new really. This is why I went with a one year contract. Next year the Bolt goes straight to the dumpster for the next newest thing!
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The development time to get the phone to work without serious issue on the current processor was in full swing by the time another processor (like the one in the 3D and the new 1.2 GHZ) was available to them. Instead of scrapping what they've done already, they just pushed forward. There are going to be newer and greater phones every 1-3 months...sometimes you just gotta grin and bear it.

Plus, how much of a difference would that processor do for you? Would it really be so much better that HTC should have stopped production on the TB until these new processors were in their hands to play with?
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Oh they have been talking dual core processors for smart phones for a year already its nothing new really. This is why I went with a one year contract. Next year the Bolt goes straight to the dumpster for the next newest thing!
I got a one year contract too. But the sad part is that this is the last time we are going to be able to do a one year on Verizon. The next phone we pick will have to last us for two years.
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I don't really think he does. His complaint is based on a silly sense of entitlement: he feels that he is owed some arbitrary period of exclusivity on owning the best/fastest/biggest/whatever android phone.

Why should HTC hold off on supplying dual core phones? Because the OP wants bragging rights for longer?

The Thunderbolt isn't an obsolete device by any means. His assertion that it's now a cabbage patch doll is absolutely ridiculous. It's not like the Sensation will magically make the Thunderbolt stop working. We'll get Sense 3.0 too, and the video store, and whatever else.

If we don't get those features even though our TBs are more than capable of running them, *then* OP can complain about planned obsolescence. Until then, though, it just smacks of silly entitled whining from a dude who either doesn't understand technology or doesn't understand the market forces that drive its development.
+1. i completely agree with this.

it's like going to the store and buying a loaf of bread, only to return a few days later and see there's a new loaf of bread with a later expiration date than the one you purchased. well, what did you expect? they were going to stop making bread until yours expired?

...and then the op goes on to brag about how he can afford a new phone every week anyway. if money isn't an object then why get riled up when you can buy the next hot new thing anyway?

the op asked the question why did htc skimp on the TB? it was answered very succinctly throughout this thread. they didn't skimp on the TB, vzw skimped on having their network ready to deploy the TB. all the while, HTC kept their wheels turning on their internal roadmap and pushing out new phones.

i'm not convinced the op really 'gets it' or understands how new technology is developed and released. maybe now they do...
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+1. i completely agree with this.

it's like going to the store and buying a loaf of bread, only to return a few days later and see there's a new loaf of bread with a later expiration date than the one you purchased. well, what did you expect? they were going to stop making bread until yours expired?

...and then the op goes on to brag about how he can afford a new phone every week anyway. if money isn't an object then why get riled up when you can buy the next hot new thing anyway?

the op asked the question why did htc skimp on the TB? it was answered very succinctly throughout this thread. they didn't skimp on the TB, vzw skimped on having their network ready to deploy the TB. all the while, HTC kept their wheels turning on their internal roadmap and pushing out new phones.

i'm not convinced the op really 'gets it' or understands how new technology is developed and released. maybe now they do...
Not seeing this at all from the OP. Seems the summary of points is VZW are lagging with phone options compared to most of the competition. If you do not have 4G, the TB is an average device with no real improvement over products a cycle ago and even less space than the Incredible. Well, there IS data/voice at same time, but folks should feel this is an honor to have?

Seems VZW is taking advantage of consumers by pumping out mid-line products at premium prices and using 4G and their far better data coverage as leverage..... I would be doing the same thing if I were them, so I can not be two-faced about it.

Why push the premium stuff for less margin, when they can ship a 4G radio with a cheaper chipset and crippled 8gb internal?
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Not seeing this at all from the OP. Seems the summary of points is VZW are lagging with phone options compared to most of the competition. If you do not have 4G, the TB is an average device with no real improvement over products a cycle ago and even less space than the Incredible. Well, there IS data/voice at same time, but folks should feel this is an honor to have?

Seems VZW is taking advantage of consumers by pumping out mid-line products at premium prices and using 4G and their far better data coverage as leverage..... I would be doing the same thing if I were them, so I can not be two-faced about it.

Why push the premium stuff for less margin, when they can ship a 4G radio with a cheaper chipset and crippled 8gb internal?
Not the summary of points I got from the op. Are we reading the same posts? Lol.

Explain to me how VZW is taking advantage of the consumer? Are they hypnotizing us and removing our free will? People didn't have to buy the TB. And if people are making a big deal about dual core it's also very well known before the TB went on sale that the dual core bionic was also on the way. They could have chosen to wait for that right?
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I said how VZW is leveraging their data coverage. People will be more apt to stick with the mid range offerings at premium prices, rather than change carriers and get weaker coverage. Brilliant strategy, but essentially taking advantage of their customers- using their great coverage as leverage.

Considering all the great devices little Tmo has coming or already out, do you not think VZW would have them if they want? Point is, VZW does not need them, so they are mainly sticking with mid range devices, but at premium prices.

Still, no way VZW does not feel compelled to compete at some point, but I think VZW is becoming too Apple focused. Maybe that is the main problem.....
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If HTC had the know how?!?! I'm willing to bet HTC stockholders are quite happy with the way HTC is releasing phones. Infact, if HTC listened to you, then they might not exist in the fashion they do today. It's all about business. Now you have people only getting 1 year contracts and guess what? They're going to get the newest phone after 10 months. Some may buy HTC and some will not. Whether you like it or not, not having the dual-core in the Thunderbolt actually made HTC more money in the long run. You're not getting the big picture.

I get the BIG picture buddy...And 1 year agreements are OVER IN VZW Land! Maybe you missed the memo.
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