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Old July 25th, 2010, 09:53 PM   #51 (permalink)
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It makes me sad that this will inevitably fall to the bottom of the AF ocean and Seidio will just keep conning American consumers.

Quite a shame.

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Old July 25th, 2010, 09:59 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Really? What posts are you missing?

Someone posted something and then someone else posted back - it was a bit ill mannered and hot tempered - I think with the new rules of the "zero tolerance" had the posts removed.

Either way its not that big a deal...
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Someone posted something and then someone else posted back - it was a bit ill mannered and hot tempered - I think with the new rules of the "zero tolerance" had the posts removed.

Either way its not that big a deal...

Yea, they have been deleting A LOT of posts lately. Even posts that aren't doing anything wrong.

They've become very conservative. I feel like I'm in an elementary school playground.

It's become extremely politically correct. Can't express your opinion without being 'offensive.'

This will probably be deleted.
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dustin thanks for all your efforts. i followed your original thread a while ago, but just happened to stumble upon this. great work!
i was lucky to purchase the HTC 1500 only because of the cost, but i was seriously thinking of the seido 1750 at the time.

this will definitely influence my decision on the next battery HTC 2150 vs Seido 3500
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Wish I would have read this before I wasted $40 on a battery when I could have got the same thing for $15... thanks for the false advertising Seidio! I could been a good customer (already bought a case and battery) but because of this I likely will never be purchasing any other Seidio products.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #57 (permalink)
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dustin thanks for all your efforts. i followed your original thread a while ago, but just happened to stumble upon this. great work!
i was lucky to purchase the HTC 1500 only because of the cost, but i was seriously thinking of the seido 1750 at the time.

this will definitely influence my decision on the next battery HTC 2150 vs Seido 3500

Just to be clear, I've said this before too, the SEDIO 3500mAh battery is most likely, very close to if not equal to their rated value - I say this - because its obviously a much much larger form factor.

I have said also that I wondered if the 3500 was 2 1750 in parallel but I really dont think thats the scenario here.

As always, if anyone wants to buy it and ship it I will test it, return it at my cost and reimburse shipment to me if a valid receipt is in the box.
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And in the end seidio has never responded after the facts.

I personally have moved to an X, and I will not purchase any products from them, and I will cite the testing here and recommend to my friends to be wary.

Again, thanks Dustin!!!
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And in the end seidio has never responded after the facts.

I personally have moved to an X, and I will not purchase any products from them, and I will cite the testing here and recommend to my friends to be wary.

Again, thanks Dustin!!!
I don't think SEIDIO, in any shape or form can respond to these testing scenarios - I am fairly confident the folks in Texas are far removed from whats happening in their Asia suppliers.

I know, its easy to say, I hope people beleive me when I say it - I've been through oddities like this before. Its amazing what happens.
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I don't think SEIDIO, in any shape or form can respond to these testing scenarios - I am fairly confident the folks in Texas are far removed from whats happening in their Asia suppliers.

I know, its easy to say, I hope people beleive me when I say it - I've been through oddities like this before. Its amazing what happens.
Dustin, thanks for your meticulous work on this. Did I read your recent post correctly that you believe their 3500 is closer to that actual value? I'm wondering about getting it from Amazon for $57 because once Froyo 2.2 comes out soon, I want to have more juice.

It is also a major PITA to keep popping off the cover to swap the two smaller 1300 & 1750 (really 1500) batteries. I know those attaching tabs are going to break before much longer, so would rather just bit the bullet and get the 3500, and cut out the back raised outline of my silicone cover I got earlier from Verizon when first got the phone in April.
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I'm late to the party, but just wanted to say thanks for all your time, work, and money put into this. I ended up jumping on a $15 OEM 1500 mAh and found a noticeable increase over the stock, which many haven't found with the Seidio battery claiming to sport another 250 mAh. My only issue is the case doesn't close 100% (there's like a hairline, but as a perfectionist, it irked me enough to go back to stock for now and use the 1500 as a back up).

In any event, I'd never give Seidio money for anything after this. Sad too. Had they merely owned up to it, apologized, and offered some form of optional recourse to those affected (I wasn't one of those people), I'd have had a ton more respect for them than I do now.
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Old July 31st, 2010, 11:31 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Dustin, thanks for your meticulous work on this. Did I read your recent post correctly that you believe their 3500 is closer to that actual value? I'm wondering about getting it from Amazon for $57 because once Froyo 2.2 comes out soon, I want to have more juice.

It is also a major PITA to keep popping off the cover to swap the two smaller 1300 & 1750 (really 1500) batteries. I know those attaching tabs are going to break before much longer, so would rather just bit the bullet and get the 3500, and cut out the back raised outline of my silicone cover I got earlier from Verizon when first got the phone in April.

For record, I have NOT tested the 3500 battery and if someone wanted to buy one and send it to me I would test it - but I have not tested it.

My feelings that the 3500mAh is probably close to its rated value because of its size, its GOT to be really close considering its so damn big.

For comparison, the 1300 stock battery is just a tiny bit smaller than the 1500 battery - but the 1750 battery could be smaller than the 1500 considering the way its packaged vs. the way the OEM batteries are packaged.

So - I never tested the 3500 battery and its purely my opinion right now that the 3500 would be close to its rated value.
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In any event, I'd never give Seidio money for anything after this. Sad too. Had they merely owned up to it, apologized, and offered some form of optional recourse to those affected (I wasn't one of those people), I'd have had a ton more respect for them than I do now.
Its tough, I think they think they obviously have a test to make that battery be a 1750 mAh - considering there is rarely a real standard to go by - they can't come here and say anything except for what they've already said.

The proof remains to be in the guts of the battery - had they manufacturered it tighter and better so that it wasn't so easily dismantled - they could have hidden behind anything they wanted. But that conincidental batteries looking like other batteries thing is to much for me..
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Its tough, I think they think they obviously have a test to make that battery be a 1750 mAh - considering there is rarely a real standard to go by - they can't come here and say anything except for what they've already said.

The proof remains to be in the guts of the battery - had they manufacturered it tighter and better so that it wasn't so easily dismantled - they could have hidden behind anything they wanted. But that conincidental batteries looking like other batteries thing is to much for me..
I hear you. And if they honestly believe their battery is 1750 mAh, I guess you can't blame them unless they're using improper testing methods. I mean, hell, Apple thinks its antenna design is fine and people just need to hold the phone differently.

It's not that I think Seidio is the only company to either be in denial or try to falsely advertise a product, I just was completely turned off by their initial response and then dropping off the face of the planet.

All they had to do was come into this thread, still stand by their assertions, but offer to those who feel they didn't get what they paid for refunds or some other nice gesture, like 25% off any order or something, and I'd have had a fair amount more respect for them. There are too many competitors out there to do business with than one with sketchy business practices.
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Dustin PM me your address , I will send you my 3000mah Hong Kong battery for testing (if you still want to do that)

I've been using it for about a month and am still getting on average 25-30hrs up and 12hrs awake with pretty normal usage (nav, lots of music, bluetooth, wifi, 3g , 100% brightness etc..) I think it would be good to get a good test on one of these batteries
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Interesting read here... I've got a Cadex battery analyzer that I use for two-way radio batteries. I've configured it to test an OEM 1300 mAh battery that came in my DINC.

I"ve also got a Sedio 1750 mAh battery that I got right after getting the phone. I'll post what I find if anything with more details once I'm done.
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Interesting read here... I've got a Cadex battery analyzer that I use for two-way radio batteries. I've configured it to test an OEM 1300 mAh battery that came in my DINC.

I"ve also got a Sedio 1750 mAh battery that I got right after getting the phone. I'll post what I find if anything with more details once I'm done.
OK... *waiting for results
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Dustin PM me your address , I will send you my 3000mah Hong Kong battery for testing (if you still want to do that)

I've been using it for about a month and am still getting on average 25-30hrs up and 12hrs awake with pretty normal usage (nav, lots of music, bluetooth, wifi, 3g , 100% brightness etc..) I think it would be good to get a good test on one of these batteries

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Interesting read here... I've got a Cadex battery analyzer that I use for two-way radio batteries. I've configured it to test an OEM 1300 mAh battery that came in my DINC.

I"ve also got a Sedio 1750 mAh battery that I got right after getting the phone. I'll post what I find if anything with more details once I'm done.

Any update on this ?
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Hey all. I've been out of town and sick so the results are on hold. But Monday I will start running the tests again. Early data looked like the 1750 battery was at about 1200 mah capacity. But don't quote that as scripture until I finish my tests.
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Ok i just read a post from another site in which they tested multiple batteries. VERY interesting results.

The extended Seidio 3500mah for the Evo 4G tested out at 2821mah (81%).

The extended Seidio 3200mah for the Nexus 1 tested out at 2691mah (84%).

The Seidio 1750mah battery for the TP2 tested out at 1383mah (79%).

Mugen and Amzer batteries were even worse than Seidio, averaging about 75% of claimed mah.

The generic Chinese batteries (both extended and standard) averaged about 55-60% of claimed mah. OUCH! ($11 ebay battery for Hero claimed 3200mah, actual 1790mah)

OEM HTC batteries are the way to go. The HTC 2150mah extended for DINC had exactly 2150mah. The TP2 OEM HTC battery rated at 1500mah had 1491mah.

If you need an extended battery, Seidio 3500mah still has the most mah with actual being about 2800mah. 2nd most is the HTC extended with 2150mah. Outside of these extended batteries, the OEM HTC 1500mah battery is the way to go.
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Wish I would have read this before I wasted $40 on a battery when I could have got the same thing for $15... thanks for the false advertising Seidio! I could been a good customer (already bought a case and battery) but because of this I likely will never be purchasing any other Seidio products.
Wish I had too. So my battery (SEIDIO 1750) is maybe as good as the HTC 1500 or perhaps worse, depending on what you read, but both translate to a rip off.
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Wish I had too. So my battery (SEIDIO 1750) is maybe as good as the HTC 1500 or perhaps worse, depending on what you read, but both translate to a rip off.
Okay I wouldn't say you got completely ripped off. I've used 2 diffrent HTC 1500 and a Seidio 1750 and let me tell you the Seidio always lasted an extra couple hours at the end of the day compared to the 1500 that only lasted an hour or so more then the stock 1300 battery. I understand all the tests and everything but i my "real world" usage it lasted longer. I traded it for a 2150 battery and I wish I hadn't . It is by far the best slim battery for the Incredible
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Dustin,

first off thanks for all your work and the excellent results that you achieved. I know I am a much more smarter consumer because of your tests.

There is one more test I would like to see. There has been lots of debate on these boards around "Bump Charging" your battery. A good portion of the debators state that by turning your phone off after it has signaled that it is fully charged and continuing to charge your battery until the green light appears again (i.e., bumping it), will give you significant more charge for your phone. Others state that this "bump charging" makes no difference.

Could you do a simple test that determines if a battery lasts longer being charged in a phone that is on while charging or a phone that is "bumped charged"? This would conclusively answer that question and should only require a single battery and two tests with it.

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thanks for your hard work. I am trying to decide on the 3500 mah or 2150 mah myself. it's tough because even if the 3500 is not at 3500, but like, 3000, that's still a lot of mah. is there a way to test whether or not the battery holds its charge over an extended period?
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thanks for your hard work. I am trying to decide on the 3500 mah or 2150 mah myself. it's tough because even if the 3500 is not at 3500, but like, 3000, that's still a lot of mah. is there a way to test whether or not the battery holds its charge over an extended period?
I've owned both and honestly the 2150 is a waste for a little more you can get the 3500 and it blows the 2150 out of the water and is about the same size with a much nicer back cover. Do yourself a favor and order the 3500seidio .
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thanks for your hard work. I am trying to decide on the 3500 mah or 2150 mah myself. it's tough because even if the 3500 is not at 3500, but like, 3000, that's still a lot of mah. is there a way to test whether or not the battery holds its charge over an extended period?
Do you really use your phone so much in a day that the 1500 OEM battery wouldn't last through the day? For $15, it's an amazing bang for the buck and doesn't cause your sexy Incredible to look like Zack Morris's cell phone in Saved By The Bell.
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Do you really use your phone so much in a day that the 1500 OEM battery wouldn't last through the day? For $15, it's an amazing bang for the buck and doesn't cause your sexy Incredible to look like Zack Morris's cell phone in Saved By The Bell.
thats easy to, i can burn thru mine in 8 hours somedays and make it last 30 others.
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thats easy to, i can burn thru mine in 8 hours somedays and make it last 30 others.
With all due respect, how do you use your phone for 8 hours in one day? The only way I see this as being possible is on a long flight, and then if you buy the 1500, the combo of the stock and 1500 easily make it through the day's travels.
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With all due respect, how do you use your phone for 8 hours in one day? The only way I see this as being possible is on a long flight, and then if you buy the 1500, the combo of the stock and 1500 easily make it through the day's travels.
I cant speak on Matt's behalf but I personally A2DP stream music for 8-10 hours a day while at work Monday-Saturday and sometimes Sunday as well. And that just music use, I do all kinds of other crazy stuff with my phone daily
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i never said i used it for 8 hours, i said the battery is dead in 8 hours. surf the net, play some angry birds for an hour or so. Listen to some music, gtalk with the gf on and off for several hours. it all eats battery especially using 3g connection and not on wifi. If i use the GPS for 45 minutes to go somewhere it will eat a big chunk also. its not hard to run the battery out if you actually use the phone and not let it sit on the desk and check email once an hour or something
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Do you really use your phone so much in a day that the 1500 OEM battery wouldn't last through the day? For $15, it's an amazing bang for the buck and doesn't cause your sexy Incredible to look like Zack Morris's cell phone in Saved By The Bell.

hey, i have a 1500 oem battery in my phone right now. it lasts me all day, and it's my everyday battery.

i want a 3500 or 2150 for when i'm doing my long distance running. I'm training for a marathon and I want to use SportyPal Pro to keep track of my laptimes and mile split times, etc. An hour and a half(about) worth of gps puts me to like, below 70%, like 60%ish, so an entire marathon would put me out of power. Plus, I would like to listen to music/podcasts, take photos, etc., during the marathon. (i plan on havin' some fun!)
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i never said i used it for 8 hours, i said the battery is dead in 8 hours. surf the net, play some angry birds for an hour or so. Listen to some music, gtalk with the gf on and off for several hours. it all eats battery especially using 3g connection and not on wifi. If i use the GPS for 45 minutes to go somewhere it will eat a big chunk also. its not hard to run the battery out if you actually use the phone and not let it sit on the desk and check email once an hour or something
We really need the full version of Angry Birds on Android. I've beaten each level we currently have way too many times.

If your battery is dead in 8 hours, there's something wrong with it or your phone. The only time mine's ever died in 8 hours has been when an app has kept the phone awake the entire time or I've literally used it for hours straight on a plane, train, or boat.

Grandmaster's streaming audio makes sense. I didn't think of that since I always streamed music at work from my web browser. I suppose a combination of streaming music for 8-10 hours and other minimal use could kill the battery in a work day. If you have the 1500, you have the stock too, though, so you can just keep it at work as a back up and your phone remains nice and thin. You also save a bunch of money on the extended.

I use my phone throughout the day for everything. Email, web surfing, phone calls, GPS, games (addicted to Homerun Battle 3D), texting, streaming sports audio, music, videos, etc. I also am currently not working while I await my new job's start date, so I have much more free time on my hands than most should. Although I guess in this economy, there may be more people at home on their Incredibles than at work. Or maybe it's because of how much people use their Incredibles they no longer have work? Who knows?

Anyway, it's been a very rare occasion that my 1500 has died before the day was over even with tons of use. It has happened, and I keep my stock around as back up. I just don't see how any person with a job or in school can need more than the 1500 or stock, except for the few mentioned exceptions. I also don't see the appeal in Jersey Shore, so maybe I'm just oblivious to the obvious.
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hey, i have a 1500 oem battery in my phone right now. it lasts me all day, and it's my everyday battery.

i want a 3500 or 2150 for when i'm doing my long distance running. I'm training for a marathon and I want to use SportyPal Pro to keep track of my laptimes and mile split times, etc. An hour and a half(about) worth of gps puts me to like, below 70%, like 60%ish, so an entire marathon would put me out of power. Plus, I would like to listen to music/podcasts, take photos, etc., during the marathon. (i plan on havin' some fun!)
This makes sense, except for the running a marathon part. Good for you!
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We really need the full version of Angry Birds on Android. I've beaten each level we currently have way too many times.

If your battery is dead in 8 hours, there's something wrong with it or your phone. The only time mine's ever died in 8 hours has been when an app has kept the phone awake the entire time or I've literally used it for hours straight on a plane, train, or boat.

Grandmaster's streaming audio makes sense. I didn't think of that since I always streamed music at work from my web browser. I suppose a combination of streaming music for 8-10 hours and other minimal use could kill the battery in a work day. If you have the 1500, you have the stock too, though, so you can just keep it at work as a back up and your phone remains nice and thin. You also save a bunch of money on the extended.

I use my phone throughout the day for everything. Email, web surfing, phone calls, GPS, games (addicted to Homerun Battle 3D), texting, streaming sports audio, music, videos, etc. I also am currently not working while I await my new job's start date, so I have much more free time on my hands than most should. Although I guess in this economy, there may be more people at home on their Incredibles than at work. Or maybe it's because of how much people use their Incredibles they no longer have work? Who knows?

Anyway, it's been a very rare occasion that my 1500 has died before the day was over even with tons of use. It has happened, and I keep my stock around as back up. I just don't see how any person with a job or in school can need more than the 1500 or stock, except for the few mentioned exceptions. I also don't see the appeal in Jersey Shore, so maybe I'm just oblivious to the obvious.
yes i have maxed out 3 stars on all levels so i do need the full version now.

trust me there is NOTHING wrong with the phone its all about how you use it and signal strength etc. i bet i got 10-15 work emails and atleast 50 personal emails in the last 8 hours so im atleast checking the phone for those if not replying to them. in the last 5 hours i have sent and received over 650 messages on gtalk so the screen and phone are on and off for all of those and again being used.

Along with that there is the weather syncing every hour, contacts and calender syncing for the 3 email accounts also and facebook every 1 hour twitter every 30 minutes, foursquare is updating every 30 minutes, i have wallpaper shuffling every 15 minutes. My data connection is not excellent at work so the phone uses more battery.

what can i say i use the phone my awake is probably around 30-50% of my uptime. I am not complain that much though because i have a charger at work and in the car if i need them.

like i said i can great battery life too. I didnt touch the phone hardly at all on monday. The phone was off the charger at 5 am when i left work. woke up around noon and didnt hardly use it. I checked email every so often from that but i wasnt talking to the GF or surfing the net since I could use the laptop. Around midnight it was still over 50% so i could have easily gone 40 hours i bet on that charge with that usage pattern. I have wifi available at home the whole time too so the 3g radio isnt being used at all.

So there is a guide on how to drain a 1500 mah battery in 8 hours and then how to get 40+ out of it too
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yes i have maxed out 3 stars on all levels so i do need the full version now.

trust me there is NOTHING wrong with the phone its all about how you use it and signal strength etc. i bet i got 10-15 work emails and atleast 50 personal emails in the last 8 hours so im atleast checking the phone for those if not replying to them. in the last 5 hours i have sent and received over 650 messages on gtalk so the screen and phone are on and off for all of those and again being used.

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So there is a guide on how to drain a 1500 mah battery in 8 hours and then how to get 40+ out of it too
There is only one thing to be taken from all of this, and it is serious. You need to go to GTalk Anonymous for some counseling.

I kid. But yeah, you definitely use your phone more than me. I sync as much and have tons of widgets, but your gtalk and email use is pretty insane. I will try to make my phone die in 8 hours tomorrow and see what happens. Exciting times ahead...
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There is only one thing to be taken from all of this, and it is serious. You need to go to GTalk Anonymous for some counseling.

I kid. But yeah, you definitely use your phone more than me. I sync as much and have tons of widgets, but your gtalk and email use is pretty insane. I will try to make my phone die in 8 hours tomorrow and see what happens. Exciting times ahead...
yeah its slow at work for me and she isnt working
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Denial.... thats always the first sign :P


My 1500 battery always makes it through the work day. The difference is rather or not I show up at home with an almost dead battery or if I throw it on the charger at lunch and top it off ( I always do )
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My 1500 gets me a wopping 5 hours, TOPS!! So frustrated with this situation already. I've had it for 3 days and really thought this was going to be a major difference from the stock but ummmm, NOPE..Not at all. I wish someone could help me out with this bc my up and awake times, i believe are correct, so nothing is keeping it awake, at least I don't think so..Arrrrghhhhh!!
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My 1500 gets me a wopping 5 hours, TOPS!! So frustrated with this situation already. I've had it for 3 days and really thought this was going to be a major difference from the stock but ummmm, NOPE..Not at all. I wish someone could help me out with this bc my up and awake times, i believe are correct, so nothing is keeping it awake, at least I don't think so..Arrrrghhhhh!!
Definitely something is not right.

Next time your phone is unplugged for several hours, look at the uptime and awake time, and post both here.
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Definitely something is not right.

Next time your phone is unplugged for several hours, look at the uptime and awake time, and post both here.
Up Time 9:20 Awake Time 4:10

It's been on and just finished charging it AGAIN, for the 2nd time today....It's been unplugged for about an hour. Should I do something else that may help you, help me?
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