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Old May 13th, 2011, 11:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if this has been addressed somewhere else, but I just want to make sure. I'm still fairly new to all of this stuff, so I want to make sure I completely understand what I am doing with my phone. I have installed and successfully temporarily rooted my droid incredible with z4root. I tried it, and checked it with root checker, and it says I have superuser access. I have downloaded clockworkmod ROM manager and titanium backup. I was wondering if I can do any nandroid backups or if I can flash any ROMs? I am assuming I can't, because both of those require the phone to reboot, which would lose my root. If that's true, the only thing the temporary root is really useful for is using root only apps, and to remove bloat apps, correct? And what is ROM manager useful for if I only have a temporary root? Thanks for the help!

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yes,you can do nandroid backups and flash roms. however,if you boot to recovery,make a nandroid backup,then reboot the phone,your su access will be gone(i think) so youll need to gain temporary root again to use any root only apps(titanium backup,setcpu,drocap).

you should still be able to boot to recovery and resrtore/make backups and even flash a rom without su access,as once recovery is in place,it wont leave. you wont need su to access its features.

if you boot into recovery and flash a rom,once you reboot,you should still be rooted(i think) as the custom rom you install should have su,the superuser app,and possibly busybox built in

is there a reason you dont want permanent root? i personally would reccomend that you just run unrevoked and be done. it leaves your phone in a much safer state,IMO,as the S-OFF bootloader has greater options for restoring a soft-bricked phone,since it will flash an unsigned(i.e.,something not from HTC) RUU or recovery.

not to mention that the above info is just theory i think it is correct but i havent done it,and if i am wrong it could be possible to get into a situation where there is a bootloop or semi-functional rom that might be tough to fix without the phone being fully rooted

my advice woulf be run unrevoked,or enjoy your stock phone and leave z4root alone.

if you continue down this path,be careful... double check the md5s of anything you flash,always do your wipes,make backups,and dont forget to flash the correct gapps with cm roms.

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I guess my idea was to do a nandroid backup with a temporary root. I don't really like the idea of doing a wipe of my phone in order to unroot it if I should ever need to. I'm not really sure if there is any way to put the phone back EXACTLY how it was before the wipe, but I really want to be able to backtrack to the original stock without root if I need to. This is why I had the idea to do a nandroid with the temporary root, so then, if I ever need to, I can just flash that backup and reboot my phone, and, yay!, no more root, without having to wipe.

If you unroot your phone, is there a way to get it EXACTLY how it was before you unrooted it, meaning all of the same apps, settings, sd card, desktop configuration, etc, all the same, after the unroot? My phone is almost a part of me. I have spent a lot of time setting everything up, downloading apps, taking pictures, etc, and I would hate to do even one thing wrong that would result in losing all of that time, effort, and reliability of my phone.

My point in all of this is I wanted to be able to unroot easily. Is there a way to do a nandroid BEFORE I use unrevoked, so I can just flash it and unroot that way? I'm also not sure if I can backup all of the things mentioned above and put them EXACTLY how they are if I want to flash a ROM or unroot. I love my desktop configuration, and settings, etc, so I don't want to have to redo all of that. I'm assuming this is what titanium backup is for, but how much of that does it cover? Is there anything that it wouldn't backup, or replace if I need it?

"is there a reason you dont want permanent root? i personally would reccomend that you just run unrevoked and be done. it leaves your phone in a much safer state,IMO,as the S-OFF bootloader has greater options for restoring a soft-bricked phone,since it will flash an unsigned(i.e.,something not from HTC) RUU or recovery"
Can you explain this to me? Like I said before, I'm a little new to the idea of rooting. What's IMO? And what is the S-OFF bootloader? How is that useful if you brick your phone? And how do you use it?

Thank you very much for the help!!!
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Unhappy I can't "root" successfully....

I am really new to this forum bit, so I hope I haven't disrupted a conversation.........Do I need to download the "premium" version of the file in order to root the droid? I keep getting an error message that says "Failed!.....No fu goo"
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It's perfectly OK! We're all here to ask questions and learn! Although I am afraid to say I don't know the answer to your question. Sorry! :P
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I am really new to this forum bit, so I hope I haven't disrupted a conversation.........Do I need to download the "premium" version of the file in order to root the droid? I keep getting an error message that says "Failed!.....No fu goo"
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what premium version of what file?

if you are refering to the z4root app,i personally wouldnt use it. run unrevoked instead.
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I guess my idea was to do a nandroid backup with a temporary root. I don't really like the idea of doing a wipe of my phone in order to unroot it if I should ever need to. I'm not really sure if there is any way to put the phone back EXACTLY how it was before the wipe, but I really want to be able to backtrack to the original stock without root if I need to. This is why I had the idea to do a nandroid with the temporary root, so then, if I ever need to, I can just flash that backup and reboot my phone, and, yay!, no more root, without having to wipe.

If you unroot your phone, is there a way to get it EXACTLY how it was before you unrooted it, meaning all of the same apps, settings, sd card, desktop configuration, etc, all the same, after the unroot? My phone is almost a part of me. I have spent a lot of time setting everything up, downloading apps, taking pictures, etc, and I would hate to do even one thing wrong that would result in losing all of that time, effort, and reliability of my phone.

My point in all of this is I wanted to be able to unroot easily. Is there a way to do a nandroid BEFORE I use unrevoked, so I can just flash it and unroot that way? I'm also not sure if I can backup all of the things mentioned above and put them EXACTLY how they are if I want to flash a ROM or unroot. I love my desktop configuration, and settings, etc, so I don't want to have to redo all of that. I'm assuming this is what titanium backup is for, but how much of that does it cover? Is there anything that it wouldn't backup, or replace if I need it?
first,i have a question for you.

why do you want to root? since you have so painstakingly set up your phone,i assume that you have no interest in running custom roms? are there some root only apps that you want to use? or do you simply want the ability to make backups?

the second thing i should address,is there is really no real need to unroot once you are rooted. it doesnt change anything about your phone that would be to your advantage to undo at some point in the future,so your concerns about being able to unroot to a state to where your phone is exactly the same,but unrooted,dont make a lot of sense to me. the only real reason to unroot would be if you have to send your phone in to verizon if it breaks,in wich case they are going to send you a new phone,or possibly wipe your data to repair yours,so restoring all your apps and settings isnt of much relevance.

all rooting does is add the superuser app to your app drawer,and make some changes to the factory rom to give you "superuser access" i.e.,the ability to do pretty much whatever you want! for example flashing clockwork recovery,using root apps,flash new roms,etc. thats it. so there is no real need to ever unroot,unless as i mentioned,your phone needs serviceing.

running unrevoked is just like running z4root. it doesnt affect anything thats on your phone currently.so there is no need to make a backup before hand,but since you have clockwork recovery,you can boot into it and make a nandroid backup before you run it,for peace of mind if you want to.

a nandroid backup is basically a snapshot of your phone the instant you make the backup. text messages,call log,the apps in your app drawer,everything. if you wipe your phone,try a rom,dont like it,you can restore that backup,and it will litterally be JUST like you left it. as long as yuo took it when the phone was in a good,working state,it is basically like a system safepoint on a pc. you can make them as often as you like... just make sure to make one before attempting to make any kind of change,just in case it doesnt work out.

titanium backup is a tool to make rom changing easier for us flash-o-holics it backs up your apps and app data. it can also back up system data,but you do have to be careful when restoring it. restoring system data from 1 rom to a fresh version of that same rom is ok,but can lead to bad things if you try and restore it from 1 rom to a different rom. my reccomendation would be to only use titanium to backup apps and app data for the purpose of changing roms.

when you change roms,you will have to re-setup your homescreens (desktop) after you restore your apps. i have heard that an app called "my backup pro" can be used to backup and restore your texts and call log,but i personally never care about those,and have never used that app. i just like to back up my apps.

things on your SD card are not touched during a rom flash,or rom change. your pictures,music,videos,ringtones,alerts,pretty much anything you have stored on the SD card is perfectly safe,no need to back it up.

think of it this way: as long as you continue to remain rooted,you can boot into clockwork recovery and make a backup as often as youd like. weekly,monthly,whatever. if you should have an issue with your phones speaker,for example,and they send you a replacement,you can root the new phone,insert your sd card,and restore your most recent backup. return the damaged phone back to stock and send it back in. or if you just wake up one morning and it wont turn on root the replacement phone,restore the most recent backup,good to go. obviously you wont need to worry about returning it to stock since it wont turn on but the point is... remaining rooted can ensure that you are able to restore a current backup to a replacement incredible if you should have any kind of hardware or software malfunction.



"is there a reason you dont want permanent root? i personally would reccomend that you just run unrevoked and be done. it leaves your phone in a much safer state,IMO,as the S-OFF bootloader has greater options for restoring a soft-bricked phone,since it will flash an unsigned(i.e.,something not from HTC) RUU or recovery"
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Can you explain this to me? Like I said before, I'm a little new to the idea of rooting. What's IMO? And what is the S-OFF bootloader? How is that useful if you brick your phone? And how do you use it?

Thank you very much for the help!!!
as i said,IMO simply= in my opinion(like LOL=lauging out loud). the S-OFF bootloader is a "security off" bootloader. the bootloaders job can be to flash the different parts of a factory issued rom(called an RUU). an S-ON bootloader will ONLY flash things that have been signed by,and therefore approved by,HTC.

without getting into a complex explanation,the S-OFF bootloader simply adds greater flexibility and more options to fix a phone that wont boot and wont work,since we can use it to flash whatever we want,even if it hasnt been approved by HTC

another big advantage is that it is easy to accept an OTA without permanently losing your root if you want to. there is more info on unrevokeds page here: public:forever [RootWiki]

my advice would be not to worry so much about the bootloader and being S-OFF actually means at this point,just that it is better

anyway,i hope that clears up a few things for you.
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And what is ROM manager useful for if I only have a temporary root? Thanks for the help!
i thot i should go back and adress this last statement. rom manager is not useful for anything other than flashing clockwork recovery. DO NOT use it to make backups,or try and flash roms.

rom manager is unreliable,and has great potential for making your phone unusable. you should become comfortable making backups,wiping,and flashing roms manually,in clockwork recovery.
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And I'll chime in in something here... you should NEVER try to accept an OTA while rooted, s-off or s-on. While the chances are slim it could cause the phone to become unusable especially if Verizon bakes something into it to disable rooted phones. Wait for a dev to root the OTA first.
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what premium version of what file?

if you are refering to the z4root app,i personally wouldnt use it. run unrevoked instead.
Yes, that is what I was referring to. I was directed to it by Google, I believe. At any rate, based on your recommendation, I uninstalled it and then looked for Unrevoked. However, it appears Unrevoked doesn't work on Android X 2.2. Also, Verizon tells me that they are the only ones who have the X. So am I outta luck?.....Thanks for your information. You have saved me A LOT of time!
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Yes, that is what I was referring to. I was directed to it by Google, I believe. At any rate, based on your recommendation, I uninstalled it and then looked for Unrevoked. However, it appears Unrevoked doesn't work on Android X 2.2. Also, Verizon tells me that they are the only ones who have the X. So am I outta luck?.....Thanks for your information. You have saved me A LOT of time!
so you have a motorola droid X? psssst... youre in the incredible forum

my apologies,i did not realize that you didnt have the htc incredible. you might check here for the best methods of rooting the x: Motorola Droid X - Android Forums

also try the unlockr.com: Motorola Droid X How To’s | TheUnlockr

on the unlockrs page,i used the superoneclick method on my original droid and it was pretty painless might give that one a go
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And I'll chime in in something here... you should NEVER try to accept an OTA while rooted, s-off or s-on. While the chances are slim it could cause the phone to become unusable especially if Verizon bakes something into it to disable rooted phones. Wait for a dev to root the OTA first.
ive actually never heard of anything bad happening. clockwork and RA recoveries will block it from happening. the worse part is how it will hound you to update until youve installed a rom with the OTAs updates and firmware number. the developers always seem to get them early,so hopefully a rom update will be available to you before the OTA even starts getting pushed to phones.

youll need to install a stock recovery to get an OTA.

for sh*ts and giggles,i just unrooted my inc. put it back to unrooted stock firmware,radio,and recovery. true to unrevokeds claim,my s-off remained,and all i had to do was flash my prefered recovery(in my case RA-GNM) thru hboot to get it back. before restoring my cm7 backup,i confirmed that you can make and restore backups of the stock unrooted firmware just fine,so if a person really wanted to obtain temp root and flash clockwork recovery,and then just use that to make backups of their stock firmware on occasion,i dont see why it would not work. after restoring cm7,i went back to the unrooted firmware again,and flashed the superuser app thru recovery and rebooted back into now rooted factory firmware. pretty slick... stock to rooted without running any rooting programs i dont see any reason why it wouldnt work like this with an OTA. just make 100% sure to be very careful what you flahs thru hboot. always double and triple check your md5 sums

the only thing i am not able to test,is the ability to enter recovery from an s-on hboot. but im pretty sure it works the same

for whatever thats worth,anyway
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so you have a motorola droid X? psssst... youre in the incredible forum

my apologies,i did not realize that you didnt have the htc incredible. you might check here for the best methods of rooting the x: Motorola Droid X - Android Forums

also try the unlockr.com: Motorola Droid X How To’s | TheUnlockr

on the unlockrs page,i used the superoneclick method on my original droid and it was pretty painless might give that one a go
Duhhhhhh! Thanks for the info. Like I said, I'm a newbie............
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ive actually never heard of anything bad happening. clockwork and RA recoveries will block it from happening.
Just happened to a few thunderbolt users. Whether was verizon's intentions or not, can still happen.

Verizon will be implementing ways to block rooted users from the network, and it can happen over a seemingly innocent OTA, just a matter of time. Verizon/HTC devs are smarter than people give them credit for.

So like I said best practice is to never accept ota's from verizon while rooted. Always wait for a dev to bake it.
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Just happened to a few thunderbolt users. Whether was verizon's intentions or not, can still happen.
got some links?

clockwork wont install an OTA,and ive not heard of anyone trying to install the stock recovery image in order to accept one... the only issue ive seen/haerd/read about is folks that tried to flash HTCs signed RUU overop of their rooted/S-OFF devices. doing that does indeed end badly,but is not the same as accepting an OTA notification.
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clockwork wont install an OTA,and ive not heard of anyone trying to install the stock recovery image in order to accept one... the only issue ive seen/haerd/read about is folks that tried to flash HTCs signed RUU overop of their rooted/S-OFF devices. doing that does indeed end badly,but is not the same as accepting an OTA notification.
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/12/htc-thunderbolt-ota-ready-sending-check-your-phone/

I've flashed the ruu over my phone (s-off) multiple times, that's fine to do. It's the easiest way to unroot but keep s-off.
But future OTA's can have ways of detecting non-stock recoveries and disabling the phone. Again, the key word is "can". The odds are slim it will ever happen soon, but just talking about best practice.

Another link: (post 6)
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/forum/htc-thunderbolt-help/2255-how-i-got-past-ota-update-forcing-thunderbolt-into-recovery-mode.html
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good info. hadnt heard about the OTA "sneeking in" without a notification

also thot id point out that,incredibles and thunderbolts are not exactly an apples to apples comparison. flashing the newest signed firmware(1.13.605.7) on a rooted thunderbolt WILL likely brick your device [ruu + update.zip][MR1 aka First OTA] May 12th OTA - 1.13.605.7 - xda-developers

so i assume,your refering to having flashed RUUs on your rooted inc,wich is indeed fine.

appears that there may be some issue with clockwork preventing the OTA on the TB,but with the inc your fairly safe as long as your phone powers into hboot,and is s-off,its fixable

thats the beauty of unrevokeds "forever" tool... even if you flash an RUU that oiverwrites the bootloader, the s-off patch stays in place.
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just make 100% sure to be very careful what you flahs thru hboot. always double and triple check your md5 sums
Can you explain this to me? What are md5 sums? How are they important? What sum do I need to make sure I have? How do you check it?

Also, I tried unrooting my temporary root with z4root. I was able to unroot in a couple seconds (it took longer to press the button ). It was quick and easy, and no wipe required. I was wondering, if I ever needed to bring my phone back to Verizon, could I root using unrevoked and unroot (if needed) with z4root, so then I don't have to wipe all of my data? Not planning on needing to do that anytime soon, but I was just wondering if it would work.

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Can you explain this to me? What are md5 sums? How are they important? What sum do I need to make sure I have? How do you check it?

Also, I tried unrooting my temporary root with z4root. I was able to unroot in a couple seconds (it took longer to press the button ). It was quick and easy, and no wipe required. I was wondering, if I ever needed to bring my phone back to Verizon, could I root using unrevoked and unroot (if needed) with z4root, so then I don't have to wipe all of my data? Not planning on needing to do that anytime soon, but I was just wondering if it would work.

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Most of the better devs post an MD5 for a particular download. Very generally speaking, it's a string of numbers/letters that are associated with that file for the purpose of recognition. There are many MD5 calculator programs that will analyze a download and generate it's MD5. Once downloaded, if it matches what the dev posted, you can be ensured of file and download integrity.

As for the unroot with Z4 idea, I haven't tried it but by the time you want to unroot, you're probably not going to be running exact stock so I'm not sure what attempting to unroot would do in that situation but I wouldn't want to try it myself. If you're wanting to unroot for a return, you'd want to be back on the current stock Rom at that time so I've always just loaded the stock rom.zip (PB31IMG) by way of a FAT32 formatted SD card which removes root and brings you back to stock. Can also run the actual RUU (.exe) on a computer while hooked up via USB cable for the same result. Note that you would still be s-off at that time and you'd need to load the s-on tool prior to unrooting if desired.

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not much more to add to iowabowtech explantion of md5s.he even provided you with a link so you can check them on your pc before transfering them to your phone,wich is an excellent habit to get into. it will easily save some headaches that can arise from accidentally flashing an incomplete download

you can also check them on your phone by using an app called "scary aliens andriod file verifier AFV" wich is available from the market. its a good habit to get into to chec them prior to flashing.

the reason i stressed the importance of checking them when flashing things thru an s-off bootloader,is that it will not do any security checks like an "s-on" bootloader will. therefore,it is particularly dangerous to flash a phone in this manner,as a bad file can leave the phone in operable,and even unrecoverable i dont mean to scare you,but,while relatively safe if done correctly(by using only files from a reputable source and verifying the md5 sum prior to flashing) it is not something to be taken lightly.

files are flashed thru hboot in the manner described above. they are renamed to "PB31IMG" and placed on a FAT32 formatted SD card,then the phone is put into hboot by powering off,then back on while holding volume down.

as i mentioned,this is not something youll likely have to to for awhile,so i wouldnt worry too much about it right now. the majority of what you do with your phone will be in your clockworkmod revovery(making backups,wiping data,flashing roms) and is reasonably risk free

as for your unroot with z4root,i agree completely with iowa... its not something i would recomend or personally do. z4root is a somewhat outdated app,and i would avoid its use completely. if you are this concerned about being able to unroot without losing data,it may be a good idea that you do not root yet.

as i mentioned in the other post- you will be able to make backups as often as youd like to prevent data loss. using unrevoked,and being s-off,will make it extremely easy for you to take your phone in for service. you may not understand these steps completely,but all you will have to do to service your phone will be:
1-boot to recovery and make a backup
2-reboot and place the return to stock PB00IMG on your sd card
3-boot into hboot and run the update
4-take your phone in for service
5-when you reciece it back,it depends what the did as to your next course of action. if you still have the s-off bootloader,all youll need to do is flash clockworkmod recovery thru hboot,then restore your backup. easy as that.
6-if they have pushed software,or you have run the unrevoked "s-on tool",you will have to run the unrevoked program again to re-root your phone and get the s-off baCK. at this time,all youll have to to is reflash clockworkmod recovery via rom manager,and boot into it,then restore your backup.

the point im getting at,is that its not a big deal to wipe your data to unroot. all youll have to do is re-root in a worse case scenario to be able to restore a backup and get your phones setup back exactly the way you left it
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Cool! Thank you guys for all the replies! It has helped a lot I now have another question: can you explain to me ROMs? I kind of understand what they are, and that you put them on the SD card and flash them in recovery, but are there only certain ones that can be done on the incredible? How do I know which ones they are? Where can I find a complete list of them? How do I flash them? Do I HAVE to delete all of my memory? How do I do that? And what is the "radio" and "kernel" and what does changing them do? And how do I do that? Thanks for all of your help!
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Cool! Thank you guys for all the replies! It has helped a lot I now have another question: can you explain to me ROMs? I kind of understand what they are, and that you put them on the SD card and flash them in recovery, but are there only certain ones that can be done on the incredible? How do I know which ones they are? Where can I find a complete list of them? How do I flash them? Do I HAVE to delete all of my memory? How do I do that? And what is the "radio" and "kernel" and what does changing them do? And how do I do that? Thanks for all of your help!
Whew that's a mouth full. But here's a start List of ROM's for the Incredible - xda-developers. You need to leave the radio and kernel's alone until you get a better understanding of what rooting is. The one thing you don't want to do is brick you phone (make it an expensive paper weight) from playing with things you don't have a good understanding about.
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Thanks for the link! It was really helpful! How do I get a better understanding about it? I really want to learn what they are all about so I don't do something stupid and screw up my phone. Like you said, it would make a very expensive paperweight. :P
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the rom basically,is the operating system. the kernel is the core part of the rom,that controls everything else. the part of the rom that controls the display,the part that controls the buttons,all parts of the rom that "do things" coordinate their efforts with the kernel. the radio is basically what makes the phone a phone-it controls the reciever/transmitter that send and recieve the cell phone signal. changing the kernel can get you faster processor speeds(overclocking),better battery life,and increase performance. changing the radio can get you strogner signal,or more reliable signal. but i agree with BC... take one step at a time.

yes,doing a data wipe will erase your phone when you install a custom rom. but fear not,you can use an app called titanium backup to back up your apps and their data prior to flashing. this will make it significantly easier to re-setup your phone,but you will not be able to safely be able to get away without some re-setup time,its part of changing your rom.

again,why do you want to root? if you simply want to be able to make backups,and delete some bloatware,you can root and do that without ever changing the rom. flashing new and exciting new roms is a benefit of being rooted,not a requirement
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I really want to do some backups, and get some root only apps, but I think that, after I root, I am eventually going to end up flashing a ROM, whether I like it or not ;P So do I need to change the kernel or radio when I flash a ROM? Or can I just download and wipe my phone and flash any ROM on the page of ROMs that "the plumber" linked to without any worry? I'm just confused if I can just "flash and go" or if there are any changes or other things I need to do before flashing to make sure I don't brick it.
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So do I need to change the kernel or radio when I flash a ROM?
no. the radio is at a level of programming that is not touched by roms flashed in clockwork recovery,so it will always be there,and be the same. the rom you chose will allready have a kernel included that is pretty optimized for the rom. actually, i personally dont usually change it,except on rare occasions.

changing the kernel and radio are more for the tweekers to get every last ounce of performance. it can be very much likened to changing small parts on the engine of a drag race only car in order to get a couple more horsepower,and a couple tenths of a second quicker 1/4 mile time

nothing wrong at all with simply picking a rom,flashing it,and enjoying it as-is youll see a lot of comments like "im running xyz rom with sosandsos's kernel and my phone is fast!". just be patient,after youve flashed a few roms,made and restored some backups,and gotten the hang of things,if you want to start trying peoples reccomended combos you can. but for now,just flash the rom and enjoy
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no. the radio is at a level of programming that is not touched by roms flashed in clockwork recovery,so it will always be there,and be the same. the rom you chose will allready have a kernel included that is pretty optimized for the rom. actually, i personally dont usually change it,except on rare occasions.

changing the kernel and radio are more for the tweekers to get every last ounce of performance. it can be very much likened to changing small parts on the engine of a drag race only car in order to get a couple more horsepower,and a couple tenths of a second quicker 1/4 mile time

nothing wrong at all with simply picking a rom,flashing it,and enjoying it as-is youll see a lot of comments like "im running xyz rom with sosandsos's kernel and my phone is fast!". just be patient,after youve flashed a few roms,made and restored some backups,and gotten the hang of things,if you want to start trying peoples reccomended combos you can. but for now,just flash the rom and enjoy
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Ok, so I know I'm probably running circles, but I want to be 100% sure of what I'm doing. What do those titles on that list of ROMs mean? The ones that say "Sense(less)" or "AOSP"? Does this mean that I have to do something different before downloading it? Or is this related to the kernel? Or is this just a different type of layout and look compared to the stock incredible? Is it something I really need to worry about, or should I just flash and try, and see the type I like? Thanks for dealing with a noob!
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AOSP are open source and built from the ground up by a developer and are pure vanilla.

Sense roms are roms based off of HTC's code and will look very similar the interface you are used too.

Senseless are similar(built from htc's code) but have all of the "sense" features removed, ie, the launcher/widgets, and look like pure vanilla roms.
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Ok, so I posted another thread, but I'll put it here too. I did everything word for word by this article: Simple unrEVOked 3 rooting for stock Incredible or Evo on 2.2

It just sits at the "waiting for device" screen. What should I do? I tried twice on two computers, and it's done nothing, and I did everything it said.
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Ok, so I posted another thread, but I'll put it here too. I did everything word for word by this article: Simple unrEVOked 3 rooting for stock Incredible or Evo on 2.2

It just sits at the "waiting for device" screen. What should I do? I tried twice on two computers, and it's done nothing, and I did everything it said.

That means you don't have you usb debugging enabled or installed the drivers wrong. They have to be installed twice, once while in hboot and once while the phone is booted. Also make sure no conflicting drivers are installed (htc sync, pda net).

If you are absolutely positive the drivers are correct, try a different computer or different usb cable, or different sd card.

Easiest method is to use a mac, no drivers required.

Also have to run the package as an administrator.

In device manager you should see the exact images you see here:
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I only installed them once. Thank you!!!
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Another question! What is busybox for? Is it important? Do I need it?
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And do you need to delete the sd card when flashing a ROM?
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since it looks like youve got your driver prollem figured out,i wont address that.

one thing to add to what sdraw said:AOSP roms are pure vanilla. "pure vanilla" is android,as google intended it. no aditional skins or modifications. the nexus one,nexus s,original droid,and a small handful of others run pure,unmolested vanilla android.

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you will need it in order for titanium backup to work correctly. when you first run titanium backup,touch the prollems box in the corner,and it will install busy box,if its not allready.

one last thing with titanium,get the paid version(if we havent mentioned this allready) its well worth the $$,as it will automagically do batch backups for you. with the free version you will have to manually back up and restore all your apps one at a time if you only have 1 or 2,maybe its no biggie,but any more than that you want the paid version

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the entire sd card? oh gosh,no... you dont need to touch anything on the sd card. if your card is small,you will find that you cant fit very many backups and roms on it,so every time you want to flash a rom,yoll prolly want to delete your previous rom file,and youll want to routinely transfer backups to your PC so youve only got 3 or so on your sd card at any given time.

alternately,get a bigger card... the bigger the better. at least 8gb,IMO. ive personall got 32
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That's cause you got a bolt.
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i got a 32gb in my inc,too. got it a newegg.com it had a 2gb in it when i first got it not near enuff for a flashoholic
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i got a 32gb in my inc,too. got it a newegg.com it had a 2gb in it when i first got it not near enuff for a flashoholic

Cool good to know cause I was wanting to get a 32.:ad
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I got a 16 gb just the other day. Finally convinced me to root Do you need to do a wipe before a nandroid restore? I've done two backups, just to get the hang of it, and I want to test them to make sure they work. Can I just go to restore, or do I need to wipe first? Thanks!
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I got a 16 gb just the other day. Finally convinced me to root Do you need to do a wipe before a nandroid restore? I've done two backups, just to get the hang of it, and I want to test them to make sure they work. Can I just go to restore, or do I need to wipe first? Thanks!
If your restoreing a different rom then yes you need to do a full wipe before restoring.
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I *think* that a restore automatically wipes for you,but I personally always wipe data/cache/dalvik,and I would reccomend that you do also. Better safe than sorry.
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So is there anything I don't wipe? Or do I wipe everything that I can? And how do I know if the backup worked? And does it restore literally every single thing about the device, exactly how it was when then backup was done?
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you do not need to wipe battery stats,rotate settings,or anything else.

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unfortunately,you wont know that it worked untill you restore it. if it comes up and looks exactly like it did when you made the backup,then it worked if it comes up "touch the android to begin" then it didnt work.

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yes. everything. 100% as it was when you made it.
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And another question. Sorry to ask so many questions. I think I'm actually getting the hang of this. This is added on to my previous question. I have rooted my phone using unrevoked. I have done four nandroid backups so far. I downloaded titanium backup and have been doing backups every day, if not more often. (btw, all of this is over the last week or so). I just finished downloading the cyanogenmod newest "stable" ROM for the incredible off of their website. I triple-checked the md5 sum. I put the zip file on my sd card (in no particular place. Idk if that matters at all) and triple-checked the md5 sum again. I'm ready to try my first ROM. I know I need to do a nandroid, and a titanium backup, and wipe the phone in clockwork recovery. Then I need to go to "update" and select the zip file. Is there anything else that I am forgetting? Can I leave it as a .zip file? Do I need to rename it, or put it in a certain folder?

Then, after flashing the ROM, I now I need to download titanium backup again and then run restore to bring back all of my apps. Does any of this affect my sd card, or shouldn't I worry about that? And can I restore EVERYTHING from titanium backup, or will the system settings or other backups cause issues? I'm I missing anything????? Thanks for all of your help!!!
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first i feel i should warn you... cm7 is pure vanilla AOSP android and will be nothing like what youre used to with htc sense.

if your ready for a change,then...

the biggest thing you are forgetting is that with cm7 youll need to flash the google apps addon or,"gapps" you can find it in the first post of the nightlys discussion thread on cyangens page here: [NIGHTLY] [CM7] Discussion of Nightlies - CyanogenMod Forum

you might also refer to this thread for more info: Rooted - now what?

in a nutshell:
1)backup user apps+ data with titanium backup
1a)force a google sync of your contacts,calander,etc. in case youve added any
2)trnasfer cm7 rom and gapps to sd card via usb(do not rename or unzip)
3)boot to recovery
4)nandroid backup
5) wipe data/cache/dalvik
6)install rom from zipcard
6a)choose cm7 rom
6b)choose gapps
7) reboot

dont freak out,first boot always takes awhile

when its up:
1)sign in to google account and wait for sync to finish
2) market may be restoring some apps. if it is,wait for it to finish. now download titanium free and pro key
3) run batch to "restore missing apps+data"
4)when its finished with that batch,re-setup your home screens. place apps where you want them,tweek settings such as alerts,ringtones, etc.
5)youll have to sign into apps like facebook and twitter,and other email accounts.

DO NOT BY ANY MEANS RESTORE ANY SYSTEM DATA roms wont get much different than cm7 and stock sense. they are at extreme ends of the spectrum,and restoring anything other than user apps+data will cause force closes and all sorts of issues.

hope that helps
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And one more thing! Does it cause issues if I copy a nandroid backup to the computer just for safe-keeping, and then copy it back to the phone in the clockwork recovery folder when I need it?
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Thank you so much for all of the information! I am confused though about the titanium backup. Doesn't it back the system data too?
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