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Old May 2nd, 2010, 01:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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dl3.htc.com/misc/inc8049.apk

Copy/paste that onto a browser.

http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/91/p/2795/60062.aspx

You do not need to be rooted. As I posted above, this shows you your /data/data file size.

The problem is quite clearly saved app data. I went through and deleted most of the data in my apps and my /data/data file increased x4.
Why am I getting this notification?

Internal phone storage shows:
Total space: 6.60GB
Available space: 6.43GB

Phone Memory shows:
Total space: 748MB
Available space: 689MB

This doesn't seem low to me. What am I not understanding here?

I'm kind of confused as to what each memory storage location means? It's like there's 2 different locations of where things are stored then right? I know apps can't go into the "Internal phone storage" so they obviously go into the "Phone memory".
When I hook my phone to my PC, I created a few folders called "ringtones", "wallpapers", & "caller IDs". Are these counting towards the available space in the "Internal phone memory" or in the "Phone memory" location?

I did download Astro File Manager and when I opened it I can't find any of these folders I created, or any picture files from the camera pics I've taken. Where are these located?

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EDIT: The title line is supposed to say I have 689MB left...

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Here is a post in this thread that may be of help to others. its post #573
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I have literally hundreds, at least 300 apps installed, so it's not the number of apps, it's the size that the apps decide to take out of \data\data, regardless of whether you move them to SD or not.

For those of you who aren't rooted, let me tell you what's hogging space in my \data\data partition although, (as I've mentioned above in this thread), I run an app called NotEnoughSpace which moves stuff out to other locations so it's not "really" in that partition any more.

First of all, the single biggest hog of \data\data is your contacts database. I have 1690 Outlook Exchange contacts and that takes up nearly 27 megabytes in the partition. Remember, you have 150 megabytes, but you only want to use 135, so contacts can take a huge chunk of that.

Another thing I've seen repeatedly murder the space is synchronization of Facebook contacts. Can't understand why, but I do not recommend syncing Facebook contacts to the phone --- will absolutely kill that partition and bring the handset to its knees if you lots of Facebook friends. My daughter did that on her Incredible (even though its rooted and running Nothing Special (Plain) mentioned above, and completely lost functionality of her handset until I talked her through deleting the Facebook contacts.

Mobiplayer takes 10 megabytes.
Adobe Reader, Adobe Flash Player and Adobe Air each take at least 1 megabyte.
Google Earth takes several megabytes.
Firefox takes 8.1 megabytes
"Internet" (the default browser) takes 1.1 megabytes.
PowerAmp takes 1 megabyte
Angry Birds (any of the 3 versions), Shazam, gReader Pro all take gobs of space.

And, finally, the Mail app is a huge pig, even if you don't use it (it's required for Exchange functionality, regardless of which email client you ultimately use).

Finally, the only way you can directly manipulate what's in the partition is to be rooted. Period.

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i had seen this bug a couple of times when updating apps when i was using my droid. the solution was to uninstall and reinstall the app.
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I haven't downloaded any apps recently?

I did go into my pop mail inbox and found I had 400+ emails in the trash folder so I deleted them, and the low on space notif. went away. But the weird thing was that there was no difference in either the "Internal phone storage" or "Phone memory" locations.
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To clarify your your problem with the different storages:

The "Internal Phone Storage" is like the phones hard drive. This is where data such as music, audio recordings, pictures, etc can be stored and is "non-Volatile" ( Meaning turning your phone off you will not lose anything here." NOTE: There has been issues with things recognizing and using this Internal Storage. I don't know enough about these issues so I won't comment on them.

The "Phone Memory" is your ROM ( Which stands for Read Only Memory - Though it has been writeable for years. ) Typically the actual system files and program executables will reside here, while program data and information can potentially be stored on the Phone Storage.

As for the actual problem, it sounds like having the emails in the trash just glitched something out. Unless you had massive attachments all over the place in those emails, you shouldn't have ran out of memory or storage from them, but the large number could have caused problems.
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To clarify your your problem with the different storages:

The "Internal Phone Storage" is like the phones hard drive. This is where data, programs, etc will be stored and is "non-Volatile" ( Meaning turning your phone off you will not lose anything here."

The "Phone Memory" is your RAM ( Which stands for Random Access Memory ), this is very fast but Volatile ( meaning when you turn the phone off, everything in there goes to 0). This is used only by something actively running so that it doesn't have to read for the slower storage.
That would help the OP if only it were true. In phones, the RO part of ROM is loose, and it can be written to. On the Inc, it is the boot drive. That is the 700 some MB you see. The 6.x GB is onboard non volatile memory. It is like a second hard drive. You cannot really put programs there (they install on the boot drive usually), although if they are programed correctly the programs can store information on this drive.

I cannot help you with the warning, but I felt the need to stop misinformation from propagating.

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That would help the OP if only it were true. In phones, the RO part of ROM is loose, and it can be written to. On the Inc, it is the boot drive. That is the 700 some MB you see. The 6.x GB is onboard non volatile memory. It is like a second hard drive. You cannot really put programs there (they install on the boot drive usually), although if they are programed correctly the programs can store information on this drive.

I cannot help you with the warning, but I felt the need to stop misinformation from propagating.

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Woops. That's what I get for posting on boards after 3am I totally spaced the ROM and I should know better.

( For a close example of ROM from a computer look at your BIOS. Which is typically a flash eeprom. However, portable elctronics tend to use ROM a lot heavier than your computer as they don't have to be as easily re-written and adaptable. )
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Ok, thanks for the help...now my other question....

I downloaded Astro File Manager and when I opened it I can't find any of the folders I created (I created "ringtones", "caller IDs" etc), or any picture files from the camera pics I've taken. Where are these located?
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Woops. That's what I get for posting on boards after 3am I totally spaced the ROM and I should know better.

( For a close example of ROM from a computer look at your BIOS. Which is typically a flash eeprom. However, portable elctronics tend to use ROM a lot heavier than your computer as they don't have to be as easily re-written and adaptable. )
It's cool. Trust me, I read over my response double and triple checking to make sure I was still correct at 3 am

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Ok, thanks for the help...now my other question....

I downloaded Astro File Manager and when I opened it I can't find any of the folders I created (I created "ringtones", "caller IDs" etc), or any picture files from the camera pics I've taken. Where are these located?
Where did you create them at? If it was on the sdcard, then in Astro from the top level folder you should see one listed as "sdcard" just open that one up.

Been awhile since I've used a *nix system, so I forget where the main folder for that is located and will let someone else answer
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Default Notifications: Low on space

Hi guys. I have checked all the low on space threads and i feel like mines is definitely an odd ball
When i click on the notification it sends me to my Manage Apps menu. The Manage Apps menu kind of freezes and all the apps show but the disk space says "computing..." and doesn't change

This is the current amount of space I have in my phone.

SD card - Total space = 7.42GB / Avail. space = 7.05gb
Internal phone storage - Total space = 6.6gb / Avail. space = 6.53gb
Phone memory - Total space = 748MB / Avail space = 696MB

I have tried clearing the internet cache and etc..still to no avail. the phone seems to be functioning fine except for the notification that bugs me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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if you are using HTC Mail, check the data used by Mail. Settings->Applications->Mail and then look at the data.

don't have a solution on how to prune that data. stock android and HTC mail on Eris has a clear data button which is missing in the incredible. of course clear data clears out the account info as well.

see this thread in the Desire Forum:

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I am not using HTC mail. deng looks like ill have to do a reset and lose my contacts
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no don't do that (reset).

go through Settings->Applications->Manage Applications and sort by size. then plot your next move.
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johnny5gti, same issues on my incredible....
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I was able to goto verizon for a hard reset because my phone did not allow me to format the phone storage.
I first sync'd my contacts to my gmail using this method
http://androidforums.com/support-troubleshooting-incredible/73489-google-not-syncing-my-phone-book.html
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I got a notification that says I'm getting low on space. "Phone storage space is getting low." Huh ? I go into settings / SD card & phone storage and I get ---Internal phone storage Total space 6.60GB. Available space 6.44GB. Total space 748MB and Available space 672MB. How can I be getting low ?
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Just turn your phone off / back on and move on, just a fluke..
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Tried that. Even took the battery out. Still there.
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do you have and sd card in if not might be an app looking for it or something like that
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Yes I have a Sandisk 4gb sd card in.

And now I'm getting another message.

Not enough storage space for SMS/MMS !
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What did you do to your incredible? :P

Ok, here's another option: Connect to a PC, set Disk Drive mode, wait about 45 seconds, switch back to Charge Only and see what it says then.
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Didnt change. Also on the sd card, I have 3.48Gb free
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Ok, try installing System Panel. Then look at the running apps and see if there is one in particular using a ridiculous amount of memory.
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Default my version of this problem. solution = master reset

I had this problem.

I tried to install Swype, but did it incorrectly. I downloaded it, and installed it, but did not use a file manager (like Astro) etc etc. Basically, I made a mistake & installed it improperly. It did not work.

However, after this blown install, I kept getting 'out of space' errors. Phone worked fine, but kept getting errors. My theory is that somehow I corrupted the phone application memory space or something along those lines.

Solution: Factory reset, reinstall apps, email, etc etc. Fixed problem.

Not the best way probably, but did the trick. Good luck
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Might also be a corrupted FAT table on the SD card. Try connecting to your computer and format the SD card. You could do it on the phone, but if that's what corrupted the card, it may not help. I'd do it on the PC.

The phone checks the SD card and the system memory at startup so if the file table of the card is corrupted, it could be causing errors.
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This phone is screwed. Now all it does is reboot.
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This phone is screwed. Now all it does is reboot.
This happened to my buddy davewoodson....he had it replaced....

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Thanks everyone . I ended up doing a factory reset.
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Are you using HTC Mail? If so, from the home screen, press Menu > Applications > Manage applications and look for "Mail" (shows HTC Corporation underneath it).

See how many megs Mail is taking up. A lot of people have been having this issue, and someone's already started on getting HTC to acknowledge the problem. I've already dealt with this and had to reset the phone to factory settings to clear away HTC Mail.

No one knows why it does this, but there are a couple threads on this here and Android Central.

HTC Mail Memory Leak/Bug ("Phone Storage Getting Low") - Android Central Forums

http://androidforums.com/support-troubleshooting-incredible/80143-htc-mail-memory-leak-bug-phone-storage-getting-low.html?highlight=phone+storage+low
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Fyi his still did after a factory reset.
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gobluejd, he only reboot, didn't reset. Just recently did he reset, and he thanked us. I'm assuming that fixed the issue, which means he had the same exact issue I detailed above.
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I had to do a factory reset. Everything is good now. Now I just have to reload all my apps. And no I do not use HTC mail. I just dont understand why it was doing all that crap.
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Are you using HTC Mail? If so, from the home screen, press Menu > Applications > Manage applications and look for "Mail" (shows HTC Corporation underneath it).

See how many megs Mail is taking up. A lot of people have been having this issue, and someone's already started on getting HTC to acknowledge the problem. I've already dealt with this and had to reset the phone to factory settings to clear away HTC Mail.

No one knows why it does this, but there are a couple threads on this here and Android Central.

HTC Mail Memory Leak/Bug ("Phone Storage Getting Low") - Android Central Forums

http://androidforums.com/support-troubleshooting-incredible/80143-htc-mail-memory-leak-bug-phone-storage-getting-low.html?highlight=phone+storage+low
Interesting read. I don't have this problem but to clarify (and to lookout for it) - having large document attachments etc will raise the total storage but it should never get to the 100+ megs if working properly? Or is it that it can get to the 100+ megs *within* htc mail but it should NOT leak out into the phone memory and cause it to freeze up the phone?
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gobluejd, he only reboot, didn't reset. Just recently did he reset, and he thanked us. I'm assuming that fixed the issue, which means he had the same exact issue I detailed above.
I was referring to my buddy mentioned above, davewoodson. He did a factory freset. Then sometimes he would TXT, SMS or would use Google Talk, it would freeze.
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I was referring to my buddy mentioned above, davewoodson. He did a factory freset. Then sometimes he would TXT, SMS or would use Google Talk, it would freeze.
yeah, it would and I would have next to nothing on it. in fact, I just had factory settings the last time. The time before that I had the exact some stuff my wife had (she had more games) and it would do it.

Anyway, got my new one today and it seems to be running just fine

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Notsure Low on space message with 579MB of phone memory?!?

I have an HTC incredible and a ton of free memory (579MB to be exact) but still getting this low space message.

I've cleared the browser cache and I've also removed some apps but the error is still there and I can't delete any new apps.



Any help would be most appreciated!
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OS memory and phone storage memory are seperate things.

EDIT: I think I misunderstod your post - sorry.
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My available internal phone storage is 6.44GB (out of 6.60GB)
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My available internal phone storage is 6.44GB (out of 6.60GB)
How many apps do you have installed?>
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Approx 80..
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Approx 80..
Hmm which programs, maybe you have a bugged one, did you try soft reseting the phone? I.E battery pulling.

and then checking?
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Yes, I did - but didn't help..
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Old May 24th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Yes, I did - but didn't help..
Hmm sory can't help you anymore, haven't got mine yet, hope you get it sorted. maybe a hard reset back to basics and start again
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Yeah, that's what VZ tech support suggested..seems a defective app caused this but cant tell which..
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I started getting this message. It just got worst, to the point were i couldn't open a txt message due to lack of memory. Mu phone started acting like a virus infested PC. I had to do a factory reset.
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Old May 24th, 2010, 10:41 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I think the issue is the amount of apps not memory. I bet you can run fine with 70 or so but once you hit 80 it freaks out. I remember people reporting this on the Sprint Hero
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Default Re: Low on space message with 579MB of phone memory?!?

Is this SD card memory or internal storage? However both are not what causes that message you get that from the app memory on the phone which I believe is only around 512. Try deleting some of the apps you don't use or need.

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Had the same problem after installing about 90 apps. Did a factory reset and didn't use the HTC mail app. It seems that there's a memory leak in the app. Everything is fine now.
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Thumbs up Low space with 579mb of free phone memory?!? - problem solved

Ok, guys (and ladies!), here's how I managed to fix this problem.

I deleted about 10 more apps (new total apps: 71) and this freed the memory phone to 591MB - then the phone automatically resumed downloading some updates to apps including the advanced task killer.

I used the advanced task killer to kill a bunch of apps that were still running and voila...the "low on space" error message went away.

I've since updated over 10 apps and all is well. Looks like the apps count needs under 80 for some reason...hopefully this is fixed with 2.2.

Thank you all for writing with ideas.
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Old May 25th, 2010, 06:40 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Ok, guys (and ladies!), here's how I managed to fix this problem.

I deleted about 10 more apps (new total apps: 71) and this freed the memory phone to 591MB - then the phone automatically resumed downloading some updates to apps including the advanced task killer.

I used the advanced task killer to kill a bunch of apps that were still running and voila...the "low on space" error message went away.

I've since updated over 10 apps and all is well. Looks like the apps count needs under 80 for some reason...hopefully this is fixed with 2.2.

Thank you all for writing with ideas.

Weird. If there really is a limit to the apps that BETTER be fixed in 2.2 because thats just stupid.
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