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Old May 6th, 2010, 12:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So... I love my Droid Incredible. Compared to my Storm, I feel that if it had feet it would be able to walk across the Atlantic without getting them wet.

In any case, my Storm could multitask - but there were no apps worth using for one, and the thing was such crap that it would crash if there were more then four open. That most certainly isn't the case with the Incredible, but I've encountered a different problem when it comes to multitasking: battery life.

So I've been using Advanced App Cleaner since I got the device on Friday, but I'm so new to Android OS that I don't know if there is anything better out there. Secondly, I was wondering what apps should be kept running in the background... there seem to be a lot of background tasks.

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i use an app called Quick System Info to monitor things. it's a very nice app. tells you all your storage capacities(except the 6.6gig internal) free ram, clock speed and also has logcat.

i will sometimes kill off things i don't need running, but usually i leave things alone.
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i use advanced task killer. dont kill the weather,clock or message other wise even though you might see an alarm set at the top of the screen if you kill the clock it won't go off
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So I've been using Advanced App Cleaner since I got the device on Friday, but I'm so new to Android OS that I don't know if there is anything better out there.
Yes there is, it's called.......

wait for it.......




wait....


it's called Android
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None, you don't need them. You will do your phone more harm than good by installing one. Buyer beware.
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I also use advanced task killer and haven't had any issues.
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I feel that if it had feet it would be able to walk across the Atlantic without getting them wet.
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Yes there is, it's called.......

wait for it.......




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This.. Don't use a task killa shwilla on the hizzity hil hilla. It's bad for your phonzilla incredibila.
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If you want a downward spiral to you hating your phone, force closers and lag, then use a task killer.

Using a task killer will help you accumulate errors over time by rapidly closing multiple running processes that your phone more than likely wants running. It will confuse your phone, rendering it a piece of junk in a matter of a few months not to mention actually waste more battery life by using the processor to kill apps and free up ram that isnt using the processor in the first place.

If that sounds like something you want to do make sure you download every app killer you can find on the market and run them back to back, one after another each time after you wake it up and right before you put it to sleep. Either that or give your phone to someone that knows how to use it.
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Really interesting to see this thread and some of the responses. I installed Arvanced App Killer cuz I felt eird about having a bunch of apps running that I never actually started up. Looks like im going to go ahead and delete it. Consensus says its not needed, correct?
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Really interesting to see this thread and some of the responses. I installed Arvanced App Killer cuz I felt eird about having a bunch of apps running that I never actually started up. Looks like im going to go ahead and delete it. Consensus says its not needed, correct?

Agreed, because t-mobile was handing out "best of the best" android apps magazine, and 2 different task killers were mentioned.

Its interesting to hear all this.

I am just saying....
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Stay away from task killers and let the OS decide what needs to be closed. Unless you know exactly what each app does and exactly what it affects and EVERYTHING that is in conjunction with that single app, I would suggest you let Android close things for you.
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FAQ: Why You Shouldn’t Be Using a Task Killer with Android Geek For Me – Android CDMA Sprint Hero

The bottom line is that you MAY be able to get an auto-task killer working on your phone that doesn't mess a bunch of crap up, but you have to know what you're doing to do so.

By default it WILL kill a bunch of things that will mess up basic functions of your phone. It will be impossible to troubleshoot anything that goes wrong with your phone if you have something like this running, because you won't know if it's killing a task that is important to "X" function you are having a problem with.

Tasks that are simply sitting there in memory, but are not actively using your CPU are NOT having any adverse affect on your phone like battery life or performance. Closing them actually uses your battery more than leaving them sit there idle.

If you just want to be able to look at all the tasks (and see everything so you know what's actually happening), use something like OS Monitor. You can manually kill tasks with that too if you insist on doing so, but at least it won't be auto-killing stuff on you.

General rule of thumb: If you don't know EXACTLY what something does, leave it alone.
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Agreed, because t-mobile was handing out "best of the best" android apps magazine, and 2 different task killers were mentioned.

Its interesting to hear all this.

I am just saying....
I know right. Because when I think expert technical service and support, I think T-Mobile.
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Thanks much everyone. I'm pretty tech-savvy normally (elecritical engineer and all), but I'm so new to Android I feel like I don't know crap.
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i say use advanced task manager.
android only kills processes when its at a "critical" point.
why let it get there?
even though...i mean...we are using the incredible...
but still, i like my machine to be clean and ready.
i know how to exclude things though...
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why let it get there?
Because you don't know which tasks are relying on other tasks to function. Most apps in RAM are just sitting there. They are in memory in case they need to be used, but they aren't taking processing power and if Android needs to use the RAM they occupy, it will just write over them.
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Ok you guys scared me straight, Advanced Task Killer - uninstalled
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Because you don't know which tasks are relying on other tasks to function. Most apps in RAM are just sitting there. They are in memory in case they need to be used, but they aren't taking processing power and if Android needs to use the RAM they occupy, it will just write over them.
its not rocket science to me. i know which providers need to run.
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its not rocket science to me. i know which providers need to run.
We'll just assume that's true...but even so, someone who needs to ask about a task killer probably DOESN'T know, and as such should not use them, and should not be told to.
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we'll just assume that's true...but even so, someone who needs to ask about a task killer probably doesn't know, and as such should not use them, and should not be told to.
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Most apps that your killing are dormant anyway. Get a application called system it will show you what is actually active and how much time its been active. But don't kill your tasks unless its sucking down your processor
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We'll just assume that's true...but even so, someone who needs to ask about a task killer probably DOESN'T know, and as such should not use them, and should not be told to.
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Most apps that your killing are dormant anyway. Get a application called system it will show you what is actually active and how much time its been active. But don't kill your tasks unless its sucking down your processor
yep i have been using this for a couple days. Works nice and you can kill apps if you want.
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Ok you guys scared me straight, Advanced Task Killer - uninstalled
Seems to me there are a lot of people here who say one thing and a lot who say another all claiming to be correct!

Yet the developers write the applications you can install to close down unwanted applications ALL say they are safe and will NOT corrupt the OS!

why not do what I do and ask the developers? its NOT in their interests to write applications that will eventually destroy your OS and in my experience very few write such poor app's anyway.

Don't let peoples opinions scare you into making a rash decision, think about it logically and ask some people who write the stuff before comming to any decision, how do you know the person writing anything here has ever even seen an Android device?.

After all I claim I am an Android guru You do believe ME don't you?
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before the latest OS improvements task killers were kinda of needed. the newer OS is much better with management of memory and process management though. So they arent needed as much. Thats one reason they are strongly recommended by some. At one time they were needed, that just isnt true anymore though.
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Seems to me there are a lot of people here who say one thing and a lot who say another all claiming to be correct!

Yet the developers write the applications you can install to close down unwanted applications ALL say they are safe and will NOT corrupt the OS!

why not do what I do and ask the developers? its NOT in their interests to write applications that will eventually destroy your OS and in my experience very few write such poor app's anyway.

Don't let peoples opinions scare you into making a rash decision, think about it logically and ask some people who write the stuff before comming to any decision, how do you know the person writing anything here has ever even seen an Android device?.

After all I claim I am an Android guru You do believe ME don't you?
Rise from your grave! Two month old thread back in action!

Anyway, you're missing the point. Nobody is claiming "OS corruption" is the problem with task killers. The problem is that if you don't know what you're doing, you can cause your phone to not work properly or work the way you want it.
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Rise from your grave! Two month old thread back in action!

Anyway, you're missing the point. Nobody is claiming "OS corruption" is the problem with task killers. The problem is that if you don't know what you're doing, you can cause your phone to not work properly or work the way you want it.
Not according to 4x4le and I quote

Using a task killer will help you accumulate errors over time by rapidly closing multiple running processes that your phone more than likely wants running. It will confuse your phone, rendering it a piece of junk in a matter of a few months not to mention actually waste more battery life by using the processor to kill apps and free up ram that isnt using the processor in the first place.

With respect I think it is others are missing the point not I.
I merely suggested the poster speak to the developers ask them sensible questions and 9/10 you get sensible answers is that not sensible?
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It's pointless to use task killers. If you kill a task and it is needed to operate the phone it will just automatically restart, using a bit more battery to have to restart than it would when just left in memory.

I understand using one for an older OS but Google has made improvements in memory management for 2.0+ Android. Do your phone a favor and don't use apps that unnecessarily make your phone do more work.

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Not according to 4x4le and I quote

Using a task killer will help you accumulate errors over time by rapidly closing multiple running processes that your phone more than likely wants running. It will confuse your phone, rendering it a piece of junk in a matter of a few months not to mention actually waste more battery life by using the processor to kill apps and free up ram that isnt using the processor in the first place.

With respect I think it is others are missing the point not I.

I merely suggested the poster speak to the developers ask them sensible questions and 9/10 you get sensible answers is that not sensible?

After all who knows who you are speaking to on a forum! I could be an 80 year old having my first play with a computer, prompted by an eger 10 year old wizz kid couldn't I you would not know otherwise..

Most of the developers in the ap market place have their name above the door and a point of contact where you can go for assistance, so why not ask them is ALL I am saying.

Or is that poor advice?

In my early days with SUSE I very nearly followed a Forum Gurus advice that could have ruined a perfectly good installation, but I checked first and hey presto the Guru was 100% WRONG lucky I checked you simply do not know the credentials of forum posters, now where is my electric wheel chair!
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Seems to me there are a lot of people here who say one thing and a lot who say another all claiming to be correct!

Yet the developers write the applications you can install to close down unwanted applications ALL say they are safe and will NOT corrupt the OS!

why not do what I do and ask the developers? its NOT in their interests to write applications that will eventually destroy your OS and in my experience very few write such poor app's anyway.

Don't let peoples opinions scare you into making a rash decision, think about it logically and ask some people who write the stuff before comming to any decision, how do you know the person writing anything here has ever even seen an Android device?.

After all I claim I am an Android guru You do believe ME don't you?
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I have system panel. I only use it to monitor what's going on and pretty much never kill anything. It's nice that it can show history for CPU usage, memory usage, etc as well as dev info.
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Funny for who, the smarta55 kid or the person TRYING to be serious?

You just proved my point about not relying on the advice of those on forums!
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I re-installed Advanced Task Killer and it has done wonders to my battery life. I know people say it's not necessary anymore, but I feel like I really need it. I purchased OEM 1500 and it has gotten me through the day while utilizing the Task Killer.
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I re-installed Advanced Task Killer and it has done wonders to my battery life. I know people say it's not necessary anymore, but I feel like I really need it. I purchased OEM 1500 and it has gotten me through the day while utilizing the Task Killer.

Good for you mate, If your happy with it go for it, and if your concerned about the damage it can do to your system according to the self proclaimed experts here, go ask the developer
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Really interesting to see this thread and some of the responses. I installed Arvanced App Killer cuz I felt eird about having a bunch of apps running that I never actually started up. Looks like im going to go ahead and delete it. Consensus says its not needed, correct?
Not really need but if it makes you feel better systempanel is the way to go, shows cpu usage history

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+1 if it is an app you yourself just opened and you know its not something that android is starting up itself i say its fair game for killing.

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Good for you mate, If your happy with it go for it, and if your concerned about the damage it can do to your system according to the self proclaimed experts here, go ask the developer.
You just proved my point about not relying on the advice of those on forums!
Dont recall anyone proclaim themselves experts, just expressing opinions. Cause thats what these forums are i thought, i mean i'm no expert but i'm pretty sure thats the point of forums????? And really if the message your preaching is the above "dont rely on advice on forums" then why exactly did you go all thread necromancer with this and try to give advice. People who don't know any better shouldn't use them. End of story. Of course i'm no expert
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Not really need but if it makes you feel better systempanel is the way to go, shows cpu usage history


+1 if it is an app you yourself just opened and you know its not something that android is starting up itself i say its fair game for killing.


Dont recall anyone proclaim themselves experts, just expressing opinions. Cause thats what these forums are i thought, i mean i'm no expert but i'm pretty sure thats the point of forums????? And really if the message your preaching is the above "dont rely on advice on forums" then why exactly did you go all thread necromancer with this and try to give advice. People who don't know any better shouldn't use them. End of story. Of course i'm no expert
"necromancer" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh please I have really hit a nerve here haven't I

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"necromancer" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh please I have really hit a nerve here haven't I

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O i read quite well, i proclaim myself an expert in that particular area, thanks for the advice though.
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Oh dear, I think a few in here need to cut down on their refined sugars and artificial additives before posting. Don't take things so personal people... let's keep the discussion respectful and good-tempered.

@Nitro Fan: there's a world of difference between "accumulated errors" that "confuse your phone" (from 4x4le's post) and "OS corruption" (your words). The OS automatically kills tasks depending on (a) the current free memory available and (b) the state of the tasks. Frequently killing 'random' tasks manually with an app can confuse this process and lead to less efficient memory management. Under normal circumstances the OS should make memory available as and when it requires it; unlike certain PC operating systems there's little advantage having memory "free" doing nothing on an Android device.

Btw, the "necromancer" gag has been going around since I was using 14.4k BBS systems.... got tagged with it myself a few times so it's definitely not a bad thing.
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aggreed.. dont do it. its trickery. Almost bricked my phone. Task killers beat up your phone and fukkkk up its organs. task killer installed for 2 days. stopped making outgoing calls in great service areas. showed full bars. wont even ring. restore fixed me. I WILL NEVER USE THIS GARBAGE again. I used to laugh when people talked about thier task killers.. now i really laugh
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