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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default So I may have solved my battery drain issue...

Having tried everything listed in the 20+ topics on the subject (Screebl, Brightness, JuiceDefender, etc, etc) and still dealing with pretty awful battery life I was desperatly looking for something to help me make it though the day...

I was poking around in settings when I found a setting that seems to have really helped a lot.

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Menu > Settings > Wireless & Networks > Mobile Networks (second one) > Enable Always-On -- checked by default, I unchecked it.

It says in its description that it may cause battery drain 'on certain' networks.

Gentleman, I think by certain, they mean CDMA.

I lost the first 15% of my battery (100% down yes 85%) this morning with the phone sitting asleep while I showered and got dressed to go to work. About an hour, I didn't touch it.

Tonight, I took it off the charger at 6:00 -- with fairly moderate use, few calls, 25+ texts, 5-10 emails and a bit of browsing, it was down to 85% at 8:36.

JuicePlotter backs up my suspicion.

If you decide to try it, post up what change you notice; I hope it helps you guys as much as it has me.

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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The thing is if you are using a battery widget it will say the battery is at 100% when in fact its not. The last 10% takes 2-3 times as long as charging the first 90%, its well documented. This is why it jumps down so quickly to under 90% because when it was reading 100% it was in fact at 90%. What you did might have helped some, but not by as much as you think it might have.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm not relying on the battery widget in the notification shade.
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Any battery reporting app will give you the same readings, its not actually gathering the data on its own, its tapping into system resources to get the reading in the first place.
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Ok problem is: dont your apps need that on to sync properly?
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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They connect when data is needed, rather than sitting on while idle.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I've been trying to figure out what "mobile networks" is myself. There's a widget you can add to toggle it on/off, but I don't understand it.
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I'm giving this a shot. I just looked in the settings on my "old" moto droid and this particular setting is not an option. Must be a setting specific to HTC devices (or maybe it's hidden on the droid)
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Does this stop you from getting push notifications or anything like that?
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Pretty sure turning this off will make you have to manually refresh everything such as weather, facebook, twitter and what not
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No, when an application requests data, the phone connects, sends/receives the requested information then logs off.
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No, when an application requests data, the phone connects, sends/receives the requested information then logs off.
That doesn't answer if 3rd party servers can contact your phone since only your phone can request the data.
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I can confirm that it does not affect gmail...I've received 5 messages since turning the setting off.
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nevermind, already addressed
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Doesn't gmail use push? If so, my above post stands.
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Can someone explain to me the difference between the always on mobile data, and the background data option under "general sync settings". There's also a "auto-sync" option.
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I wonder if disabling Always-On will prevent the battery-killing issue people are seeing where the phone constantly switches from 3G to 1x.
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The "always-on mobile network" setting - battery tip

Seems to be a setting that doesnt effect any updating of apps like facebook, weather, etc and allows all vmail, email, txt and calls to come in np.

Someone in that thread said they talked to a very knowledgeable CSR that said the setting is only for access to non-verizon towers that Verizon contracts the use of. I dunno really, i cant find any definitive answer on this from HTC or Android but it appears to be an HTC setting.

From all accounts it saves battery life and doesnt effect application..


so..i'm in.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Interesting find. I'll give it a shot as well
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Still really noticing a difference.
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I to notice no performance change but seems better on battery
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im not having a real battery drain issue but i turned it off and am gonna test it for a few days.

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I will have to keep an eye on this thread.
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Still really noticing a difference.
Great find man. I've been playing with my phone constantly all day so saying I get bad batter life (around 8 hrs a charge) is kind of a moot point, but this might help anyway!

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We should all report back tomorrow!
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We should all report back tomorrow!
Indeed. I have my phone off already and charging for the night. Will look at this thread over the next few days. If it seems to help, I will turn it off on my phone as well.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 12:26 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Someone in that thread said they talked to a very knowledgeable CSR,
I thought they were extinct.
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not trying to be rude, but i am assuming a lot of users here aren't used to smart phones? the first thing i did when i got this phone was find the data off switch. having data constantly run is useless. the os should be able to pull data when it needs it, not constantly leave it on. i am glad you all found this though. i can guarantee it will improve battery life. i'd also recommend a task manager (like advanced task killer). i thought you weren't supposed to have one with android, but it really does help. i installed it only to find about 130mb of ram being hogged when i was doing absolutely nothing on the phone. android is supposedly to kill tasks on its own, but all of em had been running throughout the night, so much for that theory (unless i missed some setting...i am new to android as well)

anywho, yes, disabling constant data connection will greatly increase batt life, and adding a task killer to free up ram will help as well
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You should read up on how the Android architecture differs from what you're used to using. Programs running in the memory aren't the issue. Do a little research.
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Read the eris thread somebody linked too it pretty much answered ny question you may have
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You should read up on how the Android architecture differs from what you're used to using. Programs running in the memory aren't the issue. Do a little research.
yeah there not i'm actually surprised how little the apps i left open are running they go into a standby mode were they barely use any resources and the only reason i know this is because of a task manager
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You should read up on how the Android architecture differs from what you're used to using. Programs running in the memory aren't the issue. Do a little research.
That depends on the app. Any app that syncs data should be killed or removed unless you want it to sync. The syncing that happens even while the phone is asleep drains battery.
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Sweet, I am trying this as well. Will report back like the rest of the troops! :P
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That depends on the app. Any app that syncs data should be killed or removed unless you want it to sync. The syncing that happens even while the phone is asleep drains battery.
Which would make the sync requests the issue... not the fact that they're occupying memory.
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I'm going to try this out too even though I don't have any major complaints about battery.

If anyone noticed any lack of data updates, etc, please report them.
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I have been having terrible battery life. I'm going to give this a shot will report back tomorrow.
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hm... maybe thats why i had upward to 3 gigs of logged data on verizonwireless.com

was hardly even using the data... nice find op.
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The setting was there on Eris as well. But in my case, my battery is pretty good. I have location off, this setting disabled and I got 15+ hours battery. I am happy, although will still buy the extended...The issue is not poor battery life, but that 1300 mah is not enough for this powerful of a phone.
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Great find.

I did what the OP suggested, but unfortunately for me, this did not help my battery drain. I think the 1300 is just too small of a battery for this thing. I have turned alot of stuff off, and I feel that now I just have a Storm in a new cover.

I will HAVE to get the 2150. I don't want a Storm in a shiny new cover. I want a phone that I can do all of the things I want it to do (with still being responsible with all of the bells and whitsles) without having to shut everything down so the battery will last!

Then again, I might have a defective battery. This thing drains fast and charges fast. I have done all of the other things in all of the other threads to try and squeeze life out of it. It's draining 50%-70% overnight...
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so this on another thread will this work with saving battery life. What does it do exactly.

Menu > Settings > Wireless & Networks > Mobile Networks (second one) > Enable Always-On -- checked by default, I unchecked it.
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i just unchecked it....does anyone know if this interferes with google voice sms notifications? im willing to bet it doesnt just from reading the posts in this thread. we'll see.
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i just unchecked it....does anyone know if this interferes with google voice sms notifications? im willing to bet it doesnt just from reading the posts in this thread. we'll see.
Gimme a GVoice invite and I'll let you know. =P
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Just turned mine off also, Really hope this works like everyone is saying since the battery dies every 6 hours for me
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so this on another thread will this work with saving battery life. What does it do exactly.

Menu > Settings > Wireless & Networks > Mobile Networks (second one) > Enable Always-On -- checked by default, I unchecked it.
Ummm, this was in the first post of this thread. That's what this thread is about!
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Default Re: So I may have solved my battery drain issue...

I don't understand the reasoning behind putting a smaller battery in the INC than the one in the N1. I'm pretty sure SenseUI is a bigger battery drain than stock Android
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I too have had terrible battery life, dies by 5pm when 100% at around 7am. Moderate usage. Giving this a try today!
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I don't understand the reasoning behind putting a smaller battery in the INC than the one in the N1. I'm pretty sure SenseUI is a bigger battery drain than stock Android
More MONEY for Verizon.
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Did this last night. I have not noticed any significant improvement.
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