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Old December 27th, 2012, 12:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question "Stock-like" Android (JB+) ROM for unlocked i9300

Hi all,

I've been looking into rooting and flashing my i9300 for a while now. I've basically tried to revert TouchWiz back to stock Android by installing mods from the official Play Store, but it doesn't quite cut it.

I just want Android. I don't want what Samsung thinks Android should be.

I've read the sticky here, but all of the listed ROMs are TouchWiz. Is there any way to get an Android "stock-like" ROM on my S3? Preferably a stable version, JellyBean 4.1.1 or above.

From what I've read, I need a modem, kernel and ROM - is this correct?

In an ideal world, my S3 would look like an over-sized Nexus. I don't care for multi-screen (who does that on a phone?), or "slide to phone". I know I'm somewhat belittling TouchWiz, but it really does seem unnecessary to me personally.

Thanks in advance for any advice. I've posted this here rather than at XDA to prevent any nerds getting their e-peen out for my simple questions.

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Have a 'Google' for ASOP based ROMs.

www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-jelly-bean-aosp-available-international-gt-i9300-version-104689/
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Hey

If you want vanilla android, your best bet is Cyanogenmod or another AOSP ROM, such as Slim bean, which come in Android version 4.1.2 [Jelly Bean] and 4.2.1 [Jelly Bean MR1]. These ROMs are very similar to the one you would find on a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 4, but with lots of added features.

Cyanogenmod is currently on version 10.1, which is Android version 4.2.1. You can find download links here - CyanogenMod Downloads. I haven't tried 10.1 yet, but I must say CM10 was extremely buggy and there were a lot of things broken, and there can only be more bugs in 10.1.

I've heard Slim bean is quite good, but again it will have a lot of bugs too, as the developers do not have the proper sources to make certain things work (such as the hardware composer and the camera.)

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Mostly you need the ROM, as it will contain a modem and a kernel with it, however you can flash different ones if you would prefer. Siyah kernel is a very good one, but will only work on CM10 (please be careful if you decide to flash another kernel and check if it's compatible with your ROM )

On my HTC Desire HD, I couldn't wait to get vanilla android on it because I didn't like Sense at all, but with my S3 I think they have done a great job on Touchwiz, and a lot of things they have added have been useful to me. But I can understand why people want AOSP
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Thanks for the detailed reply.

I have heard a lot about "CM", a friend of mine has used it several times before on an older Samsung device - but he also mentioned bugs, or strange "things you have to do on each boot" which put me off.

With what you've said, would you recommend holding off for now until they stabilise a version? Is there any stable AOSP ROM on 4.1+?

Much appreciated.

Edit: After further research, it seems flashing these custom ROMs gives more problems than benefits. Every one I've come across has numerous posts with "accepted bugs". I'd rather have a working phone than some sketchy ROM built by a teenager! Nevermind, TouchWiz it is

You've got to really hate TouchWiz to put up with a custom ROM, surely?!
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Touchwiz custom roms are great. If you don't like the launcher (touchwiz home) just use apex or nova (vanilla style launchers on play).

Aosp/aokp/cm lose so many features it seems pointless to me
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Touchwiz custom roms are great. If you don't like the launcher (touchwiz home) just use apex or nova (vanilla style launchers on play).

Aosp/aokp/cm lose so many features it seems pointless to me
It's the whole feel of TouchWiz though - not just the home launcher. I'm already using Nova Launcher Prime - which is great, as a launcher.

The TW lock screen, for example, looks like something a child would make. The notification bar is perfect as it comes from Google, why did Samsung feel the need to change it? The gallery looks like a "my first website", and the bloatware...well. They're a few from the top of my head.

TouchWiz is unprofessional, especially aesthetically. That's my personal opinion, at least. Things like "double-tap to top" don't even work anyway so I'm not fussed about losing the buggy features bundled with TW.

I've been looking at SuperNexus Build 5 - anyone have any experience with this? Looks pretty sound - my only concern being that he claims to be 16 years old. Not sure if that's a nerd joke or not.

Edit: You're a very knowledgeable guy - any chance you could give a rough overview on how to apply one of these custom ROMs?

As I understand it, I need to root (somehow!), install CWM (somehow!), copy a zipped ROM over to the phone, along with a Google apps .zip, use CWM to install both. Sound about right? Any advice for the actual rooting step?
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Are there any roms with multiscreen yet?
Im runnin the stock unbranded 4.1.2 and its nice.
Just wish multi screen had more apps.....
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It's the whole feel of TouchWiz though - not just the home launcher. I'm already using Nova Launcher Prime - which is great, as a launcher.

The TW lock screen, for example, looks like something a child would make. The notification bar is perfect as it comes from Google, why did Samsung feel the need to change it? The gallery looks like a "my first website", and the bloatware...well. They're a few from the top of my head.

TouchWiz is unprofessional, especially aesthetically. That's my personal opinion, at least. Things like "double-tap to top" don't even work anyway so I'm not fussed about losing the buggy features bundled with TW.

I've been looking at SuperNexus Build 5 - anyone have any experience with this? Looks pretty sound - my only concern being that he claims to be 16 years old. Not sure if that's a nerd joke or not.

Edit: You're a very knowledgeable guy - any chance you could give a rough overview on how to apply one of these custom ROMs?

As I understand it, I need to root (somehow!), install CWM (somehow!), copy a zipped ROM over to the phone, along with a Google apps .zip, use CWM to install both. Sound about right? Any advice for the actual rooting step?
First thing first, let's get you rooted. We'll worry about the custom roms when you're done. Follow this guide and you should be fine. Just take your time and ask any questions you need
S3 Root Guide, guide for returning to stock + video [UPDATE: new, easier, single flash method]

If the look of touchwiz is your main gripe you'll be able to flash a stock android look theme onto whatever Rom you choose.
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I too don't like the touchwiz look. I replace the lockscreen and theme it to look like vanilla android. I use a toggles mod too.

I do like smart stay, blocking mode, swipe screenshot and multi window (with the all apps mod). These are the features I like with touchwiz. Then I also add S note which requires touchwiz too.

Aosp just doesn't cut it for me, even though its much better looking
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Are there any roms with multiscreen yet?
Im runnin the stock unbranded 4.1.2 and its nice.
Just wish multi screen had more apps.....
You have to flash a mod with cwm to get multi window working with every app.
If your firmware is ll4 go for v5, if it's ll5 go for v4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995697
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First thing first, let's get you rooted. We'll worry about the custom roms when you're done. Follow this guide and you should be fine. Just take your time and ask any questions you need
S3 Root Guide, guide for returning to stock + video [UPDATE: new, easier, single flash method]

If the look of touchwiz is your main gripe you'll be able to flash a stock android look theme onto whatever Rom you choose.
Thanks buddy. Rooting is the part that voids the warranty, right?
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You have to flash a mod with cwm to get multi window working with every app.
If your firmware is ll4 go for v5, if it's ll5 go for v4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995697
Edit: it appears the jb versions are only for deodexed so they won't work on stock firmware so you'll have to flash a custom Rom first.
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Thanks buddy. Rooting is the part that voids the warranty, right?
Yeah rooting and running custom roms will void your warranty
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Yeah rooting and running custom roms will void your warranty
In that case I'd like to know what I'm rooting for before I go ahead with it! I'm looking for a stable AOSP ROM - no frills, just Android as it should be.
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Honestly I'm not the best guy to ask about aosp. I'm with SU, I like the TW features so I've only ever run stock based roms with jb domination theme to make it look like pure android and jkay mod to add a bit more functionality
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Yeah rooting and running custom roms will void your warranty

Yes indeed.

However a couple of tips....

1. User triangle away to reset the custom binary counter. If this reports more than 0, then warranty is void. It shows a red exclamation mark on the boot animation, so ensure this app clears that away.

2. If it still boots but you have to return it for warranty, flash a stock ROM back first.

3. If it doesn't boot, as long as you do 1., you're ok.


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Honestly I'm not the best guy to ask about aosp. I'm with SU, I like the TW features so I've only ever run stock based roms with jb domination theme to make it look like pure android.
Being an (ex) AOSP developer, all I can say is yes, AOKP and CM are based on AOSP but the features that both teams add still take the ROM far away from the Pure android experience. They just look more "Vanilla".

They miss all touchwiz features but add some of their own. If I really wanted AOSP on my S3 (If I didn't have the skills to compile my own ROM) I would use CM or AOKP.
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Yes indeed.

However a couple of tips....

1. User triangle away to reset the custom binary counter. If this reports more than 0, then warranty is void. It shows a red exclamation mark on the boot animation, so ensure this app clears that away.

2. If it still boots but you have to return it for warranty, flash a stock ROM back first.

3. If it doesn't boot, as long as you do 1., you're ok.




Being an (ex) AOSP developer, all I can say is yes, AOKP and CM are based on AOSP but the features that both teams add still take the ROM far away from the Pure android experience. They just look more "Vanilla".

They miss all touchwiz features but add some of their own. If I really wanted AOSP on my S3 (If I didn't have the skills to compile my own ROM) I would use CM or AOKP.
I appreciate that, but the closer to AOSP, the better - at least that's my opinion for now. I'd like to try one, but don't want to bother if it's a half-working piece of software. Absolutely no disrespect to the developers of these ROMs, I realise it's a mammoth task to get one running - but I'm not enough of a geek to put up with any major technical quirks. I can handle no NFC, and other smaller (generally unused) features.

SuperNexus looks very positive, but I'm new to this so suggestions for other popular ROM (or dev teams) would be appreciated.

Edit: I can't help but notice the possibility that the phone could become completely bricked. I'm used to dealing with Jailbreaking iOS devices where bricking is impossible. Is there much risk? I'm reasonably techie, so shouldn't make any completely ridiculous mistakes...
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If you like the looks go for it. If it isn't for you, you can always go back to stock. I remember a few people using his Rom on the gs2 and there were no complaints. I wouldn't be put off by his age, the days we live in kids have been brought up with technology. My 3 year old nephew can use my gs3 better than my mum
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There is always the chance of a complete brick when flashing but as long as you follow the instructions it is quite small. Samsung devices are quite hard to completely screw up, I've seen cases of gs2 roms being flashed onto gs3's and it was easily fixed by flashing a compatible Rom. The majority of fully bricked gs3's I've seen have been down to motherboard failure which wasn't due to flashing. As long as you make a nandroid backup, efs backup and app backup straight after rooting, you have all your bases covered should any problems arise.
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A nandroid is basically a backup of your entire phone. To do this you need to be rooted. Boot your phone into recovery mode (volume up, power and home, while your phone's off) and select backup and restore and then backup to internal or external sd. So say you flashed a Rom and got stuck in a bootloop you can boot into recovery mode and restore and it will put your phone back to where it was when the backup was made.

The efs folder is important to backup as it contains your imei info. Samsung devices have been known to wipe this folder on rare occasions when flashing so it's important you do. It's happened to me once after hundreds of flashes. It's easy to backup. Just use the backup efs option in this app
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Thanks for the reply, I'll make sure I do all of that.

Now I just need to find a working AOSP style ROM. AOKP sounds a bit sketchy with regards to WiFi, which is a shame because it looks pretty good. Might give SuperNexus a go.

SU, you said you'd go for AOKP in my situation?

Edit: I'd need i9300 from this list, correct? I'm using an unlocked GT-I9300 (UK).
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Wait? Its not that Faryaab kid is it? I avoid his work on principle.

@ Andy, I'd be trying cm first. Then I'd try aokp. Possibly not 4.2 versions yet though. 4.1.x
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@ Andy, I'd be trying cm first. Then I'd try aokp. Possibly not 4.2 versions yet though. 4.1.x
Yeah that's the kid. It just seems a bit too good to be true.

CM 10.1 first? It says it's in "nightly" whereas AOKP says milestone. As I understand it, milestone is more stable.

Any chance of a link to the most official place to get each from? I'm using a GT-I9300, unlocked. I'm assuming AOKP would be I9300 from here, but CM doesn't say the I9300 is supported (in this list).
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1685

Xda has different sections as here.

All AOSP based roms are in the i9300 section, then in the original android development section....
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Xda has different sections as here.

All AOSP based roms are in the i9300 section, then in the original android development section....
Yep, found that, just wasn't sure if they had a more official website or anything.

You'd recommend CM nightlies over AOKP milestones?
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I'd always trust cm more than aokp because I'm more familiar with it. More pedigree. I haven't used it on this device so.I can't comment on bugs etc. There must be a cm 10.0 stable somewhere though surely?

Edit: guess not
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I'd always trust cm more than aokp because I'm more familiar with it. More pedigree. I haven't used it on this device so.I can't comment on bugs etc. There must be a cm 10.0 stable somewhere though surely?

Edit: guess not
Bummer.

In your opinion, which would be the best of these:
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My conscience precludes me from pointing people towards anything created by faryaab on any device, so lets just pretend you didn't ask about that one

Seriously though, I'd try them all because "best" is subjective. Don't think you'll be able to get the right rom without trying them all, because you won't.

My advice is try them all. Whats right for me ain't right for you neccessarily.

My hope would be slim only has the most useful cm / aokp features and remains true to its name but whether that's the case or not remains to be seen.
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My conscience precludes me from pointing people towards anything created by faryaab on any device, so lets just pretend you didn't ask about that one

Seriously though, I'd try them all because "best" is subjective. Don't think you'll be able to get the right rom without trying them all, because you won't.

My advice is try them all. Whats right for me ain't right for you neccessarily.

My hope would be slim only has the most useful cm / aokp features and remains true to its name but whether that's the case or not remains to be seen.
Yep, understand that "best" is subjective. I read over at XDA that they hate people asking for the best ROM.

I meant which would be the better one for me to try first, as a first time custom ROM user - given that I want a AOSP feel? Which would you expect to be most stable/reliable? You'll be better at picking things out of the feature lists than me!

I'm tempted to give AOKP a chance, I just don't particularly want to end up screwing my phone over by making the wrong choice.
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Id start with slim personally. You can't mess it up. You can always change roms.

Before you get into all this though, we need to go through backups etc. I haven't time to to that now though...

...because you will need to factory reset before flashing.

I should maybe create a thread with my backup strategy to point people to...
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Does what Shotgun said roughly reflect everything I need to backup? I'm not going to do this tonight, I'll think about it tomorrow. I'll have a look at AOKP and SlimBean.

Edit: I might add, I won't be backing up applications. I'm more than happy to start from scratch. Keeping SMS messages would be a bonus, but not vital.
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Use sms backup+ to back sms up to a gmail label

Then just backup via recovery...
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Yes

Titanium can backup messages as well but it can be sketchy with those, there are msn backup apps in the play store but I can't recommend a good one as I've never been too worried about them myself.
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Will do.

Quick question before I start - I'm a little confused about how to get CWM on my device? Do I use Odin with CF Auto Root?

Edit: might stick with titanium then since I'm buying it anyway. As I said, I don't really care if the messages are lost.
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Cf auto root will only give you root access/superuser, you will need to flash a custom recovery after. I'd use the cf root kernel instead which will give you root access and recovery in one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27049380&postcount=3

Titanium never seems to restore the messages if you restore the message app and data but if you open titanium and press menu, restore data from xml it should do the job.
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I've grabbed CF-Root 6.4 from that page, and double checked the post was in the correct forum for the i9300. No md5 to check against my download, so I'll just put my hands together and hope!

So, does this process look about right:

1. Install Odin
2. Turn phone off
3. Open Odin, choose my CF-Root .tar file as the PDA and leave every other setting alone
4. Put phone into download mode
5. Connect phone, wait for "yellow square" on Odin
6. Ensure "repartition" is not, definitely not, checked
7. Click start and eventually I should have CWM and be rooted...

Then I'm unsure of the exact order for flashing custom ROMs:

- Put zipped (.tar, or .zip) ROM onto internal SD card root
- Enter CWM recovery somehow?
- Delete all data?
- Clear cache & something else?
- Choose to flash from zip within CWM
- Wait for CWM to finish that off

I think those are the steps, I'm just unsure as to what order, since surely deleting all data will get rid of my custom ROM zip?

Thanks for the help, much appreciated.
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First step is to install Kies and connect your phone to the computer to make sure all necessary driver are installed. Odin isnt an installer but simply a program which runs so put your phone into download mode and connect it to your computer and wait for the driver to finish to initialize and then open Odin.
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First step is to install Kies and connect your phone to the computer to make sure all necessary driver are installed. Odin isnt an installer but simply a program which runs so put your phone into download mode and connect it to your computer and wait for the driver to finish to initialize and then open Odin.
Thanks for the reply. I've got Kies installed, how do I know when the driver has initialised? I'm a Mac user...Windows' awkward ways baffle me! Wait for the "what do you want to do" dialogue? Open files in Explorer, etc...
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When you press the button in Odin, if it doesn't work as per the screen shots in the root guide, the drivers aren't working.

Do follow the guide step by step. Forget roms for now. Piece work.

Read the guide top to botyom twice or thrice and absorb it. Then you'll know what to expect when you follow it through. You shouldn't have any questions doing it this way as everything is outlined in that thread
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Right, I've gone through that guide and am confident with getting root access with CWM installed.

Still, before I bother voiding my warranty on a 500 device, I want to have a reason for doing so. Rooting for the sake of having root access isn't enough for me.

I've spent a couple of hours looking for the ROMs/custom pieces I'd want, and came across this YouTube video. If I could copy and paste his software, I would. However, he's using CM which means it's a nightly build. Nightly builds have the potential to brick a device, according to AOKP devs - so I'm a little nervous about that.

Basically, I'm looking for recommendations for the following:
  • AOSP based ROM 4.1+ - stable-ish (I can handle a few crashes, not bricking!)
  • The appropriate Google apps for said ROM
  • 4.2 camera + gallery files (and how to install - do I just flash from zip in CWM?)

Apologies for all the questions, I genuinely am trying to find this all myself, but forums are horrible places to make releases. When you're new to the forums, it's hard to tell which is the latest topic.

Edit: Unless he's using the SuperNexus ROM...in that case I'm even more tempted by that again.
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Still, before I bother voiding my warranty on a 500 device, I want to have a reason for doing so. Rooting for the sake of having root access isn't enough for me.
Warranty can be "un-voided"

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Nightly builds have the potential to brick a device, according to AOKP devs - so I'm a little nervous about that.
You can't brick a device with a ROM. Even flashing a ROM from another device is recoverable. This is an exaggeration... From the competition.

Flashing Radios, Recoveries and bootloaders from other devices are where potential bricks come in. A ROM simply inhabits the /system partition, which can be formatted and reflashed from recovery.

You know you want a ROM so you're not rooting for nothing. Just because you don't know which one yet doesn't mean you're wasting your time.
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You know you want a ROM so you're not rooting for nothing. Just because you don't know which one yet doesn't mean you're wasting your time.
This is true. I know you're against this particular 16 year old boy due to his history, but of the current AOSP ROMs, his "SuperNexus" is looking pretty reliable. He clearly states, and others too, that it is just a stable version of CM - so he's not "stealing" as such.

Only thing is, a number of people are suggesting the use of Siyah kernel over CM kernel due to fewer bugs. What would be the process (post root) of me flashing SuperNexus, for example, but using Siyah kernel. I have a very rough understanding of a kernel within a computer, I assume it's the same on these devices now. Does this begin to increase brick-risk?!

Another question, regarding the installation of 4.2 Google apps - is this a standard zip across ROMs or do I need a specific zip? I really do like the gallery app from 4.2, I'm not too fussed about the rest, but they would be nice. I flash my chosen ROM, then immediately flash Google apps, as I understand it - correct?

Finally, it's recommended to do a "full data wipe" before flashing a ROM. In my head, that means pretty much everything but CWM is going to get deleted. Install guides tell you to put the ROM/GApps zip files onto the internal SD card, then wipe. How do they survive the wipe? Does the wipe only effect certain root folders, /system for example?
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Flashing a kernel is the same as flashing a rom. You put the rom zip and the kernel zip on sdcard. I personally always use the external sd but thats me.

Traditionally, a wipe (factory reset) wipes the /data partition (and /cache) only. This is where your apps, settings and data is stored. It doesn't touch any required parts such as ROM, radio, kernel, recovery, boot, dpownload mode etc.

On the s3, the FUSER file system places /data and /sdcard in the same space so a wipe via android wipes both. However, you never use this method once rooted. Wipes are done via recovery now and /sdcard is no longer wiped.

As for GAPPS, if you're on a 4.1.2 ROM, flash 4.1.2 GAPPS. Theres no difference between the one in the CM threads and the one in others.

One step at a time. Theres will be mods for 4.2 stuff, but baby steps please. Root first. Then ROM. THEN mods.

In regards to the developer, his stuff is more his than ever. My (presently muted) views of immoral conduct are based on evidence witnessed on older "works". Until I have ascertained which AF rule I have broken that brought about the censorship, I wont discuss that any further in the open.
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I'm just somewhat uncomfortable with the fact he's 16. I'm not sure why - George Hotz was 16 too when he unlocked the iPhone.

It appears that all of the AOSP ROMs have camera problems right now. CM looks to be the most buggy of all of them, but it is 4.2.

I really don't know which to go for, I realise I can just keep flashing them - but I'd rather keep it to one or two, or just not bother with the whole thing if it's just a mess. I saw a video earlier for CM 10.1 that said "you no longer have to reboot your phone to hang up, which is nice". Seriously?! That's a "nice to have"!
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Having not tried any of them, I've can't really help on that score. It is usually the camera that is the hardest to get working on AOSP ROMS. That and hardware acceleration.

It still could be that its just not worth it for you. Paranoid Android looks good too. Thats a hybrid ROM.
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My 2 cents - Supernexus is a couple of months old, and is missing a lot of stuff that has been patched by other roms. They are all very buggy but I would personally go with a more up to date rom.
The last time I used it it was ok, so by all means give it a go - you can always choose another one if you don't like it.
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My 2 cents - Supernexus is a couple of months old, and is missing a lot of stuff that has been patched by other roms. They are all very buggy but I would personally go with a more up to date rom.
The last time I used it it was ok, so by all means give it a go - you can always choose another one if you don't like it.

Have you any AOSP recommendations?
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Think I might be missing the point of custom ROMs if they're all buggy! What is the point in TouchWiz variants?
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