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Old February 8th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've just received my extended battery that I ordered from eBay for about $8. Its a replacement extended battery with 3500 mah. It came with 35% bat life. That's a good sign b cause ur supposed to store lithium ion batteries at or near 40%. Let's see how this goes y'all. I'm hella excited yee!

Edit: Is it safe to charge it with a external wall charger?
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It is safe but expect your battery to be not calibrated. I have 2600mah one and only after a few months it's starting to read percentage correctly.
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That battery is great. I actually have mine in my pocket ATM. I keep two on me if I'm out and about most times.
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sweet, hey who is the manufacturer of that?
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sweet, hey who is the manufacturer of that?
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How does it feel in your hands?
Bulky? Or comfy
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How does it feel in your hands?
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Pretty comfy I actually like how it feels. It feels pretty solid in your hand
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Has anyone tried using the LG Spirit's 2150 mAh battery on the Motion? If so, does it require a new battery cover or does it fit with the existing one?
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I don't like adding bulk to my phone, so I got this at CVS.
Factory SEALED Soundlogic XT Portable 5600 mAh Power Cell | eBay

They sell for $25 at CVS, but I used Extra Bucks and got mine free. Made up for that bunk-ass battery I bought a few months ago.

This really is all that, and a bag of pork rinds.

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Has anyone tried using the LG Spirit's 2150 mAh battery on the Motion? If so, does it require a new battery cover or does it fit with the existing one?
motion battery is on the right.
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I got mine from e-bay for 12.95. Its a 3600ma and I use the app battery calibration. The stock battery was just not working as well as I thought it would in fact the battery for the Admire was giving better life than the Motions stock one.

And yeah it makes your phone a little bulky but you get used to it in a day. I went with e-bay because I had money on a paypal account from winning a fantasy football league, I'm sure I could have gotten a better deal if I had took my time to look around but I wanted to get it right away so I spent the money. I'm waiting to swee how well the Calibration app works on the Motion, I had it on my Admire and it worked great.
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I got mine from e-bay for 12.95. Its a 3600ma and I use the app battery calibration. The stock battery was just not working as well as I thought it would in fact the battery for the Admire was giving better life than the Motions stock one.

And yeah it makes your phone a little bulky but you get used to it in a day. I went with e-bay because I had money on a paypal account from winning a fantasy football league, I'm sure I could have gotten a better deal if I had took my time to look around but I wanted to get it right away so I spent the money. I'm waiting to swee how well the Calibration app works on the Motion, I had it on my Admire and it worked great.
Fwiw, battery calibration is a myth...
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I trust your judgement on the battery calibration thing, but is there any app that will help to improve the battery usage on this phone. I wasn't happy with how quickly the juice ran out with the stock battery which is why I bought the extended one, still it went down 10% in record time and all I was doing was trying out differant launchers and set ups.

I am running the e version, I just bought this phone this week. Still it came with the 1500 dual core set up. What would be the best settings for me using SetCPU?
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I would recommend downgrading to Version C, then set a Minimum clock of 320Mhz and Maximum clock of 1512Mhz (1.5Ghz) using the ondemand or powersaver Governator. Juice Defender set on Aggressive along with no auto sync, low brightness, low screen shut off delay, and common sense can give you 24+ Hours.
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I have the same battery. Started a thread about it a couple months ago...
If I run this battery down to the point that the phone shuts off, and turn the phone back on than I still have 35% battery life (if I had charged it long enough the night before).

This is kind of annoying.

MotoTriumphant, have you experienced this as well?
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The battery for the Connect is almost the same. One of the notches on top is not wide enough. Think anything would go wrong if I trimmed the plastic (1/8 inch) to make it fit?

I'm gonna be getting one of these soon. I do the same as Tokenpoke, carry a spare when I'm out of the house for a while.
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If I was gonna put that 3 lb bag a sugar on the back of my Motion, I'd just hook me up a car battery and tow it behind me in my little red wagon.



The stock Motie battery is just fine.

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The battery for the Connect is almost the same. One of the notches on top is not wide enough. Think anything would go wrong if I trimmed the plastic (1/8 inch) to make it fit?

I'm gonna be getting one of these soon. I do the same as Tokenpoke, carry a spare when I'm out of the house for a while.
I was going to use the connect battery too but then realized it had a voltage difference. It may not matter much but I don't want any wonky issues so I decided against it.
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I have the same battery. Started a thread about it a couple months ago...
If I run this battery down to the point that the phone shuts off, and turn the phone back on than I still have 35% battery life (if I had charged it long enough the night before).

This is kind of annoying.

MotoTriumphant, have you experienced this as well?
It takes longer in my experience when you charge the phone when its off. Also when I restart my phone it doesn't show the same percent as of when it was on because its not yet calibrated. I never let my battery fully die. As long as I hit 100% im good cause that's when it resets. I charge when I'm around 20%. This is my third day with it and it's still not calibrated. Ill show results once it is
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Does it take you longer to get to 20% than with the stock battery?
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Does it take you longer to get to 20% than with the stock battery?
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I don't like adding bulk to my phone, so I got this at CVS.
Factory SEALED Soundlogic XT Portable 5600 mAh Power Cell | eBay

They sell for $25 at CVS, but I used Extra Bucks and got mine free. Made up for that bunk-ass battery I bought a few months ago.

This really is all that, and a bag of pork rinds.

Will charge the Motion when flat dead twice over.
O.o I like it. I'm going to pick one up tomorrow.
Don't really have much use for it, as I'm always plugged in my car or truck or where ever, but I AM a tech junkie and that is prime pickins for my gear bag.
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Fwiw, battery calibration is a myth...
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Still dunno if its calibrated or not
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It calibrating an Android phone's battery really is a myth.... A battery is a just battery. Would you try and calibrate a AA or D battery? No. Why? Because you just can't. The battery doesn't have software in it, so there is no way to calibrate it...
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It calibrating an Android phone's battery really is a myth.... A battery is a just battery. Would you try and calibrate a AA or D battery? No. Why? Because you just can't. The battery doesn't have software in it, so there is no way to calibrate it...
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding here: Obviously the 'battery itself' can't be calibrated. Even with the advanced circuitry to prevent overloads, a Li-on battery is still just a battery.

What can be calibrated, however, is the device that uses the battery. If that device, say a smartphone, has a mechanism for estimating battery run time, it stands to reason that at some point, that mechanism was calibrated. In previous Android phones that I have had, if you swapped out a battery for an extended battery, or vice versa, it took the phone one or 2 times of complete battery cycling before the phone 'adjusted' its battery meter to the new run time.
I am not an Electrical Engineer, nor am I even an Android developer, however, it didn't take a rocket surgeon or a brain scientist to figure out you had to 'let the phone know' that this battery behaved differently than the previous battery. If I were to guess, and that is all this is, a guess, the mechanism the phone uses to 'calibrate itself' rooted or not, is by checking the voltage of the battery. If the voltage drops too far, the battery is considered 'discharged'. Since voltage is a measurement of electric potential, if the voltage drops below a certain potential, the phone decides it is time to shut off, before permanently damaging the battery.
Li-on batteries don't experience 'memory effect' but they do wear out, and if you completely discharge them, they will never hold a charge again.
Circuitry within the battery and within the phone is designed to compensate for this, but it can only go so far.
It is also my guess, that the LG Motion 4G, for whatever reason, has a hard-calibration that is not dependent on the actual voltage potential of a given battery. OR the phone is incapable or perceiving when the voltage potential is above a certain plateau, and therefore has an upper limit on calibration. Either way, when I swap batteries, depending on how long I charge the phone, when the phone is discharged with the extended battery, it gets to '2 percent' and then if I reboot the phone, the percentage goes up to around '38 percent'.

I just rooted my phone last night. I will see if this 'phone calibration' issue is fixable with a calibration app from the Play Store.
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Here's some stuff about batteries.

The battery charge level is determined by its voltage level, and the voltage/charge level is identical for any battery of the same chemistry. It's a physical phenomenon particular to the chemistry.

A battery under load has a lower voltage than when not under load. When the load is removed (i.e. phone switched off for some length of time), the battery voltage recovers to a higher voltage. In that event, the battery maintenance circuit in the phone will register a higher charge level. As the load is increased, the voltage recovery effect also increases. This is normal for any battery chemistry.

Notes. The battery charger is inside the phone. The AC 'wall wart', or in-car cigar lighter plug, isn't the battery charger. The wall wart is only a DC current supply. Also, the maximum possible rate of charge is a design specification of the battery charger circuit in the phone. Though it is possible to supply less than the maximum charge current to the battery charger in the phone by using a low current DC supply. In that event, the battery simply charges slower.

Caveat. If you put a battery of different chemistry into the phone, the battery maintenance circuit will not read the correct charge level for that chemistry.

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I just rooted my phone last night. I will see if this 'phone calibration' issue is fixable with a calibration app from the Play Store.
All that does, is delete the batterystats.bin and generate a new one. That wouldn't calibrate shyt....
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All that does, is delete the batterystats.bin and generate a new one. That wouldn't calibrate shyt....
I understand that... But wouldn't the batterystats.bat file affect how the indicator behaves?
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I understand that... But wouldn't the batterystats.bat file affect how the indicator behaves?
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Nope, all that does in show usage stats in Settings>Power Saver>Battery Usage.
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Unfortunately, I have come to just accept the limitations of the battery meter on this phone. Still a darned good phone.
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