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Old August 13th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #151 (permalink)
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I live in Dallas Texas too. It seems everyone has 3G on there Lg Optimus M but me. How do i get it? Also Is there an upgraded to Android 2.2.2? I dont have that either

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i only see it for seconds at a time, never long enough to really try it. I somehow got a speed test on it but only once and I don't know how I caught it, because I think the network switched to 1x in the middle of the test lol. meh.

2.2.2 is available if you want through the upgrading software that LG has available on their website, but nobody's figured out how to root it yet.
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Ok I got great news, here at my house in jax, near merril rd. I have 3g symbol and even better then that I get 700kb/s download speed.

That's totally not fair!! I live in Middleburg, where's my 3G symbol at on my phone??? GRrrrrrrrr!!!!! LOL What the crap??? Did I miss something? Update something wrong?? I updated the phone's software and so far I haven't had any reboot/freezes but where can I get the 3G???
Don't forget, I live in the Middle-ofeffin'-nowhere-burg!!! We don't have 4G service out here but shouldn't we have 3G??
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Okay i am totally lost with this 3g thing, how do i get 3g on my phone?? I live in middleburg, okay it's kinda in the middle of nowhwere but we have cell towers, just don't know which belongs to what company but can someone please show me the steps or walk me through it so i don't mess up something on my phone?? I already upgraded the software on my phone to 2.2.2 but i keep seeing all these 3g posts popping up and i want 3g on my phone!!! this is soo not fair!! Lol
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Old August 14th, 2011, 01:18 AM   #155 (permalink)
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It would be nice if someone can do this for me instead of me doing this, i would soooooo pay you : ) lol
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I am getting 3g after I saw my wife get it. Metro updated her prl I had to update mine manually. Must say was excited but it is capped can't break 200 k a second. May end up switching to v mobile for faster 3g not interested in spending money on a 4g handset
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Only thing is, I read (but didn't verify elsewhere) that virgin mobile won't accept outside phones on to their network, so if that's true, you may be forced to buy another handset anyway.

I'm thinking in the future, I wanna go to GSM whenever I decide to switch carriers (not anytime soon). At least I'll have the freedom to switch carriers while keeping the same handset, and I think still get all the data/etc. *shrugs*
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Only thing is, I read (but didn't verify elsewhere) that virgin mobile won't accept outside phones on to their network, so if that's true, you may be forced to buy another handset anyway.

I'm thinking in the future, I wanna go to GSM whenever I decide to switch carriers (not anytime soon). At least I'll have the freedom to switch carriers while keeping the same handset, and I think still get all the data/etc. *shrugs*

GSM phones are also locked to the carrier. However, you can find out on the internet how to unlock the phone so it can be used on other carriers.
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GSM phones are also locked to the carrier. However, you can find out on the internet how to unlock the phone so it can be used on other carriers.
That's what I understood--that all you need is an unlock code for the phone, and you can put any sim card in there you want, or put your sim card in any other phone you want, and so on.

Beyond that, is it true that with GSM, since that's all that's required, that when you switch a phone to another carrier, there are no problems with getting full functionality with data and what not?

Conversely, is it true that with CDMA, if you flash the phone to another carrier, you have a high likelihood of NOT having full functionality, i.e. just maybe 1x if at all, and just calls and maybe texts otherwise?
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I have oh so many questions:

Anyone got any 3G in NYC, specifically Manhattan or Brooklyn?

Do you need 3020 PRL to get 3G?

How to SAFELY update to 3020, and what are the consequences?
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That's what I understood--that all you need is an unlock code for the phone, and you can put any sim card in there you want, or put your sim card in any other phone you want, and so on.

Beyond that, is it true that with GSM, since that's all that's required, that when you switch a phone to another carrier, there are no problems with getting full functionality with data and what not?

Conversely, is it true that with CDMA, if you flash the phone to another carrier, you have a high likelihood of NOT having full functionality, i.e. just maybe 1x if at all, and just calls and maybe texts otherwise?
I do know that you can put your sim card into any phone. As an example;
I took my AT&T phone swimming one time and my sister in law gave me an old T-Mobile phone. I found the unlock code and then put my sim card in and had service. However, I have only done this with older dumb phones, so I don't know if the smart phones would retain their smartness.
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Seems to me that as long as the phone can do wifi, you'd still be able to do anything that needed data, but you'd perhaps need a wifi network. but in terms of data service...i wonder who i could ask that would be an authority on the subject. Teenagers selling cell phones are not authorities on much. lol
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Okay i am totally lost with this 3g thing, how do i get 3g on my phone?? I live in middleburg, okay it's kinda in the middle of nowhwere but we have cell towers, just don't know which belongs to what company but can someone please show me the steps or walk me through it so i don't mess up something on my phone?? I already upgraded the software on my phone to 2.2.2 but i keep seeing all these 3g posts popping up and i want 3g on my phone!!! this is soo not fair!! Lol
if it's "kinda in the middle of nowhere" and you dont have 4G coverage you are pretty much screwed just like me (for now) other posts have said metro is only giving 3G to those areas that had data service interruption but not all areas will get 3G. I live in Miami (huge city with a huge amount of metropcs customers) and havent gotten 3G! im am actually frustrated because central Florida does have 3G but not south Florida. you can try *228, option 5 on your phone and see if you get updated to PRL 3020 which is not guaranteed you 3G but you have nothing to lose!
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Anyone got any 3G in NYC, specifically Manhattan or Brooklyn?

Do you need 3020 PRL to get 3G?

How to SAFELY update to 3020, and what are the consequences?
ok first, nyc no evdo update. that may change in the future. Second yes only prl 3020 will get you evdo at this time. if you want to put it on you have a couple of methods available, using lgnpst or qpst.
if you follow instructions exactly the consequences are evdo if you go to a evdo market. If you mess up really bad you will have to do lots of steps to fix the phone. however following the instructions is easy. no need to worry about messin up.
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if it's "kinda in the middle of nowhere" and you dont have 4G coverage you are pretty much screwed just like me (for now) other posts have said metro is only giving 3G to those areas that had data service interruption but not all areas will get 3G. I live in Miami (huge city with a huge amount of metropcs customers) and havent gotten 3G! im am actually frustrated because central Florida does have 3G but not south Florida. you can try *228, option 5 on your phone and see if you get updated to PRL 3020 which is not guaranteed you 3G but you have nothing to lose!
once you have prl 3020 do NOT *228 option 5. that will replace the 3020 with 3019.
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ok first, nyc no evdo update. that may change in the future. Second yes only prl 3020 will get you evdo at this time. if you want to put it on you have a couple of methods available, using lgnpst or qpst.
if you follow instructions exactly the consequences are evdo if you go to a evdo market. If you mess up really bad you will have to do lots of steps to fix the phone. however following the instructions is easy. no need to worry about messin up.

once you have prl 3020 do NOT *228 option 5. that will replace the 3020 with 3019.
yes what he said!!
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I've searched around a lot and from what I hear it is widely speculated that Metro is soon going to completely abandon 3G in order to focus on 4G. It seems suspicious to me that they would begin to roll out 3G only to abandon it, but hey what do I know
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I've searched around a lot and from what I hear it is widely speculated that Metro is soon going to completely abandon 3G in order to focus on 4G. It seems suspicious to me that they would begin to roll out 3G only to abandon it, but hey what do I know
They have always said, for at least a yr. They are focusing on 4g they want 4g coverage everywhere.

the only reason they decided to rollout any 3g is to clear up the congestion caused by the huge influx of android smartphones since the ascend and optimus came out.
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I would think that everyone would say "1x sucks" and just use wifi. Lol guess not. But then again there's all the background data that has probably skyrocketed too.
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I would think that everyone would say "1x sucks" and just use wifi. Lol guess not. But then again there's all the background data that has probably skyrocketed too.
even with evdo I use wifi when available, but where you going to find wifi that travels around with you
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I would think that everyone would say "1x sucks" and just use wifi. Lol guess not.
I do use wifi whenever I'm somewhere that has wifi. Unfortunately, most of my day is spent at work and I don't have access to the wifi.

When I get home tonight I'm going to try to manually update my PRL to see if I can get my 3G back. I had it once and then updated my roaming list and it put me back at 3019. Keeping my fingers crossed that I can get this to work! It was one thing to never have had 3G and not know what I'm missing. To have had it for a few hours and realize the huge difference in speeds, I now know my phone is capable of being much faster when not connected to wifi. It's just really unfortunate that Metro has such horrible customer service.
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I do use wifi whenever I'm somewhere that has wifi. Unfortunately, most of my day is spent at work and I don't have access to the wifi.

When I get home tonight I'm going to try to manually update my PRL to see if I can get my 3G back. I had it once and then updated my roaming list and it put me back at 3019. Keeping my fingers crossed that I can get this to work! It was one thing to never have had 3G and not know what I'm missing. To have had it for a few hours and realize the huge difference in speeds, I now know my phone is capable of being much faster when not connected to wifi. It's just really unfortunate that Metro has such horrible customer service.
where do you live?
I am trying to keep a count of areas that receive evdo
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I live in tampa only seen 3g icon 3 times by the airport, however drove to Lakeland an Orlando had 3g all the way speeds were a little under 200 but websites came up faster than 1x
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Just wanted to add my experience with my Optimus M. In Lodi, CA I still see 1x, but everyday I drive to Stockton, CA and for the last couple of weeks, my phone consistently switches to 3G.

I have the 3020 PRL, though I don't really know what that is, and I didn't do anything to get it. I'm on 2.2 (not 2.2.1 or 2.2.2 like some others have been talking about).

I use the speedtest.net app, and get less than 200kbps whether it says '3G' or '1X' up top, so it looks like they're capping it here.
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where do you live?
I am trying to keep a count of areas that receive evdo
I live in Lakeland. Seeing all these people in Lakeland who are saying that they have 3G hurts my feelings lol. I wish I hadn't ever dialed *228.
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I live in Lakeland. Seeing all these people in Lakeland who are saying that they have 3G hurts my feelings lol. I wish I hadn't ever dialed *228.
put prl 3020 back on, it really isnt very difficult. if you would like help pm
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put prl 3020 back on, it really isnt very difficult. if you would like help pm
Will do! My roommate just randomly got 3G on his Ascend today (to add insult to injury).
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UPDATE (and a little extra salt in saber85's digi-wound ): Earlier in this thread, or somewhere in one of the other recent 3G threads, I posted about having made the manual switch to prl 3020. Posts after that have been basically saying that I would only see it rarely, and only for seconds at a time. I have been getting more and more regular 3g since last night. Today I've been almost exclusively on 3G. It's definitely capped--it's not much better than 1x, but it is a notable improvement. Again, I'm in Arlington, TX, which is just about right in the middle of DFW.

It's good enough that I don't have to always rely on wifi.
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Yay Dude! Glad you are getting it now. The funny thing for me, I get 3G really well in Garland, but when I'm in north Dallas or Richardson areas, I only get 1x. I would think the big city of Dallas would have it before the out lying areas.
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Yeah. Go fig. But then again Metro has a rep as described earlier who tells people that 3G and 1x are the same thing. LOL.
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As I said in another thread, I got my 3G working last night!! As soon as I manually updated to 3020 the 3G was back. I wanted to see how well it worked outside of Lakeland so I turned on Last.fm when I left for work this morning. On my way to Tampa from Lakeland, the 3G was really good. I had no lag in between songs and the album art loaded very quickly. It wasn't until I hit exit 14 (the McIntosh exit which is located in Dover) that I lost 3G coverage completely. There were very brief flickers down I4, but now that I'm in Tampa I have no 3G at all.
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ya, one guy said he gets it downtown near the water, but it flickers so fast its not any good.
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It seems sort of backwards to push it to Lakeland and not Tampa. But I'm not going to complain .
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I have read through these forums and there is a lot of speculation that MetroPCS rolled out 3g to help with congestions in popular areas and eventually will get rid of CDMA completely going to 4g LTE. With a 6% churn every month, metropcs cannot afford to keep losing customers. 3g could in my speculation be a small effort to keep people happy enough to stay with metro instead of switching to other carriers like vmobile or sprint.

However, 3g is capped around 200 kbps and its nuts. It's more upsetting to get 3g covg, then to know your capped so it barely feels like 3g. Metro needs to get their game face on because investors are not happy with their churn of 6% and just realize if your selling android phones that are decent and capable of 3g, go ahead and give em 3g before you end of losing your investor capitol. I dont know many people that are willing to abandon a 3g phone and pay for a overpriced 4g lte phone (unless Internet speeds are an adrenaline rush to you).

I also read back somewhere in these posts, that some people have tried the tutorials and its not recognizing the phone when you plug it into the computer. It happened to me, so I went to the LG site and downloaded the optimus m drivers for windows 7 and it worked immediately after that. Thats how I updated my 3020 prl.
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You also have to make sure USB debugging is enabled. I made that mistake and it took me a good half hour of trying to get LGNPST to recognize my phone before I put two and two together. Even with the drivers it wouldn't recognize my phone until I turned on debugging mode.

And if Metro really does push 3G out to all these people and then get rid of it completely they are going to lose a lot more customers. All of my friends who have Metro are ecstatic that they have 3G and now know what they were missing.
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I wonder if the 3g has to do with their new unlimited rhapsody plan. Has anyone gone to the rhapsody plan to see if they uncap the 3g?
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I wonder if the 3g has to do with their new unlimited rhapsody plan. Has anyone gone to the rhapsody plan to see if they uncap the 3g?
Far as I know, and have heard that will be on the 4g plans
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If you check their site you can also get it for any regular android device. Doesn't have to be a 4g plan. Its on their site now
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They have always said, for at least a yr. They are focusing on 4g they want 4g coverage everywhere.

the only reason they decided to rollout any 3g is to clear up the congestion caused by the huge influx of android smartphones since the ascend and optimus came out.

yes what he said -- that it's "temporary" and as it's only in some markets, and it will be capped. Most are now being capped at around 200kbps. It's not full 3G speed.

But it's better than 1x RTT -- if your area ever gets it. Metro is only in 14 markets and many will not ever see the "3G" symbol.


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And if Metro really does push 3G out to all these people and then get rid of it completely they are going to lose a lot more customers. All of my friends who have Metro are ecstatic that they have 3G and now know what they were missing.
They are going to turn off their CDMA transmitters, sometime -- perhaps even a year from now. That would be very agressive timing. Might be 1.5 years... First step is to get VoLTE going well early next year. By then they also will also have finished Phase II of the LTE build out so it completely overlays their CDMA map. Also by early next year they hope to have $200 LTE phones.



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"We are planning to begin introducing VoLTE-capable handsets early next year to move voice as well as data traffic to our LTE network," said MetroPCS CEO Roger Lindquist. That will help MetroPCS to use its limited spectrum capacity more efficiently by turning off CDMA.

BUT, Metro's LTE phones will still have CDMA chips inside for nationwide roaming, for when you travel outside of Metro's areas. Currently they have CDMA roaming agreements with Sprint, Cricket, and "Travel Talk" with Verizon -- which is how Metro claims "nationwide" outside their 14 markets. Until there is some reliable nationwide LTE network available for roaming with which Metro has a roaming agreement (something like Lightsquared or Dish network wants to build), Metro's LTE phones will still need CDMA chipsets.

Still, what happens to the people who are going to buy the upcoming Samsung Admire and the HTC Wildfire S, which are CDMA only? What happens to them when Metro turns off their CDMA transmitters? Will all CDMA-only Metro phones then be useless?

Some people have hinted Metro is currently negotiating some kind of "in market" roaming agreement with Sprint that would then replace Metro's CDMA transmitters. But that would be very expensive, so I don't know whether to believe it or not. Yet Metro has to do something like that. They can't just cut on the transmitters and say, "Sorry suckers!"

So, some kind of in-market roaming agreement makes sense -- but it would probably be CAPPED so as to still nudge people to upgrade to LTE phones. Currently Sprint's 3G speed can be as high as 2500 k (2.5mbps). That's like Metro's LTE speed! Wouldn't be good to give people CDMA roaming speed on Sprint as good as your own LTE speed! Currently the nationwide roaming agreement speed with Sprint is capped at 1x RTT speed, so the capped roaming agreement speed has a precedent.

Any such upgraded roaming agreement with Sprint of course would necessitate a new PRL (Preferred Roaming List), way past the current 3020. That's what PRLs are -- a list that tells your phone which transmitters you have access to and at what speed -- what rights your phone has to communicate with various towers.
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I can understand metro trying to push 4g just think its pointless to offer rhapsody on their android phones. Their site now says they will flash any android phones to get you on their rhapsody plan.. kind of pointless if that phone will never have 4g access and 3g is only temp.
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What is really pointless is selling more cdma phones, if they follow the map chazz has posted and turn off cdma towers in all the home locations next year, or even 2 years everyone that has bought or will buy these cdma phones are going to be SOL
They will have to get a new phone and while that will be great for metro sales how many people will say I just plunked down $129+ for a phone an not give metro any more money but switch carriers, maybe using the phone they bought, or maybe trading it in on a different phone. or just getting another phone all together.
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im in the torrance/gardena area in los angeles, and i get a 3g icon but when i try to go on the internet or sumthing it goes back to searching for service
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I can understand metro trying to push 4g just think its pointless to offer rhapsody on their android phones. Their site now says they will flash any android phones to get you on their rhapsody plan.. kind of pointless if that phone will never have 4g access and 3g is only temp.
Never gonna happen....
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yes what he said -- that it's "temporary" and as it's only in some markets, and it will be capped. Most are now being capped at around 200kbps. It's not full 3G speed.

But it's better than 1x RTT -- if your area ever gets it. Metro is only in 14 markets and many will not ever see the "3G" symbol.




Im not gonna say, that LTE is not promising and that yea, eventually the CDMA network may or will shut down, its almost ancient technology, however customers will not be left abandoned if they dont or can not upgrade to an LTE handset, and MetroPCS will not subsidize new LTE handsets to legacy users..... remember, we are prepaid!

They are going to turn off their CDMA transmitters, sometime -- perhaps even a year from now. That would be very agressive timing. Might be 1.5 years... First step is to get VoLTE going well early next year. By then they also will also have finished Phase II of the LTE build out so it completely overlays their CDMA map. Also by early next year they hope to have $200 LTE phones.



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BUT, Metro's LTE phones will still have CDMA chips inside for nationwide roaming, for when you travel outside of Metro's areas. Currently they have CDMA roaming agreements with Sprint, Cricket, and "Travel Talk" with Verizon -- which is how Metro claims "nationwide" outside their 14 markets. Until there is some reliable nationwide LTE network available for roaming with which Metro has a roaming agreement (something like Lightsquared or Dish network wants to build), Metro's LTE phones will still need CDMA chipsets.

Still, what happens to the people who are going to buy the upcoming Samsung Admire and the HTC Wildfire S, which are CDMA only? What happens to them when Metro turns off their CDMA transmitters? Will all CDMA-only Metro phones then be useless?

Some people have hinted Metro is currently negotiating some kind of "in market" roaming agreement with Sprint that would then replace Metro's CDMA transmitters. But that would be very expensive, so I don't know whether to believe it or not. Yet Metro has to do something like that. They can't just cut on the transmitters and say, "Sorry suckers!"

So, some kind of in-market roaming agreement makes sense -- but it would probably be CAPPED so as to still nudge people to upgrade to LTE phones. Currently Sprint's 3G speed can be as high as 2500 k (2.5mbps). That's like Metro's LTE speed! Wouldn't be good to give people CDMA roaming speed on Sprint as good as your own LTE speed! Currently the nationwide roaming agreement speed with Sprint is capped at 1x RTT speed, so the capped roaming agreement speed has a precedent.

Any such upgraded roaming agreement with Sprint of course would necessitate a new PRL (Preferred Roaming List), way past the current 3020. That's what PRLs are -- a list that tells your phone which transmitters you have access to and at what speed -- what rights your phone has to communicate with various towers.



Chazz,

Honestly, and with all the respect....

Its a bit utopic that metro will shut down their CDMA transmitters, nor even in the next comming 5 or 8 years......

A few reasons come to my head... just with a little bit of thinking....

1. lack of LTE handsets.

2. Lack of Efficient LTE handsets.

3. Extreme power use on LTE devices... while on LTE.

4. Lack of penetration on LTE network, it will not be developed in all the MetroPCS markets, only selected ones, unless metro acquires more spectrum (which even if we wanted to get more spectrum, there is none available unless we purchase another wireless carrier... reason why Verizon has coverage everywhere.... they have purchased all the companies around the country for years... they have all the spectrum they want).

5. Incompatibility with Verizon's LTE (you may think, verizon is developing LTE where MetroPCS can roam, different frequencies and will never be backwards compatible unless something similar to LTE Quad Band phones are developed).

6. Not backwards compatible with CDMA.

7. Legacy devices on metro network ( out of the 8.5 million customers metro has in its pocket right now, 8.4 have CDMA handsets, it will take YEARS to migrate everyone to LTE.

LTE is the future of wireless communications, it allows, on the same infrastructure to accomodate 1000x customers, and if speeds are capped, who knows, maybe 10000x customers.... on the same infrastructure with little maintenance cost..... but this is no where close to be considered as an option.... yet.

Technology evolves at extremly high rates now days but realisticly... we are still a prepaid carrier!

And I dont know about anyone else, but at least me im proud of saying i have metropcs now.... its half of what it was a year ago.... were evolving and quickly!
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What is really pointless is selling more cdma phones, if they follow the map chazz has posted and turn off cdma towers in all the home locations next year, or even 2 years everyone that has bought or will buy these cdma phones are going to be SOL
That's why I'm wondering if there will be some kind of capped, in-market roaming agreement with Sprint to replace the CDMA carriers that are going to be turned off a year or two from now? While they will be pushing everyone to upgrade to LTE, I can't see them just cutting everyone else off.

So, there's something they are not telling us yet. There's a missing piece of information they are not ready to announce.

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Never gonna happen....
Trust me.
Can you be more clear about what you are saying will never happen? Unless you are the MetroPCS president/CEO, you don't know anything about what is going to happen.
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Chazz,

Honestly, and with all the respect....

Its a bit utopic that metro will shut down their CDMA transmitters, nor even in the next comming 5 or 8 years......
The CEO of MetroPCS and many others in management have STATED PUBLICLY many times their intention to do this. So don't argue with me. I'm not the one saying it. MetroPCS is saying it. And the most recent time they said it was THIS MONTH, on August 5, 2011. Go read the article I linked. I don't pull this out of thin air.

I have speculated they might have some sort of in-market roaming agreement with Sprint in the works, but I have no evidence of that. However, I do have incontrovertible evidence they plan to turn off their CDMA transmitters as soon as they can after VoLTE is a go. A year after VoLTE? 2 years after? For them to be announcing it now, it seems they want to do it sooner than two years after VoLTE.
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That's why I'm wondering if there will be some kind of capped, in-market roaming agreement with Sprint to replace the CDMA carriers that are going to be turned off a year or two from now? While they will be pushing everyone to upgrade to LTE, I can't see them just cutting everyone else off.

So, there's something they are not telling us yet. There's a missing piece of information they are not ready to announced
Can you be more clear about what you are saying will never happen? Unless you are the MetroPCS president/CEO, you don't know anything about what is going to happen.

I dont know,
To me is just doesnt make any sense "flashing" phones from the competition... specially the complexity it involves, i just dont see metro training their corporate personnel or auth dealers to deal with such complex procedures.... you know its hard... even with the simplest houdini soft we currently have... its horrible to flash a phone... i cant imagine changing network and internet preferences.... hell no! lol

maybe the CDMA agreement... there must be something in the ball.... obviously cuz we do roam seamlessly where we have no markets but... i dont know. i feel like metro loves its independence, not to mention the outrageous amount of money sprint would charge us... but again, u said it im no CEO or CFO :/

You know Metro is really good at not saying the propper information or the right things until they are a week away to happen.... were just doomed to wait, as always...
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5. Incompatibility with Verizon's LTE (you may think, verizon is developing LTE where MetroPCS can roam, different frequencies and will never be backwards compatible unless something similar to LTE Quad Band phones are developed).
I would never think that, so please don't even suggest I said anything like that. I'm the one telling other people they will have to buy new phones for any LTE roaming agreements, such as that proposed with Lightsquared/Sprint if that ever launches.

I've had to explain to many people why it's impossible to flash Verizon's LTE phones to Metro's LTE network.

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Now as LTE phones develop, as as LTE chipsets become more advanced, I could see manufacturers baking more frequencies into their LTE chips so they could sell the same phones to Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, Metro, Cricket... and only those carrier's frequencies would be activated. Thus, perhaps a hacker could flash an LTE Verizon phone to another carrier's LTE network. And that's disregarding any other protections the carrier might have. But that's in the future, not now.

Right now, the LTE LG Revolution on Verizon will not work on Metro, and the LTE LG Esteem on Metro will not work on Verizon, even though they are basically the same phone except for different size internal memory.
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I would never think that, so please don't even suggest I said anything like that. I'm the one telling other people they will have to buy new phones for any LTE roaming agreements, such as that proposed with Lightsquared/Sprint if that ever launches.
Never did.... :P relax... maybe i didnt expressed my self right, i just wanted to make a point on that. Ppl may think is the same when is two different book pages,... on that, me and you are on the same page!
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I honestly dont think we are looking at an 8 to 10 year range here, just look at past evolution of cell network, analog was replaced by digital it did not take 10 years to turn off the analog systems.
I remember in 01 I had a digital phone that had analog radio for roaming. by 03 I dont think the analog was still around.
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So I decided to do a speedtest and im getting 114 kbs down on 1x I had 13 before o_0
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