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Old May 7th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Has Virgin Mobile blocked the tethering apps?

Ok, I got my much anticipated Optimus V in the mail and so far I love it. I downloaded Quick Settings from the market and so far haven't gotten the app to open. I also downloaded Toggle and it wont open either. The other non-tethering apps I downlaoded open and work just fine. Has VM done something to thwart using the phone as a hotspot?

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I had this installed prior and just tested it out with no problems. I'm not sure if they did something new though for current dloads. I tried the toggle alone and used quick settings with no problems.

I do have my phone rooted though along with a custom rom running. So I may not be a good one to test.
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I had this installed prior and just tested it out with no problems. I'm not sure if they did something new though for current dloads. I tried the toggle alone and used quick settings with no problems.

I do have my phone rooted though along with a custom rom running. So I may not be a good one to test.
Yeah your phone being rooted might make a difference.
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It's going to be harder to find those tethering apps in the future. Sprint hasn't asked for the apps to be removed so far, though.

GOOGLE CAVES: Bans Free Wi-Fi Hotspots On Your Android Phone
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It's going to be harder to find those tethering apps in the future. Sprint hasn't asked for the apps to be removed so far, though.

GOOGLE CAVES: Bans Free Wi-Fi Hotspots On Your Android Phone
Thanks for the info. I knew something was going on. So far I haven't found any of the tethering apps that will open.

If anyone knows of one please let me know.
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Have you tried to usb tether using pdanet?
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It's going to be harder to find those tethering apps in the future. Sprint hasn't asked for the apps to be removed so far, though.

GOOGLE CAVES: Bans Free Wi-Fi Hotspots On Your Android Phone


Another reason why I dont use ATT or Verizon. Still the way it works is they block something and someone figures out a way around it.
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I would imagine that VM will just put a cap on the data usage and when you go over that throttle you to a snails pace.
Then when you are at the airport and your flight is cancelled and you need to make a flight change and your internet takes 5 minutes to load a page you will rethink tethering.
I tether but only for short periods of time 1-2 times a month.
Back up your tethering apps to dropbox and your sd card just in case they pull them from the market.
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Back up your tethering apps to dropbox and your sd card just in case they pull them from the market.
How do you do such a backup? Is there an app for backing up apps to dropbox directly?
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So far non of the non-root apps are working on my phone.
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Quick Settings is working fine for me today.
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tethering widget by alek chmyr works good. Allows you to tether via hotspot or usb. No root needed
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Quick Settings is working fine for me today.
I think the changes only affect NEW phone activations like mine. Anyone activated a new phone in the last week with a tethering app?
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I think the changes only affect NEW phone activations like mine. Anyone activated a new phone in the last week with a tethering app?

It doesn't work like that. They have to change the software on the phone to make that change
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It doesn't work like that. They have to change the software on the phone to make that change
That can't be implemented on new phones? I've downloaded 6 tethering apps from the market and none of them work. Perhaps the apps themselves have been changed recently? I'm looking for an app to download from outside the market.
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I got my phone same time you did from NFM. I am using the hotspot right now thru QuickSettings. So, NEW activations isn't it.

Like another poster said, they can only disable this thru a OTA upgrade.

i've not heard of any software updates for this phone.

NOW > > > they did change the firmware on the Optimus S and T thru an OTA upgrade that DOES disable the hotspot!



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I got my phone same time you did from NFM. I am using the hotspot right now thru QuickSettings. So, NEW activations isn't it.

Like another poster said, they can only disable this thru a OTA upgrade.

i've not heard of any software updates for this phone.

NOW > > > they did change the firmware on the Optimus S and T thru an OTA upgrade that DOES disable the hotspot!
Ok, I just downloaded QuickSettings again. Lets see what happens. Maybe you're doing something different than I.
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I got my phone same time you did from NFM. I am using the hotspot right now thru QuickSettings. So, NEW activations isn't it.
I downloaded the QS app, but its not on my homepage, but only accessible when I click the Market icon and then click 'my apps'. I open the app and there is no Wi-Fi Hotspot button. In its place is a Mobile data button.

This is a list of buttons available from the top.

1. Ringer
2. Volume control
3. Bluetooth
4. Wi-Fi
5. GPS receiver
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you have to drag it out of the "hidden options" section above the thick bar to join the other "available icons".

with QuickSettings open. hit the OPTION button on the bottom of the phone where your click buttons are. the click CUSTOMIZE on the options menu. SCROLL down, and you will see HIDDEN SETTINGS. You will see WIFI hotspot. On the slider to the FAR right of the wording, DRAG the hotspot icon ABOVE the hidden settings bar....it will appear in the Available options.......

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I downloaded the QS app, but its not on my homepage, but only accessible when I click the Market icon and then click 'my apps'. I open the app and there is no Wi-Fi Hotspot button. In its place is a Mobile data button.

This is a list of buttons available from the top.

1. Ringer
2. Volume control
3. Bluetooth
4. Wi-Fi
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You rock, greg4android. I have it working now, kudos!
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So far, they have just removed the apps from the market listings for the phones whose carriers have requested it. The only way they can make it not work is to change either the app itself, or your phone's ROM/firmware, which would require an update which could be easily refused. We don't really know just how the various carriers are going to handle this yet. However, we do know that Google can remove apps from your phone without even telling you, they did so when the malicious apps were in the app store earlier this year.

My issue with this is how do you define tethering? The carriers offer instructions and software to show you how to transfer files between your phone and your computer. So I can download a photo/song/video/any-file to my phone, and then transfer that file to my computer, and the carriers actually encourage me to do so. But to actually download that same file straight to my computer via my phone, that is wrong?!? I really don't get it.
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quicksettings is still available.

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So far, they have just removed the apps from the market listings for the phones whose carriers have requested it. The only way they can make it not work is to change either the app itself, or your phone's ROM/firmware, which would require an update which could be easily refused. We don't really know just how the various carriers are going to handle this yet. However, we do know that Google can remove apps from your phone without even telling you, they did so when the malicious apps were in the app store earlier this year.
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you're welcome. *don't be abusing the hotspot feature now*

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However, we do know that Google can remove apps from your phone without even telling you, they did so when the malicious apps were in the app store earlier this year.
Really? That's scary and some fragglenacklebull.
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Google Can Remotely Remove Apps From Your Phone

by Quentyn Kennemer on June 24th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Even if Iíve been following Androidís development since the earlier parts of 2008, Iíd never known that Google has the functionality to remotely remove any application from your device that they deem necessary. Thereís a reason we donít hear about this: they donít do it often, and when they do, itís usually for a very good reason.

Recently, they had to remove an application from the market that was practically useless as the app was being misrepresented in order to get people to download it, but the app didnít actually do anything. Most users uninstalled the application naturally, but Google decided to do a little clean sweep of their own and get the applications off of the small amount of devices that had yet to uninstall it.
Itís a bit scary, if you think about it. Even if Googleís only planning to use the feature in the case of an emergency or extreme security risks, itís kind of unsettling to know that they have that kind of power. Still, we trust they wonít be messing up their reputation of being open and honest, so Iím sure no one has anything to worry about.
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I'd say it would be the CARRIER(Virgin mobile) that would want to remove tethering applications from the phone, NOT GOOGLE...

What's google got to gain from this?
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I'd say it would be the CARRIER(Virgin mobile) that would want to remove tethering applications from the phone, NOT GOOGLE...

What's google got to gain from this?
C.R.E.A.M. Cash Rules Everything Around Me. I guess if the carriers made enough noise or paid Google off? Hopefully, they wont.
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Well, if we did loose hotspot, we couldn't really complain, because its not an advertised feature of the phone.....

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Well, if we did loose hotspot, we couldn't really complain, because its not an advertised feature of the phone.....
True, but it is one of the main reasons I got it. Second only to the cheap no-contract plan. Man, I've wasted lots of gas and time trying to find a decent hotspot to send work related stuff to the office. Now I have another option in out of the city locations.
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What's google got to gain from this?
Advertising revenue, Google's main source of income.

If the carriers get unhappy and stop pushing Android phones, that hurts Google in the end. Happy carriers = more phones sold = more advertising revenue for Google.

Android is a pretty awesome smartphone software stack (OS), but it is ultimately just like Google's other products (Gmail, search, etc.) - an advertising delivery mechanism.
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[Wifi tethering] not an advertised feature of the phone.....
Or is it? (on the linked page, click on Specifications)

Hmmmmmmmm Ö









I'm well aware that VMU does not advertise (or technically even allow) tethering Ö
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Or is it? (on the linked page, click on Specifications)

Hmmmmmmmm Ö









I'm well aware that VMU does not advertise (or technically even allow) tethering Ö
Read what is says though--it says the phone can *connect* to wifi hotspots, it doesn't say it can *be* one.

(Of course we know it can, but they are not advertising that as a feature.)
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Connecting to a wifi hotspot, and creating a wifi hotspot are two different things.
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i had no problem, ran wireless tether with root access for laptop, pdanet for my PC. Both worked fine
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Some times it's gotta connect. The first time I ran tethering widget it took about ten minutes to connect properly. I'm using windows 7.
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Read what is says though--it says the phone can *connect* to wifi hotspots, it doesn't say it can *be* one.
Actually, it explicitly says neither. On the Specifications page to which I referred, it only says ĽWi-Fiģ Hotspot Connectivityę.

On further reflection, I realize that that wording isn't explicit either way. Personally, it seems to me that the word hotspot is superfluous ó and thus misleading ó if all that is meant is Ľregularę Wi-Fi connectivity. In other words, if the device can only connect via Wi-Fi, without being able to be a hotspot, adding the word serves no purpose.

Oh, well Ö
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Just use widgetsoid for tethering, that's what I use. I was never able to get quicksetting to work.
I have a toggle at the top of my home screen for WiFi/Hotspot/GPS/Sync/Brightness
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Not bad for a (1) t-1 tower. the PING got it an F.
but not a bad data speed from a cell phone.


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Not bad for a (1) t-1 tower. the PING got it an F.
but not a bad data speed from a cell phone.


My test was pathetic.
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What was your result? I am connected thru the hotspot now.


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What was your result? I am connected thru the hotspot now.
I just ran the test on my phone using 3G I guess.
Ping - 186 ms
Download - 201 kbps
Upload - 22 kbps
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This test is using wi-fi.

Ping - 46 ms
Download - 8618 kbps
Upload - 1907 kbps
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I don't have my phone rooted but would love to. The quick settings works fine for me. I usually tether my ipod but that is all. I tethered in a few days ago and it worked fine for me.
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Wi-Fi speed tests thru your phone are really irrelavant. Its only as fast as your home network speed. (or where ever you're pulling the wi-fi signal from)

Raw 3G data speed THRU your phone is what we're looking for.

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Old May 17th, 2011, 01:57 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I received my Optimus last Thursday and have been loving it!!!! This past Sunday night I installed Quick Settings and it is working without any problems!!
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PDAnet has a hide tethering feature that might come in handy.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 03:42 PM   #47 (permalink)
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not bad for a hotspot. Good for checking email and very light web surfing away from home.



But the phone is only a backup for this! :-)

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