350X

I wonder what auto kill level folks use on advance task killer?

how agressive is agressive?

safe setting doesn't seem to auto kill as much, which I have it set to auto kill every 30min

Petrah

Give this a read. It's probably the best post you will find anywhere on the forums.

Why you don't need a task killer

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AndyOpie150

I agree 100%

350X

id dis agree, as when I start to have problems typing a text message with the screen action/letters stalling to appear, I have to kill all the stock bloatware and apps that auto start. Its nothing new or added on thats running all the time that slows it down at times.

pisses me off when the text inputs stalls n stops when im trying to send a quick message.

only apps I dont kill are, task killer, email, clock, messaging, all rest that show up in task killer are killed

Last edited by 350X; January 16th, 2012 at 03:31 AM.

brotherswing

Even though we shouldn't need a task killer, I find it useful from time to time. I don't use any automatic ones, just ES Task Manager. When my phone starts getting a little laggy, I kill a handful of tasks. I only need to do that once every couple of days.

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AndyOpie150

are you rooted,ROMed,overclocked, or are you stock?

Petrah

Then you have something wrong with your phone, have a poorly written app installed, have an app that's conflicting with another, or you have some corrupt files somewhere. Instead of killing the apps, you need to find out what's causing the lag and fix it.

Nine times out of ten most people are not willing to do what it takes to troubleshoot an issue.... best advice I can give you for this one is to uninstall all of the apps that didn't come with the phone and run it for a few days stock. If the issue persists, do a system restore (this will ensure a clean testing bed and reinstall and fix any files that may be corrupt) and run it for a few days like that. If the issue continues then call Virgin Mobile.

MacFett

I agree with 350X, I had many problems with the phone's bloatware. I used a task killer to keep them down and it really helped until I rooted and removed it for good.

We shouldn't need one correct, but the bloatware is very aggressive.

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brotherswing

Agreed, but I have a bad habit of running eighteen things at once. As I said I find it useful to be able to selectively kill apps from a decent ui. I've said many times, I've never had a problem with this phone that I didn't cause.

Petrah

Perhaps I just got lucky with my phone, but pre-root I never had any of this lag you guys talk about. I'm a firm believer in not installing so much software that my hardware cannot keep up (along with researching software before you install it). Good system maintenance is also a key factor in how your phone runs.

frdmspoplr

Bloatware is definitely one of the disadvantages of Android. Honestly, most of the apps you're killing are probably restarting right away or shortly thereafter, which is just using extra battery/processing power. Simplest solution IMO: root it, install Titanium Backup, and uninstall all the bloatware that you don't want. There may be a one-click solution in the Market that I'm not aware of, but google an app called gingerbreak which will allow you to obtain root with one click. If uninstalling the bloatware is all you want to do, you could just unroot it afterwards when you're done.

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MacFett

I'm not talking about installed stuff. I am talking about the stock bloatware consuming so many system resources I would have to pull the battery.

brotherswing

Pre-root the biggest kill worthy app was Where. I detest that app with a passion that transcends the descriptive powers of the English language. I rooted specifically to remove it. I'm ranting again, aren't I?

350X

How is one program that kills 5-6 using up more power, then lettting all those bloatware programs run???

im not good at math but that don't add up???

brotherswing

Because bloatware relaunches itself immediately after being killed. That's what drains the battery.

350X

I don't see it that way, only a couple come back quick [facebook,market], the rest will be gone for quiet a long time, till I forget to check and then walla they crop up.

koopakid08

Almost every App listed as running in a task killer is not actually running they are CACHED they take up no resources and no battery life. Android takes care of itself and task killers cause many problems and solve none. You have no idea how many people's phones I have magically "fixed" by removing task killer apps. These things were made back before Android 2.2 and were useful then because Android was not yet mature enough to handle itself and did not yet have the option to force close apps but Android is now a much smarter and mature mobile OS and can take care of itself.

TGBlade

Do you check the App killer's list or the system's Manage Applications -> Running list? Pre-root/Flash, these lists differed.

AndyOpie150

If you really want to see whats using your battery, go to menu/settings/about phone/battery use.
Most of the apps that are killed really need to be left alone. When I first got a "smart phone" I did the task killer apps, watch dog lite etc. I just made things worse. I started looking at what was really using the battery and if I didn't like how much it was using, I got rid of it.
Most of the Bloatware just leave it alone. Most members have problems with them hoging the battery only if they have used them. The only way to get rid of them is to root,download a root uninstaller,uninstall.
If rooting isn't an option then just don't open them up.

If you look at the battery use you will be suprised to see that all those apps you thought were using your battery and system resorces, aren't.
Lag is created by apps that have not been designed properly,using your system resorces all the time or putting an app on the sd card that wasn't designed properly enough to be there. Some apps draw more system resources trying to function were they really can't.
Download a permission checker. If the app wants to have access to too many system functions it's liable to create LAG. I had apps that wanted permission to do 3 times what was necessary,got rid of it and found a similar one that didn't. It's scary just what all access/permissions some of these apps want.

Turn everything off. GPS, Auto sync, 3G, Bluetooth,etc. If your not using it there is no need for it to be a strain/drain on your system. Turn on auto sync for 30 sec.,3 times a day and you should be ok.

After doing all these things your still going to experience lag. The reason: the CPU speed is to low on the stock V. Those who are overclocked just 150MHz more don't experience hardly any lag.
As far as battery life: 768MHz-480MHz is where I'm set. Having done all the aforementioned things, I don't have much if any lag and when I go to bed with the phone fully charged and left on; I wake up with it still at 100%.

I have to use my phone as my pc. I can go more than 6hrs. with the phone on and cruzing arouns the device furums before I go below 30% battery, and don't have any problem having three pages up switching back and forth between them.

I once had a brief period where I didn't need the phone that much and whent 2 1/2 days before going below 30%. I forgot: I always turn the screen brightness all the way down till I can just see the screen fine without having to squint. The screen brightness will cause a lot of drain as well. Another good reason for having a small screen over a big battery draining screen.

Last edited by AndyOpie150; January 17th, 2012 at 01:58 AM.

350X

And hence the reason for my original post, I wanted to know how the agressive setting was in it, to get ride of those last few that crop back up, like facebook,market,gmail

MacFett

gmail you just tell it not to sync. facebook uninstall it or remove it's autoupdate.

brotherswing

If you use the mobile version of the website in a browser instead of the app, you'll have 95% of the same functionality, without extra processes running or wasting nearly ten megs of precious space.

Petrah

That's what I was talking about. My phone pre-root. I did not have any lag issues. The only default app that I've ever had an issue with is the Gallery, and once that's force closed and QuickPic is installed, no issues with that either.

brotherswing

Odd, gallery has always behaved itself for me. I've come to understand that is the exception, not the rule.

350X

gallery don't like being reopened/launched by the camera short cut of the last pic taken sometimes.

350X

Well I don't like how no program has a close or exit option, cached or not, I don't like it doing that. The phone should just hide cached programs and not call them running, cause when Im done, clear data and turn it off. I don't need angry birds to load 3mil a sec quicker. 3 days later when I decide to play again

brotherswing

I understand your point of view, but it honestly doesn't matter when you think of how Android manages memory. Here's a video of one of the Android developers explaining it.

http://dubroy.com/blog/google-io-memory-management-for-android-apps/

TGBlade

I decided to read through this and several articles about the argument over ATKs. The links that were posted here did a good bit of convincing in the way of supporting the idea to get rid of ATK. I then tried it out for a few days, and WOW. Just my battery life alone is improved. (Obviously YMMV) I had my phone of the charger yesterday and after the first 9 hours, I had only used up 13% battery with light use including internet, sync'd mail, a couple of apps.

Seems to be helping me!

350X

yeh, we got another convert

Petrah

Light to moderate use. No task killer. 3 days on battery (Jerry, dude your rom rocks!).

koopakid08

You can force exit any app by using the back button to get out of an app instead of the home button and why wouldn't you want Angry birds to loaf quicker? Like I said before cached apps have no effect on battery or system resources and over time Android learns what apps you use most and keeps those apps cached until the ram is needed elsewhere.

Thorsten

Same here. There are two (still unrooted) Vs in my family and many similarly-powered Froyo and Gingerbread phones all around me (for which I’ve been the primary support call). None of those phones have had any performance problems with pre-installed, but unused bloatware. (The obvious exception are vendor-forced UI modifications, which obviously do run, often much slower than stock Android.)

When people appear to experience performance issues seemingly tied to pre-installed software, I suspect one of three things:

1. a task killer, which does nothing other than wasting cycles by constantly killing apps that immediately auto-restart,
2. the user has indeed used one or several of these apps before (perhaps just to test and immediately reject them) and – perhaps inadvertently – changed their settings so that they keep auto-syncing in sufficiently short intervals to cause noticeable performance issues,
3. a misconception, i.e., there simply is no performance hit, at least not from those apps.

Same here. I do suspect that often (I’m not saying in all cases) users simply misunderstand the Battery Use screen. When it says that Gallery uses 65% of available battery power, it only means those times when Gallery is actually running in the foreground. I’ve had no reason to believe that it continues to use cycles when it’s cached and not visible.

That said, I have dumped it in favor of QuickPic, just because the latter’s UI is better.

I’m not sure if you really mean this (because of the smiley), but just in case you do, that’s just not how Android works, sorry.

350X

All hail to thee, ATK, you lift me up when Im down and never take me lower.

Been a blessing on my cell phone and now my new tablet.