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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:42 PM   #6751 (permalink)
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Haha!

Like I posted in the thread on this subject in the GNex forum, I think we all remember when Google changed the storage spec of the LTE GNex to 16GB on the google.com/nexus page. So for now I am leaning toward the explanation that some gungho employee inadvertantly removed the CDMA devices from the list somehow, similar to that little snafu...
Since all the CDMA devices are gone, I'm more or less going with the idea that they are separating them to eliminate confusion.

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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:42 PM   #6752 (permalink)
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Hi guys and gals, wanted to drop in and say hello. For those that are still having the "one-way audio" issue with their Galaxy Nexus (Nexi?) devices, please Star the issue on Google's web site. I've done a little digging and read plenty of people are having this problem and replacing the device does not fix the issue. The link is here. Thanks, and GO GIANTS!!
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 03:49 PM   #6753 (permalink)
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Another update by Kellex, saying almost exactly what you just said.

edit: And said it came from Phandroid... haha.
Sometimes my synapses do fire in the correct fashion.

I do like how that has made it to the bottom of the article so that it doesn't spoil the sensationalism of the rest of the article.
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Since all the CDMA devices are gone, I'm more or less going with the idea that they are separating them to eliminate confusion.
Maybe so, but if Google decides CDMA devices don't get developer phone status, I am going to go with their experience with Verizon pushing them to that decision...
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Maybe so, but if Google decides CDMA devices don't get developer phone status, I am going to go with their experience with Verizon pushing them to that decision...
Possibility if it is the case, but there was a Sprint Nexus before there was a Verizon Nexus and there is another Sprint Nexus just over the horizon. If they really wanted to get rid of anything I would think a relationship with Verizon in general would be the first choice.
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Possibility if it is the case, but there was a Sprint Nexus before there was a Verizon Nexus and there is another Sprint Nexus just over the horizon. If they really wanted to get rid of anything I would think a relationship with Verizon in general would be the first choice.
It's curious, because it would mean that for the first time, a Nexus is not a developer phone. If this all ends up being true, is Google going to change what the Nexus by definition is? Or is the GNex the last Nexus either Verizon or Sprint will ever see, at least until LTE VOIP replaces CDMA completely...
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Just can't imagine Google and VZW playing chicken with each other, at the risk of alienating the consumers. Can they be that stupid? Bad question?
I could say that nothing big corporations do surprises me any more, and while that would be the truth, the real reason I'm replying is to nominate your submission for Best Matched Post with Avatar for 2012, Freestyle Division.



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I could say that nothing big corporations do surprises me any more, and while that would be the truth, the real reason I'm replying is to nominate your submission for Best Matched Post with Avatar for 2012, Freestyle Division.



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Thanks Early...I think

Kinda seems like most of my posts match my avatar. Not sure what that says about me though.

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Hello! This is a quick clarification about support for CDMA devices.
For various technical reasons, recent CDMA Android devices implement core telephony functionality in .apk files provided in binary form by the carriers. To function correctly, these .apk files must be signed by the so-called “platform” key. However, when an individual creates a custom build from the AOSP source code, they don’t use the same signing key as these CDMA flies were signed with.
The result is that these files don’t work properly, and pure AOSP builds running on these devices can’t place calls, access mobile data, and so on. Because we aim to make sure that we are as clear as possible about the degree of support that devices have, we updated the docs over at source.android.com to reflect this reality.
We will still make available as many as possible of the closed-source binaries for these devices, and Nexus devices will continue to have unlockable bootloaders. And, of course, GSM/HSPA+ devices are still supported, as are any other devices we’re able to support. We’ve simply updated the documentation to be clearer about the current extent of CDMA support.
We are of course always working to improve support, and we’ll keep everyone updated as we make improvements. Thanks as always for your interest in AOSP!
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Update from Google:
Translation anybody? Are they saying that those who unlock and install custom ROMs are not "supported"? Are they disavowing even stock builds?
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Translation anybody? Are they saying that those who unlock and install custom ROMs are not "supported"? Are they disavowing even stock builds?
That's their way of saying "we hate Verizon and their shenanigans "
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Translation anybody? Are they saying that those who unlock and install custom ROMs are not "supported"? Are they disavowing even stock builds?
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CDMA is different from GSM. The files for GSM can be used by developers without fear of screwing people up too much. The CDMA files have been used by a bunch of N00B devs and people lost the ability to make calls or get data so we pulled the info for now. It will come back later when we have proper instructions so the n00bs don't mess people up. BTW, we hate Verizon and wish they would leave us alone.
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CDMA is different from GSM. The files for GSM can be used by developers without fear of screwing people up too much. The CDMA files have been used by a bunch of N00B devs and people lost the ability to make calls or get data so we pulled the info for now. It will come back later when we have proper instructions so the n00bs don't mess people up. BTW, we hate Verizon and wish they would leave us alone.
Maybe I can understand taking a beat with respect to the devs that customize and screw up. But even those who have not modded a thing? What did Google expect?
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Thanks Early...I think

Kinda seems like most of my posts match my avatar. Not sure what that says about me though.
I intended only the highest compliment, I assure you. If you look at your post minus the bad question part, I think you'll see why I am still in stitches.

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CDMA is different from GSM. The files for GSM can be used by developers without fear of screwing people up too much. The CDMA files have been used by a bunch of N00B devs and people lost the ability to make calls or get data so we pulled the info for now. It will come back later when we have proper instructions so the n00bs don't mess people up. BTW, we hate Verizon and wish they would leave us alone.
Haha. Thanks OTD. And Early. You both were pretty much spot on the entire time, OTD about the reasoning, and Early about DL jumping to conclusions.
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Haha. Thanks OTD. And Early. You both were pretty much spot on the entire time, OTD about the reasoning, and Early about DL jumping to conclusions.
That comes from spending far too much time watching people freak out and jump to conclusions over the simplest of things. I don't think I can count the number of times I had to say the phrase, "Everyone calm down..." during the mega thread. lol
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Well this also explains why there has been little development with the 4g xoom.
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That comes from spending far too much time watching people freak out and jump to conclusions over the simplest of things. I don't think I can count the number of times I had to say the phrase, "Everyone calm down..." during the mega thread. lol
Yeah. Can you imagine what that thread would have done with news like this? If Google announced prior to release they weren't supporting it as a "developer" phone? Yikes.
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That comes from spending far too much time watching people freak out and jump to conclusions over the simplest of things. I don't think I can count the number of times I had to say the phrase, "Everyone calm down..." during the mega thread. lol
Ha, I remember it well. Here is on OBG from OTD:






Fun Fact: 93 instances of "calm down" on the superthread, mostly from OTD, Steven and...BB.

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I'll bet a repeated-phrase analysis of the pre-release thread would prove interesting.
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I'll bet a repeated-phrase analysis of the pre-release thread would prove interesting.
162 instances of "banned"
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Man if anyone reads the official explanation it says that its cuz or radio singing files meaning that open source android builds will not give you the ability to make calls it get data ... and that's 100% BS I know alot of people here are rooted and modded as myself and we have no probloms making phone calls or reviving or transmitting data .... so if it that aintt the problom then it has to be some Google verizon crap .... and for their customers sake they need to get over themselfs and let it be ...

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I'd be interested to know how many time "hate" and "Verizon" were used in the same sentence.
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I'd be interested to know how many time "hate" and "Verizon" were used in the same sentence .
I'd be interested to know how many time "hate" and "Verizon" were used in the same sentence by Han.

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I mean, my concern is that if I send mine back and get another, it'd be even worse! Then what do I do? Go back and say "uh, actually, can I get the first one back"?
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I'd put a large bet on the winner being "Everyone needs to calm down."
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I mean, my concern is that if I send mine back and get another, it'd be even worse! Then what do I do? Go back and say "uh, actually, can I get the first one back"?
Do you think the manufacture date makes a difference? There was a thread in the GN forum, but nothing new has been posted there in over two weeks.
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I mean, my concern is that if I send mine back and get another, it'd be even worse! Then what do I do? Go back and say "uh, actually, can I get the first one back"?

I'd put a large bet on the winner being "Everyone needs to calm down."
Um, I am going to go with "ninja'd"
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Ugh, new handset, no one way audio issues for first two weeks and then today...happened ten minutes into a call.
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Ugh, new handset, no one way audio issues for first two weeks and then today...happened ten minutes into a call.
That sucks. Any idea when the new unit was manufactured? Wondering if Sammy is making any corrections as time goes by.
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Ugh, new handset, no one way audio issues for first two weeks and then today...happened ten minutes into a call.
Holy crap, me too. I went quite some time without that problem and it happened three times today. Things like that make me wonder if it's a carrier/regional issue. I see a lot of NC people - especially on the Eastern side of the state such as you and I - having this problem. I'm not saying it IS a carrier problem, but things like that make me go hmmmmm.
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About one way calls -

Obviously, I don't have an answer, but I want to float an idea or two and then let you cats decide if this has any merit.

The Evo 3D was widely reviewed as having bad call quality. We didn't care, with a return guarantee, we bought them anyway and found the results varied, mostly in the 3D's favor. So, we got into tweaking, etc etc.

But one day, I noticed that iHeartRadio force close (a problem we suffering increasingly), tied to when one of the bloatware games woke up, looked around, and then went supposedly to sleep.

But what really happened was that bloatware was using what we call in programming shared memory and it wasn't using it correctly. I rooted and uninstalled that and found that not only did iHeartRadio stop force closing, my call quality shot up through the roof and has been great ever since.

So - last I heard, you cats don't have a crappy bloatware problem.

BUT - three things: 1) the phone is just an app in Android and may be getting its audio services memory abused by something else, 2) there was a known hardware issue with the radios in the CDMA model that Google fixed with a software process to bump the radio (think: like a heartbeat) to keep the radio working properly so therefore software service integrity is mega-important to your VZW Gnex, and 3) you might be able to pool your talents and monitor your phones to see if you can find some app or service either starting or shutting down that corresponds to the timing of the onset of the one-way call problem.

I recommend System Tuner, and I will caution that it's not for the casual user.

I might suggest that if a few of you, a little more computer-inclined, were to start, you might try the record feature under its Task Mgr (you can see the results under Analyzer after finishing a recording), and let it monitor for hours. See if the periodic activities from apps or processes correspond to time of trouble. Strongly suggest you try some brief recordings first to work through the tool's mechanics, say multiple 5 to 15 minute runs (and note there are settings strewn about for what it records).

In addition, System Tuner also features a very, very good system log reader (aLogcat to those more Android savvy of such things). And for offline viewing, there's no substitute for the aLogcat app, free in the Market, where you can freeze the log and then use menu, share, to mail it to yourself.

Being a chiphead, I got by with the free version of System Tuner and then also monitoring via adb when I was looking for things. I don't even want to try to explain how and what I did, nothing personal, but if you don't already know, this isn't the time to learn.

So, if my idea has merit, I'd recommend the paid version of System Tuner - and be forewarned that I might have a bad idea and any investment in that app could be something that you might regret spending on for no results, so please try the free version and see if my idea makes sense first.

And even if you have an app force closing, that might be the symptom and not the problem, remember my iHeartRadio would force close when it was a bloatware game at fault for everything.

Hope this helps, we can noodle a little bit here and if a few of you want to give it a go, please make a support thread in the VZW Gnex forum, and tell me the link here if you'd like me to kibitz on your efforts.

Thought I'd mention it all here first, because I wanted to start with you cats who know me well enough to know a little of how I think and how easy I am to talk to about things.

Anyway, it's just a thought.

PS - if this path is taken, really good idea for everyone to specify all the build info they have on their phones' hardware and software in that hypothetical monitoring thread.
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That sucks. Any idea when the new unit was manufactured? Wondering if Sammy is making any corrections as time goes by.
No, there is no date on it anywhere. It is the original baseband .09 as was my last phone. I have made it two weeks before this started, but that was about the same on the original handset. It is frustrating, I am going to follow up with Lucky Armpits suggestion.
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About one way calls -

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Anyway, it's just a thought.
This is kind of what I have been thinking. It would seem that something is not playing nice and your idea and example are good starts. I have been studying logs filed in "Android System Info"whenever this happens and have not found any patterns. I am going to go over your suggestion more carefully and see if this is something I think I can do. Thanks for your input!
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Log monitoring hint - reset your phone, and write down the start-up time. Then you can relate relative times when they may appear in the logs to real time.

Also, sharing an add-on app inventory is helpful to look for common clues, and maybe best if there is as much rom commonality as possible.
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Holy crap, me too. I went quite some time without that problem and it happened three times today. Things like that make me wonder if it's a carrier/regional issue. I see a lot of NC people - especially on the Eastern side of the state such as you and I - having this problem. I'm not saying it IS a carrier problem, but things like that make me go hmmmmm.
Sorry its happening to you as well, it is very frustrating. I also am suspicious of the carrier side, the one i had today was at 4:54 20 sec. Curious if any of your three happened at that time. The call was incoming from a land-line phone in Clover, SC at 4:50 . I am south of you on OKI.
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Log monitoring hint - reset your phone, and write down the start-up time. Then you can relate relative times when they may appear in the logs to real time.

Also, sharing an add-on app inventory is helpful to look for common clues, and maybe best if there is as much rom commonality as possible.
Lol, I just did that when I pulled the battery to see if there was a date code under the battery. The funny thing was it erased the old logs that I was going to screen save to see if you recognized anything. Oh well, maybe next time. The other thing of note is the new log started on 12/31 until the phone was completely reset then jumped to the current date and time 1:16 seconds into the log. It was a little confusing at first, but I think it coincided with the clock reset. Thanks for your input!
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No, there is no date on it anywhere. It is the original baseband .09 as was my last phone. I have made it two weeks before this started, but that was about the same on the original handset. It is frustrating, I am going to follow up with Lucky Armpits suggestion.
sounds like it doesn't matter when the phone was built. But if you're interested, there is a Samsung registration site that will tell you when it was manufactured.

http://androidforums.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus/478164-when-your-gnex-manufactured.html
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sounds like it doesn't matter when the phone was built. But if you're interested, there is a Samsung registration site that will tell you when it was manufactured.

http://androidforums.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus/478164-when-your-gnex-manufactured.html
Thanks, I will do that.
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sounds like it doesn't matter when the phone was built. But if you're interested, there is a Samsung registration site that will tell you when it was manufactured.

http://androidforums.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus/478164-when-your-gnex-manufactured.html

Its funny that you bring this up. My build date is 11-25-11 and I purchased the Gnex on release day (12-15-12).

^^^ So we all were going crazy in the pre-release thread why VZW was taking so long to release the GNex. And the whole time it looks like it was
a supply problem. If the phone was built in Korea on 11-25-11, it would take a few days to package it and than ship.
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Holy crap, me too. I went quite some time without that problem and it happened three times today. Things like that make me wonder if it's a carrier/regional issue. I see a lot of NC people - especially on the Eastern side of the state such as you and I - having this problem. I'm not saying it IS a carrier problem, but things like that make me go hmmmmm.
Ok, ever since you posted this, I've wanted to respond with some positive encouragement but have been inhibited that I'd come across sounding like Mr. Big WhoopDeDoo. Anyway, I'm not going to sweat that, and just spit out what I have to say and hope that my credit is good enough to be read as I hope to be, even if I screw up the wording and come across wrong.

Your idea about tying it to the regional carrier characteristic - bravo. A general thing running throughout my life's work has been in testing things - and you've taken a HUGE step there, putting you in a system tester class:

Look for any factors and put them out there. Never hold back, never second guess yourself, put the ideas for factors out there, because you can always dismiss the bad ones later, but you might hit the right one early and forget it if you don't put it out there. So, bravo!

The next step is just as hard:

Be flexible about how you look at ideas and causes behind them.


That sounds mega-simple, but is WAY tricky, and group feedback and brainstorming REALLY helps.

For example - if it's regional, what might change? What could VZW be doing on a regional basis to make the problem worse? Instead of first puzzling that out, as a pro tester, my first step is to not change the idea, just turn it on its ear:

If VZW is doing something different on the tower signals in that region, what processes might change on the phone, despite having to guess about the towers? OR: Are there other factors in that region that might affect processes on the phone?

And right away, my instincts kick in - lot of people in that region, lot of services under demand - what if it's based on a software priority for syncing data via the internet during peak loads in that region that is causing a conflict with the phone software that ought be at higher priority?

Right away, I would look for two volunteers to compare during a peak time in a similar location in the region, one with all syncing off, the other with it all on, and then make repeated test calls for a hour or two (just to the home phone, "mary had a little lamb" calls) and see if the idea could be correlated.

Just an idea to illustrate because sometimes, simple experiments are the best.

It may interest you Nexicans to know that we had a slew of Froyo adoption problems for the Evo 4G at the end of July/beginning of August 2010, and we worked together like this in our device forum here, nailed our problems, and came up with a simple flow of 1-2-3 things to do that got virtually everyone out of hot water with their early Froyo adoption.

We put it into one thread, it took the whole group working together, but the power of teamwork came through and we won. It wasn't any one person or type of person that made that effort happen - it was the group, just saying to heck with it, this phone is not going to beat us.

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Lol, I just did that when I pulled the battery to see if there was a date code under the battery. The funny thing was it erased the old logs that I was going to screen save to see if you recognized anything. Oh well, maybe next time. The other thing of note is the new log started on 12/31 until the phone was completely reset then jumped to the current date and time 1:16 seconds into the log. It was a little confusing at first, but I think it coincided with the clock reset. Thanks for your input!
Welcome, and way sorry I didn't warn about that! Android is Linux, so the logging is there - but without a hard drive and lots of space, logs don't accumulate like desktop Linux.

BTW, and this is MEGA IMPORTANT on sharing logs:

Please don't copy and paste logs into your posts!

Please instead copy them into a txt file (up to about 56kB) and attach that, or into something that you can save a PDF and attach that, or into a series of text files that you zip and attack the zip.

The key to log analysis is being able to read and search. Long logs (and they will get long quickly) simple swamp page formatting here, and letting the gang download and search/examine logs on the desktop is MUCH better. If you're using Windows, WordPad is best for viewing them, just copy the log from your mail into a WordPad doc, and save it as txt.
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PS - Goes without saying that if you cats want to pursue the path I'm suggesting, we mods and guides can move or even copy posts out of here into that suggested testing/ideas thread.

Again - I'm not telling anyone what to do or even what they should do (I don't believe in shoulding all over people ), I'm just giving an idea on how to organize if some of you cats want to give that idea a shot.
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Just a thought on the silent call issue.

I've had a few audio apps get rather choppy once the screen shuts off. Possible that the same bug affecting output could affect input or transmission in the similar circumstances.
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I've had a few audio apps get rather choppy once the screen shuts off. Possible that the same bug affecting output could affect input or transmission in the similar circumstances.
+1 great observable!

I would submit that it's more than WAY possible.

Android = Linux + Dalvik Virtual Machine + apps

All apps run inside the Dalvik Virtual Machine and use Linux library services.

The common base of Linux library library services is what makes Android apps compact and efficient. The heavy lifting is done by tried and true GNU/Linux utilites.

And all it takes to send things a little south is for an app to abuse how it is using those services.

So, unlike an iPhone or a BlackBerry or Win phone, with Android, the phone app doesn't bloat up and include everything it needs - and since audio is involved in a call, several Linux library services package the audio before it gets to the radios.

And in Linux, audio is just audio. It wont care if it's for listening to Ethel Merman belting out There's No Business Like Show Business! or for voice processing to call a pal.

In other words, parts is parts.

That abusive game software that bloated my 3vo - sound effects for the game.

I'm going to bet that the root cause here will end up being a forehead-slapping, Oh yeah, that was obvious! once it's found. And I think the trick is to turn over stones until it is.

Show of hands as an on-going example of my tester methodology - how many here suffering the call problem are using their phones as a music player that day? Video player? Web media player?

Sorry if I'm hogging the discussion, I promise I'll lay back a bit now.
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I am starting believe that ICS is having problems running the hardware on the few devices that run it. It would seem so with no updates to fix the current issues.
ICS is all new and everyone thought that the Razr and the Rezound would have officially had ICS at this point.

My point is that we maybe wanting for an ICS polishing and that would mean 4.1.0 as the rumors grow on.
Lets face it 4.0.3 is not doing much.
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