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Old May 23rd, 2012, 06:05 PM   #14301 (permalink)
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BB, did your romance with Darth occur yet? Did it fizzle, or was it epic??

Epic. It would definitely fall under epic.

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Word's out that the OTA is pushing!

Is the third time the charm? OTA package for Verizon Galaxy Nexus now available from Google | Android Central

File is also available for the impatient to flash if you're rooted & stock:

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I can't remember? If installed when prompted from phone doesn't this unroot and relock if you are rooted and unlocked?
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Unroot, I think yes, relock, no. Correct me someone if I'm wrong.
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Nothing for me, but I am on the leaked 4.04 so I might not get it?
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Checking in to say 'ello!

As much as I would like to chat I want to ask a question of the parents out there...

Any of your children catch Fifths Disease? It is a unvaccineable[sic] virus which presents some flu-like symptoms, including diarrhea, as well as rash on arms, legs, and most commonly, the face. First time Cooper has had any sickness in his 19 months. In any case, crazy few days of stress to find out this info. On top of that work is killing me.

/vent, parental worry, worrying.

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Jmar, our son (also Cooper) had it when he was around 2 or 3. What a pain, for him and for us watching helpless; I can remember it even from ~16 years ago. Rashes all over, but worst thing was sores on his tongue. Had to put some rinse on the sores that foamed up. He was miserable. But it did eventually pass with no permanent scars. I think it was gone in a few days.

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Jmar, our son (also Cooper) had it when he was around 2 or 3. What a pain, for him and for us watching helpless; I can remember it even from ~16 years ago. Rashes all over, but worst thing was sores on his tongue. Had to put some rinse on the sores that foamed up. He was miserable. But it did eventually pass with no permanent scars. I think it was gone in a few days.

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Did he grab at his tongue? Would that indicate sores on his tongue? Thanks for the response.

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Sorry it took me a bit getting to this, been a bit busy and the forum has been sluggish...

NOTICE: THE FOLLOWING IS MY THOUGHTS ONLY, it is not meant to cause a riot or what not. This is a friendly chat of why I feel I am not into android as much as I was. No. I have not been brainwashed by Apple, though if I was, I would not say so anyway

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Here goes...

- Updates: The bloat (aside from a select few phones) this along with different carrier frequencies and the "openness" of android (why are the damn boot loaders locked?) means a sporadic and infrequent update and some phones may not even get the update(s). How many phones are still stuck on gingerbread?

- Device integration. I do hate to admit it because iTunes blows, but I think Apple has the bees knees with this. All the devices are part of a family. Trying to plug my nexus into my PC (and Xoom) which use a MTP transfer protocol that for some reason, windows does not like is just annoying. Its like trying to fit two puzzle pieces together that don't fit.

- Android is starting to become the "windows" of smart phones. They are cheap and quick to make, just like prebuilt computers you buy off the shelf. They are loaded with windows, made with cheap parts and bloated down. Now, granted, not all android devices are cheaply made. I am actually glad my nexus is plastic, err, excuse me, polycarbonate as it should absorb shock better if dropped. Device manufacturers seem keen on putting out quantity over quality. Come on, a "flagship device" with radio issues!? Whisky Tango Foxtrot. And then not 6 months later, a new flagship device is hitting the street. I am tired of this leapfrogging.

- Rooting. This is really starting to become a moot point for me. I unlocked my nexus and rooted it. I have done NOTHING with it. My Droid x, is rooted, I have a custom rom on it. I can't even use the phone anymore because its to the point the apps require more power then the phone can dish out. Not quite androids fault, but still. I have a phone eating data charges for sitting on my nightstand dead. The only thing I need root access for now is to back up my phone. But, since I really don't root or rom, this is a moot point too. Its becoming a PITA to do any changes to my device anyway.

- Being led on. Yes. I feel this. My Xoom was suppose to be a "developer device" It was the argument I made to myself to justify buying the thing. The wifi version is getting more love, but it seems the GSM version is getting even more love then that. The verizon nexus was sold to us as a developer device and even GOOGLE put a stop to that, at least for the CDMA devices. Guess if you want something to play with you need a GSM phone. I can kind of see this since GSM has a larger network then CDMA.

- My own personal music collection. How irritating it is to have my music split up into separate albums. It is just a complete fail.

- Google is a bit annoying. Like with passwords. Look. I love how its integrated but I forgot my password once and was locked out of my account and it SUCKED trying to get signed in. (this is personal preference and don't have much to do with android)

- App selection. Yeah, android has some good apps, but many that I have paid for, I don't even use now. iOS seems to have its stuff more together. (this is a personal observation! Not everyone here will have the same niche I do, photography and weather).

- Accessories. My Xoom has a 20$ USB pigtail to plug my camera into, or mouse or keyboard, but the device is not designed the way it should be. If I dock the Xoom, I cannot use the pigtail OTG cable. Whisky Tango Foxtrot!? Now, if they made USB passthrough, then it would be a few points for this little OTG cable. But they did not. Worse yet, when I did get the cable, I plugged my camera in and found out, it don't support RAW files. When I had the iPad 1, it supported raw files and my Xoom don't.

There are TONS of accessories for iDevices (I guess that is to be expected from the brute force that is Apple, not to mention the monopoly they have.)

Look, seriously, I abhor the legal garbage and iron fist that Apple has. I know I talk smack about Apple and hate the way they operate. I know iTunes frustrated me beyond belief because my legally ripped music library had to be moved to a different hard drive, but its good to know my purchased TV shows and apps are still in the cloud. I also find Apples devices are built solid. My MBPs are solid, The iPod I had, solid. The iPad, Solid. Everything seems to be so well thought out and built. When one iPhone has an update, they all do. Regular updates are refreshing. No this, "Some devices will get the update, depending on carrier"

To me, Apple seems like an ecosystem. Android, just a bunch of haphazardly pushed out devices, some with radio issues, and some that don't play well, or, at least to me, logically, with my computer. And here comes a long-awaited update for my device, and I get to play the game all over again if I take the OTA because it will break root. Then I need to fight with windows to make the drivers work and then restore and download my stuff. I don't think I want to mess with that anymore. I guess that is one reason I have been put off from hacking my phone.

Now, I will say android has gotten good in some key areas. ICS. I really like ICS, I like swiping away my windows and notifications and recent apps. Its fun and a logical way of doing things. gingerbread, umm... well, perhaps if I put rubber gloves on, yeah, I could use gingerbread again (sorry GB users )

I have used android phones since the very first. The t-mobile G1, or HTC dream Perhaps its time for a change.

I got two lines not really being used, one for another 18 months and that is my droid x. I can upgrade at full price and go month to month, or pay a 300+ dollar ETF. The droid x is not getting used.

So, there you have it. I have a pros and cons list sitting next to me featuring most of these bullet points. Right now the pros for my nexus has only two entries....

Screen size. And ICS. And 8 cons...

As you can see, this was not a quick haste decision. This has been brewing for a while and after I started to write things down, well... yeah

Now, don't get me wrong here. I do believe each system has their place and there should be room for both operating system (I am leaving RIM and windows out because I don't even know about them) and I do wish the bickering and elitism would stop.
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Holy wall of text, Batman!
Anyway, thanks for throwing it out there aj. I certainly have times where I want to throw my Nexus against the wall. But, I could never move to Apple. As much of an ecosystem they have, and the updates and the accessories, the few times I've played with iDevices I came away so bored. I mean, yeah, they work just fine, but I just don't care for em.
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Morning all!


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I won't begrudge you a move to Apple. I personally would buy an iPad if I had the extra cash lying around, as combination of hardware and apps can't be beat by an Android tablet, yet . The difference between you and a large portion of the iNation, is you gave both a shot, and found Apple more to your liking. Not because its the cool thing to do, but for you, its the right thing to do. No shame in that.

As far as the bickering and elitism, I would like to point out that this is mostly in the fanboy realms, the folks who refuse to be fair about discussions and comparisons between iOS and Android. And it goes both ways. No one is a better, or more intelligent human being for choosing one over the other. If anything I would say you are more intelligent than the vast majority for giving both a shot before making your final decision.

Whatever you decide, you are alway welcome to stick around
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Good Morning Gnexers!

(1) AJ, I know you're frustrated with Android and are eyeing Apple. But whatever you decide know this: your contribution to these forums is greatly appreciated. If you decide to stick it out with us, that's great! If you decide to go iOS, then I sincerely wish you well and you're always welcome to come back and visit... and tell us how things are going.

(2) I am sick of waiting so I downloaded the 4.0.4 update from Google... but I have a sinking feeling that I can't use it. Will the bootloader install a zip from the SD partition without being unlocked? Or is that capability reserved for unlocked bootloaders?

(3) I am trying to devise a plan to get everything off my phone so I can unlock & root it. Anything that was going to fail on my phone would have done so in the first few months... I don't expect it to suddenly need warranty work now.
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Wait, do you're finally going to root, Chief?!?! Woohoo!
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(1) AJ, I know you're frustrated with Android and are eyeing Apple. But whatever you decide know this: your contribution to these forums is greatly appreciated. If you decide to stick it out with us, that's great! If you decide to go iOS, then I sincerely wish you well and you're always welcome to come back and visit... and tell us how things are going.

(2) I am sick of waiting so I downloaded the 4.0.4 update from Google... but I have a sinking feeling that I can't use it. Will the bootloader install a zip from the SD partition without being unlocked? Or is that capability reserved for unlocked bootloaders?

(3) I am trying to devise a plan to get everything off my phone so I can unlock & root it. Anything that was going to fail on my phone would have done so in the first few months... I don't expect it to suddenly need warranty work now.
I could swear you can install an OTA zip without rooting or having unlocked bootloader, I am pretty sure I did that with my incredible.
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Well, I'm gonna try it!
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Chief, if you root, load CWM, and do a nandroid before you unlock the bootloader you can restore everything from the backup. You may want to offload the backup to your PC before you unlock. I use AppExtractor Pro (~$2) and I can pull everything out of the backup file (SMS/MMS and app data as well).
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Chief, if you root, load CWM, and do a nandroid before you unlock the bootloader you can restore everything from the backup. You may want to offload the backup to your PC before you unlock. I use AppExtractor Pro (~$2) and I can pull everything out of the backup file (SMS/MMS and app data as well).
Wait a minute:

I thought I had to unlock the bootloader first, THEN root. In which case I can't do a nandroid first!

My solution - feeble as my mind is this time of morning - is to copy the entire "data" sub-folder from the Android folder onto my PC. And back up my messaging.

Once on the other side of the unlock/root, can I not just copy the data sub-folder back to the phone, restore my messages, reboot and rock on?
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I thought I had to unlock the bootloader first, THEN root. In which case I can't do a nandroid first!

My solution - feeble as my mind is this time of morning - is to copy the entire "data" sub-folder from the Android folder onto my PC. And back up my messaging.

Once on the other side of the unlock/root, can I not just copy the data sub-folder back to the phone, restore my messages, reboot and rock on?
Nope you can root first
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Well, I am not the foremost expert, but I believe with root you are able to flash ROMs and update.zips (otherwise Moto would never be able to flash Roms). However to flash custom kernels, radios etc. SEPARATELY You must have unlocked bootloader.
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Ha, about none!
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Ugh, AF is slow as molasses again. I'm just keeping open several tabs so I don't have to wait for pages to load. Anyone else seeing this?
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Ugh, AF is slow as molasses again. I'm just keeping open several tabs so I don't have to wait for pages to load. Anyone else seeing this?
I always have 10-15 tabs open, this isn't as bad as yesterday, but it is a little laggy.
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I always have 10-15 tabs open, this isn't as bad as yesterday, but it is a little laggy.
Yeah, I've been hanging out in the EVO 4G LTE area talking with those folks. They're all so excited. I figure if they're the ones slowing the site down, might as well join them.

And, damn, 10-15 tabs! My wife always nags me when I have more than a few open.
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Devils won and brought the series 3-2 and next game is at home. I'd love to win the East at home and then start the cup next week.

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Wait, do you're finally going to root, Chief?!?! Woohoo!
Dread, I've fallen back onto the "non-root" side of the fence. I like stock. I don't really NEED a ROM on this thing.

Between Google Music only allowing so many shots at this (and only 10 de-authorizations) and Wallet not wanting to cooperate with rooted users, I am very hesitant to proceed.

I have said many times: I have my phone just the way I want it. It works very well, despite the occasional PITA connectivity thing. Unlocking and rooting, just to get a jump on an OTA that may show up in the next 48 hours anyway, seems like a step forward and two steps back for me.

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Great to hear!! When I first used it on my Bionic, I was like "holy crap! this is fast". Works great when tethering to my Prime too; nearly as fast as my home wifi.
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Seriously, AF is crawling. I'm trying to move threads and PM people, and it's becoming a chore. Ugh. Keep getting nginx errors (and don't even know what they are?).
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Haha, for real! I really thought we'd be the last to get it or left in the dark totally. Our town literally has a population of less than 1,500 and it's 20 miles to the nearest city. City of 20,000 to the east 20 miles and one of 40,000 to the west 20 miles. The city of 40,000 didn't even have 4G last week, I guess they turned those on too. The other one has had it for a while now because it's on the outskirts of a semi-major metro area of around 400k. I had noticed the last month or two the signal was spreading our direction from that town and I guess they turned the other one on too and we're getting the benefits.
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Haha, for real! I really thought we'd be the last to get it or left in the dark totally. Our town literally has a population of less than 1,500 and it's 20 miles to the nearest city. City of 20,000 to the east 20 miles and one of 40,000 to the west 20 miles. The city of 40,000 didn't even have 4G last week, I guess they turned those on too. The other one has had it for a while now because it's on the outskirts of a semi-major metro area of around 400k. I had noticed the last month or two the signal was spreading our direction from that town and I guess they turned the other one on too and we're getting the benefits.
Yeah, my town is almost 30k, with an additional 20k in college students. No sign yet of 4G, it's still about 20 miles away.
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Oh goodness so slow.

Moving threads, editing my posts and PMing users is becoming impossible.
Yeah, I'm now up to 7 AF tabs just to keep up. Ugh. And, it's definitely not the EVO LTE guys, there's barely any action going on over there.
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Hello all, it's been a while but I have a quick question. I have unlocked and rooted my gnex since release but never did anything to it. Will the OTA still push to my phone since i'm running stock 4.0.2?
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Hello all, it's been a while but I have a quick question. I have unlocked and rooted my gnex since release but never did anything to it. Will the OTA still push to my phone since i'm running stock 4.0.2?
Yes, although it may break root.
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Well, I'm sure you guys already vented about this a week or so ago, but I just now saw it, regarding Verizon's latest "F-U" to its customers:

Verizon unlimited-data customers can keep plans -- with a caveat - latimes.com

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This means that, for example, if a Verizon customer wants to keep his unlimited data plan and buys a 16GB iPhone 4S from Verizon after its data share plans have launched, that customer would not pay the current subsized price of $199 for the handset. Instead, he would have to pay the full retail price of $649.
As a result, Verizon customers with unlimited data plans may want to buy their next phone now, or in the future they will have to decide if keeping their plan is worth a a couple hundred bucks.
My wife and I have decided that we are jumping to AT&T in the fall. She's an iSheep, and the iPhone 5 will probably be available then. Will we get a dramatically improved plan at AT&T? Nope. But we are so sick of Verizon's shitty tactics that this is the only move for us. AT&T's LTE is great in the Chicago area anyway.


Actually, once they do away with unlimited data, that changes the contract for us, which means we can cancel immediately with no early-termination fee. That's probably the way to go.
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Verizon unlimited-data customers can keep plans -- with a caveat - latimes.com




My wife and I have decided that we are jumping to AT&T in the fall. She due for an upgrade, she's an iSheep, and the iPhone 5 will probably be available then. Will we get a dramatically improved plan at AT&T? Nope. But we are so sick of Verizon's shitty tactics that this is the only move for us. Their LTE is great in the Chicago area anyway.


Actually, once they do away with unlimited data, that changes the contract for us, which means we can cancel immediately with no early-termination fee. That's probably the way to go.
They aren't going to remove your unlimited until you take the action to upgrade, they will be honoring the current contract until you renew. So no get out of jail free card unfortunately.
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