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Happy Wednesday!! Yay for our pre wedding and birthday boys. Both days will be here before ya know it.
Things are in full swing here in trying to keep the 10 year old from bouncing off the walls in excitement and making sure we have the essentials. Not that we couldn't buy them in Lake George.
Don't know how much I'll be able to check in today. Play nice!
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Happy Wednesday!! Yay for our pre wedding and birthday boys. Both days will be here before ya know it.
Things are in full swing here in trying to keep the 10 year old from bouncing off the walls in excitement and making sure we have the essentials. Not that we couldn't buy them in Lake George.
Don't know how much I'll be able to check in today. Play nice!
Enjoy your time away BB - you deserve it!
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Hi all,
I figure I'd join in on the fun here, i've had a galaxy nexus for a long time now and will never go back to anything else. I currently work as a software engineer in the customer operations and support side. I have one year left of university before I am freeeee!
I'll finish my into with a cool time lapse I took on the Gnex while in Maui last week
Hey everyone, well, the proverbial crap hit the fan today at work... Don't know how long, but my attendance here will be light for the next few days... hopefully only a few days
Welcome to the watering hole, Marc!
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I'm starting to thing that Ouya will be better than the NQ. My only issue with it is that when it finally comes out it will be using the Tegra 3 and Ouya won't be coming out until March, I think, which would be Q1 of 2013. I believe the Tegra 4 comes out Q1 of 2013?
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With Jelly bean, I stopped roming my phone. I keep it rooted just in case there are any mods I might want to put, but I have stock Jelly Bean and I can't go back. First thing I would do is figure out how I'm going to customize this bad boys - wallpapers - widgets etc. go to the online play store and see what you can find!
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Thanks I'm still looking into the pros to rooting I'm all new to android. I assume it's similar to jailbreaking?
Yep. And welcome to Android!
Rooting simply gives you access to the phone's operating system. It allows you to do all the wonderful things that Android has to offer... instead of just what Verizon insists you use. For example:
You can ditch bloatware.
You can change the kernel, which allows the processor to operate at faster speeds when you need it and slower speeds when you don't - great battery saver!
You can completely change operating systems, getting rid of the stock Verizon ROM and installing a custom ROM that has so many more options to customize your phone and make it truly your own.
You can backup all your apps and data.
You can make nandroid backups. A nandroid takes a snapshot image of the phone's current state - the whole thing - and saves it as a zip file in internal memory. If you do accidentally something that horribly mucks up the phone (or you install malware that takes over), you can simply wipe the phone and restore the nandroid... putting your phone right back to that last good state without setting anything back up.
I think you will find that the benefits of rooting far outweigh the risks or disadvantages. My 0.02
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If you already have Wallet installed, there is no need to sideload. Just click the link to Play in this article and hit "Installed". It will push the update to your phone. I know, I just did this... and all my cards are now in Wallet!
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Hey everyone, well, the proverbial crap hit the fan today at work... Don't know how long, but my attendance here will be light for the next few days... hopefully only a few days
Wow...sorry to hear that. Hope everything is okay!
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Hey everyone, well, the proverbial crap hit the fan today at work... Don't know how long, but my attendance here will be light for the next few days... hopefully only a few days
Welcome to the watering hole, Marc!
Sorry anti, don't know how I missed this. You'll make it.
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Hey everyone, well, the proverbial crap hit the fan today at work... Don't know how long, but my attendance here will be light for the next few days... hopefully only a few days
Welcome to the watering hole, Marc!
Wow. Sending good thoughts your way. You'll be ok.
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If you already have Wallet installed, there is no need to sideload. Just click the link to Play in this article and hit "Installed". It will push the update to your phone. I know, I just did this... and all my cards are now in Wallet!
Oh boy this is amazing. Just loaded and color coded all my credit cards. I hope one day they can detect what kind of card is and display that picture in the app like the screenshots do for the Discover card.
And a great explanation of what is going on here...
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It's not all quite as rosy as it sounds, however. There was a reason why those other cards weren't supported from day one: competing programs like ISIS. Google hasn't magically made agreements with all of these credit card companies; instead, it has changed the way Wallet works. With the new app, any cards that you use on Google Wallet online (once called Google Checkout) or in the Play store will automatically appear in the app. The credit card data, of course, is stored in Google's servers instead of the secure NFC chip on your phone. When you make a purchase, the merchant doesn't see your credit card information — unless you're using one of Citi's MasterCards — instead, a "virtual" Google Wallet MasterCard is used. With this setup you likely won't see your purchases on your credit card statement from merchants — they'll show up as a Google Wallet charge instead.
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Son has a question I can't answer (and I know someone here can):
How, exactly, can Verizon tell from the data packets that a person is tethering, versus just using the phone a lot? I mean, he Skypes on the phone. He can also tether and Skype on the laptop.
Are there discrete "laptop" data tags that specifically identify that packet as laptop data so that Verizon knows he's tethering?
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Son has a question I can't answer (and I know someone here can):
How, exactly, can Verizon tell from the data packets that a person is tethering, versus just using the phone a lot? I mean, he Skypes on the phone. He can also tether and Skype on the laptop.
Are there discrete "laptop" data tags that specifically identify that packet as laptop data so that Verizon knows he's tethering?
I think this partially answers your question. It's from my Xoom thread but seems to apply to the issue at hand.
Courtesy of marctronixx: Trade 3G for WiFi If Tethering Works So Well?
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I think this partially answers your question. It's from my Xoom thread but seems to apply to the issue at hand.
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Okay....
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"there are certain gateways mobile phones connect thru to get to the internet vs. certain gateways their mobile cards go thru for example. plus the IP address of your phone is attached to any data that goes thru either device."
Is this saying that the laptop has a different IP address than the phone (I understand that); and even if the laptop is connected to the phone's internet, Verizon can see TWO discrete IP addresses piggy-backing in the same data packets, and therefore they know that multiple devices are using the same mobile internet connection?
Because this - bless marctronixx's heart - is confusing to me. Doesn't take much, you know!
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Is this saying that the laptop has a different IP address than the phone (I understand that); and even if the laptop is connected to the phone's internet, Verizon can see TWO discrete IP addresses piggy-backing in the same data packets, and therefore they know that multiple devices are using the same mobile internet connection?
Because this - bless marctronixx's heart - is confusing to me. Doesn't take much, you know!
I've already exceeded the limit of my technical knowledge
Where is marctronixx or Early when you need them?
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Is this saying that the laptop has a different IP address than the phone (I understand that); and even if the laptop is connected to the phone's internet, Verizon can see TWO discrete IP addresses piggy-backing in the same data packets, and therefore they know that multiple devices are using the same mobile internet connection?
Because this - bless marctronixx's heart - is confusing to me. Doesn't take much, you know!
Ok - there are several technologies at play here - I'll try to break them down.
1. Your phone and the internet
Methods vary by carrier. In the case of Sprint, all internet access goes through their proxy servers (centralized hub for routing internet traffic from phones to internet and back, Marc was referring to that example). Whether a proxy server is used or not, I'm sure we can all agree on the concept - the carrier knows what goes to your phone by definition.
2. Your phone and the carrier
Your phone will get an IP address from the carrier - they are acting as your ISP when you get the internet through them, after all.
3. Tethered devices
Your tethered devices don't get their own IP, recognized by the carrier, unless using carrier software (and even then, methods vary, so that's a maybe).
So basically, your phone starts doing the same thing that your home wifi router is doing - serving private addresses from one known public address.
And just as the cable or phone ISPs can determine how many devices are on a router if they want to, so can cell carriers.
The router tech is called Network Address Translation (NAT) - translating from one public address at the router point to individual addresses behind it. There's a data marker that the router tracks to know which internet message goes where - your PC or your kid's for example, with both running at the same time.
NAT packets can be detected.
The alternative to NAT is to set up the routing point - oh, I don't know, let's say a phone - as a proxy server - just like some carriers use. That's not easily detected, and was in the blogosphere this last year as such, for example, mentioned on XDA. But that was specialized software, I don't know if it's even still around. Whatever you do, don't search for FoxFi or its proxy add-on. Probably won't work.
Please do not violate your carrier terms of service - I'm sure no one here will do that. So, I don't think I need to monitor this much at all.
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Wow, I am in a bit of a shock right now. I loaded up weather underground to check the weather and noted one of my photos from the storms yesterday is on the front page!!
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Wow, I am in a bit of a shock right now. I loaded up weather underground to check the weather and noted one of my photos from the storms yesterday is on the front page!!
Very cool aj! Congrats!
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Early, that was helpful. How does deep packet inspection (DPI) fit in there? Within your #1? I have the sense that DPI equipment is quite common in carrier IP networks now and, because it can reassemble one's entire packet stream, provides much more capability than proxy servers. My industry reading on this is a bit dated, however.
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Early, that was helpful. How does deep packet inspection (DPI) fit in there? Within your #1? I have the sense that DPI equipment is quite common in carrier IP networks now and, because it can reassemble one's entire packet stream, provides much more capability than proxy servers. My industry reading on this is a bit dated, however.
Packet inspection sails very close to the wind.
Comcast got in trouble for it, and the matter is one of political debate involving Net Neutrality, the courts and the FCC.
Because of its highly political nature and my standing as a site representative, I am proscribed from further comments, sorry.
Searching for "site:androidforums.com EarlyMon net neutrality" may yield insight into my views expressed previously, no promises on the search results though.
For purposes of our discussion, let's put it all under the heading - carriers can know about your connectivity using various methods.
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Morning everyone!
Looks like we picked up some more friends here. Great! I was getting tired of the regulars anyway.
Welcome Marc and Bymis. I agree with the other folks and saying if you have any thoughts of rooting, do it pretty soon after you get your Nexus. If you want to hold off a few days or week or so, just don't go crazy with too much customization as you'll have to start all over again.
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