Not me, but I do like the way they handle and the grip angle is superb. My favorite part is the square presentation, I found that provided me with rapid acquisition of the sight picture, without distraction of incongruous shapes.
Turned out to be a bit fat for cc, so am going back to my SP101 (3" bbl) for now. I just don't like 9mm or 40 or any of that. lol.. it's either 45 or 357 for me.
Turned out to be a bit fat for cc, so am going back to my SP101 (3" bbl) for now. I just don't like 9mm or 40 or any of that. lol.. it's either 45 or 357 for me.
What Glock(s) do you have, IOWA?
Just picked up my first one and I have to say I like it. Picked up a 17 gen 4. I do have a 19 that really isn't mine but my dads, which I'll be returning now.
anyone running any mods?
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I have a 19 and 26. I usually use the 26 for concealed carry in the summer and the 19 in the winter.
So you carry on your person all the time? I'm finding more and more women are getting away from the handbag thing, which is good, as that always seemed way dangerous for more than one reason.
I handled that baby Glock at the store here and thought that I'd not be very good shooting it, as my whole little finger and part of my ring finger were below the magazine foot. I loved the size for cc, but thought twice about it because of the grip.
The 30SF fits my hand ok, but again, I found myself getting self-conscious about it due to its size, even in my iwb holster (no way I'd use the paddle holster with that, which I can with my good old Ruger SP101 ).
Anyway, I'm going to go over the whole Glock lineup at the store for a new semi-auto cc weapon. Maybe something will seem right.
I always had this "problem" with plastic guns. Thought they were cheap-ish. Then I shot one. A friend has a 17 and a 23 (9mm, and .40) wow was I wrong. Seriously accurate for me. They feel perfect in hand, and like Frisco said, have a great sight picture. I may be getting one, instead of the Kimber I had my eyes on.
Just picked up my first one and I have to say I like it. Picked up a 17 gen 4. I do have a 19 that really isn't mine but my dads, which I'll be returning now.
anyone running any mods?
The only thing I have done to mine is to add night sights. Beyond that and a ton of magazines they are both pretty stock.
I looked at the 17, but the barrel was too long for CCW.
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So you carry on your person all the time? I'm finding more and more women are getting away from the handbag thing, which is good, as that always seemed way dangerous for more than one reason.
I handled that baby Glock at the store here and thought that I'd not be very good shooting it, as my whole little finger and part of my ring finger were below the magazine foot. I loved the size for cc, but thought twice about it because of the grip.
The 30SF fits my hand ok, but again, I found myself getting self-conscious about it due to its size, even in my iwb holster (no way I'd use the paddle holster with that, which I can with my good old Ruger SP101 ).
Anyway, I'm going to go over the whole Glock lineup at the store for a new semi-auto cc weapon. Maybe something will seem right.
I used to use a Glaco CCW purse, but once my kids were old enough to start going through it I figured it was a bit of a safety issue. I also thought about the fact that the number one thing someone is going to take from a woman is her purse. This made me think about some guy grabbing my purse and getting my gun. Overall, I prefer to carry in either a IWB or a paddle holster. They are more comfortable and with the proper attire pretty easy to hide, even on me. I found a band that actually lets me carry IWB, but also tuck my shirt in and it is perfect with the 26. If I can't get away with either of my Glocks I will carry my NAA Guardian (like a Seecamp) which is a .380, it is a bit under powered, but it is better than having nothing.
If you are looking for a Glock in 45 that you can carry IWB then take a look at the 36. It is a bit slimmer than the standard models, but it also hold fewer rounds.
As to what you were saying about 9mm earlier, I used to feel the same way. My preferred gun was a S&W 357 snub nose or a Sig P232 for CCW, but then I went out with some friends and used the Glock 19. I was able to hit a target at just under 100 yards away multiple times. After that, I figured it was just too perfect for me and bought one. I didn't get the 26 until later when I started wanting to carry the 19 all the time. Neither is an issue for the size of my hands.
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I may be getting one, instead of the Kimber I had my eyes on.
Interesting that you'd bring up Kimber. I had a bad experience with a brand new Ultra Carry in 45. It was hanging and stove piping about an average of one time per full mag at the range. I fired and fired, hoping to bring it around to "broke in," as indicated in the literature that came with it.
I'm older than dirt and have been firing 1911s since I was a kid, and can only remember a few stove pipes and they were due to under loaded hand loads and once because I'd roll crimped instead of taper crimped several rounds and they got mixed in with the ammo I was firing that day.
Anyway, I returned it and have since felt glad I found out at the range! That would have been pretty bad to have no second shot.
The only thing I have done to mine is to add night sights. Beyond that and a ton of magazines they are both pretty stock.
I looked at the 17, but the barrel was too long for CCW.
I used to use a Glaco CCW purse, but once my kids were old enough to start going through it I figured it was a bit of a safety issue. I also thought about the fact that the number one thing someone is going to take from a woman is her purse. This made me think about some guy grabbing my purse and getting my gun. Overall, I prefer to carry in either a IWB or a paddle holster. They are more comfortable and with the proper attire pretty easy to hide, even on me. I found a band that actually lets me carry IWB, but also tuck my shirt in and it is perfect with the 26. If I can't get away with either of my Glocks I will carry my NAA Guardian (like a Seecamp) which is a .380, it is a bit under powered, but it is better than having nothing.
If you are looking for a Glock in 45 that you can carry IWB then take a look at the 36. It is a bit slimmer than the standard models, but it also hold fewer rounds.
As to what you were saying about 9mm earlier, I used to feel the same way. My preferred gun was a S&W 357 snub nose or a Sig P232 for CCW, but then I went out with some friends and used the Glock 19. I was able to hit a target at just under 100 yards away multiple times. After that, I figured it was just too perfect for me and bought one. I didn't get the 26 until later when I started wanting to carry the 19 all the time. Neither is an issue for the size of my hands.
I can't wait till Illinois finally allows ccw. I was going to opt for the 19 but once I held the 17 I knew the 17 was my gun. Despite the size I think I'd be able to ccw the 17 depending on the situation. I'll upload some pics of my first target paper in a bit. 17 is very accurate.
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Interesting that you'd bring up Kimber. I had a bad experience with a brand new Ultra Carry in 45. It was hanging and stove piping about an average of one time per full mag at the range. I fired and fired, hoping to bring it around to "broke in," as indicated in the literature that came with it.
I'm older than dirt and have been firing 1911s since I was a kid, and can only remember a few stove pipes and they were due to under loaded hand loads and once because I'd roll crimped instead of taper crimped several rounds and they got mixed in with the ammo I was firing that day.
Anyway, I returned it and have since felt glad I found out at the range! That would have been pretty bad to have no second shot.
The more I read about them, the less I like them. I have yet to throw lead with one, so I can't make the call yet....
I have a rifle (.260 Remington) made by Kimber. It is far and away the nicest long gun I own. I do have faith in Kimber, but I'm not sure throwing 1k at one is a good thing.
The Glock really surprised me. I may just "pull the trigger...."
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Interesting that you'd bring up Kimber. I had a bad experience with a brand new Ultra Carry in 45. It was hanging and stove piping about an average of one time per full mag at the range. I fired and fired, hoping to bring it around to "broke in," as indicated in the literature that came with it.
I'm older than dirt and have been firing 1911s since I was a kid, and can only remember a few stove pipes and they were due to under loaded hand loads and once because I'd roll crimped instead of taper crimped several rounds and they got mixed in with the ammo I was firing that day.
Anyway, I returned it and have since felt glad I found out at the range! That would have been pretty bad to have no second shot.
That is very interesting, I know many Kimber owners, my business partner among them who swear by them and have never had a single misfire or jam.
As far as Glock, I have toyed with the idea and will eventually get one but I am a die-hard FNH fan, I have an FN Five Seven and an FNX40, both of which I use for concealed carry (one of the advantages of being a sasquatch)!
Most of the sub-compact handles are just too small for me.
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Well, the Kimber "break in" issue is well known. I'd never seen a break in period mentioned in the manufacturer's literature until I bought that Ultra. For personal protection, which that size weapon is designed for, there is a huge irony/danger in my thinking about it.
The recommendation was 300 rounds. Three hundred &^$%#! rounds of range firing to get the thing to work? Sorry. I know some owners report they don't need that break in, but I'm not going to buy 300 rounds of American Eagle cheapos just to get my life saver to function for me and I'm not going to walk around with a weapon that "might" fire the 2nd round.
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Interesting that you'd bring up Kimber. I had a bad experience with a brand new Ultra Carry in 45. It was hanging and stove piping about an average of one time per full mag at the range. I fired and fired, hoping to bring it around to "broke in," as indicated in the literature that came with it.
I'm older than dirt and have been firing 1911s since I was a kid, and can only remember a few stove pipes and they were due to under loaded hand loads and once because I'd roll crimped instead of taper crimped several rounds and they got mixed in with the ammo I was firing that day.
Anyway, I returned it and have since felt glad I found out at the range! That would have been pretty bad to have no second shot.
I former FBI agent friend of mine and his SWAT friend recommended that I fire at minimum 500 rounds of the ammo I planned to use in any carry gun before I ever walked out the door with it. It was pretty expensive thing to do, but in the end I'm glad I did it. I never expected to get stove piping on my Glock, but it happened with two different brands that I tried. Finally tried the Winchester Silver tips and they work very well for me. About 2k rounds down range later and I have yet to have a single error with either of my Glocks or my Kel-Tek. My NAA Guardian was a different story, it took me forever to find a round that worked flawlessly in it.
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I have a Glock 36 for concealed carry. I also have an XD 45 for open carry.
I went to help a friend of mine pick out his first gun and he went with an XD 40. He was all set on getting a Glock and ended up liking the XD better after putting a few hundred rounds through it. I enjoyed it too.
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Well, the Kimber "break in" issue is well known. I'd never seen a break in period mentioned in the manufacturer's literature until I bought that Ultra. For personal protection, which that size weapon is designed for, there is a huge irony/danger in my thinking about it.
The recommendation was 300 rounds. Three hundred &^$%#! rounds of range firing to get the thing to work? Sorry. I know some owners report they don't need that break in, but I'm not going to buy 300 rounds of American Eagle cheapos just to get my life saver to function for me and I'm not going to walk around with a weapon that "might" fire the 2nd round.
I will have to re-evaluate my desire for an Ultra Carry Raptor, but the ammo is not the issue for me since I regularly fire between 100-200 rounds per range visit. I always use quality ammo even for training purposes.
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I former FBI agent friend of mine and his SWAT friend recommended that I fire at minimum 500 rounds of the ammo I planned to use in any carry gun before I ever walked out the door with it. It was pretty expensive thing to do, but in the end I'm glad I did it. I never expected to get stove piping on my Glock, but it happened with two different brands that I tried. Finally tried the Winchester Silver tips and they work very well for me. About 2k rounds down range later and I have yet to have a single error with either of my Glocks or my Kel-Tek. My NAA Guardian was a different story, it took me forever to find a round that worked flawlessly in it.
I went to help a friend of mine pick out his first gun and he went with an XD 40. He was all set on getting a Glock and ended up liking the XD better after putting a few hundred rounds through it. I enjoyed it too.
Good ammo is crucial in a .380 but another factor, you can not limp wrist any .380 even the slightest or they will jam every time.
The only saving grace for me with Kimber is the fact that I live about 2 hours from their factory. If I were to have issues it wouldn't be a huge deal to take it to the factory and get it squared away.
Good ammo is crucial in a .380 but another factor, you can not limp wrist any .380 even the slightest or they will jam every time.
XD's are nice!
It wasn't really a problem with finding ammo or a limp wrist that took so long. The Guardian is just so small that after firing a round the trigger spring forces your finger back into the trigger guard and it starts to hurt quickly. It took me forever to be comfortable with shooting it so that I didn't hurt my finger or break a nail (I know, go ahead and laugh).
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It wasn't really a problem with finding ammo or a limp wrist that took so long. The Guardian is just so small that after firing a round the trigger spring forces your finger back into the trigger guard and it starts to hurt quickly. It took me forever to be comfortable with shooting it so that I didn't hurt my finger or break a nail (I know, go ahead and laugh).
Yes, I got quite a laugh out of that one, thanks!
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I'm with you, and your friend, OTD, of course the massive rounds of draw and fire are necessary for those of us who want to be responsible concealed carry permit holders.
I just don't want to plow through ammo to make the thing work.
I go through thousands of rounds with all my stuff.. only three cc guns I admit (well, any gun can be cc.. lol, but only three I trust as to concealment and handling for accuracy, etc).
I get into arguments with people, even the cop who runs our local indoor range: I love, love revolvers, my Ruger SP101 in particular. Great double action, great single action. Great concealment. Great in my hand (Hogue) and zero malfunctions. He carries the force backup Glock 40 cal 23. Made me have my first exposure to a Glock.. and liked.
I'm thinking of the 30, another 45 but just a bit smaller than the 30SF.
I'm with you, and your friend, OTD, of course the massive rounds of draw and fire are necessary for those of us who want to be responsible concealed carry permit holders.
I just don't want to plow through ammo to make the thing work.
I go through thousands of rounds with all my stuff.. only three cc guns I admit (well, any gun can be cc.. lol, but only three I trust as to concealment and handling for accuracy, etc).
I get into arguments with people, even the cop who runs our local indoor range: I love, love revolvers, my Ruger SP101 in particular. Great double action, great single action. Great concealment. Great in my hand (Hogue) and zero malfunctions. He carries the force backup Glock 40 cal 23. Made me have my first exposure to a Glock.. and liked.
I'm thinking of the 30, another 45 but just a bit smaller than the 30SF.
It is hard to argue with someone who wants to carry a revolver for reliability reasons. With most being of the 357 caliber persuasion it is hard to argue with stopping power either.
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My Colt (with a Hogue ) .357 is my favorite. Love a revolver. I just feel I need a semi auto to add to my collection. I don't carry daily, so concealment isn't a top priority...
I don't own a glock myself, but my significant other does. I don't like the grip on the glock. I really like the grip on the 1911 pistol. Also, I have the ability to grip about as hard as a baby so it's hard for me to pull back the slide on most pistols.
1911s with a short barrel are amazing for cc and handling, imo. Thin and still 8 shots with one in the chamber.
What's so great about the Glock design, though, is the ingenious safety.. which is entirely internal except for the trigger lever on the trigger itself. You'd think such a complicated apparatus would have a long, hard pull, but the Glock is surprisingly smooth and double action-like, and accurate once the shooter gets experience with the whole physical dynamic of the machine.
1911s have that thumb lever on the left side right below the slide. I was always used to loading up with one in the chamber for readiness, and the hammer cocked and safety locked on the up position. That's fine, but there's that extra step in an emergency, the step of dropping that safety lever then the weapon can fire. It's only a split second in a trained draw and fire, but the Glock eliminates that, thus its popularity with law enforcement agencies around the world.
Agreed about the Glock safe-action trigger - even though my thumb is trained to Condition 1, the Glock reminds me of a wheel gun: your finger engages the trigger, and it's done, no waiting.
Kudos to Frisco on that SP-101, that is a deceptively fine revolver, whose deception leaves by the second round, a trademark of Rugers. Seriously regret believing that I could pick up the GP-100 and SP-101 just any old time and now I am sucking wind wishing.
IOWA - damn boy, 50 yards? You'll do until a shooter comes along, and that's no lie. Nicely done!
I'll have to give those Hornady Zombies a spin, but like OTD, I am a faithful Silvertip fan, next best round to the original Black Talons, in my opinion. I do like the hotter Hornady loads for smaller cals like the .380, and definitely need to check out their newer (to me) rounds.
I have a deep palm swell, so the 1911 skwirms on me where the A1, less so. My Browning Hi-Power with early Pachmeyers fits very well, despite the 9 being charged as a mouse gun, to illustrate.
Anyway, at least an octet of pistols in stock, and I still can't join the Glock club. Paint me envious and insert gun safe spam here.
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OMG!!! I want a box of those!!!!!!
Silvertips for the werewolves, but take it from Chopper Chicks in Zombietown..
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Close those lips and it's game over!
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Agreed about the Glock safe-action trigger - even though my thumb is trained to Condition 1, the Glock reminds me of a wheel gun: your finger engages the trigger, and it's done, no waiting.
Kudos to Frisco on that SP-101, that is a deceptively fine revolver, whose deception leaves by the second round, a trademark of Rugers. Seriously regret believing that I could pick up the GP-100 and SP-101 just any old time and now I am sucking wind wishing.
IOWA - damn boy, 50 yards? You'll do until a shooter comes along, and that's no lie. Nicely done!
I'll have to give those Hornady Zombies a spin, but like OTD, I am a faithful Silvertip fan, next best round to the original Black Talons, in my opinion. I do like the hotter Hornady loads for smaller cals like the .380, and definitely need to check out their newer (to me) rounds.
I have a deep palm swell, so the 1911 skwirms on me where the A1, less so. My Browning Hi-Power with early Pachmeyers fits very well, despite the 9 being charged as a mouse gun, to illustrate.
Anyway, at least an octet of pistols in stock, and I still can't join the Glock club. Paint me envious and insert gun safe spam here.
PS - serious congratulations to IOWA and a big tip of the topper on that target. Talk about pics or it didn't happen!
Silvertips for the werewolves, but take it from Chopper Chicks in Zombietown..
(spoiler alert)
Number one defense against zombies is the Stanley stapler gun.
Close those lips and it's game over!
Now all I need to do is find a range with moving targets.. lol. Never been able to shoot at moving targets and I hear it's quite difficult. It's easy when the target sits still.
Guess it's all those years of First person shooters I've played lol.
The grouping is pretty good, but I'm going to pass some of that to the Gen 4 because the recoil isn't bad at all with a firm grip.
Now all I need to do is find a range with moving targets.. lol. Never been able to shoot at moving targets and I hear it's quite difficult. It's easy when the target sits still.
Guess it's all those years of First person shooters I've played lol.
The grouping is pretty good, but I'm going to pass some of that to the Gen 4 because the recoil isn't bad at all with a firm grip.
The shooter... the target... the pistol... the limb of the moon - a good group is a good group. Suck it up, compadre, that's some fine control.
You can't know combat response until combat. Meanwhile, look for a civilian opportunity in a fun house. The name is well-deserved. Your local NRA instructors may be helpful in setting you up with your nearby PD for consideration.
Any chance you've been able to bird hunt, try sporting clays, or get to someplace isolated for any snap shooting?
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For those of you that CCW/open carry (I can still legally carry either way on my property/business) what condition do you carry your glocks in? I see many people who are afraid to carry a 17/19 in condition one, but is there any merit to their fear other than oblivious finger placement?
The shooter... the target... the pistol... the limb of the moon - a good group is a good group. Suck it up, compadre, that's some fine control.
You can't know combat response until combat. Meanwhile, look for a civilian opportunity in a fun house. The name is well-deserved. Your local NRA instructors may be helpful in setting you up with your nearby PD for consideration.
Any chance you've been able to bird hunt, try sporting clays, or get to someplace isolated for any snap shooting?
No, nothing like that but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot. I might check up with the NRA, might as well put that membership to use.
That "this is not a toy" disclaimer on that box of ammo gives me mixed feelings about the marketing; the "zombie" swish, cartoon-like. Seems like an invitation to anti-gun PR.
No biggie, I guess (I hope ).
Nice groups on that target, and at 50 yards. Good shootin'.
When I carried the Glock 30SF it was in the same condition in iwb as paddle: 10 + 1, ready to fire, as I trust the Glock safety mechanism very much and think it's amazing. The whole thing is amazing, the whole gun, from one end to the other.
"2:30" on my body, sometimes 3:00 depending, as OTD says, on weather.
I wonder how many people use 6:00 (small of the back). I tried that with all sorts of gun sizes and can't draw nearly as fast as those other two positions.
That "this is not a toy" disclaimer on that box of ammo gives me mixed feelings about the marketing; the "zombie" swish, cartoon-like. Seems like an invitation to anti-gun PR.
No biggie, I guess (I hope ).
Nice groups on that target, and at 50 yards. Good shootin'.
When I carried the Glock 30SF it was in the same condition in iwb as paddle: 10 + 1, ready to fire, as I trust the Glock safety mechanism very much and think it's amazing. The whole thing is amazing, the whole gun, from one end to the other.
"2:30" on my body, sometimes 3:00 depending, as OTD says, on weather.
I wonder how many people use 6:00 (small of the back). I tried that with all sorts of gun sizes and can't draw nearly as fast as those other two positions.
As far as carry goes, I know I can get away with the 17 in winter time here in Chicagoland, but in the summer when clothes are lighter I'm thinking about picking up a smaller XD9 for those purposes. If Illinois doesn't change it's ways soon, I may relocate to another state after I finish school. (if I ever 'completely' finish, lol)
As far as carry goes, I know I can get away with the 17 in winter time here in Chicagoland, but in the summer when clothes are lighter I'm thinking about picking up a smaller XD9 for those purposes.
You reminded me of my old methods, philosophy about carrying way back prior to the permit system. In California the laws were strictly, "no concealed firearms," period. And there was wording to the effect of (nowhere near verbatim), "if you carry a firearm it must be visible from at least three different vantage points at all times."
I made a selection based strictly on concealment, no thought as to effectiveness.
That 3 angle thing was to discourage all but long guns, some were thinking. So, if we picture the handgun situation, we'd see an open carry holstered on the hip gun from the back, front and the side the weapon was on. Did people do that? Heck no. lol.. cop magnet.
Anyway, I carried a little High Standard 22 magnum 2 shot derringer, iwb. It was all about the L.A. area I worked in; no way was I going into that area unarmed every day. So, I feel for you on the Illinois holdout thing about cc.. it's a very crappy position to put a person in: no defense against the bad guys who are routinely armed.
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You reminded me of my old methods, philosophy about carrying way back prior to the permit system. In California the laws were strictly, "no concealed firearms," period. And there was wording to the effect of (nowhere near verbatim), "if you carry a firearm it must be visible from at least three different vantage points at all times."
I made a selection based strictly on concealment, no thought as to effectiveness.
That 3 angle thing was to discourage all but long guns, some were thinking. So, if we picture the handgun situation, we'd see an open carry holstered on the hip gun from the back, front and the side the weapon was on. Did people do that? Heck no. lol.. cop magnet.
Anyway, I carried a little High Standard 22 magnum 2 shot derringer, iwb. It was all about the L.A. area I worked in; no way was I going into that area unarmed every day. So, I feel for you on the Illinois holdout thing about cc.. it's a very crappy position to put a person in: no defense against the bad guys who are routinely armed.
If you only poured through the recent Illinois legislation about gun ownership/rights... it's horrific what these Democrats want to do to our 2nd amendment rights while criminals/gang members as you mention routinely carry, and discharge their weapons in public and are rarely caught and punished.
Meanwhile people who try to abide by the law get threatened with misdemeanors and felonies for a want to be able to protect myself.
If you only poured through the recent Illinois legislation about gun ownership/rights... it's horrific what these Democrats want to do to our 2nd amendment rights while criminals/gang members as you mention routinely carry, and discharge their weapons in public and are rarely caught and punished.
Meanwhile people who try to abide by the law get threatened with misdemeanors and felonies for a want to be able to protect myself.
It truly makes e want to move out of this state.
Yeah, I hear you.. it's a bit like the "no firearms" signs on some business establishments around town here and there. I once asked the clerk in a frame shop who she thought would obey such a sign, "criminals or law abiding citizens?"
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Here's some of the home defense ammo I spontaneously picked up, I had to have it when I saw it. Apparently it's the same round as Critical Defense.
And here's my first target sheet with my 17... needless to say I'm much 'in love' with this firearm. Shot from 50 yards.
I posted a link to this ammo elsewhere, yes it is the Critical Defense with a green tip. I have some in .40 and 7.62x39. Anybody who wants any should try Midway USA, prices are good.
For those of you that CCW/open carry (I can still legally carry either way on my property/business) what condition do you carry your glocks in? I see many people who are afraid to carry a 17/19 in condition one, but is there any merit to their fear other than oblivious finger placement?
If I am going to carry it is condition 1. My finger is the only safety I have ever relied on. I don't typically do the whole 16+1 thing with the 19 because I carry a second mag. I will carry 10+1 with the 26 and an extra 19/17 mag.
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If you only poured through the recent Illinois legislation about gun ownership/rights... it's horrific what these Democrats want to do to our 2nd amendment rights while criminals/gang members as you mention routinely carry, and discharge their weapons in public and are rarely caught and punished.
Meanwhile people who try to abide by the law get threatened with misdemeanors and felonies for a want to be able to protect myself.
It truly makes e want to move out of this state.
I've read some of Chicago's legislation and views on gun ownership when I was actually looking up some information during a forum debate of all things. There is and probably always will be some seriously backwards thinking on gun ownership and CCW laws. Statistically CCW laws show a reduction in crime in the states they are in, but for some reason people can only think about the wild west when they think of people carrying guns. I can't blame them in their mentality, I've never walked a mile in their shoes anymore than they have walked one in mine. Personally, I just know that I feel safer armed no matter who's shoes I have on.
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I've read some of Chicago's legislation and views on gun ownership when I was actually looking up some information during a forum debate of all things. There is and probably always will be some seriously backwards thinking on gun ownership and CCW laws. Statistically CCW laws show a reduction in crime in the states they are in, but for some reason people can only think about the wild west when they think of people carrying guns. I can't blame them in their mentality, I've never walked a mile in their shoes anymore than they have walked one in mine. Personally, I just know that I feel safer armed no matter who's shoes I have on.
Sadly this is one of the main reasons why I like living in the wild west! Though some people in this country currently look down on Arizona due to it's stance on illegal immigration, we have the luxury now of concealed carry for all citizens. I personally prefer having the CCW training and, along with my previous military training, figure that I have a decent shot of knowing when it's appropriate to reach for my carry weapon... and when it's not.
On a different note, what's the consensus opinion on grips? I've been using Pachmayr grips for years on my weapons but have recently opted to try a Hogue wrap-around grip on my P89. Pachmayr's never really look good on the weapon but sure feel good in the hand. What do people think of the Hogue rubber grips?
As I said before, I have a Hogue on a inch and three quarter barelled .357. It takes the wallop out nicely. Feels perfect in my rather larger hands as well. I'm a big fan. I have a Hogue stock on my plinker 10/22 that is really top quality too.
I got a buddy that has a 26 that he cc's. I've seen his jam several different times. Could be the ammo, dunno. I got a Kahr CW40 for the little things in life.
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That would have been pretty bad to have no second shot.
Were it not for the cost I'd likely own one. Of course I'm the sort who'd love to own a .44 automag if I had that kind of disposable cash.
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