I just have to post this, my daughter the iPhone junkie dropped her 4S on the vinyl tile floor, from about chair height (she was sitting down) and the front glass (not the LCD) shattered...She has a basic rubber/plastic case on it.
If I wasn't there to see it, I would not have believed a drop from such a short distance and on to a semi soft floor would have done that.
She is pissed, to say the least. Her fault though.
I'll wager a Maxx in an Otter Box Commuter, or even bare would have survived this one.
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I don't use a case, I've never liked them. I've dropped an HTC Droid Eris, Motorola Droid, Samsung Fascinate, HTC Droid Incredible 2, Samsung Droid Charge and a Samsung Galaxy Nexus all from about waist height (about 2.5') and never damaged a single one of them. Scuff here or there, but nothing bad. This has been on concrete, tile, hardwood, carpet, grass, marble, etc. I blame designers for putting pockets in different places.
I just have to post this, my daughter the iPhone junkie dropped her 4S on the vinyl tile floor, from about chair height (she was sitting down) and the front glass (not the LCD) shattered...She has a basic rubber/plastic case on it.
If I wasn't there to see it, I would not have believed a drop from such a short distance and on to a semi soft floor would have done that.
She is pissed, to say the least. Her fault though.
I'll wager a Maxx in an Otter Box Commuter, or even bare would have survived this one.
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I threw my Maxx at a wall across the kitchen and it came back without even a scratch after it slid across the floor.
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And its....very......slippery. I had to get a rubber border for my kids mother iPhone to stop it from slipping so much.
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Except it wouldn't be a 740i... It would be a 135i, its freakin tiny compared to most other Android phones
Going back to what the OP said. Even your main premise isn't completely true, that Apple's apps "just work". Reference the chart below:
In short, Apple's superiority is a myth. The iOS fans make the argument that Apple is more stable, because logically, having one company do everything, and one piece of hardware to develop for SHOULD make things more stable... But it ends up not being true, but its the truth that is mind boggling, not the myth, so the truth doesn't get traction. Same thing with "fragmentation"
Apple made available iOS updates to everyone at the same time, so it shouldn't be fragmented. But its just not true. It turns out stability due to iOS fragmentation is worse than Android, (mainly because many app developers for Apple are ignorant to iOS fragmentation shown above).
These figures are actually quite impressive.
Since I don't have an iPhone, I had the pre-conceived notion that its apps were "uncrashable". Maybe my brain was washed by the media (and/or by the fanboys) :P
These figures are actually quite impressive.
Since I don't have an iPhone, I had the pre-conceived notion that its apps were "uncrashable". Maybe my brain was washed by the media (and/or by the fanboys) :P
Actually it is a common misconception combined with a sneaky trick by Apple. When their apps crash there is no notification that it happened. The app simply goes away. This gives the impression that the app closed or that the user hit a button by mistake to close it.
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Actually it is a common misconception combined with a sneaky trick by Apple. When their apps crash there is no notification that it happened. The app simply goes away. This gives the impression that the app closed or that the user hit a button by mistake to close it.
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Actually it is a common misconception combined with a sneaky trick by Apple. When their apps crash there is no notification that it happened. The app simply goes away. This gives the impression that the app closed or that the user hit a button by mistake to close it.
Some folks compare it to turning off Windows Error Reporting. And I agree. lol
Well I really don't see how apple iphone trumps Android? If this so call iphone trumping was killing Android, why does Android have such a market share. Might I add, Android has continued to improve since it's launch and offer a wide range of choice, can't say the same for apple.
Actually it is a common misconception combined with a sneaky trick by Apple. When their apps crash there is no notification that it happened. The app simply goes away. This gives the impression that the app closed or that the user hit a button by mistake to close it.
This is so true. My better half owns a ipad and itouch I see it from time to time. They don't show any notification just kick you right back to the start screen.
Say what you will about Apple, I will probably agree with most of it, but we can't deny that Apple sets the standard. I'm dumping my Razr maxx as soon as the new iPhone is released, maybe earlier because I have had it with this inconsistent piece of trash.
WOW...just took them 35 years and a bail out from their only competitor to get it right....!!!
What I find so funny about this whole discussion is that were having it on a forum that mainly allows use to work together to figure out any customization we want for our devices.
Don't like the dim icons - figure out how to fix it and post it for all those who want it
I dont see these forums for iPhones
Why
You cant customize anything
Get the point
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I just have to post this, my daughter the iPhone junkie dropped her 4S on the vinyl tile floor, from about chair height (she was sitting down) and the front glass (not the LCD) shattered...She has a basic rubber/plastic case on it.
If I wasn't there to see it, I would not have believed a drop from such a short distance and on to a semi soft floor would have done that.
She is pissed, to say the least. Her fault though.
I'll wager a Maxx in an Otter Box Commuter, or even bare would have survived this one.
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A guy I work with had the exact same thing happen to him. I wasn't there to see it, but from what he told me, his iphone4 was in his work bag on a chair and fell out when someone moved it. That's probably only an 18 inch drop onto that industrial vinyl tile, and it shattered the front glass. It's still working otherwise, and he's using it until the iphone5 comes out.
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I realize this thread is somewhat incendiary however think about it for a second. Would you rather have a single solution that works perfectly for the majority of people, or multiple solutions, each of which half works?
In reality the inevitable question is going to be asked: "Which is the best xxyyzz" application. That's just the way it is.
When I look at iPhone I see problems, no doubt. It's not perfect. However I see a community that is united and interested in fixing the problems. Compare this to the Android world where some people with certain phones have problems and others with different phones have no problems.
The reviews and experiences are all over the place.
Choose the right phone and things might work good for you.
Choose the wrong phone and you are screwed.
This doesn't happen in the Apple world.
You take it or leave it.
So what is better?
A situation where you have choice, and 15 different applications that half work or being forced to use one application that does work.
I choose the latter.
YMMV.
Same with everything in life, I sincerely hope that you enjoy your new iCar when it's available.
City of San Fran will no longer buy Apple computers.
That said - with all Apple's products tied so closely together - will this eventually bite some sales of Iphone, etc?
Yea I read about this the other day at another site. I asked is Apple really that arrogant? Then I thought about all the lawsuits....then said I answered my own question....
I've seen Incredibles drop from two feet and shatter. I've seen Incredibles launched across the pavement and come out unscathed. I've seen A Droid X run over by a truck basically unscathed and then a tailgate closed on the same X with just a dent in the case. Phones are weird that way. I saw a Samsung i500 (WM2002) go through the washing machine cycle and still work.
I've seen Incredibles drop from two feet and shatter. I've seen Incredibles launched across the pavement and come out unscathed. I've seen A Droid X run over by a truck basically unscathed and then a tailgate closed on the same X with just a dent in the case. Phones are weird that way. I saw a Samsung i500 (WM2002) go through the washing machine cycle and still work.
My incredible went through the same and still worked!
I have to say, I just looked at the ios6 video and it has some impressive stuff. Much of it copied from Android but some new and cool stuff too. Maybe I'll load it on my spare itouch to check it out.
I had an HTC Evo 4g and did not have a case for it because I was using the extended battrery. I think I dropped that phone many times and nothing ever happened to it, except for a few scuff marks. Last Friday I dropped it from about 12 in. and the screen shattered. Phones are just weird. Needless to say, when I ordered my new phone I also ordered the Otterbox Defender.
I am always amused at how many people praise Android for its ability to be customized and bang Apple because it lacks the native abilities Android devices have. Or they think Apple is great no matter what and android is the devil. Unfortunately, so many people that hate Apple do so without knowing anything past what they read on the web.
And some iDevice users hate Android and they cannot tell us why.
Fact is, buy either platform and you will have a decent phone. Android users will be happy untill their phone will nto be upgraded or the latest GingerIceCreamSnickersBar version of android is not released.
I love Apple iDevices because when you Jailbreak them, you can do much to enhance the user experience and you are not tied to apple/iTunes. And since a major focus of this site is rooting Android devices, I think one must never say that bringing up Jailbreaking is not a valid reason to praise Apple iDevices because it means you have to put work into making your iPhone customizable, while Android can be changed out of the box.
Remember, that although Apple is a closed system. they apparently seem to sell quite a few iPhones despite how "crappy" some people here seem to think they are. Millions of users are happy with the iPhone. And Apple designs closed systems that are hard to customize until you Jailbreak. That does not seem to hamper sales.
Android lets you DL and install apps that do not come from the Android Market but until you Jailbreak, iTunes is your only source for applications. Some might consider that to be a problem but millions of happy users really do not see it as a problem.
I have owned several Android devices and I recently had a chance to use an iPhone running on Cricket. It is a great phone and a great user experience all around. Better overall quality and no android phone I have used had better call clarity.
I will miss the Triumph's larger screen, however.
Android give you choices. You can pick from hundreds of models. With Apple, you have the iPhone 4 or 4s. Not much choice, but who cares? It does the job.
Apple is losing the war. They know it and are trying to slow it down by suing everyone and everything.
How so?
Facts and figures please.
If Apple owns a patent--or you or I own a patent--we must protect it. One can argue that the patent system is broken, I'll admit that. But Apple has every right to patent this and that and every right to protect their patents.
Not too sure Apple is in any trouble. Their rumored 7-inch iPad will finish off Kindle and those of their ilk and their $149.95 iPhone 5s will help kill of Android. Or so something I read on the web said do, so there! Smiley!
After all is said and done, Apple does not "trump" Android.
No way, no how.
So why is Android better than an iPhone? I can accept that you are entitled to your opinions, but occasionally, I like some specifics. Can you cite specific examples?
Unless you want a slide out keyboard, or a bigger screen, or the latest hardware technology.
Sure you can jailbreak it, but its still nit open source so you can change much less.
I'll agree with you. iOs is not open source and Android is. But so what? Very little compared to the whole is open source. If it were, you might see a different climate.
If Apple/iOS WAS open source, you might also see large numbers of phones from the big makers running iOs, rather than Android.
The lack of a bigger screen and sliding KB proves very little because Apple sells a boat load of iPhones. Apparently, it matters not much at all.
Yea I read about this the other day at another site. I asked is Apple really that arrogant? Then I thought about all the lawsuits....then said I answered my own question....
I just gotta repeat the first comment posted on the post - I found it too funny!
"Mansfield went on to state that Apple would use only genuine Congalese tantalum, African conflict diamonds, rainforest teak, and Iranian oil based lubricants; and furthermore the iOS developers would smoke only Tibetan opium. "No one else in our industry can afford to make those claims, bitches!" he cackled.
At press time, the reporters were too mellow from the complimentary Afghan bud to harsh his groove. Steve Jobs could not be reached for comment."
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Saw a video the other day where Apple introduced iOS6 to the assembled throng. Boy were they impressed with the ability to share items to Facebook. Sat there thinking my 2.2 FroYo can do that - and more besides.
Apple somehow made it seem new and vibrant. That's where they excel - I really do believe we are staring at the first company who will be successfully able to polish a turd. And whilst they continue to do that the acolytes will continue to eat whatever they produce.
Google are always going to find it hard to shatter that illusion - the only way Android will make a true deep impact is when they produce 2 or 3 duds in a row...
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Saw a video the other day where Apple introduced iOS6 to the assembled throng. Boy were they impressed with the ability to share items to Facebook. Sat there thinking my 2.2 FroYo can do that - and more besides.
Apple somehow made it seem new and vibrant. That's where they excel - I really do believe we are staring at the first company who will be successfully able to polish a turd. And whilst they continue to do that the acolytes will continue to eat whatever they produce.
Google are always going to find it hard to shatter that illusion - the only way Android will make a true deep impact is when they produce 2 or 3 duds in a row...
Here is where I jump in...
Apple makes a fantastic product, truly, it does. And there is no denying that the ecosystem it has built just works for the majority of it's users. That said...
Android has/will always offer(ed) THE MOST customization out of the box. And if this isn't for you, you still have a more accessible phone/tablet than that of Apple.
I praise Apple for its ability to offer its end users the ability to run an operating system that just work for them. It doesn't work for me and that is all I can speak to.
I started with Android because I couldn't afford an iPhone. I stayed with Android because it just works, for me!
If Apple owns a patent--or you or I own a patent--we must protect it. One can argue that the patent system is broken, I'll admit that. But Apple has every right to patent this and that and every right to protect their patents.
Not too sure Apple is in any trouble. Their rumored 7-inch iPad will finish off Kindle and those of their ilk and their $149.95 iPhone 5s will help kill of Android. Or so something I read on the web said do, so there! Smiley!
Just search for the percentages of all smartphones and what os they are running. Over 50% of all smartphones are running android and the numbers are increasing almost every quarter in favor of android.
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How so?
Facts and figures please.
If Apple owns a patent--or you or I own a patent--we must protect it. One can argue that the patent system is broken, I'll admit that. But Apple has every right to patent this and that and every right to protect their patents.
Not too sure Apple is in any trouble. Their rumored 7-inch iPad will finish off Kindle and those of their ilk and their $149.95 iPhone 5s will help kill of Android. Or so something I read on the web said do, so there! Smiley!
My biggest problem....is the lengths Apple goes thru to protect their patents. And the types of patents they are protecting. I wonder whats so different with MS and the license deals they got from some Android manufactures....and Apple. Either MS complaints are more valid...or Apple wanna ban folks more than get license deals.
I still dont think we really know what the license deals are for. See the recent article about Apple sending cease and desist letters to ratailers about The Galaxy Tab and G Nex?
Apple never convinced a lot of people to not buy Windows machines and now they have run into another serious competitor.
Apple did force MS Zune out, but Sandisk Sansa is still going. It isn't big enough to be a threat. I had a Sansa - did almost everything the Ipod could do, and it used a memory card. Which meant that if all I wanted was MP3s/videos that had no DRM or that I converted from somewhere - no other software to deal with. You put the card in a reader, and dragged and dropped.
I don't like the bully boy tactics. I never cared for Apple's mindset, but that's a personal preference. If anyone else likes the mindset, it's their phone/tablet, and none of my business. Threatening to sue retailers is a different kettle of fish. Almost akin to wanting a monopoly on cell phones/tablets. It won't work too well, since some of us prefer to buy our phones elsewhere, and you can get tablets in a store that has no phone (except prepaid) carrier instore, and no Ipad, either. Office Depot here carries Toshiba, Acer, and some others. No Ipad, so Apple can't bully.
I still don't see the slightest proof of the claim that Ice Cream Sandwich is proof of this alleged notmePhone trump.
Zuben el genub said most of what I'd say, but I'll say a few things in my words. My first computer was an Apple ][+. I chose it over the then-new IBM PC. My next computer was a Mac. When I got into the IT business, I often had both PC and Mac (and Sun workstation) on my desk.
I really got turned off by Apple after they decided to become an organized religion for marketing purposes. I'm not very religious myself, but it was really insulting to people of faith and insulting to my intelligence. And when the cultish Macolytes spread darkness not light, and did it in such an arrogant and stupid way, I found myself ashamed to be associated with the Apple brand and its products.
I'll admit that Apple has gotten better recently. But their new success comes from the fact that they now make boutique products, not tools. Their products that start with the lower-case "i" (apparently to remind the buyer that they don't rate proper noun status to Apple) are fashion accessories more than anything else. And Apple has done quite well in tapping into this market; good for them.
I'm no longer an Apple customer because Apple no longer sells anything that I need, plain and simple. They made a business decision that cut customers like me out of their business plan, and I couldn't care less.
When it comes to phones, I'd still be using my beloved MicroTAC today if they still made them, or if mine didn't wear out. That's the pinnacle of what I want in a phone. I don't really need the bells and whistles and the big data services that have to support them. IMHO smart phones are too large for every day carry, and too small to use as a replacement for a real computer. If someone sold a multi-service data radio with a real Ethernet plug and the option of running on PoE so I could slap it on the roof of my house or my car, I'd buy one and use it a lot more than I use my smart phone.
There are a few things that contribute to the sales of the iphone. One is that it's a no brainer to use. Another thing is that there is a lot of hype and has always been. Android is more for those who want to get the best from their phones. Apple will never be as functionality to the end user. As for the extra apps, don't use them and be done with it. The Android phone is as powerful as you want it to be or as simple. I had an iphone too and got bored with it fast.
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The iphone 4/4s shell design is /was an awful choice that would have got any Android mfg slammed horribly in the tech press. It's clunky, fragile and had that initial antenna issue. I'm sure they'll get away from it with the 5, but that design would have killed off any device other than one from the ultimate fanboi protected litigious fruit company.
I forgot to add...iOS has issues just like Android. And any other OS.
I suggest anyone who doesnt think so....take a gander on over to macrumors.com for starters...and just skim thru the first few pages of the iPhone troubleshooting section and just the iPhone section in general.
But those issues might not matter to the masses.
I have owned several Android phones and I have always hated the crap the manufacturer adds. Like games you can only play a few times before you have to buy the app.
My iPad is also filled with stuff I do not want, like Game Center. It takes up very little space, so I simply hide the icon.
I think some people pull apart Android and/or iOS because they are not normal users. Those gathered here are concerned more about the inner workings of the OS than Joe Public cares about the inner workings and tech crap.
You will find plenty pf web sites that complain about Android and ditto, iOS. My guess is the big issues and complaints you read do not matter to the general user and that is who Apple and Android target.
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The iphone 4/4s shell design is /was an awful choice that would have got any Android mfg slammed horribly in the tech press. It's clunky, fragile and had that initial antenna issue. I'm sure they'll get away from it with the 5, but that design would have killed off any device other than one from the ultimate fanboi protected litigious fruit company.
I seriously doubt that.
It is no more fragile than my Triumph. As for the antenna issue, I am not sure it affected every user and I an sure it affects many Android users. Sales of the iPhones seem to be doing OK.
the tech press would not be complaining about the design; they would be hammered for copying Apple's design.
There are a few things that contribute to the sales of the iphone. One is that it's a no brainer to use. Another thing is that there is a lot of hype and has always been. Android is more for those who want to get the best from their phones. Apple will never be as functionality to the end user. As for the extra apps, don't use them and be done with it. The Android phone is as powerful as you want it to be or as simple. I had an iphone too and got bored with it fast.
I have never read the instructions that arrived in the box with my Android devices. No need to. Ditto Apple devices. No need to crack a book; both devices are intuitive and easy to use.
Never confuse marketing with hype. Some die hard Apple fans, sure. They buy blindly, but they are a tiny minority compared to the whole. And there are no Android Fanboi shortages, that's for sure.
As for the comment "never be as functionality to the end user" provide a few examples. Not sure you can do something I cannot do with an iPhone.
My biggest problem....is the lengths Apple goes thru to protect their patents. And the types of patents they are protecting. I wonder whats so different with MS and the license deals they got from some Android manufactures....and Apple. Either MS complaints are more valid...or Apple wanna ban folks more than get license deals.
It is their duty to protect their patents. Forgetting for a moment that the patent system needs to be looked at because it is to some degree broken; still, Apple must protect their property.
I have an IPad and a IPod,but will never buy an IPhone,TINY screen,no SD option and price.i have an EVO LTE and a Galaxy s3......oh yea both Jailbroken!
Who are the masses? Am I a mass? Because it matters to me.
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I have owned several Android phones and I have always hated the crap the manufacturer adds. Like games you can only play a few times before you have to buy the app.
That's like the crap that comes pre-installed on computers. That's why when I buy a new computer, the first thing I do is wipe the HD clean and build the OS and software the way I want it. That's why I bought a phone that Google chose as a reference platform for Android, so I could rip out all the proprietary crap and have a generic Android phone if I needed to.
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I think some people pull apart Android and/or iOS because they are not normal users. Those gathered here are concerned more about the inner workings of the OS than Joe Public cares about the inner workings and tech crap.
I consider myself normal, and long since stopped caring about the OS guts. But if I did I wouldn't have much to look at with IOS because it's proprietary and closed. I chose my Android phone partly because the hardware specs made it a safe bet that it'll be a strong enough platform to last a while, so I get my money's worth. I chose partly because it had the best screen and user interface. (I was torn about getting a real keyboard, and still sometimes wish I had gotten a model with one built-in.) Blackberry and Apple were too proprietary, with lock-in hooks, and Apple was too expensive.
Isn't it possible that people choose Android phone because they feel it's a better product overall?
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, I had a WM Samsung Omnia, which got chucked into a door frame. Bent the phone, but the screen was fine. It still worked too.
