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Old September 13th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #51 (permalink)
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looks like the PC wars all over again...

apple market will get smaller and smaller... niche market
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Old September 13th, 2012, 03:09 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Imagine a doctor wearing google glasses. Everything he sees can be seen by his colleagues in real time. If there is a problem, they know it and inform him. He deals with new information without losing use of his hands.
Just one use of many for the Google glasses, a true innovation compared to what apple has been up to since Steve died. Again, apple is running scared and has to stop its competition by litigating not innovating. Shame. Lame and pathetic...
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Old September 13th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #53 (permalink)
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looks like the PC wars all over again...

apple market will get smaller and smaller... niche market
How do you figure?

Apple sells vast numbers of phones and if history is any guide, the iPhone 5 will sell well. And, if Apple can crack the Chinese market, they will likely sell even more phones. Some stock wonks report that the Chinese market could be far bigger than the US market, as far as Apple/iPhones are concerned.

China as it is now, is far bigger than the United states market.

Time will tell and we still do not know how many Android/BB users will jump ship when iOS 6 arrives. The iPhone can be bought for less than $200.00 and that might attract people to the dark side.

Perhaps the millions of people that do not have a smartphone will choose Apple because it can be had from Virgin Mobile and Cricket. Lots of people cannot get a smartphone because their credit is in the dumpster.

The new OS might be amazing or ho-hum. I'll wait and see.

Then there are the iPads. The new iPads will increase Apple's bottom line; not to mention, whatever else Apple releases that we have never thought of. All Apple needs is a new idea and Apple is good at coming up with new ideas.

Not sure Apple is close to being thought of as a niche market.

By the way, Apple's sales of notebooks/laptops in the past three months were greater than Windows laptops/notebooks. If you believe the stock wonks. And iPhone sales alone, accounted for more revenue than EVERYTHING Microsoft sells.

Again, do not relegate Apple to nice market status just yet.
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Sh*t Apple fanatics say LOL

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All Apple needs is a new idea and Apple is good at coming up with new ideas.

tell me.. what new idea (innovation) has apple come up with in the last 10yrs??

their smartphone market is shrinking every year.
with release like the 4S and 5..
that market does not look like it will be growing.

what they are good at is... marketing.. and stealing ideas
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Apple is really more about polishing the end user experience than actual innovation. That is something Android still needs to focus on since they've proven they can deliver on the specs and features. For example: making sure everyone gets timely updates, control over carrier bloatware, etc.
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their smartphone market is shrinking every year.
with release like the 4S and 5..
that market does not look like it will be growing.
I don't believe that is true.

Market *share* is a different thing, but even then you can play games of which markets, what time periods. And do you measure numbers of devices or net profits?

Right now Apple are the most valuable/profitable company out there. It used to be Microsoft, and in future it will be someone else. But even with products as widely derided as Vista, IE and the Office"ribbon" it took many years of stagnation for MS to slide (and people tend to not talk about how big a player they still are). So I'm not expecting anything to change quickly. TBH I'm more interested to see whether HTC can turn around than in what Apple's smartphone share does in the next year.
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Old September 14th, 2012, 03:32 AM   #59 (permalink)
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For example: making sure everyone gets timely updates, control over carrier bloatware, etc.
Trouble is, that's the model Google have chosen - they let the manufacturer customise it, and the manufacturer lets the network add their trash. Manufacturers see their changes as a way of differentiating their products, so while Goo said that skins would not be needed, Samsung, HTC, Sony et al ignored them. And network junk is the price the manufacturers (not Google) pay to get their phones adopted rather than someone else's.

So if you want timely updates, buy a Nexus (or root and do it yourself). There's a reason I don't buy phones through networks, but not everyone is in a position to do that.

If people want an example of Apple innovation, telling the networks "if you want our phone it will be with our software" was probably their best But which manufacturer is strong enough to copy it? Google have shown that they aren't able to enforce that.
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Apple making sure that everyone gets timely updates is great copy and a red herring.

Being up to date on an outdated operating system lacking features is not a prize.
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And iPhone 4S users that update don't get it's prize feature -- a fifth row of icons.

Speaking of which, here is an article discussing whether the iPhone 5 is worth the $100 difference from the iPhone 4S.

Is it worth extra 100 bucks?
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Old September 14th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Time to share a story.

About 3 weeks ago an acquaintence from my gym 'John', guessing around 55-60, came up to me saying BB had iPhones on sale $0 for all carriers and I gotta get one right away. I very courteously declined without giving a reason.


John walked away saying 'I have no respect for anyone that doesn't respect Apple's innovations.'


The important things to note here is that:
1. I never talk about Android/Apple in general population and rarely bring my phone in the gym.
2. I have known John a while and he is not tech-savy.


This is what too many Apple fanbois bring to the table.
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The one on the right is actually a Samsung galaxy s2 which is why applef sued.

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Apple is really more about polishing the end user experience than actual innovation. That is something Android still needs to focus on since they've proven they can deliver on the specs and features. For example: making sure everyone gets timely updates, control over carrier bloatware, etc.

Have to agree with these points. Jellybean is on very few devices, and people want updates on a timely basis. I know Google is trying to clean this issue up but this is Android's biggest weakness right now, and the one that the Fanbois always point to as why Iphones are so "superior". Yeah you can always root your device, but you really shouldn't have do to that to get the latest update.

Also manufactueres and carriers do need to cool it with the bloatware, or at least make it possible to uninstall it. Some device makers and carriers have started to do this but it needs to happen across the board.
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I am betting that some of the technology BB and Android manufacturers add to their phones is licensed from others. Just a guess. If you look closely at the various Apple EULA and TOS, you will see Apple licenses this and that.

No reason to think Samsung or Mot does not do the same thing. I'll take that as a yes until proven otherwise.

Just a guess, mind you.
They probably do. But they don't turn around and say "look what we invented"
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I would not take the SD slot seriously. Some want it but how many? I suppose Apple decided it is not needed. Who knows, I do not.
I notice that Google, Amazon and Apple all forgoe the SD slot and I have to believe it is for control. They all want you exclusively on their respective markets.

Yes there are ways around it but things can be a hassle.


SD cards are great for quick media dumps. If you want to watch movies you already own, nothing beats an SD card change.
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Sd cards are slowly on their way out everywhere. I assume in the next 5-7 years they won't be on any phones. Google wants everyone to use the cloud, as does apple. I personally like my sd card as I would rather have everything stored locally so I don't have to use MY data to access MY files.
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Sd cards are slowly on their way out everywhere. I assume in the next 5-7 years they won't be on any phones. Google wants everyone to use the cloud, as does apple. I personally like my sd card as I would rather have everything stored locally so I don't have to use MY data to access MY files.
I still have a fondness for floppy disks. My old 5 inchers died off and then came smaller disks. Now we have flash drives and SD cards. I do not think they will go away, but I do think they want us in the clouds. Not sure I like that.
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I make my home my cloud, but the data networks are not up to it yet.

I have google music and that works well as it caches the music. I also have PowerAmp, over VPN using my CIFS mounted NAS. It plays music fine, so long as there is a data network signal...
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I have google music and that works well as it caches the music. I also have PowerAmp, over VPN using my CIFS mounted NAS. It plays music fine, so long as there is a data network signal...
I am slowly adopting the cloud. In many cases, I am not allowed to store files in the clouds, but this is due to various agreements and such. The hardware can handle it and it seems everywhere I go, WiFi is afailable, so access is seldom an issue.

I will likely sell my iPad and purchase an iPad 2. I am happy that the apps and other crap I bought will be easily recovered. Just a simple DL from Apple.

It is interesting that some cloud providers talk about freeing up your HDD by keeping files in the clouds, yet those files also exist on your HDD. Dropbox is a good example of this. I can see it because you might not have net access when you need it the most, so local file storage is always a good idea.

That said, I have had my laptop for a few years and I still have a largely empty HDD. Last time I looked, I had hundreds of gigabytes available and on a laptop that only stores perhaps 100 music files and twenty Word Documents and the only apps installed is Office, I feel confident that I will never need to store files in the cloud.

I do agree with those that think we are essentially being forced into the clouds; the lack of a SD slot suggests that manufacturers believe that we no longer need to store our essential stuff locally. We are being "forced" to use the clouds and I suspect things will progress to a point where one day, everything is in the clouds.

We are being assimilated, slowly and surely.

One thing about Dropbox I find interesting is when you add plugins, use certain addons and web services designed for DB, there is allot one can do that goes beyond simple cloud storage. I find that interesting and highly useful and a good reason for services like Dropbox to exist.
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So did you pick it apart point by point and look to see how accurate the video is? I think you should have because I see a few problems. It is on YT so it is either wrong or inaccurate or one sided or perhaps even true to some degree.

You should also check out the video poster. He definitely has an ax to grind and I'll not say against who, but he can make a fortune selling apple wood for smoking fish.

And he is wearing a Google shirt, if that means something.

He also say things like "and here is another thing I believe is a lie . . . I do not know if I believe Apple . . .I highly believe this is the truth . . ." He says "I believe there are others (cells) that are thinner..."

Everything he calls a lie he cannot prove is a lie. He just offers guesses and opinions. This is not proof the keynote is filled with lies; it is just out there to paint Apple a liar.

He did say that Apple should have used a Micro USB connector because it is standard rather than the new connector many are hating. So let me ask, can Apple use a Micro USB connector? Is it possible? Not sure how many pins Apple's iDevices require? If so, I'll thank the person offering a technical description because I do not know.

EDIT: I took a look and there seems to be 30 pins on the iPad connector and 5 pins on the MicroUSB. So can the MUSB connector be used with iDevices? I do not think they could/can.
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That article aside, Apple makes an astoundingly amazing product for the market it captures. But no, not the thinnest smartphone in the world.

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It is interesting that some cloud providers talk about freeing up your HDD by keeping files in the clouds, yet those files also exist on your HDD. Dropbox is a good example of this. I can see it because you might not have net access when you need it the most, so local file storage is always a good idea.

That said, I have had my laptop for a few years and I still have a largely empty HDD. Last time I looked, I had hundreds of gigabytes available and on a laptop that only stores perhaps 100 music files and twenty Word Documents and the only apps installed is Office, I feel confident that I will never need to store files in the cloud.

I do agree with those that think we are essentially being forced into the clouds; the lack of a SD slot suggests that manufacturers believe that we no longer need to store our essential stuff locally. We are being "forced" to use the clouds and I suspect things will progress to a point where one day, everything is in the clouds.

We are being assimilated, slowly and surely.

One thing about Dropbox I find interesting is when you add plugins, use certain addons and web services designed for DB, there is allot one can do that goes beyond simple cloud storage. I find that interesting and highly useful and a good reason for services like Dropbox to exist.
Western Digital allows you to buy an external HDD that can act as your own personal cloud storage server via their WDLive service, so technically, its not on your own PC's HDD.

However I do agree that while cloud storage is more convenient, I would still prefer local storage over cloud storage. Although I may be biased as I am currently not in a first world country where everybody has a data plan on their phone making it easier to share stuff. Local storage means I can use a simple bluetooth transfer or wired transfer of files like photos or docs to people who do not have data plan.

MS is an example of a company that recanted the no SD card slot paradigm many manufacturers are adopting (yes I am looking at you, Apple, HTC and Sony). Originally, Windows Phones do not properly support external cards, and now WP8 does. Being fully in the cloud means that our data is at the mercy of factors not in our hands, while having it locally means any damage to it is solely our own fault and we can take better care of it that way IMO.

As for Apple's innovations. I miss Steve. Tim Cook seems to be just slapping Retina Screens everywhere with little other innovation IMO. IF they fall into the same trap Nokia did with Symbian (got to complacent and thus innovation stagnated allowing iOS and Android to throw it down), they are going to fall. They need to catch up on a lot of things, and now with Windows 8 Pro on the tablet market, I am not sure even the iPad can hold its large lead for long.
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That article aside, Apple makes an astoundingly amazing product for the market it captures. But no, not the thinnest smartphone in the world.

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Apparently, Apple was wrong or partially correct depending upon how you view the data. One of Huawei's phones is thinner if you do not count the bulge at one end and another manufacturer nobody knows makes a thinner phone sans a bulge.

Apple should have left it at "the iPhone 5 is the thinnest phone we have ever made." (parahrase)

Seems to me if an Android maker said their phone was the thinnest in the world and a bulge at one end added three or for MM to the thickness, the Android side would ignore those iPhone users crying shenanigans and forget about the bulge because it does not count.

Mr. Cook either lied or he made an honest mistake. One is not the same as the other.

I do think Cook and others speaking for Apple should learn to check facts with greater care and if Cook has a problem, he should use an iPrompter. They/he should know by now that every word will be parsed and some of those writers hate Apple
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No, and I didnít claim that I did. I just posted link that I stumbled across, in case anyone felt like watching it. Is that forbidden?
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No, and I didnít claim that I did. I just posted link that I stumbled across, in case anyone felt like watching it. Is that forbidden?
Did not say you made any claims; I just asked a question. When someone posts without comments, it sends a message. I did listen to it and I found the video makes me ask a few questions. It is not what the title promises.
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Old September 15th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #80 (permalink)
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As for Apple's innovations. I miss Steve. Tim Cook seems to be just slapping Retina Screens everywhere with little other innovation IMO. IF they fall into the same trap Nokia did with Symbian (got to complacent and thus innovation stagnated allowing iOS and Android to throw it down), they are going to fall. They need to catch up on a lot of things, and now with Windows 8 Pro on the tablet market, I am not sure even the iPad can hold its large lead for long.
I think many people are asking if Apple can survive without Steve Jobs. No matter how good Cook is, he is not Steve Jobs. Let's hope he does not try to be Steve Jobs.

I'll bet many inside Apple are wondering the same thing. Will Apple fanatics and employes come to think of Cook as Jobs version 2.0 or John Sculley.

I am on the proverbial fence. I think Jobs was very special and I have not seen the love for Cook that SJ enjoyed. I think the power behind Apple is dead and I worry that the new leader will be an also ran.

Cook might be smart, but he can harm Apple if he makes mistakes. Apple has the cash to survive a bad CEO and Apple has a way of releasing new products that change the game, so perhaps I am worried for no reason.

For all I/we know, Apple will take a new direction and release something we did not see coming.

Or, Apple might not have anything new up its sleeve and for the next few years, all we will see is an iPad 4; an iPhone 5s/6/6s and perhaps a OD Green iPod Nano. Perhaps iOS 6 and 6.82a or 7.03b and nothing new and exciting.

Windows 8 is still new. Actually it is not available yet, just the Preview which will likely change many times before it is released. I do not see upgrading and that UI does not do it for me. It is as ugly as a boiled dragon.

And I do not want addons that give me the start button. Does MS sees it as a mobile device OS? With Surface set to drop, I hope MS is lucky. No guarantees it will surface, so to speak.
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I think many people are asking if Apple can survive without Steve Jobs. No matter how good Cook is, he is not Steve Jobs. .
I have no problem admitting I miss Steve Jobs.

But here is the deal, Jobs pushed Apple to make products consumers would want and that is good. Any company that pushes products for the consumer indirectly pushes other companies to do the same, otherwise competitors fail.

Any ribbing I gave Apple was good-natured until the 'Patent Wars' started.
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It occured to me that the media often times confuses innovation with progression.

A 3.5" > 4" > 4.3" screen is not innovation but normal progression.

The term innovation should be reserved for something totally new and/or unexpected.


Thought I would add my 2 cents.
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