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Old September 24th, 2012, 10:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone switch to led light bulbs?
I need to replace a few bulbs around the house and am thinking of giving them a try. I'm just starting to read/research them but wondered if anyone had any tips or experiences with them.

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I have a couple. It is tough to gauge the brightness and warmth with them. I do like the instant on as opposed to the lag it takes for CFLs to fully light.

Oh man, this must be a tech forum as I just complained about lag in a lightbulb.
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I just don't want them to be blinding bright/white, a soft white is what I'm after. I know the color won't be the same as incandescent, that's OK as long as everything doesn't look blue or green or, well, not normal.
What brands have you tried...do you recommend one over another?
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I'd have to look. I put them in the bathroom over the mirror and my wife didn't complain like she did with the CFLs about the color.
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i started researching LED bulbs recently after a flurry of my CFLs that I installed when I moved in to my house started to fail. They were advertised to last a lot longer than they did.

But when I started looking into LED bulbs, I read lots of reviews of the same kind of issues; bulbs dying prematurely. So... you end up paying a ton more, but aren't guaranteed good life. So for me, I don't think I want to be an early adopter.
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The little bit of poking around the web I've done so far seems to confirm the lack of long life. I don't want to pay extra for the same bulb life I get with incandescent, seems a silly thing to do. I still may pick one or two up though and see. Oh, I don't know.
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I have them where I need to really see. I put one over the cutting table in the sewing room. I'm getting a strip of them to add to the sewing machine.
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Anyone switch to led light bulbs?
I need to replace a few bulbs around the house and am thinking of giving them a try. I'm just starting to read/research them but wondered if anyone had any tips or experiences with them.
I use a few in the studio, but I still do not like the color temperature. The color is a tad cooler than I prefer so I took them out of my office and put them in the studio work area. I have noticed that CT can vary from lamp to lamp.

I am thinking about running them in the TV room when it is finished.

I still prefer the old incandescent lamps. I'll never switch to those golly dang CFs. Partly because of the color temperature and partly because I want to rage against the green machine. I am too lazy to picket, so I vote with my cash.
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I just don't want them to be blinding bright/white, a soft white is what I'm after. I know the color won't be the same as incandescent, that's OK as long as everything doesn't look blue or green or, well, not normal.
What brands have you tried...do you recommend one over another?
High efficiency lights have come a long way since I bought my first CFL bulbs more than 20 years ago. In the last year, both CFL and LED lamps have become available in a variety of color temperatures. Also in the last year, LED lamps that can screw into a standard Edison socket have finally become inexpensive enough to buy on merits other than "they'll pay for themselves after 20 years".

One place where the current LED technology lags behind CFL and old-fashioned tungsten bulbs is in being able to provide a nice even isotropic pattern. This problem may be solved soon because of the way that "white" LED light is produced. The method involves using phosphors to absorb light at a certain wavelength (UV to blue) and re-radiate it at other wavelengths to produce what looks like white. (It's just like fluorescent lights, except it uses a different way to stimulate the phosphors.) The latest LED bulb designs put the phosphors in the same place where they are on fluorescent bulbs. This should go a long way towards making a LED table lamp bulb look more like a tungsten bulb.

I don't pay much attention to brand names any more, now that every brand is made in some nameless Chinese factory. I would look for names like Cree or Luxeon, which are leading manufacturers of the LED component parts.
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I use a few in the studio...
What kind of studio?

The only time I've ever seen a distinctive green tinge from fluorescent lighting was through the vacuum tube imagers in old manual white balance TV cameras, in rooms that had industrial fluorescent overhead room lighting and tungsten TV lighting turned on at the same time.
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If you want color balance, OTT has true color lighting (supposedly) Quilters use it since dye lots can vary just enough to throw off a color scheme. They aren't LED, but some type of florescent. They are bright enough for most handwork.

The LEDs are great for things you really need to see what you are doing.
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I have CFLs throughout my entire house, mainly because I got them free, and they did reduce my electric bill noticeably. But I loathe paying for even those, so I don't see myself going LED.
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I have tried to like CFLs but just can't. They don't seem to last that much longer and I have had more than a few look burned at the base. Like real burn marks. That just doesn't scream safety to me at all so I no longer use them. I have had some that weren't too blue and the color was OK but I just won't use them any more. Besides, they are not really environmentally friendly and should not just be tossed in trash. Overall I just can't, in good conscience, use them. That's why I was hoping LED would be the way to go.
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The only time I've ever seen a distinctive green tinge from fluorescent lighting was through the vacuum tube imagers in old manual white balance TV cameras, in rooms that had industrial fluorescent overhead room lighting and tungsten TV lighting turned on at the same time.
I have a small photo studio. I might add on and see if I can manage a tiny recording studio or a darkroom. Darkrooms need light, but the correct kind to be sure. I hope film stays with us . . damm you digital!

There are many different kinds of fluorescent lamps. At our retail photo store, we had a variety of tubes. Some were very blue and some were warm. We preferred those that produced a more or less daylight balance. Some were blue and some had a slight pink color.

The big deal with tubes is the occasional hum. At least back in the day. Some people could hear it and some could not. I only noticed with the starters and/or ballasts started to go bad. When the ballasts went, they sometimes left a really sticky mess.

I do think LEDs are here to stay. Take a look at some of the powerful LEDs from Lumex. Amazing and a far distance from the first LEDs I remember. God . . . how old I am to remember when LEDs arrived.
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Overall I just can't, in good conscience, use them. That's why I was hoping LED would be the way to go.

I suggest you Google "LED Lighting" and see what you can come up with. There are suppliers of everything from over priced single LEDs in most any color you can imagine. There are LED headlamps and LEDs so bright they will blind you; not to mention, high power blue LEDs that let you make a laser poibter that can set things on fire.

Lots of interest in home and commercial building lighting. If you want a good source for data and suppliers, try Thomas Register.
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If you want color balance, OTT has true color lighting (supposedly) Quilters use it since dye lots can vary just enough to throw off a color scheme. They aren't LED, but some type of florescent. They are bright enough for most handwork.

The LEDs are great for things you really need to see what you are doing.
Interesting you mention quilters. Indeed, lighting can change the color and even dyes from different makers can look different under artificial lighting. That is why we often used a color temperature meter and filters to make sure CT matched the film. Some dyes and pigments do look different depending on the type of lighting.
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I have a small photo studio. I might add on and see if I can manage a tiny recording studio or a darkroom. Darkrooms need light, but the correct kind to be sure. I hope film stays with us . . damm you digital!
Ha! For "organizationally challenged" people like me, digital photography is a godsend. I've lost countless snaps to limbo and the occasional camera thief. These days the first thing I do after a shoot is back up everything to an off-site location, over the Internet.

But I hear you about real film. The nice, orderly rows and columns of digital pixels is so sterile compared to the randomness of film grain. Some of my favorite photos are grainy on purpose. There's a lot more, of course.

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I've seen fluorescent light fixtures used in TV since I was in the audience of "Bozo's Circus" at WGN-TV, circa 1968. I was the only kid there who spent the whole time watching the guys in the control room.

The thing is that the kinds of bulbs that you get at a camera store cost a lot, and are often made only for a certain type of fixture. I'm curious about how well plain old retail bulbs might work. Right now I'm shopping for a good portable 3-point lighting kit. I'm going to buy some good broadcast quality lights, but would love to know if I could augment the pro lights with inexpensive LED PAR lights.

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The big deal with tubes is the occasional hum. At least back in the day. Some people could hear it and some could not. I only noticed with the starters and/or ballasts started to go bad. When the ballasts went, they sometimes left a really sticky mess.
Thankfully those days are over. The inexpensive switching power supplies used in CFL bulbs operate at frequencies beyond the human range of hearing. Higher frequencies allow smaller transformers. That saves money and eliminates the flicker and hum. Win-win.

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I remember going to the local Allied Electronics store and buying LEDs in quantities of one. I might have made the first LED flashlight when I took the first green LED I could get my hands on, and crammed it and 3 AAA cells in a then-new plastic Kodak 35mm film container. It worked pretty well, considering that was 40 years ago. Today I have a pocket flashlight that I can conceal in the palm of my hand and puts out 500 lumens. I've replaced all the exterior signal lights in my cars with LED modules. The instant-on makes them a lot more visible, and I'll never get a ticket for having a light out. But in the home the only place where LED lighting is clearly superior is with outdoors lights. CFL bulbs can't handle the temperature extremes. I have a 2W LED in my porch light that's survived two winters so far.

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I prefer the soft orange glow of the Nixie Tube and the little bulbs with flowers inside. I know, I know . . . you are all Goggling "Nixie Tube" to see just how old that old fart really is.

I'll save you the time. I bought most tech things you see in museums while they were still under warranty by Tommy Edison.

In following this thread, I found lots of interesting LED products. I think it is time to start cobbling together some cool projects. I would like to create accent lights with some orange and purple lamps. Or a nice big honking laser.

Try this for interesting LEDs. Apparently, the site is massive with 0.0712025943288373929 terabytes of data.

http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/led1/index.htm
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I prefer the soft orange glow of the Nixie Tube and the little bulbs with flowers inside. I know, I know . . . you are all Goggling "Nixie Tube" to see just how old that old fart really is.
Ha! I've used equipment with Nixie tubes when they were still fairly new. And I'm not talking about the new retro clock kits either.


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One thing that I've been wanting to do for some time now is to use theatrical LED fixtures with DMX control, hook them up to a computer to do stuff like make my indoor lighting match the color, brightness and position of the ambient light outside. I live in the ideal place that has vaulted ceilings and places to hide the fixtures.

Lasers? Been there, done that. I'd love to figure out how to use lasers to paint a message on the windshield of the car in front of me. I can see all kinds of possibilities with automotive lighting. For example, for all the idiots who are competing to have the brightest lights shining in people's faces, I'm toying with the idea of concealing a pair of 2000W Strong Xenon Super Trouper follow spots in the bed of my pickup, and having them pop up when I need them.




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http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/led1/index.htm
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Now I've just gone back to using real old fashioned light bulbs in my apartment, after a couple of CCFLs(Made in China ) blew-up and filled the place with acrid smoke. Not tried LED bulbs yet though
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My local HD have a big display of light by the door most of the big ones start around 45.00 last Sunday i when in for some chain and found the led CED6 WW 120 WH on special for $29.00 so i purchase 4 , they ar enot install but the light looks very good
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I got my minis. These things are great. The fact that they are so small is amazing.

EcoluxLighting lighting for your sewing machine

Expensive, but not as bad as buying cheaper lights that don't really put the light where you want it.

I haven't looked, but stores where sewing notions are sold have a variety of small clip-on battery operated LEDs that would be good for any tiny area. The smallest one I've seen at Lowe's had a head about the size of a golf ball.

Here's a page with some tiny ones:
Lights - Erica's Craft & Sewing Center

Those finger ones look extremely useful.
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I have to disagree with this. I have tried the best and brightest (yes, I said that) of both and I haven't found a CFL yet that can hold a candle to (there I go again) the Phillips AmbientLED bulbs. The light is bright, even and on the warm side how I like it. Add to that they are more efficient per lumen how could you not use them.

And these look really cool! Multicolor LIFX LED light bulbs can be controlled by smartphone
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I have to disagree with this. I have tried the best and brightest (yes, I said that) of both and I haven't found a CFL yet that can hold a candle to (there I go again) the Phillips AmbientLED bulbs. The light is bright, even and on the warm side how I like it. Add to that they are more efficient per lumen how could you not use them.
If that's true, it's news to me. The last time I checked, fluorescent lighting had the efficiency edge over LED.

I notice that you used the lumen SI unit. That's what I use for long throw lighting like flashlights and searchlights. But the lux unit is typically used for indoor lighting. Also note that non-CFL fluorescent lighting is common in household lighting. I suspect that a purpose-built fixture will be more efficient than a product made to fit Edison bulb fixtures.

If LED technology has overtaken pure fluorescent, then I stand corrected. But how exactly does that make CFL better for outdoors use?

That sure beats the cost of an industrial DMX lighting control system! OTOH my home decor is "real, live rock concert", so I'm still leaning towards the big DMX fixtures.
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If that's true, it's news to me. The last time I checked, fluorescent lighting had the efficiency edge over LED.
Every box or package I have looked at says otherwise. The difference is small, from here on out it will be incremental and not the huge jump seen going from incandescent.

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I ran into this when doing landscape lighting, the entire industry is trying to settle on one standard and the preference of choice is lumen. This works better than lux for an all-around gauge because you can still get an idea of light output no matter what the end use is. Lux is well suited for a lighting designer who needs to figure out the correct lighting for a specific environment and task but totally useless for any long range lighting so it doesn't work effectively as lumens for all-around measurement.

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The Edison socket is merely the means of power delivery and doesn't dictate the technology used with it anymore. Regular fluorescent fixtures aren't as efficient as LED or CFL, yes there are high-end fixtures that are but they are very expensive and only seen in large commercial installations.

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The light quality from LED is definitely superior! Even the best fluorescent tubes are still obnoxious, the light quality just doesn't quite reach an acceptable level. I know some people are more perceptive of this than others and I am one of those, I can't stand fluorescent light and the cheaper tubes even give me a headache.

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I bought LED bulbs for the kitchen

we were using halogen and replacing them every 3/4 weeks

I bought 3 Bright white LED bulbs and they are amazing

instant white light

they have been in there now for around 18 months and none have blown

there was also a lifetime guarantee with them

they were around 5 each
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I replaced the lights in my RV with LED's and they hardly draw any current.
I also have an old 10' trailer at our hunting lease, that I built a bank of 24 LEDs for. The lease has no power, so I run this one off of a golf cart battery.
The battery don't go dead because I tossed a solar charging strip on the top of the trailer.
BTW: 24 white LEDs are very bright. The trailer lights up like bright sunlight. Great for reading.
Now I'm rigging a Smartphone charging stations in the boondocks...
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I read a news article about LED lights just a few weeks ago, and apparently there are two types (in the way they are structured).
One is more expensive but lasts longer. Brands like Panasonic and other Japanese brands are using this method.
The other type is cheaper but it does not last as long.
The thing is, I cant find the article or remember the details....


Apart from that, LED has a smaller area for the light to travel.
You will have to choose a well structured bulb that has good reflectors in it in order to have the light bulb light the same area as a normal bulb.
Some LED bulbs simply add more lights to make it brighter and shine wider, but that can result in added weight, putting too mush stress on the socket.

Since getting the right bulb can save you electricity and fewer changes in the future, you muight want to indulge in good expensive bulbs for now until the technology becomes more stable
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just make sure you take them strong enough, because they already make 1 watt bulbs to but you can compare these to a 10 watt "normal" light, just rubbish! look out for at least 4 to 8 watt bulbs!
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we use CFLs throughout my house. they are WAY cooler than incandescent light bulbs. a three pack is normally on sale at menards for like 89cents or something like that. above my computers i have xenon bulbs but the problem with them is that there HOT! kinda scares me so there off unless were actively using them. and unless you buy the really expensive CFLs that are specifically designed to dim, you will blow your dimmer switch up. lol
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I read a news article about LED lights just a few weeks ago, and apparently there are two types (in the way they are structured).
One is more expensive but lasts longer. Brands like Panasonic and other Japanese brands are using this method.
The other type is cheaper but it does not last as long.
The thing is, I cant find the article or remember the details....


Apart from that, LED has a smaller area for the light to travel.
You will have to choose a well structured bulb that has good reflectors in it in order to have the light bulb light the same area as a normal bulb.
Some LED bulbs simply add more lights to make it brighter and shine wider, but that can result in added weight, putting too mush stress on the socket.

Since getting the right bulb can save you electricity and fewer changes in the future, you muight want to indulge in good expensive bulbs for now until the technology becomes more stable
The different LED's you refer to are these.

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Luxeon Emitter



The original LED can produce a large amount of light with sufficient bulb count but what can be done with 9 1 watt Luxeon emitters will take 80 super bright LEDs.

The weight of another Luxeon emitter is in grams so it is not substantial enough to make a difference, the added weight comes from the driver and heat sink. Also now that LED's are reaching this level of light they are no longer a cool light source, the emitter is producing heat now and the driver can generate considerable heat.

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just make sure you take them strong enough, because they already make 1 watt bulbs to but you can compare these to a 10 watt "normal" light, just rubbish! look out for at least 4 to 8 watt bulbs!
1 watt emitters are more than sufficient for the job, plus the larger emitters go up in heat production. With the 1 watts you simply add emitters to reach the desired output and light pattern with the proper reflector.

The 3 watt and larger are generally reserved for large flood, spot or flashlight duty.
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we use CFLs throughout my house. they are WAY cooler than incandescent light bulbs. a three pack is normally on sale at menards for like 89cents or something like that. above my computers i have xenon bulbs but the problem with them is that there HOT! kinda scares me so there off unless were actively using them. and unless you buy the really expensive CFLs that are specifically designed to dim, you will blow your dimmer switch up. lol
Ever had one of those cheap Chinese CCFLs blow-up on you? See post #21 in this thread. They stink.
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I read a news article about LED lights just a few weeks ago, and apparently there are two types (in the way they are structured).
Actually there are many kinds of LED chemistry, physical layout etc., and many more uses for them. From the original red GaAsP LED that I used to buy in quantities of 1 back in the early '70s to the latest "white" LED-based products that can work on household AC, there's a wide range out there.

Recently there has been a lot of news about the use of LEDs in the home. This is mainly as a light source for backlit LCD displays and "screw in" replacements for incandescent bulbs.

When it comes to making "white" light, there are a variety of different methods, each with their benefits and liabilities. There are a lot of companies, large and small, working hard to improve the technology. One thing that has been more or less common in simple white LED lamps is the use of colored phosphors that are excited by the primary emission of the LED material, making a light that appears to be more or less white to the human eye.

Initial cost, product lifetime and other retail considerations matter, of course. But so do other things like how close to "natural" light (the definitions on that can vary widely) the devices are. The ideal white light has a ruler flat frequency response across the visible spectrum, and wastes as little energy as possible to unseen frequencies and heat. We're a long way from that ideal.
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I don't pay for electricity anymore since going solar in 2009, so I'm mostly interested in long lasting bulbs, not energy efficient ones. Just curious on what folks recommend for that. I have an outside light shining on my flag every night and that flood bulb goes out every six months because of usage.
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I don't pay for electricity anymore since going solar in 2009, so I'm mostly interested in long lasting bulbs, not energy efficient ones. Just curious on what folks recommend for that. I have an outside light shining on my flag every night and that flood bulb goes out every six months because of usage.
Is that one of those halogen flood lamps? I found bulbs never lasted very long either. There are LED flood lamps...
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I don't pay for electricity anymore since going solar in 2009, so I'm mostly interested in long lasting bulbs, not energy efficient ones. Just curious on what folks recommend for that. I have an outside light shining on my flag every night and that flood bulb goes out every six months because of usage.
Wow, 100% solar, that's pretty impressive and awesome!
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Wow, 100% solar, that's pretty impressive and awesome!
I believe Sharon does live in SoCal. Something like it never rains in Southern California. Don't think you could do 100% solar electricity in the United Kingdom. LOL

I've got solar water heating, It's nowhere near 100% though, probably more like 30%-40%.
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For longevity LED is the best choice and there are many options available. How tall is the pole and how big is the flag?
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I believe Sharon does live in SoCal. Something like it never rains in Southern California. Don't think you could do 100% solar electricity in the United Kingdom. LOL

I've got solar water heating, It's nowhere near 100% though, probably more like 30%-40%.
I live in the Bay Area, which is considered Northern California

I had solar panels installed when I had the roof redone. It was a real no-brainer, my house is almost all glass ( why I don't throw stones ha ha ) and I was paying $$$$$$ for electricity when using the air conditioner.

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For longevity LED is the best choice and there are many options available. How tall is the pole and how big is the flag?
Right now I have the Giants' flag a flyin but normally it's Old Glory:

Sharondippity: waiting for tonight's game....

That flag is 5x8 but I don't know the exact pole height.
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I would suggest a 9 emitter up light like the FX Luminaire NP9 but you will need a transformer. PM me and I can give you other options as well or tell you where to find it.
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Short answer: go LED if you can. They're getting much cheaper - I bought a GU10 recently for 3 ($4.70)

In my last house I was totally CFL and was quite happy with them, though the time they take to get up to full brightness is a bit of a pain.

In my new house I put LEDs in the kitchen, bathrooms and lounge and I was hugely impressed: they're bright, the 'white' was excellent and they're instant on. As the CFLs I have elsewhere die, I'll be replacing them with LED.

Then after 18 months 2 of the LEDs went in the kitchen (the most heavily used area). I couldn't get the same bulbs anymore and the replacements I did get are a horribly bright white (the old ones looked positively yellow by comparison) despite saying they were warm white. Kinda disappointing - though at least they'd gotten a lot cheaper.

My suggestion is that you check out the colour before you buy - or be prepared to return the bulbs. Otherwise, LEDs are outstanding: twice as efficient as CFL, more than ten times as efficient as the old Victorian things and 1970s halogen. If I used halogen in my bathroom, I'd be drawing 300W, with LEDs I'm merely drawing 24W.
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I have 4 LED's in my kitchen. I say 4, each unit contains 3 LEDs @ 4 Watts each. So Each unit is 12 Watts, but each unit has a brightness equivalent of around 75 Watts of normal Halogen bulbs.

The ones I have are 45 for 4, but they'll be 16% the running cost of the equivalent and they'll last 20 years. It's a no brainer as far as I can tell
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Here's a strange thought: if the LEDs in my bathroom last as long as they claim, I'd probably be replacing the bathroom before I replaced the bulbs.

Strange world where your bulbs lasts longer than your bath ..
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Here's a strange thought: if the LEDs in my bathroom last as long as they claim, I'd probably be replacing the bathroom before I replaced the bulbs.

Strange world where your bulbs lasts longer than your bath ..
lol, I redid my bathroom at the same time I put the LED's in (photo above) so I'll see which lasts longer.
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I bought LED bulbs for the kitchen

we were using halogen and replacing them every 3/4 weeks

I bought 3 Bright white LED bulbs and they are amazing

instant white light

they have been in there now for around 18 months and none have blown

there was also a lifetime guarantee with them

they were around 5 each
That's similar to my experience. Those damn Halogen GU-10s were hogging 50W each in a four light track. Now I'm down to 4x9w and a nice 5000k warm light. They've been working for at least 2 years without blowing so they've paid for themselves in bulbs easily, and the power saving on top.
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Here's a strange thought: if the LEDs in my bathroom last as long as they claim, I'd probably be replacing the bathroom before I replaced the bulbs.

Strange world where your bulbs lasts longer than your bath ..
Welcome to the future!

I'm already getting that with CFL bulbs. I'm stuck with a bunch of 'em! My last apartment had regular bulbs, so I bought enough CFL bulbs for it. And I put some in my mom's house. My new apartment already has CFL lighting, and when my mom's house was sold, I took back my CFLs. So I have a box of them in various sizes and no place to put 'em!
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That's similar to my experience. Those damn Halogen GU-10s were hogging 50W each in a four light track. Now I'm down to 4x9w and a nice 5000k warm light. They've been working for at least 2 years without blowing so they've paid for themselves in bulbs easily, and the power saving on top.
You call 5000K (a.k.a. "cool white") warm?
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