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Old September 24th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Foxconn China plant closed after 2,000 riot - chicagotribune.com

About 2,000 Chinese employees of an iPhone assembly company fought a pitched battle into the early hours of Monday, forcing the huge electronics plant where they work to be shut down.

Authorities in the northern city of Taiyuan sent 5,000 police to restore order after what the plant's Taiwanese owners Foxconn Technology Group said was a personal dispute in a dormitory that erupted into a mass brawl.

However, some employees and people posting messages online accused factory guards of provoking the trouble by beating up workers at the factory, which employs about 79,000 people and is owned by the world's largest contract maker of electronic goods.

"The plant is closed today for investigation," Foxconn spokesman Louis Woo told Reuters. It was not clear how long the plant would be shut while police and company officials investigate the violence, but an employee contacted by telephone said the closure could last two or three days...."

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Old September 24th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Haha thats awesome! How many iphones a day foxconn makes? Apple is going to be short on supply till next year. And stock prices went down on Monday... Its pay back time bitch
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Old September 24th, 2012, 04:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Haha thats awesome! How many iphones a day foxconn makes? Apple is going to be short on supply till next year. And stock prices went down on Monday... Its pay back time bitch
They make some Androids as well.
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I'm not aware of their production figures.
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If anybody can find a link ,besides Apple products, of what they make could you post it in this thread. Thanks.
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Foxconn, which manufactures more than 40 percent of the world’s electronics for such companies as Apple, Dell, Amazon and others, is China’s largest and most prominent private employer, with 1.2 million workers.

The company has its headquarters in Taiwan and is controlled by the billionaire Terry Gou. It has become a symbol both of China’s emerging manufacturing might and sophistication, and of the struggle to improve conditions for the workers responsible for the country’s increasingly high-tech export boom.

No other company in the world has quite the manufacturing scale of Foxconn. Nearly every global electronics company has some tie to the manufacturing giant, and while much of its work can be done cheaply, with low-skilled workers, the sheer volume of goods and scale of its operations make it China’s single biggest exporter.

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Its all very sad what truly goes on there. Word is national vacation week in china is coming up and supposedly the workers are being forced to work during the period. Of course only for a minimal overtime rate of a mere 4$ too. I think both apple, and china are both to blame.
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Check out the suicide rates
Apples been working like crazy to fix it though. Bad pr
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This has been in the press for over a year.
I can state with certainty based on previous reports that they also make HP products and some Sony mobile products. I had a short list in the iPhone 5 thread where this issue appeared previously.

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Apples been working like crazy to fix it though. Bad pr
Yep. Apple has a pr nightmare with the suicides announced before, this won't help.

I'll see if I can track down references.

Just the press likes to insert the iPhone into everything, that's what happened here to some extent.

Foreign workers vs foreign iPhone makers is a different level of selling and the press rarely seems to resist sensationalism.
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Just the press likes to insert the iPhone into everything, that's what happened here to some extent.

Foreign workers vs foreign iPhone makers is a different level of selling and the press rarely seems to resist sensationalism.
I'm sure that's exactly what happened here.

If it was something like...

"About 2,000 Chinese employees of a Huawei assembly company fought a pitched battle into the early hours of Monday, forcing the huge electronics plant where they work to be shut down."

The story would probably got no further than Xinhua.
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They make some Androids as well.
And products/parts for many others, too. Apparently, they will build Dell and HP stuff and Apple is building a plant in Brazil.

Most of our LCD/Digitizers were from Foxx.

From: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/21/foxconn-building-new-210-million-production-line-for-apple-products/

"Apple's manufacturing partner Foxconn continues to expand its operations in support of Apple's strong growth in product sales, investing $210 million to build a new production line for unspecified components. The new production line is said to be set to come on line in October of this year and will be located in the Chinese city of Huai'an in the eastern province of Jiangsu. The plant, covering an area of 40,000 square meters, plans to hire 35,800 employees.

The annual output value of the plant is expected to reach 6 to 7 billion yuan ($949 million to $1.1 billion), and the import and export value will be $55.8 million, the office said."

I wish we (SLC, UT) could get some of that sweet, sweet Apple production.
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Just the press likes to insert the iPhone into everything, that's what happened here to some extent.

Foreign workers vs foreign iPhone makers is a different level of selling and the press rarely seems to resist sensationalism.
Very true, Early.

Like I always say, listen to 'Dirty Laundry' by the Eagles. It gives you a quick overview of how the press works. Or I am just jaded.
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I think both apple, and china are both to blame.

It is rather complicated I should think.

China does not want Apple to leave and Apple needs the low cost labor because Apple does not want profits to leave. Apple can threaten to leave and China can cut them a deal. Or something like that. Not sure what that deal might be, but I am betting there is some deals, somewhere.

Apple (apparently) cannot build a plant here. Or so they say. China wants Apple and Apple needs China because consumers want cheap stuff.

Not sure if it is just Apple. Lots of manufacturers build in China for any number ($$$) of legitimate ($$$) reasons having nothing ($$$) to do with ($$$) or so they tell us.

We had work done in Ireland because of some tax reasons and for a short while, Palm Pilots were built in China.

In the final wash, it all comes down to $$$. We could do it well in this country if we were given a chance. But I'll need help. Can any of you solder fine pitch SMT?
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Foxconn, which manufactures more than 40 percent of the world’s electronics for such companies as Apple, Dell, Amazon and others, is China’s largest and most prominent private employer, with 1.2 million workers.

The company has its headquarters in Taiwan and is controlled by the billionaire Terry Gou. It has become a symbol both of China’s emerging manufacturing might and sophistication, and of the struggle to improve conditions for the workers responsible for the country’s increasingly high-tech export boom.

No other company in the world has quite the manufacturing scale of Foxconn. Nearly every global electronics company has some tie to the manufacturing giant, and while much of its work can be done cheaply, with low-skilled workers, the sheer volume of goods and scale of its operations make it China’s single biggest exporter.

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Was it an all out Android vs iPhone war?
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iPhone 5 Production Line Suffered Damage and Foxconn Factory Needs to Shut Down for 3 Days (UPDATED) » M.I.C. Gadget

Apparently, people were killed in this riot.
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How can anybody celebrate over a story like this? These people work under horrible conditions. Can you imagine going to your job and being beaten by guards? It's hard to fathom the size of these factories. The workers live there in dorms, rarely leaving. They are like indoor cities. They had to put up barriers to keep people from jumping off the roofs. This makes the Apple vs Android argument seem beyond unimportant.
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Very sad considering profit margin of apple. I'd rather give my money to Bill Gates with all the charity work he does.

Apple: great products, evil company.

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I think Bill is also evil man/ Some say he works under direct government order. I don't think those vaccination is necessary or any other kind of vaccination is necessary. Some idiots go to Walgreens to get a flu shot.. i dont take flu shots and don't feel like because i can't remember when i had a flu last time.
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I think foxconns suicide rate is lower than the chinese national average.
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I think Bill is also evil man/ Some say he works under direct government order. I don't think those vaccination is necessary or any other kind of vaccination is necessary. Some idiots go to Walgreens to get a flu shot.. i dont take flu shots and don't feel like because i can't remember when i had a flu last time.
Fair enough, I grew up thinking m$ was the evil empire, like in star wars but since then my opinion has changed. If apple are doing good in the world then they must be quite modest about it.

I myself have thus far evaded the compulsory flu stabbings, it was a close call but with great strength broke free of the restraints & am now on the run, dodging the darts, so to speak .
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How can anybody celebrate over a story like this? These people work under horrible conditions. Can you imagine going to your job and being beaten by guards? It's hard to fathom the size of these factories. The workers live there in dorms, rarely leaving. They are like indoor cities. They had to put up barriers to keep people from jumping off the roofs. This makes the Apple vs Android argument seem beyond unimportant.
I thought we were bad when the newly hired line supervisors and a manager removed an actual bomb from one of the employee lockers. No FD or cops were called. I still think we should have taken things more seriously.

I feel for the workers. I recall how it once was (I was not there; I am not that old) before labor laws arrived.
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I thought we were bad when the newly hired line supervisors and a manager removed an actual bomb from one of the employee lockers. No FD or cops were called. I still think we should have taken things more seriously.

I feel for the workers. I recall how it once was (I was not there; I am not that old) before labor laws arrived.
Wow, no cops were even called? How times have changed. That would be national news and all over CNN these days. Good thing no one was hurt.
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Wow, no cops were even called? How times have changed. That would be national news and all over CNN these days. Good thing no one was hurt.
Never discussed. Too bad. 3Com should have been told because they owed us at the time.
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Shouldn't need a law to get people to treat other people like human beings.
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Dan Rather Reports had a story on this very plant about a year ago. Ironically, none of the employees who make these phones can afford to buy them. I would provide a link to the story, but all of archives are only available on....you guessed it......iTunes .

Here is a blurb on the story:
HDNet World Report – Your iPhone Makes Me Sick – AXS TV

I have never been a huge fan of Rather's but his news stories show both sides and let you decide on who's right and who's wrong. I wish I could edit out the Prostitute part, but I have no control over it.

Here is another story I found that could explain the riots:
http://micgadget.com/29723/the-undercover-report-on-how-the-new-iphone-5-is-made-inside-foxconn-factory/
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I agree, but that is China for you. Not at all like the US of A. It took laws as I recall to end child labor laws and many laws that protect workers.

I do wonder what China would do (or Foxx) if Apple decided enough is enough and said "we will no longer have our products made in your country, China."

Hey Apple, come to Utah and build your toys here. We might not be as fast and the costs will go up, but you are very well off and you can eat the costs.
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I agree, but that is China for you. Not at all like the US of A. It took laws as I recall to end child labor laws and many laws that protect workers.

I do wonder what China would do (or Foxx) if Apple decided enough is enough and said "we will no longer have our products made in your country, China."

Hey Apple, come to Utah and build your toys here. We might not be as fast and the costs will go up, but you are very well off and you can eat the costs.
Not to get too far off topic here, but many in this country would love to get rid of those labor laws and return to the bad old days.
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