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Old October 26th, 2012, 03:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Good info but not the whole story.

For years now, the RIAA has been winning cases against individuals for large sums of money - staggering amounts. Nonetheless, many have continued downloading thinking that they haven't been watched or won't get caught.

The video says that no personal information is being collected.

That's not strictly true.

The company in question is contacting ISPs to have them send you the warning and your confirm your account, apart from them. The video explains that.

What the video doesn't explain is that information is then used as a basis for a court order to get your identity and haul you into court.

So - here's the only news here: they've automated and streamlined what they've been doing so they can do more of it.

Think they don't have the money to take you to court or the courts don't have time?

Sure.

So, many freshmen entering college receive a letter after they've been there a few months from the RIAA - you have been caught in the following copyright infringements, would you like to settle with us out of court for thousands of dollars or would you like to mount a legal defense against this.

They've been stepping up their game and they've never stopped and this isn't the start.

If you've been pirating media and think that no one has a file on you, then you're playing Russian Roulette.

Just a word to the wise.
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im currently downloading movies!
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I usually download HD quality movies on my One X from a mobile site. Released about a week before bluray/dvd.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I'm seeing the smiley as you're downloading illegally.

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Just one example.

And our site rules basically forbid promoting or encouraging any sort of copyright infringement.
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Just one example.

And our site rules basically forbid promoting or encouraging any sort of copyright infringement.
I'm often downloading English language movies myself, sometimes for educational purposes, because the legal online movie services seem to be United States only....not promoting or encouraging...just saying.
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The democratic countries are cooperating more and more on respecting each other's copyright laws as electronic media often crosses borders.

China doesn't participate in that, as you know, and a lot of copied media can be found from the west side of the Pacific Rim and inward.

Recently proposed draconian laws to control our internet borders were shot down, but their supporters will be back.

We live in interesting times.
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I suppose watching online movies from Europe is the same as downloading?...
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I suppose watching online movies from Europe is the same as downloading?...
Depends, there's not enough to go by in that question.

The US has made various agreements on this stuff with various nations, but I'm not expert on it.
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I wish Amazon would let me buy movies from them but I'm not from the US so even if I wanted to give them my money, they wouldn't take it. I figured how to buy from their mp3 store though.
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Alot of websites are based outside to U.S. Is that their way of around piracy?
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It's their way to avoid prosecution. Even so, we extradited someone from the UK this year using our laws and the UK supported it.

The SOPA/PIPA proposed legislation was an attempt to for us to enforce the internet at our borders and influence foreign nations. We've not heard the last of that.
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MegaUpload was in Hong Kong....but their servers were in the US.
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I am downloading a pirate movie. Hope it is a good one.

I think 200,000 lawsuits before Christmas would go a long ways towards slowing things down. Until people find a way to avoid being tracked.

I always use WiFi warm spots and highly secure bit torrent clients I buy from a man with a scar in a van in an alley after midnight, preferably, it will be a dark and stormy night. They ain't getting me.

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Of course my credit is ruined because someone snuck in through an open port and stole my ID.
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There are always ways and means, some are easier than others, some are more risky than others. Personally I won't touch torrents. As with anything illegal, if you do it, be prepared to pay the price.
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Interesting choice of words. "May you live in interesting times" is said to be an old Chinese curse. I took a look and apparently, it is a curse derived from an old Chinese proverb.

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Surely they don't have access to what.cd?
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The RIAA etc don't need access to the particular site

they setup honeypot trackers etc for torrents so you go downloading your connecting to their tracker and they lift from that your ip address

then its a quick mail to your ISP to get your Personal details
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Torrents on what.cd are thoroughly checked through upon upload. I wonder how visible the honeypot trackers are.
- My friend is on what.cd and I don't know all of the details but it does sound very secure.
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I haven't downloaded anything illegal in years because they started a big hype about how they were going to be busting a lot of people for doing so..

Is it only me that finds the punishments to out weigh the crime by quite a bit? If you put a dvd in it tells you that illegal distribution of the movie is punishable by a fine up to $250,000 USD. I just don't see justice in awarding a multi-million dollar (perhaps billion) company that much for a movie, you are most likely going to put that person in debt for most of if not all of his or her life. That is just plain and simple greed the way I see it

I really would like to see the copyright laws to be examined... I would actually just like to see everyone to just stop suing everyone, whether it be corporation to corporation, corporation to individual, individual to individual... Everything is just a mess with the whole system in my opinion
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I haven't downloaded anything illegal in years because they started a big hype about how they were going to be busting a lot of people for doing so..

Is it only me that finds the punishments to out weigh the crime by quite a bit? If you put a dvd in it tells you that illegal distribution of the movie is punishable by a fine up to $250,000 USD. I just don't see justice in awarding a multi-million dollar (perhaps billion) company that much for a movie, you are most likely going to put that person in debt for most of if not all of his or her life. That is just plain and simple greed the way I see it

I really would like to see the copyright laws to be examined... I would actually just like to see everyone to just stop suing everyone, whether it be corporation to corporation, corporation to individual, individual to individual... Everything is just a mess with the whole system in my opinion
I agree with you.

It's a two way street though.

I often hear and read online from those advocating piracy that they'll teach the music industry that their prices are too high, and the products therefore undesirable, by stealing the music.

You don't steal something undesirable.

Bad logic all around, but the awards come from the juries in the end.

Criminal penalties are simply intended as a deterrent. When the penalty is too low or too high, I think that many simply dismiss it.
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Yea, this all may be well in good, but there are a lot of people who don't care about all that because they are simply poor. They could be sued, but have nothing to lose, so why would they stop.
The same goes for people who jack their neighbors wifi connection and download that way.
Simply put, they may be stepping up their enforcement game, but it's not really having the affect they hoped for.
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Uh oh, better put my pants back on, then.
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Lately i heard that my internet provider, Time Warner Cable, has been prosecuting some people who Torrent too much haha, so it seems there is this grey area of space between torrenting and torrenting too much
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Changing the laws and prosecuting will not stop it, or even slow it down substantially. We have laws on the books for murder, yet look how many are committed each year.
The fact is, until attitudes change, downloading pirated material will continue to thrive. Bringing down some of those theater prices is a beginning. I shouldn't have to count a percentage of a check to take the family to the movies.
Also, quit charging $15+ for a dvd that only costs a coupe bucks to produce in the first place.
Lastly, the industry should recognize that the consumer is using the same type logic (greed) to justify illegal downloading as the industry is using to charge those outlandish prices. We didn't make the rules, we're just playing the game.
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Is it rated "Arrrrr" ?

I download a few hundred songs from Tunee, which I got from Google Play. It's not on there anymore so I'm betting it was not on the up 'n up. Hope I don't get busted
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Only if you dont know how to hide :P lol

Do you honestly thing the RIAA are gonna the time tracing you through several different servers to bust you downloading a movie lol?

Most of the people that you hear about getting sued etc are Uploaders
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Only if you dont know how to hide :P lol

Do you honestly thing the RIAA are gonna the time tracing you through several different servers to bust you downloading a movie lol?

Most of the people that you hear about getting sued etc are Uploaders
The RIAA is concerned with music, the MPAA with movies.

As I've been following this closely for some years, most of the people I've read about are downloaders.

Read some of the cases blogged by the leading attorney on the web for this.

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Sigh... the future.
And yes, I can't help but feel like everything I enter into fields is logged somewhere. But, maybe I am just paranoid.
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Lately i heard that my internet provider, Time Warner Cable, has been prosecuting some people who Torrent too much haha, so it seems there is this grey area of space between torrenting and torrenting too much
You've struck on the real problem... bandwidth. ISP's don't give a damn if you DL legal data or not... they just care about their precious bandwidth. It's a fact that those who torrent take up WAY more of their bandwidth so rather than beef up their infrastructure to handle the demand they join forces with those who wish to prosecute their customers to 'help' them with the pertinent information to catch the wrong doers.

And people wonder why I'm sorry I ever decided to be done with hacked untrackable modems that got me 32mb of free download speed for paying a monthly fee of $50 for substantially slower speeds that they monitor what materials I view/download. I just keep telling myself that doing the right thing is.... right.
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I would wonder if cable tv companies also providing isp services wouldn't have a vested interest in not having movie demand met illegally.
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why dont warez sites get shut down??

off shore hosting?
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Piratebay? Megaupload? Many do get shut down.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 08:45 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Just like Pirate Bay did.
They got shut down, and came back.
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Is it rated "Arrrrr" ?

I download a few hundred songs from Tunee, which I got from Google Play. It's not on there anymore so I'm betting it was not on the up 'n up. Hope I don't get busted
Yup. Arrrrr rated, ye matey (matie?)

Seems odd that Google will allow apps that make it effortless to DL illegal content. Not complaining, just wunnerin, ya know? I can fill a library with stuff I DL to my phone or Dropbox and it cant all be legal.
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Yup. Arrrrr rated, ye matey (matie?)

Seems odd that Google will allow apps that make it effortless to DL illegal content. Not complaining, just wunnerin, ya know? I can fill a library with stuff I DL to my phone or Dropbox and it cant all be legal.
You can inform google of any apps used for piracy quite easily.

Please don't ask them to remove browsers.
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Don't reupload it anywhere - stash it on a USB stick that isn't plugged into the computer. I probably have some, too. But I'm not sharing. If Google didn't get it off Youtube fast enough - that's Google's problem.

I don't believe in sharing something that was copyrighted - but if I got a file in good faith and have it for my own use, I'm not deleting it. I'll send someone a link, but not the video or MP3. If the item is no longer there, too bad.

I don't use Torrents of any kind. I don't trust them.

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I say download the stuff you want, but just don't eat that yellow snow.
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Yes. Yes, I am. Liked it so much this year, I decided to extend my celebration.
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Just saw this:
Files aren?t property, says US government ? The Register

If files aren't property, that's another can of worms.

Your spreadsheet tracking a sales item isn't your property? You mean all the ligitants in any lawsuit are to have sensitive info?

You are a successful artist and your Youtube channel isn't your property?
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Just saw this:
Files aren?t property, says US government ? The Register

If files aren't property, that's another can of worms.

Your spreadsheet tracking a sales item isn't your property? You mean all the ligitants in any lawsuit are to have sensitive info?

You are a successful artist and your Youtube channel isn't your property?
If those same documents were in hard format (printed onto paper) and you went around town handing them out to anyone who would take them and posting them for everyone to see... would you expect to be able to sue people for reading and using the information on those forms? This is kind of how the internet works.

As for YouTube... it's a tool to get your work seen by millions that you wouldn't otherwise have. If you become popular on the YouTubes and can't capitalize on that fame if that's your goal then that's your problem.
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Your spreadsheet tracking a sales item isn't your property? You mean all the ligitants in any lawsuit are to have sensitive info?

You are a successful artist and your Youtube channel isn't your property?
Hmmm. i think who owns what is up for debate. And the debate ends with YT/Google's TOS. Or Dropbox's TOS. Or some other web site's TOS. Rather, it begins there and a jury finally decides. Perhaps an appeal or three. Very complex these days.

Not sure what their terms of service says, but I am sure they do not claim ownership of the files. Your spreadsheet is not yours if it was created at work, most likely. And your boss likely owns whatever you create using his/her corporate systems. I believe the last one has already been lost in court.

Perhaps EarlyMon can explain the current status of who owns what, created with corporate assets.

If you use music owned by someone else in your videos, your videos are not completely yours.

Your car has more rights than you do, perhaps. You can part it out, rent it to others for a few hours for fun and games. You cannot sell a kidney or rent your body out for pleasure. And if your doctor discovers the reason you eat and eat and eat and avoid putting on the pounds and he discovers a new gene, for example, he can patent it and he owns a part of you and (apparently) the law is on his side. I say apparently because I am not sure how far this has been pushed in court.

Michael Crichton went into the legal issues years ago in one of his books. Apparently, this idea that someone can own you (in a manner of speaking) is possible.

Actually, Apple owns it all because they created it. Were you not aware of this?
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"However, it’s the government’s argument about property rights over files that The Register finds intriguing. While it seems to have the capacity, as stated by the EFF, to chill the cloud computing market, it’s an interpretation of intellectual property rights that would also be unwelcome in Hollywood. Content owners would hardly welcome a determination that the existence of a copy of data isn’t necessarily sufficient to establish ownership rights over that data. "
This is the last paragraph in the article. I can't seem to get it into italic. It's the one I find disturbing. Just how far will things go ion the prosecution of Megaupload?
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I think that there are some reporting shortcuts somewhere.

Feds: "Hi. We've confiscated files on your server because you had a lot of stolen content there. Your site was famous for it."

Plaintiff: "Nuh uh. Those files are all mine. Give them back. I promise they won't have an accident and get distributed again."

Feds: "Yeah. No."

As for content owners in the recording industry being upset - not really. I'm sure that their position is that just owning a copy of a file doesn't establish your ownership of its contents by itself. So that contradicts the last statement in your quote.

Finally, I'm pretty sure that a Facebook case already established that others can't usurp ownership of your content even if their terms of service say that they can.

I think that there was a bit of sensationalism in the article.
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i download media to enjoy.. from time to time.
I would guess that more than 20% of the internet connected population does this.
this maybe 10s of millions of individuals in the USA alone.

I dont have much for them to sue for... if they choose to take me to court. they may win.. but aint getting anything from me. They would be wasting time and money with me.

i would think before they take anyone to court, they would do a quick financial background on each person (which is pretty easy). if a person has nothing in assets..there is no point in paying for an expensive legal proceeding.

i feel.. i aint important enough for them to waste their time on.
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i download media to enjoy.. from time to time.
I would guess that more than 20% of the internet connected population does this.
this maybe 10s of millions of individuals in the USA alone.

I dont have much for them to sue for... if they choose to take me to court. they may win.. but aint getting anything from me. They would be wasting time and money with me.

i would think before they take anyone to court, they would do a quick financial background on each person (which is pretty easy). if a person has nothing in assets..there is no point in paying for an expensive legal proceeding.

i feel.. i aint important enough for them to waste their time on.
Clearly, you didn't look at past cases in my recording industry vs the people link earlier.
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i download media to enjoy.. from time to time.
I would guess that more than 20% of the internet connected population does this.
this maybe 10s of millions of individuals in the USA alone.

I dont have much for them to sue for... if they choose to take me to court. they may win.. but aint getting anything from me. They would be wasting time and money with me.

i would think before they take anyone to court, they would do a quick financial background on each person (which is pretty easy). if a person has nothing in assets..there is no point in paying for an expensive legal proceeding.

i feel.. i aint important enough for them to waste their time on.
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