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Old December 4th, 2012, 12:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sounds like a great place to work.. They want their workers to be able to handle pain and suffering, in the workplace? WOW. I think I'd quit any job that had me in pain and suffering everyday.
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I just wonder why he had his phone (of any kind) out during the interview?!!!
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I just wonder why he had his phone (of any kind) out during the interview?!!!
it could have been on a belt clip... or on the outside of his breifcase/backpack/bag. or he took it out as he walked into the interview and turned it off.
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Gotta love those Chinese human rights! Why exactly do we keep giving them Most Favored Nation?
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AWESOME. If I conducted interviews I wouldn't hire them either just cause I hate apple that much. My Reason wouldn't be as the one given it would be simpler. No employee of mine will support apple products with the money I paid them.

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On the serious note though it proves that you have to look professional but not like you don't need the job. The company is well in it's right but at the same time the student should understand that companies want to hire people who are hungry and willing to work. Telling them you come from money doesn't say that. Even if you don't come from money.
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coming from a developing country myself, I can understand this company's point of view. There are local companies here who do prioritize giving jobs to the less fortunate. I don't see anything wrong with that. Multinational companies don't really care about things like that, so there are more opportunities for the wealthy and more fortunate ones (as well as just going into their own family's business).
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If he'd had a fake iPhone, he'd have probably got the job.

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coming from a developing country myself, I can understand this company's point of view. There are local companies here who do prioritize giving jobs to the less fortunate. I don't see anything wrong with that. Multinational companies don't really care about things like that, so there are more opportunities for the wealthy and more fortunate ones (as well as just going into their own family's business).
In some poor regions of China owning an iPhone can be a status symbol, a sign of new-money. It means that you've made it and are not poor, and thus less inclined to work hard.

He'd have probably lost the job as well if he'd been seen to be smoking expensive Chunghwa cigarettes, and not the cheapo whatevers.
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It's not so much human rights, much more of a Chinese culture thing.

Probably what happened, they saw he had an iPhone with it's prestigious Apple logo, assumed he's nouveau riche, or otherwise wealthy, and therefore didn't want him......The idle rich.

"Instead the iPhone seems to have been declared a bourgeois accessory, symbolic of over-privileged fops who have never done a day’s graft in their lives,"

A "bourgeois accessory", like a Rolex watch, or a Gucci handbag. That's how it is here sometimes.

The iPhone 4S retails for around $900 USD in China, and that's with a stiff mandatory two year contract. iPhone 5 is not released here yet. Many people are probably only earning $200-$300 a month, including the Foxconn employees who make the thing.
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In some poor regions of China owning an iPhone can be a status symbol, a sign of new-money. It means that you've made it and are not poor, and thus less inclined to work hard.

He'd have probably lost the job as well if he'd been seen to be smoking expensive Chunghwa cigarettes, and not the cheapo whatevers.
So what happens if someone got the job, worked hard, made enough money and got an iPhone? Are they going to fire him?
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And sort of here too:

Droidfooding: After Years Of Giving Employees iPhones, Posters At Facebook HQ Beg Them To Test Android
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If developers had been making high quality android apps like they do for iOS, they wouldn't need to beg them to switch to android now.
This is FB own fault for treating android for years like the lil engine that almost could.
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So what happens if someone got the job, worked hard, made enough money and got an iPhone? Are they going to fire him?
Well if he worked hard, then should keep his job. However much more likely, someone in his position is only going to be earning $300-$400 USD p/m at the most. And will be sending a significant portion of their salary back home to their parents.

Owning a luxury item like an Apple iPhone, or a Cartier watch, or a Louis Vuitton handbag, is only a pipe-dream for so many in China. Thing is, not only is the iPhone itself extremely expensive, the mandatory two year China Unicom contract is very expensive as well.
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Well if he worked hard, then should keep his job. However much more likely, someone in his position is only going to be earning $300-$400 USD p/m at the most. And will be sending a significant portion of their salary back home to their parents.

Owning a luxury item like an Apple iPhone, or a Cartier watch, or a Louis Vuitton handbag, is only a pipe-dream for so many in China. Thing is, not only is the iPhone itself extremely expensive, the mandatory two year China Unicom contract is very expensive as well.
So what happens if he wins an iPhone in some lottery, doesn't get a plan and just uses WiFi? Are they going to fire him for that, too?
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coming from a developing country myself, I can understand this company's point of view. There are local companies here who do prioritize giving jobs to the less fortunate. I don't see anything wrong with that. Multinational companies don't really care about things like that, so there are more opportunities for the wealthy and more fortunate ones (as well as just going into their own family's business).
Some folks seem to hate iPhones. Some people love iPhones and dislike Android. Ari Gold seems to love Blackberry, in case you are trying to hire him to manage your acting and/or writing career.

Seems reasonable to leave the phone in your pocket and turned OFF. Just in case you are sitting in front of a fanboy hoping to land a job.

I personally believe that if you pull out your phone--regardless of brand--you are sending a message that the interview is not as important as a possible incoming phone call. Not stated or spoken, but subliminal sort of.

I leave my phones turned off when I am peddling my wares. One never knows what others will think. And right or wrong, those offering you work are in charge.
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So what happens if he wins an iPhone in some lottery, doesn't get a plan and just uses WiFi? Are they going to fire him for that, too?
Congratulations would be in order I guess. They'd should only fire him, if he didn't work hard. He could always sell the iPhone or put a low-cost China Mobile "EasyOwn" pre-paid SIM in it.

It's best not to show the trappings of wealth ("bourgeois accessories") at a job interview, unless it's for a CEO or something. Leave the Apple, Rolex, LV, Gucci, Cartier, Armani, BMW and Chunghwa cigarettes at home. So often the job market in China is extremely fierce, and they will look for any reason that you might not want to work hard.

I work in a large state middle school. A teacher here usually gets equivalent of $400 USD p/m, which is a comparatively well paid job. Someone working in an office, factory or a shop, will probably receive half that. The workers who make the iPhone, chances are they could never afford own a new one.

A few of the teachers have older iPhones they bought second-hand, along with quite a few cheapo counterfeit Android iPhones. I get more than the local teachers, because I'm English, not Chinese.

The interviewer apparently explained the rather harsh decision as follows:
"Students who have iPhones don’t work. Everything you have was bought by your parents. You haven’t bought anything by working yourself. You are wealthy and can’t stand the stress. Working at our company is tough. It calls for someone who can take the pain and suffering."
There's 4,000 students at my school, none of them have iPhones. It's mostly candy-bar and cheapo Chinese Android phones.
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If he'd had a fake iPhone, he'd have probably got the job.
I agree.
You can appreciate new technology and show that you are eager to adapt, but you can show off that you are rich.
Therefore you use a cheap fake one.

Same as women and fake designer brand purses.
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designer band purses... i think that is just plain legal robbery... brain washing... apple!
$2k (us) for a damn bag? it cost them less than $15 to make
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It's only robbery if you're FORCED to buy one. People who absolutely HAVE to be seen with the latest haute couture will always pay top dollar for it. Designers know that and exploit it.




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He should have kept it out of view. It's a tacky display of status, any interviewer would have picked up on that. My phone always stays on silent and remains in my jacket pocket while on interviews.
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He should have kept it out of view. It's a tacky display of status, any interviewer would have picked up on that. My phone always stays on silent and remains in my jacket pocket while on interviews.
Same. I know certain work places allow you to listen to music during the day if you are doing computer work and such, but during an interview i usually leave my cellular device in the car, just in case. You never want it going off there.
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