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Old December 29th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Why call yourself "best buy" when you are anything but? Never mind the fact I cannot find stuff in stock when I want to buy (only to be directed to order the stuff on line!) the stuff you do have, the pricing is horrible!

Okay, I got a few reward zone coupons, I figured I could burn off. More so, I was just being bored, looking at phones and stuff, just thinking about things. I looked up the note two because of some of the features, like multi window (would help rid me of an extra device during storm chasing) so I checked in the price.

Best buy wants 800 bucks for an unactivated device! why!? That is the MSRP! Which, I guess would not be so bad, other then the fact AT&T wants 150 bucks less for the same thing!

I guess with all the promos best buy is running, they can gouge customers, or just expect most customers will just take the lower contract device so they don't bother to lower the price on the unactivated device, which is the same thing with no contract.

What are they getting out of this!? Does BB get money back selling subsidized devices? I would expect they lose money to this. If so, then they try to make up their loss by charging full MSRP on devices.

Why does AT&T have the thing for 150 dollars less? Bulk buy? I suspect there are a lot of best buys out there and a lot of AT&Ts.

Bah, I am just rambling now....

I just found it ironic that I could buy a phone for LESS at a carrier store then a place that calls themselves the "best buy"

Done ranting (for now. I think )

I guess for that price, I could walk into AT&T, and buy out a contract, and move my device to my own line if that will save my mom some cash

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I check out products there, but any purchase I make gets done on Amazon where the prices are at least half off
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That seems to be the norm at my local best buy. They rarely have ANYTHING I am after at the time, including blu-rays. Most times I am told to buy online. Well, if I do that, I cam going to amazon.

Local best buy brick and mortar stores are just a shop front for online shopping.
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just an fyi guys.....Best Buy will price match most online competitors. They are trying to change their image and i think that they are doing a pretty good job. you also have a 30 day price guarantee and price match as well.

what do you guys want....another retailer going out of business like circuit city? and have more people out of work?

now i get it that some stores have better staff then others and that they do not always train their staff well....but times are tuff and we have to all help support each other. what happens when we all feel like this and then best buy goes out of business.....then what?
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just an fyi guys.....Best Buy will price match most online competitors. They are trying to change their image and i think that they are doing a pretty good job. you also have a 30 day price guarantee and price match as well.

what do you guys want....another retailer going out of business like circuit city? and have more people out of work?

now i get it that some stores have better staff then others and that they do not always train their staff well....but times are tuff and we have to all help support each other. what happens when we all feel like this and then best buy goes out of business.....then what?
When they tell us to shop on line, what does that say? 90% of the stuff I try to buy there I am told they have it online.

I do get what you are saying though.
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When they tell us to shop on line, what does that say? 90% of the stuff I try to buy there I am told they have it online.

I do get what you are saying though.
yeah i see what you are saying......... the best buy where i live will jump thru hoops to get the customer to buy thru them locally. if they have it online....they will order it for you and you can just pick it up there and not have to pay for shipping.

so.....this is just where management is failing the customers and the employees not trained very well as to what and how to offer assistance to customers.

i like best buy....i mean where else can you go and play around with most products before you buy it?
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That’s probably true for all sorts of product lines nowadays, but electronics may be the best example. I think BB will have to sell en masse to Amazon, at a ridiculously low price, just to keep its doors open. But Amazon may have no interest in running the stores they just spent ten years driving underground.

And if that’s true, online shopping will forever dominate, malls will crumble, and we won’t have anyplace to check out a product before we head back to our computer and order it online.

Pretty soon, ironically, the buying public will have the destoyed its ability to see what it’s ordering.
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I'm all for people having jobs, but myself and many other consumers have chosen to vote with our dollars elsewhere. Best Buys are closing stores all over and you see Best Buy mobile stores springing up where all they have are cellphones because that's what is profitable for them.

I was more than willing to buy my nexus 7 from BB. But 6 months later they still refuse to stock it and every time I asked the person didn't even know what it was. My opinion: it would outsell all of the $500-600 ipad and android tablets they have on the shelf so they won't stock it.

They'd rather cater to the iCrowd with the big display. They prefer to make their money on the uninformed consumer.
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The new riddle will become: would you rather buy something for a hundred dollars and be able to check it out first – hold it in your hands – or would you rather pay fifty, but have to buy it sight unseen?
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The last couple times I been in best buy the did not even ask if I needed help until I stormed away from the ipad case.

The did respond to a tweet and I give them props for that
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The new riddle will become: would you rather buy something for a hundred dollars and be able to check it out first – hold it in your hands – or would you rather pay fifty, but have to buy it sight unseen?
For a piece of technology that I've already done plenty of research on and read reviews and know what I'm getting... I'd rather get it online.

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Will not shop in Best Buy. Will not go inside, but that's okay they have plenty of other customers. Used to work there.
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just an fyi guys.....Best Buy will price match most online competitors. They are trying to change their image and i think that they are doing a pretty good job. you also have a 30 day price guarantee and price match as well.

Thats great for stuff they have in stock but if you have to order online you can get a better deal with another retailer.

what do you guys want....another retailer going out of business like circuit city? and have more people out of work?

Circuit City really is a bad example they went out of business because of over priced stuff and horrible management. If any retailer is following that business plan they will suffer the same fate.

now i get it that some stores have better staff then others and that they do not always train their staff well....but times are tuff and we have to all help support each other. what happens when we all feel like this and then best buy goes out of business.....then what?
Then we will go elsewhere just like we always do.

Personally I would have to drive an hour either north or south to find a Best Buy anyways. I live in a small community and well if wal-mart doesn't have it you either go on line or to Jacksonville.

to the OP. Stores are in business to make money not to save you money. Fact is they probably can't sell a phone with out a contract and get the incentives that the carriers offer them. I'm sure they get a nice deal from the "Sale" of the item by the carrier. Paying full price for the device without a contract is the only way they can make money on said device other than that they are losing to much to make it worth their while. I wouldn't doubt that they make more on the device with a contract than they do without it.
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I was more than willing to buy my nexus 7 from BB. But 6 months later they still refuse to stock it and every time I asked the person didn't even know what it was. My opinion: it would outsell all of the $500-600 ipad and android tablets they have on the shelf so they won't stock it.
A best buy employee told me that Google and best buy got into a "fight" recently, so they don't sell any nexus products anymore.
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It really varies with Best Buy in my experience. I've had really good service, and really poor service in the past year. Everything from clueless floor reps, to customer service people willing to do everything they can to make sure I leave happy. It might have been before they changed their policy, but when I was looking into picking up a Google TV box, they were selling it for 300 in store, and they refused to match the amazon price of 195. Granted I didn't end up buying it at all, but if they had matched it right then and there, I would have.
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Wow, did not mean to cause friction here.
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no friction as far as i can tell
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Service seems to be dependent on store and management. Example :

I went into the Best Buy by my house. I waited 20 minutes to finally ask a rep for the product I wanted (16gb Asus Transformer (TF300T)). I waited another 10 minutes while he finished up with a another customer. Then he flat told me "We don't have any" and walked away to another customer. Hoping service would turn around, I found someone else and asked if they had the 32 gig model. "Yeah, we have it, you want one?" (this was said with an almost standoffish tone). I said "No thanks" and left.

I then went to a Best Buy near my work. I was greeted right away and shown pretty much every tablet they had. The sales associate was professional and fairly knowledgeable (I knew much more than him, but he put in alot of effort so I let him do his thing). They had both the 16gb and the 32 gb. Because of his fantastic service, I opted for the more expensive 32gb, and made sure to tell his store manager that he did a fantastic job.

I've also had issues with price match. I went to one Best Buy to be told "We don't match online retailers" (this was a few years back). I went to another Best Buy (we have several near where I live) and they matched without batting an eye.

Seems to me Best Buy corporate really needs to get their customer service standards set with particular attention to hiring quality people to work there. I was going to go there to buy a PS3 and Wii U for my nephew, but opted for Gamestop instead. I received prompt service and they took alot of time (more than I needed) to try and help me (and the store was closing!)
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My local Best Buy is a 10 min walk from where I live. But, it's a cluster of a store. Pretty small and the staff are terrible for service.
I was visiting family in NC over Christmas and I popped in to their local store. I forgot just how huge it was. They even had a rep on hand to demo some Chrome books, pretty cool. But I was looking for a simple cable and had to ask a couple people just to find it.
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Got to stack offers with my Evo trade-in, got my launch day LTEvo for $50, picked up a second one this month for free. And was treated very nicely on the free transaction.
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Store management means a lot. Even with management change, once a bad attitude gets into a store, it's almost impossible to get rid of without a complete staff change. Still, my observation of the local BB is that they were much better when Circuit City was still around. I have very little reason to go to BB these days. Only receiving a gift card gets me there. For computer hardware, Newegg and Amazon ship it to me almost as fast as I can make the trip to BB, they're cheaper and I don't have to get dressed to shop there. No matter how well run they are, I think the whole operation is toast. Online shopping has already killed BB, we're just witnessing it slowly bleed out.
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Call me old fashioned but sometimes I like to hold a product in hand. Also, I'd rather return or exchange in person. And then there's the time where I want/need something now. I'm more than willing to pay more to bring it home and be back in business in a matter of minutes.

I buy a lot of stuff through Amazon et al. but I think it'd be a shame to lose Best Buy. I felt the same way about Circuit City going under. Losing brick and mortars is a bad future imo.
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On one side of the coin, they are doing this to themselves. On the other side of the coin, they are a one-size-fits-all kind of store and cannot carry everything for everyone.

I hate making returns, I try to do my research on stuff I buy before I even go look at it because I am often hounded by sales staff while I am just looking or browsing. But when I want to buy something, no one is to be found or they don't have the product!

If I have to make a return, I much rather take it back to the store instead of worrying about shipping, boxing things up, etc.

It is kind of funny, most questions I have about products I get, "umm....."

I am kind of glad for best buy. I was able to buy two kindle paperwhites from them, when Amazon had like a two week wait.

Oh, and Best buy support twitter account contacted me after I kind of rudely called them out on the 800$ price tag on the note 2. I was told they do price match. I kindly thanked them for the response, I did not expect it, so that was good.
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Call me old fashioned but sometimes I like to hold a product in hand. Also, I'd rather return or exchange in person. And then there's the time where I want/need something now. I'm more than willing to pay more to bring it home and be back in business in a matter of minutes.

I buy a lot of stuff through Amazon et al. but I think it'd be a shame to lose Best Buy. I felt the same way about Circuit City going under. Losing brick and mortars is a bad future imo.
i was just going to say exactly what you just said. there is just something about going into best buy and get to see the product and get a feel for the product.

i too was sad to see circuit city go...though they are still have their online store>>>>though looks like tigercity has taken over

i also like to buy things online from amazon, newegg and ebay as well. but i think that best buy with their new policies will continue to steer me in the store. loosing them would be bad for everyone.

how many more stores and business are we willing to loose? we just had an albertson's close down where i live. i knew the produce manager there. and now i have to go to fresh and easy ( the closet store that has any decent produce) or target for standard groceries.

sorry now i'm ranting.......sorry op
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The thing is you'll always buy your groceries locally. I don't see an online service like Amazon replacing going to the grocery store.

Best buy on the other hand has very real competitors online. I think they'll become less and less competitive as an older population that still prefers buying things in store gives way to a consumer who has grown up with online shopping
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Call me old fashioned but sometimes I like to hold a product in hand. Also, I'd rather return or exchange in person. And then there's the time where I want/need something now. I'm more than willing to pay more to bring it home and be back in business in a matter of minutes.

I buy a lot of stuff through Amazon et al. but I think it'd be a shame to lose Best Buy. I felt the same way about Circuit City going under. Losing brick and mortars is a bad future imo.
I agree 100%. Unfortunately, a large b&m operation can't exist as a place to touch and feel before purchasing online. The hope that once the big boxes that crushed the little independent retailers get crushed by the on line guys, there may be a place for some of those smaller operations to return. If there's a need for a place that gives service and instant gratification at a price, someone will provide it.
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Hopefully not derailing too much, but has anyone been to an HHGregg?
Never have myself but see they market themselves quite a bit. There's one out in the suburbs here.
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just found this article stating that best buy is probably going to file chapter 11 in 2013. now im going to have no computer stores around me! thoughts?

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i can usually find cheaper on the internet but im one of those people that dont like to wait for things... i would rather spend more money and take it home tonight then spend $20 less and have to wait even a week... and i cant see spending alot of money on shipping because then you might as well just went to the store and get it that way
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i was just going to say exactly what you just said. there is just something about going into best buy and get to see the product and get a feel for the product.

i too was sad to see circuit city go...though they are still have their online store>>>>though looks like tigercity has taken over
I enjoy shopping at Best Buy but just like Radio Shack unless you get it on sale you're probably paying too much. I guess I'm lucky because my local will price match just about anything. Amazon doesn't just win on price point, by limiting their physical presence most people can buy tax free and returns are ridiculously easy, just print out the mailing label and tell them when it's convenient for you and they schedule UPS to pick it up at your door. One thing that no one else can beat though is the BB black tie warranty, you get 2 defective devices in a row and your entire purchase price is applied to a different one. And Tiger Direct does own the Circuit City name for online presence, same thing as another one of my favorite stores to go under, CompUSA.
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I check out products there, but any purchase I make gets done on Amazon where the prices are at least half off
Plus you don't have to waste gas too.
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As stated earlier I don't have an the option to check out the brick and morter stores. Most are to far away from me and really its just easier to shop from home. If those stores are to compete then they will need to build their stores in the more remote places such as where I live. The consumer base that they are ignoring is what has been captured by the online stores. Over pricing is another issue that these stores will have to deal with as the local Block Buster was shutdown do to the fact that netflix and redbox made it so much cheaper to rent movies than Block Buster did. low over head is what is going to crush the B&M stores.
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Why call yourself "best buy" when you are anything but? Never mind the fact I cannot find stuff in stock when I want to buy (only to be directed to order the stuff on line!) the stuff you do have, the pricing is horrible!
Well, the company was started in 1966 and they once were a “Best Buy.” I remember the early BB.

From your friend and mine ... Mr. Wikepedia ... "Best Buy was named "Company of the Year" by Forbes magazine in 2004, "Specialty Retailer of the Decade" by Discount Store News in 2001, ranked in the Top 10 of "America's Most Generous Corporations" by Forbes in 2005 (based on 2004 giving), and made Fortune magazine's List of Most Admired Companies in 2006."

Once you build a brand name, it can be hard to change it. Someone at the top decides to change it or leave it alone. From the above, they did a few things right at one time. Retailers—all of them—need to find a way to compete with the likes of Amazon. I admit that I frequent BB much less these days. I stopped thinking Best Buy offered me the Best Buy years ago.

The net has changed shopping. Many people use BB and other retailers to 'kick the tires' and then they go to Amazon or some other place to purchase. And I am not sure what you are complaining about. Not every store stocks everything you want. These days, the bottom line is important and as prices increase and customers decline, shelf space becomes very costly.
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We have a new mall here in SLC. It was created from the bones of two other malls sitting across the street from each other. This mega mall takes up two blocks and people seem to love it. Water was diverted from a local creek through the mall. That cost a pretty penny or three. It is stocked with little fish I am told.

Not sure if the Tiffany store and the large Rolex watch and Porsche Design stores are doing that well. At least we have an Apple store and rumors of a Microsoft store. Not sure about MS; it seems to have a problem leasing space.

There are reports that the other downtown mall is in trouble. It is also vast and huge. Apple left them for new digs downtown.

One thing this mall did was get people on the street. Our downtown was a ghost town. Most stores empty. Now, it is getting hard to find an available space on our once busy Main Street.

My theory is many people will arrive and leave with their cash so they have enough to spend at Amazon.
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When Amazon can't use retailers as their free showrooms, things will change, and it won't be better.

I am reminded of a mail order firm called Sears, Roebuck & Company but I'm probably wrong.
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I am reminded of a mail order firm called Sears, Roebuck & Company but I'm probably wrong.
That is one possibility. Perhaps we will finally have those Google Goggles and we will not need stores.

I remember when Christmas arrived, so did the catalogs. Sears, J.C. Penny and a few others. All that cool stuff you could order by mail rather than be disappointed when you visited Sears and the thing you wanted was mail-order only.

Just like today perhaps.
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The former CEO was just listed as one of the worst.
Worst CEO of 2012: Best Buy

Geek Squad does have a terrible reputation

One of our locals also discourages helpful employees. The department head was annoyed since an employee demo'ed a microwave for us. I didn't want one that reminded you there was food in it and beeped every minute. The MW in question didn't keep beeping and we bought it. Told the idiot manager that offices usually will NOT buy MW with continuous beeps as the person who used it can't always get right back to it.
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We have a new mall here in SLC. It was created from the bones of two other malls sitting across the street from each other. This mega mall takes up two blocks and people seem to love it. Water was diverted from a local creek through the mall. That cost a pretty penny or three. It is stocked with little fish I am told.

Not sure if the Tiffany store and the large Rolex watch and Porsche Design stores are doing that well.
Thing is, these are high-ticket luxury items. Part of the luxury experience is going to the boutiques, getting pampered and treated like royalty. Somewhat different to buying a budget Android tablet from Best Buy or whatever.

Anyway I don't think anyone in his or her right mind would contemplate buying a Rolex watch from an internet vendor.

If a mall luxury store is not doing too well, could be because it's in the wrong place, people are too poor. Rolex, Tiffany, LV, Cartier, et-al always seem to do well in Beijing.
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For me Best Buy as a showroom has become irrelevant. Once I research online and decide exactly what model I want chances are my local Best Buy won't have it in stock.
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I only go to Best Buy because i can't stand Wal-Mart. any store smaller than Wal-Mart (and surprisingly, Best Buy here in Owensboro, KY is quite small, even smaller than Staples, using old space from an old store that used to belong to the much larger MegaMarket, now turned outlet mall) is a store i prefer to go into. i can't stand huge big box stores--i won't even shop Kroger, i only go to far out IGA stores using old Wetzel's facades from the 1970s and earlier.

i never did like shopping online outside of app store purchases. i have to have a reason to get out of the house other than work, otherwise i'd turn sendentary really quick and that is not a life i prefer to adapt to, think Buy n Large from the film 'Wall-E' if you know what i mean.
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I know the people at my local bestbuy on a personal first name basis. I like going there, we talk check stuff out, its good. I've bought my last 3 phones from them, and a slew of other stuff. I buy some stuff online, some stuff there.

Also, the price match guarantee is awesome. They honor it, no questions asked.
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I used to be an avid Best Buy customer, remember that Amazon and other online retailers weren't always reliable.

10 years ago or so Best Buy actually had great sales and competitive pricing then would make their profits on 'add-ons'. People lined up outside on Sundays as their first sale day of the week.

Then I read an article about Best Buy's theory on 'Devils vs Angels'.

They saw Angels as the early tech adaptors that will pay anything to be first on the block; we all know one of these peeps. Devils were the customers that bought the sale items and not much else. Of course they wanted to limit the 'Devils'.

I was in the middle of the two but I saw it as hypocrosy to heavily advertise sales then not want to issue the items. Left a bad taste in me.
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