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Old January 30th, 2013, 07:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I recently spent a year using only Apple products. Here are my comparisons of Android and iOS. Note: These comparisons detail system allowances by the manufacturer.

Android:
I have been using Android device since the release of the HTC Dream/G1.

* Released: 2008
* Obtaining the source code for Android: Easy, allowed except for Google proprietary apps, free
* Changing and re-distributing the sources: Easy, allowed except for Google proprietary apps, free
* Compiling your own system: Complicated, allowed, free
* Creating clone systems: Allowed
* Learning to code: Easy, allowed, free, one official language
* Switching kernels: Easy, requires rooted device
* Switching desktop environments: Not applicable
* Switching window managers: Not applicable
* Obtaining apps: Easy, allowed, free, multiple sources
* Advertisements in apps: In many free apps
* Creating and distributing apps: Easy, allowed, free, one official language, no approval necessary
* Creating and distributing themes/skins: Easy, allowed, requires rooted device
* Cost of hardware: Varies depending on your needs
* Where to find hardware: Android can be installed on various hardware
* Aesthetic quality of system: Appealing
* Creating a multi-boot system: Easy, allowed, free
* Access to system files: Requires rooted device, if/when root is available

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I switched to iOS from Android in early 2012 because I wanted to experience the iPhone and iPod.

* Released: 2007
* Obtaining the entire source code for iOS: Not available
* Changing and re-distributing the entire sources: Not allowed
* Compiling your own system: Not applicable due to unavailable sources
* Creating clone systems: Not allowed
* Learning to code: Easy, developer fees, one official language
* Switching kernels: Not allowed
* Switching desktop environments: Not applicable
* Switching window managers: Not applicable
* Obtaining apps: Easy, allowed, worthwhile apps cost money, one source
* Advertisements in apps: In many free apps
* Creating and distributing apps: Easy, developer fees, one official language, requires app approval
* Creating and distributing themes/skins: Requires jailbroken device
* Cost of hardware: Expensive compared to non-Apple equivalents
* Where to find hardware: Purchase from Apple
* Aesthetic quality of system: Appealing, one theme
* Creating a multi-boot system: Not allowed
* Access to system files: Requires jailbroken device, if/when a jailbreak is available

In 2013 I gave up on Apple products and returned to Android and Linux. The reasons for my return:

Android devices are cheaper (prices are for contract-free devices):
The Nexus 4 (latest Phone): $299
Nexus 7 (latest 7 inch tablet): $199
Nexus 10 (latest 10 inch tablet): 399

iPhone (latest phone): $649
iPad mini (latest 7.9 inch tablet): $329
iPad (latest 9.7 inch tablet): $499

I'm back on Android and I've learned quite a bit. Long live Android

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nice to see you back in AF land. we sorely missed you. sorry you had to go thru all that to only realize how awesome android is!!!!!
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nice to see you back in AF land. we sorely missed you. sorry you had to go thru all that to only realize how awesome android is!!!!!
Yeah, lol, learned my lesson.. taught me that Android is indeed better. I've missed you all
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did you jailbreak your iphoney? how was that? was it easy to do? i have never seen a jail broken phone before.......just curious.
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did you jailbreak your iphoney? how was that? was it easy to do? i have never seen a jail broken phone before.......just curious.
I did jailbreak my iPhone 4S, but jailbreaking still doesn't give you the kind of access that you have on a rooted android device. Jailbreaking was easy and took about a minute, but the system is simply too locked down to do anything worthwhile even after being jailbroken.

Being on Apple products really angered me, it is now my life's work to move apple users over to Android.. one user at a time I've never seen a company so closed off and full of themselves as Apple is.
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I did jailbreak my iPhone 4S, but jailbreaking still doesn't give you the kind of access that you have on a rooted android device. Jailbreaking was easy and took about a minute, but the system is simply too locked down to do anything worthwhile even after being jailbroken.

Being on Apple products really angered me, it is now my life's work to move apple users over to Android.. one user at a time I've never seen a company so closed off and full of themselves as Apple is.
lame, even jail broken it is still locked down....that is so apple.
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Thanks for the awesome comparison. Too bad your experience couldn't of been better. I think now that I have been android for 4years almost I could never go apple.
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Good to see you back with us, ardchoille!

Interesting and detailed comparison you've made...thank you .
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It's so good to be back! Wowsers, I'm loving this new Droid Razr HD. I took it off the charger around 4:00 yesterday afternoon, been using it heavily and it's still got 40% after 14 hours. I know that these batteries get better over time so my battery life should be nice and long after a week of usage
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It's so good to be back! Wowsers, I'm loving this new Droid Razr HD. I took it off the charger around 4:00 yesterday afternoon, been using it heavily and it's still got 40% after 14 hours. I know that these batteries get better over time so my battery life should be nice and long after a week of usage
Yeah, Moto certainly has made a good decision in offering a device with such great battery life.

Did you see the guy that turned his RAZR into a RAZR Maxx?

Turn Your Droid RAZR into a Droid RAZR Maxx – xda-developers

How to: Convert your RAZR into a RAZR MAXX (source thread)

Pretty cool (and a little scary ).
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Yeah, Moto certainly has made a good decision in offering a device with such great battery life.

Did you see the guy that turned his RAZR into a RAZR Maxx?

Turn Your Droid RAZR into a Droid RAZR Maxx – xda-developers

How to: Convert your RAZR into a RAZR MAXX (source thread)

Pretty cool (and a little scary ).
Now THAT was gutsy. I don't think I'll be trying anything like that. Gotta hand it to XDA devs, they never sit still.
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Welcome back sir!

Every time I play with a friends iDevice, I end up wanting to bash the device against a wall in frustration. Unless you're willing to give yourself over to Apples way of doing everything completely, the devices are so limiting. It also come down to which system you're most familiar with. That's always been my frustration with many tech journalists who proclaim iOS so intuitive. It's intuitive to them because it's what they're using every day. Then they will proclaim Android as non intuitive, mainly because it doesn't work like iOS.

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My last Wednesdays task, copy 904 songs not bought through Apple from friends iPad to friends "new" iPhone 4s using work computer not associated with any iTunes account. Spend time searching out free program that will accomplish the task without iTunes. Find out that all need iTunes anyway for driver support. D/L iTunes which then requires an update. Avoid installing Safari and Quicktime. Find a program that will grab all the songs, not just the first 100 and then ask for $30-$100. Make sure that iTunes doesn't wipe the device you're trying to copy from, as it wants to do this...badly. Finally accomplish goal....after 3 frustration filled hours. With 2 android devices? Plug in usb for both devices and using windows explorer copy files. Time spent? 4 min (7 if the computer needs to auto d/l usb drivers). Double that if you only have 1 usb cable/port.
My friend who owns an iPad and iPhone even bought an Apple laptop to make his iLife complete. Unfortunately, he bought (got ripped off) an old G4 powered PowerBook. iTunes stopped supporting the PPC based systems before it started supporting iOS 6 . Not knowing this, I went to the iTunes d/l page and attempted to install 11. It downloaded and when I attempted to install did nothing. No "this version doesn't work with your device", nothing. That's intuitive.... To even have a chance at getting things to work, he would have to pay Apple to update OSX in order to run iTunes 10.6 (last PPC supported version) and even then, no official iOS 6+ is offered. Oops, that won't be a working solution. Funny, a pc at work that is older and much crappier than the Powerbook had no problem at all running the latest iTunes 11.1.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
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Hey there, ardchoille...

It's nice to have you back. Just to let you know ... I've moved your thread to our Lounge area.

Here's hoping we'll be seeing more from you.
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Welcome back sir!

Every time I play with a friends iDevice, I end up wanting to bash the device against a wall in frustration. Unless you're willing to give yourself over to Apples way of doing everything completely, the devices are so limiting. It also come down to which system you're most familiar with. That's always been my frustration with many tech journalists who proclaim iOS so intuitive. It's intuitive to them because it's what they're using every day. Then they will proclaim Android as non intuitive, mainly because it doesn't work like iOS.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!
I know exactly what you mean.. and that's one of the reasons I'm back with Android

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It's nice to have you back. Just to let you know ... I've moved your thread to our Lounge area.

Here's hoping we'll be seeing more from you.
Thanks for moving the thread. You'll be seeing more of me.. I'm never leaving again
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Here's what I like:

Choices of phones. Lots of options. I always like options. I don't want my phone to look exactly like everybody's phone.
The ability to customize however you want. It shows individually among users. Options to tweak.

I guess I do not want to be exactly like everyone else.
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Welcome back too, very glad to see you've decided to come home.
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hi ya..

so.. tell us the good parts of idevices.
what are we missing? i have never owned one.

my ex-wife has iphone and ipad.. and got our daughter an ipod. I have no desire to play with them. it just frustrating to have only 1 button (yes, android brainwash)

my little 9yr old daughter.. likes the Nexus7 more than the ipad.
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so.. tell us the good parts of idevices.
what are we missing? i have never owned one.

my ex-wife has iphone and ipad.. and got our daughter an ipod. I have no desire to play with them. it just frustrating to have only 1 button (yes, android brainwash)

my little 9yr old daughter.. likes the Nexus7 more than the ipad.
Well, after living with nothing but Apple products for a year, I feel you're not actually missing anything with Android. Android has come a long way, it's been tweaked for speed and battery life, and I can honestly say that it is a superior system when compared to iOS.

Take a look at my post in the OP, you'll noticed quite a number of "Not Allowed" and "Not Available" entries in the iOS section. I'm actually surprised Apple users can get much done as closed down as the iOS system is - which is why I switched back to Android.

In the words of a friend; "the grass may be greener on the other side, but you're going to have to mow that grass too".
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i am not sure my opinion matters but i had an iPhone 3GS long before i had any Android device.

for me stability, overall UI smoothness and battery life takes precedent over customization and widgets, etc. sadly this is where i miss my iPhone. it was a lended device that i eventually gave back for two reasons 1) the battery kept going to self-discharge mode once or twice a week, so when i would go to use my phone, it wouldn't wake up, only displaying the dead battery logo and 2) someone else at work needed it more than i did so i gave it back.

i miss the iPhone's speed, overall touch response, and lack of crashing. i never EVER had to reboot my iPhone. i often reboot Androids a few times a week, and i get far more crashes in Android than on iOS. the Android has a problem with touch accuracy, no retina comparison, and lag. keyboard lag is horrid. battery life in an Android phone is around ~24 hours tops or maybe a day and a half. the iPhone could go at least 3 days in standby.

there are two things i cannot do in an iPhone that i can do in Android. 1) wifi tether, and 2) download MP3s for free. i do still miss my awesome Star Trek LCARS theme that i had on my then-jailbroken 3GS though. it beat just about any theme i can do in Android.
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i miss the iPhone's speed, overall touch response, and lack of crashing. i never EVER had to reboot my iPhone. i often reboot Androids a few times a week, and i get far more crashes in Android than on iOS. the Android has a problem with touch accuracy, no retina comparison, and lag. keyboard lag is horrid. battery life in an Android phone is around ~24 hours tops or maybe a day and a half. the iPhone could go at least 3 days in standby.
Nick, I still think you're comparing the iPhone with some budget and maybe off-brand Android phones. Many of which really are underpowered for ICS or JB, have crappy software, lag, mediocre screens, poor battery life, etc. My Lenovo P700i, which is a mid-range Chinese dual SIM, doesn't do any of what you describe. And it was around the third of the price of an iPhone 4S or 5. Unlocked and no mandatory contract.

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there are two things i cannot do in an iPhone that i can do in Android. 1) wifi tether,
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and 2) download MP3s for free.
I don't think you download copyrighted MP3s for free on Android, unless you're doing something illegal? The exception would be a country that has free legal MP3 downloads, e.g. China. Certainly can't do it in the States AFAIK.
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MP3 Music Download on Play Store has free downloads and is ad-supported

Never thought tethering was possible on iPhone. it has been awhile though so it may not have been available then.

Mike, this is my problem with Android--the total lack of quality control. at least Apple is made to work on quality hardware which has never disappointed me. Android remains fragmented and installed on the cheapest devices that could hardly pass for dumbphones. for a comparable Apple replacement, you'd spend $100 or so more to get an Android. i'd stick with the cheaper alternative. when my ZTE finally does die, i'm getting an iPhone. the cheapest non-subsidized handset here in town is still running Froyo. not even close. everything else is $599 or higher. same or more expensive as an iPhone. and none of it can replace the retina display.
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Never thought tethering was possible on iPhone. it has been awhile though so it may not have been available then.

Mike, this is my problem with Android--the total lack of quality control. at least Apple is made to work on quality hardware which has never disappointed me. Android remains fragmented and installed on the cheapest devices that could hardly pass for dumbphones. for a comparable Apple replacement, you'd spend $100 or so more to get an Android. i'd stick with the cheaper alternative. when my ZTE finally does die, i'm getting an iPhone. the cheapest non-subsidized handset here in town is still running Froyo. not even close. everything else is $599 or higher. same or more expensive as an iPhone. and none of it can replace the retina display.
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I'm not convinced about your pricing Nick: here in the UK an unlocked, SIM-free Galaxy Note 2 (16 GB + SD) is Ł60 cheaper than a 16 GB (non-expandable) iPhone 5. And the Note 2 is more-or-less as expensive as it gets: a 64GB One X+ is slightly cheaper, for example, and while there are higher prices quoted for the Xperia Z, those are pre-release and will probably drop fairly soon (unlike iPhone prices which don't change until the next model comes out), and even then independent dealers are offering it for less than the iPhone already.

And while the iPhone screen is good, I can't say that I really think it's better than say the One X (my daughter has an iPhone btw, and it's a nice device - I'm not playing fanboi here).
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Every time I play with a friends iDevice, I end up wanting to bash the device against a wall in frustration. Unless you're willing to give yourself over to Apples way of doing everything completely, the devices are so limiting. It also come down to which system you're most familiar with. That's always been my frustration with many tech journalists who proclaim iOS so intuitive. It's intuitive to them because it's what they're using every day. Then they will proclaim Android as non intuitive, mainly because it doesn't work like iOS.
I have felt the same frustration. My wife got a free iPhone, so I had to move her contacts and ring tone from her old Galaxy Q to her iPhone. The process to do both of these seem unbelievably convoluted. Meanwhile, when I had to move contacts from her previous phone to her old Galaxy Q, it was just so easy. The same with putting a ringtone (an MP3 file) on it.

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i am not sure my opinion matters but i had an iPhone 3GS long before i had any Android device.

for me stability, overall UI smoothness and battery life takes precedent over customization and widgets, etc. sadly this is where i miss my iPhone. it was a lended device that i eventually gave back for two reasons 1) the battery kept going to self-discharge mode once or twice a week, so when i would go to use my phone, it wouldn't wake up, only displaying the dead battery logo and 2) someone else at work needed it more than i did so i gave it back.

i miss the iPhone's speed, overall touch response, and lack of crashing. i never EVER had to reboot my iPhone. i often reboot Androids a few times a week, and i get far more crashes in Android than on iOS. the Android has a problem with touch accuracy, no retina comparison, and lag. keyboard lag is horrid. battery life in an Android phone is around ~24 hours tops or maybe a day and a half. the iPhone could go at least 3 days in standby.
I would say that when the iPhone 3GS was out, Android phones, even higher end ones at the time were not as good as the iPhone in terms of stability, and responsiveness. If you compare the current models of high end phones from Android with the iPhone 5, you will find that the Android phones have come a long way. I haven't had to reboot my Android in over 2 months and the only reason to reboot it was that it got an OS update.

It appears your phone is a ZTE Avail from what I can tell. I checked out the info on it and it does appear to be a rather low end phone. I would not expect the same smoothness you would find on higher end phones.

Regarding stability of iOS vs. Android, one thing about iOS is that when an app crashes, it does its absolute best to hide the fact that it crashed from the user. With Android, it actually informs you that something went wrong. It is possible that a iOS apps crashed many times and you wouldn't know that they crashed.
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The iPhone may be great, but if it needs iTunes, I am out!

Long standing hatred for iTunes. Daughter had an original iPod. Set up iTunes account on my PC. She bought many songs, due to always asking for iTunes gift cards for holidays, birthdays, special occasions, etc....IPod died. Got her another. Guess what? At that time, you could only install your music bought from iTunes on 1 device!!!! Even now, there is a limit.

Bite me. If I go into a store and buy a CD, I can put a copy on my laptop, desktop, phone, 3 kids phones, burn a copy to keep in my car, etc...Not with iTunes. And before someone states this isn't legal, it is. I am not redistributing the CD (this would be for profit)...

I seriously nearly disowned my sister, her husband and son when they got iPhones. Nephew likes my daughters Stratosphere better! Especially the mp3 applications....
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Sherri.. i think there is a way for you to take the files out of itunes .. so you can use them in other devices.. legally.

i of course do not know how.. never owned an apple device.
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I've got a question. I have a friend that had to do a factory reset on her iPod and lost her music. Can I put her music on a SD card using my mp3 download on my phone then download it in her computer then install it on her iPod?
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Never thought tethering was possible on iPhone. it has been awhile though so it may not have been available then.
Been available since 2008, with the iPhone 3G AFAIK. But it's always depended on the carrier, if they activate that feature or not. And usually you have to pay extra to tether with an iPhone. But then with many phones and carriers, you have to pay an extra fee for PC tethering.

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Mike, this is my problem with Android--the total lack of quality control. at least Apple is made to work on quality hardware which has never disappointed me.
Yup, Apple devices generally are really nice. However they're also quite expensive and only Apple makes them. There's an iPhone 4S and an iPhone 5, and that's it for iOS phones. I believe the iPhone 5 starts at $650 in the US(unsubsidised), unless you commit to having a locked iPhone on a stiff mandatory two year carrier contract. and they're around equivalent of $850 here.

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Not everyone can afford a $650-$850 cell-phone here. All those budget, and mid-range Androids are good enough for the peasantry and proletariat of China, i.e. for those who can't afford the luxury Apple iPhones. Down in Shenzhen and on-line, I can buy a 4inch ICS Android phone for about $40 bucks now, It's probably crap, will probably have all those issues you described earlier, and will only last maybe a year at most.

I don't think of it as fragmentation, I tend to think of it as there's an Android phone to suit every pocket and budget.........unlike Apple.

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Like this girl I met on the bus this afternoon...

She seems quite happy with her cheapo "MI" Ice Cream Sandwich whatever it is. She and millions of others like her, could just never afford to own an Apple iPhone.

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for a comparable Apple replacement, you'd spend $100 or so more to get an Android. i'd stick with the cheaper alternative. when my ZTE finally does die, i'm getting an iPhone. the cheapest non-subsidized handset here in town is still running Froyo.
That sounds like they're carrying a limited range and/or old stock. If you're out in the boonies or something, can't you buy a phone on-line, like from Amazon, Newegg, Best Buy? TBH I don't think there's any manufacturers making Froyo, or even GB phones now, or very few at least. It's all pretty much ICS, with JB starting to appear in increasing numbers.


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not even close. everything else is $599 or higher. same or more expensive as an iPhone. and none of it can replace the retina display.
Is that what's available locally to you, in your town? Suggest you buy on-line instead.
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Sherri.. i think there is a way for you to take the files out of itunes .. so you can use them in other devices.. legally.

i of course do not know how.. never owned an apple device.
but others here can help...
Back then there weren't. They now allow up to 5 devices. But, you can burn a CD from iTunes, rip it back to PC (which removes the DRM) and then put it where you want it....I will never own another Apple device, as long as iTunes is used.
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Her music should be in her iTunes account. She can log in to that, and connect the iPod and sync. Or, if she had the iCloud based thing, she should be able to log into iTunes from iPod and sync...


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Is that actual MP3 downloads, or just streaming? So you can play the free music from Google Play off-line.
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There are many mp3 apps on app store. They are not streaming. Download entire song, play in any music player of your choice. No internet or data needed to play the downloaded song, but obviously needed to download song. My favorite is Music Paradise. Biggest selection of music I have found.
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Nice summary, and I agree with everything except maybe the app thing. I'm sure there are quality free apple apps as well as there being crap ones - just like android. Though, you're right 100% about sources. And the fact that if a developer for android is booted from the market for whatever reason, they can host their file on their own site and give it away there (or sell it I suppose).

I know I've gotten a few apps from a developer's site in the past, totally worth it

Oh, and nice to have you back!
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Well, I bought my Droid Razr HD Friday morning. It's now Monday evening and I've only had to charge my new phone twice.. and my battery is now at 70%.

This phone is fast and smooth, no lag at all, and I've been using it somewhat heavily for social networking and web surfing. WiFi, GPS and social updates (email, facebook, twitter, Google plus, tumblr, etc.) are always enabled.

This phone is amazing. Those of you who have had a bad experience on android devices compared to iphones really need to try a high-end android phone. This Droid RAZR HD cost me $20 (not a typo) after trading in my iPhone 4S - another reason I'm staying with Verizon.
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There are many mp3 apps on app store. They are not streaming. Download entire song, play in any music player of your choice. No internet or data needed to play the downloaded song, but obviously needed to download song. My favorite is Music Paradise. Biggest selection of music I have found.
I'm sure there is. But are they legal though? That's what I was trying to get at. Are they distributing free copyrighted MP3s with the copyright holder's permission? Music Download Paradise by "AndroidFreak" is actually a search tool, what songs it finds and downloads could well be infringing copyright. AFAIK it's apps like that, that Apple doesn't allow into the iTunes Store and iOS. And Phandroid forum rules forbid the discussion of illegal activities as well.
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I'm sure there is. But are they legal though? That's what I was trying to get at. Are they distributing free copyrighted MP3s with the copyright holder's permission? Music Download Paradise by "AndroidFreak" is actually a search tool, what songs it finds and downloads could well be infringing copyright. AFAIK it's apps like that, that Apple doesn't allow into the iTunes Store and iOS. And Phandroid forum rules forbid the discussion of illegal activities as well.
Quoted for truth. And they're cracking down on this, don't think that they aren't.
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They come and go, I've seen a number get pulled, while others stay. I was referring to internet service providers and the RIAA, along with the government.
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This is mostly directed to Nick: That lack of control over the phone market is why I HAVE an ANdroid phone. I don't get expensive Android phones. Look at my signature. I get a darn good TABLET, then get cheap phones that do the basics (track gas mileage, google searches, etc.) because I don't want a fancy-pants phone. My current one cost me 30USD... Without a contract. I like the lack of hardware mandates. If you want hardware mandates, get a Nexus, to be honest.
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This is mostly directed to Nick: That lack of control over the phone market is why I HAVE an ANdroid phone. I don't get expensive Android phones. Look at my signature. I get a darn good TABLET, then get cheap phones that do the basics (track gas mileage, google searches, etc.) because I don't want a fancy-pants phone. My current one cost me 30USD... Without a contract. I like the lack of hardware mandates. If you want hardware mandates, get a Nexus, to be honest.

only issue with your strategy...

my phone is ALWAYS with me.
tablet... only when i am at home or office.

so.. i need my phone to be able to do a lot.
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only issue with your strategy...

my phone is ALWAYS with me.
tablet... only when i am at home or office.

so.. i need my phone to be able to do a lot.
It always differs from person to person. My tablet's with me almost everywhere,b ut I generally don't use high-power apps out on the go.
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I own this phone and a kindle, and this phone goes everywhere with me. For my needs this phone can do everything except Photoshop. So I really have little need for desktop or laptop machines anymore.
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i will admit the cheaper Androids are easily replaced if broken (unlike an iPhone) but they are no replacement. i would rather have one which doesn't give me a migraine, frustrate me or cause me to angry tap. i had to modify the crap out of my ZTE to make it useable but it is made well. it has survived me angrily throwing it against walls, which means it's quality made and rugged. something needed in the work environment i am in (mechanic). but for tablets i prefer my iPad. my phone is just an MP3 player and occasional email/web browser. the use of it as a phone is extremely low. however it is no replacement for an iDevice for more involved stuff (games, stability, RAM use, etc) it just lags. any cheaper tablet lags. when i need the speed and smoothness, my iPad is used. i am not a fanboy. i use all of them. Android, Microsoft, Apple, etc. each has a purpose.
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Android phones are the same as every other product made. A low-end automobile versus a high-end automobile. Or a low-end bookcase made from fiber board versus a high-end bookcase made of oak. It helps to look at electronic devices as an investment.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 07:24 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Hey Ardochoille! Glad to have you back. It's good to have experiences in different OS's and other manufacturers. I know I am an Android guy forever because of the things I like and want to do with my phone. Wifey on the other hand, I think she's gonna go Apple soon. I hope she finds the same appreciation of Android if/when she does leave.
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Android phones are the same as every other product made. A low-end automobile versus a high-end automobile. Or a low-end bookcase made from fiber board versus a high-end bookcase made of oak. It helps to look at electronic devices as an investment.
Well if i am paying the same price either way it will be Apple. i would seriously hate to take the risk on a $599 Android tablet and find out i can still see pixels, and am still bugged by lag and a less than stellar touch response. anything cheaper is obviously full of all the above. even a $599 Android tablet lacks some things and i cannot change others. i cannot remove the ANR prompts when apps get slow. i cannot get application notification badges (outside of text, call and email if using a payware launcher) and the keyboard is unable to keep up with my rate of typing.
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