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Old February 8th, 2013, 09:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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a friend told me...

if you are ever forced to use your bank card at ATM to get $$$ for a thief...
you can input your PIN backwards: if your PIN is 1234.. you input 4321

the ATM will recognize your PIN.. and will still issue the cash as normal.
but will also notify the police with a silent alarm.


does anyone know if this is true?
it is great if so.

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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It's True!! the software does exist..and I think it's brilliant! but it's not installed in ATM's yet...
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i think this tech.. would be very easily done.. and would not hurt or harm anything.
why not do it??
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a friend told me...

if you are ever forced to use your bank card at ATM to get $$$ for a thief...
you can input your PIN backwards: if your PIN is 1234.. you input 4321

the ATM will recognize your PIN.. and will still issue the cash as normal.
but will also notify the police with a silent alarm.
And what if the PIN is a palindrome?

4114 backwards = 4114
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And what if the PIN is a palindrome?

4114 backwards = 4114

You just have to make sure you do the right 4 first lol
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Not true. And it's a dumb idea any way. Unless the cop is sitting across the street, by the time they get there you and the bad guy are long gone. Furthermore, you're long gone and they have no description of you or the vehicle you're in so they have no clue who to look for. They may pass you on the way to getting to the ATM and not even know it. Sure you could pull up the surveillance from the ATM camera, but by the time you get someone out of bed and to the bank to pull up said surveillance, the person is really, really, really long gone and you don't even know if it's a legit alarm yet. It's one of those ideas that sounds good until you start to think about it.
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It's a great idea, since more than a few people have been murdered after making the withdrawal. But because people do end up dead, I doubt that any bank would offer it as a service since they could be sued when people get hurt or killed.

The customer would need to have plenty of training to be able to remain cool enough to pull it off. Clearly something other than reversing the PIN is necessary, so they'd need to remember the number that they might never use just as well as the one that they use every other time. It's probably not easy for even a trained professional to pull off!

Once it becomes common knowledge, it's even less likely to work as intended.

If I did something like that, I'd probably opt to have a PIN that shows that I'm overdrawn, eats my card and makes me look like I'm broke. It might get me some empathy.
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It's a great idea, since more than a few people have been murdered after making the withdrawal. But because people do end up dead, I doubt that any bank would offer it as a service since they could be sued when people get hurt or killed.

The customer would need to have plenty of training to be able to remain cool enough to pull it off. Clearly something other than reversing the PIN is necessary, so they'd need to remember the number that they might never use just as well as the one that they use every other time. It's probably not easy for even a trained professional to pull off!
This is already being done with security systems. When my ADT system was installed, the tech told me a special code to use in the event of something like being held at gunpoint by a burglar. This code would disarm the alarm and everything would appear fine to the robber, but in fact it would send a silent alarm to ADT that they would respond to differently from a normal alarm. They wouldn't call to verify that there's a problem, they'd just immediately have police dispatched.

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That's what I've wondered about the ADT thing. I mean, by now, wouldn't any good criminal know about this?

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If I did something like that, I'd probably opt to have a PIN that shows that I'm overdrawn, eats my card and makes me look like I'm broke. It might get me some empathy.
Now THAT'S a good idea.
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Several banks now assign atm pin numbers to you and you don't get to pick them, also they are no longer 4 digit. I've seen 6 and 8 digit pin numbers. I don't think, with a gun stuck in my back, that I could figure out an 8 digit pin number backwards...
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with a gun to my back, I might not remember my 4 digit pin i chose myself, let alone an 8 digit pin I didn't choose!
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I would put my card in and put in my usual pin number and be as surprised as the would be thief if it gaave me anything. (I seriously am broke ) I'll tell the thief it something comes out they will need to split it with me 50/50.
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But my ATM pin number backward is the same as forward. I'm dead meat.
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This is already being done with security systems. When my ADT system was installed, the tech told me a special code to use in the event of something like being held at gunpoint by a burglar. This code would disarm the alarm and everything would appear fine to the robber, but in fact it would send a silent alarm to ADT that they would respond to differently from a normal alarm. They wouldn't call to verify that there's a problem, they'd just immediately have police dispatched.

That's what I've wondered about the ADT thing. I mean, by now, wouldn't any good criminal know about this?
Don't even get me started on how completely and totally useless home (and even commercial) burglar alarms are. They are a complete waste of money. Home owners would be better off lighting their money on fire. At least they'd get some heat out of it. Alarm companies are selling a false sense of security in most cases. That's about it.

Look at how this plays out. Let's say I'm a burglar. You're not home. I kick in your front door and go inside. Now, if you have a neighbor who's home they might see me and call 911. That's useful as the cops know that a) there is something going on for real and b) they have a description of me, anyone with me and the car I might be in. But that costs you nothing. Assuming no one sees me and no neighbors are around, your alarm goes off. The monitoring company is notified. Meanwhile I'm going through your house as fast as I can looking for stuff to steal. The alarm company calls your house. I can pick up the phone and stall them pretending to be the home owner who's forgotten his code or someone who is house sitting and doesn't know the code. If you have a cordless phone I can do this while I load your crap into my car. But let's say I'm not that inventive. I don't answer the phone. I just continue to load your crap into my car. The alarm company gets no answer at the residence so they call your cell. Maybe you answer and tell them that no one should be there. Then they hang up with you and they call the cops to report the alarm. Cops get alarms all day long and statistically 99% of them are bogus. You saying no one should be there means nothing to them as it could easily be some kid who bounced a ball off the glass or the wind or a cat or a malfunctioning alarm or any number of other things so it's not going to be a huge priority. Even if it is a huge priority to them they still have to drive to your house. By the time they get there, I've loaded up my car and I'm long gone. They have no description of me and I might even pass them as they drive up to your house. They have no clue. By the time they get there, they will find out that it was indeed a legit alarm, but I'm long, long gone.

Alarms are so completely useless it's ridiculous. An ATM alarm would be the same way. How long does it take from the time you put in your PIN to the time the ATM dispenses the money and you leave? Is that enough time for an alarm company to call the police, the dispatcher to notify the squad car and that car to drive to the ATM before you get away? They will get there and find a completely empty parking lot with no description of you, the car you're in, who you're with, etc..... It's a useless alarm.

Now, that being said, I've seen some alarms on a business that are useful. There's a chain of gas stations here that never gets robbed because their alarms are so good. If the clerk presses the panic button it passes a feed from the cameras in the store into a central monitoring center. The person there can see exactly what is going on in the store. They know if the alarm is legit or not and they can give the cops descriptions of the people involved and any vehicles they may be in. That is a useful alarm. That's not what you get in most residential alarm systems.
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I don't even lock my doors! hmmm I don't even have a key!! Lost it years ago...hahaha!!
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Our alarm at work can be finicky. I've set it off plenty of times.
2 things: they call almost immediately to make sure things are "okay". We also have to give them a verbal passcode for them to turn off the alarm.
Second, unless we're really quick with #1, a police officer always shows up within a few minutes. I almost always see a police car parked in the neighborhood where the restaurant is and this is seriously one of the safest (and not ironically, most wealthy) neighborhoods in DC.
Not sure about the ATM hack though. I DO like the idea of putting in a separate "safe" PIN that does something like display your funds as next to nothing though.
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Don't even get me started on how completely and totally useless home (and even commercial) burglar alarms are. They are a complete waste of money. Home owners would be better off lighting their money on fire. At least they'd get some heat out of it. Alarm companies are selling a false sense of security in most cases. That's about it.

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I see the points you're making, but I disagree. Before I moved home to California, I was living in the North Dallas area, in a suburb that was, at the time, the safest city in Texas for its size. There was virtually NO crime in my neighborhood. We'd joke all the time that 3 or 4 squad cars had to show up for an expired tag because they didn't have anything else to do. Ha ha ha. Until I was home one night when someone tried to break in. My husband had just left to visit a friend. My dog and I heard the sliding screen door opening, and we both jumped up and ran to the living room, and there's this guy trying to jimmy the sliding glass door open. My dog scared the shit out of him and he went running. My husband came right home. The police told us there hadn't been ANY crimes in our neighborhood recently so this had to be a freak incident. Whatever. We got Brinks a few days later.

Now, back home in CA, and in the ridiculously safe city I grew up in, we have ADT. They've come a long way from ~20 years ago! For example, in addition to the standard stuff, like glass break detectors, motion detectors, alarm-wired screens, they also have cameras. In my house, because of pets, motion detectors are out. I didn't like glass break detectors when I had them before, so they're out, too. So what we have is a combination of door alarms and wired screens. For me, it's not so much about stopping a burglary when no one's home as it is alerting me if someone breaks in WHILE we're home. I went into absolute panic mode after that attempted break-in, because it felt like, well, another violation (I don't want to go into the first violation I experienced). All I could think about was that if I had been in bed (I was recovering from minor surgery) with the bedroom door closed, my dog and I probably wouldn't have even heard the screen door sliding, so the guy would've been *IN* my house. I'd rather have an alarm go off to let me know so at least I can react.

It was the same when I'd go in to the office on weekends. I'd do that when I needed to do something involving bringing the system down, so I wouldn't disrupt the employees' work during the week. We were in an office complex, and there were usually no, or very few, other people around the complex on weekends. Even though my little boy (my 183 pound Great Dane) always went with me, I was still glad for the alarm system. Again, if someone broke in WHILE I was there--alone!--at least I'd know about it.
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You mentioned you had a dog. That alone is enough to alert you that someone is in the building. My dogs go nuts if anyone is near my house. A few years ago we were hanging out in the back of the house and suddenly my dogs went crazy. I had no idea why. I started looking around and found someone on my front porch. I didn't hear them there. I didn't see them there and they ran off when they saw me. No clue what they were doing there, but dogs let me know. A barking dog is a far better deterrent to crime than an alarm system. The alarm won't stop anyone. The barking dog just might bite the bad guy. He has no clue. So why risk it when you can go next door where they have no dog and just an alarm system.

Try a little test if you're so inclined. Disable your alarm and unlock your front door. Now imagine you are a bad guy and you've made entry into your home. How long does it take you to go through your house, grab one or two things that are valuable and easily portable (tablet, laptop, stereo, TV, etc.....) and get out the door? I'll bet money you can do it in under 2 minutes. What are the chances the alarm company can call you or your house, verify that it's not you, call the cops and the dispatcher can alert the officers and they can drive to your house in under 2 minutes? Assume the alarm company doesn't call you, but calls the cops directly. Can they still make it to your house in 2 mins? I really doubt it. A barking dog is a much better deterrent. I swear dogs can detect stuff we 2 legged animals aren't even aware of.
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You mentioned you had a dog. That alone is enough to alert you that someone is in the building. My dogs go nuts if anyone is near my house.
Yes, I know. And I used to have multiple Great Danes. But it worked out that my last one died [of old age] very soon before my brain tumor was diagnosed. By the time it was diagnosed, I was incapacitated by its symptoms, which included extreme dizziness (couldn't stand up without falling over). Since my craniotomy to remove the tumor, I've had a plethora of issues that brought me to the sad realization that I can no longer have dogs. Since I'm a responsible pet owner, I never let my dogs out unsupervised (even though our yard is fenced), and I'm simply not physically capable of doing the multiple in and out pottying and playing trips throughout the day and night. Otherwise, I'd have a rescue dog here in a heartbeat.

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I totally agree. But that's not an option for me any more...which is one of the saddest things I've ever had to deal with.

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I don't need to do any of that. As I've already said, it's NOT so much to stop a burglar from ROBBING my house as it is to ALERT me that someone's in my house.
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4114 backwards = 4114
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If I'm not home there are cameras so that I have something to give to the police so they can try to catch the guy, IMO that is just as good if not better than an alarm system.

If I am home, the locks on my doors are not for my protection, they are for the protection of anyone that might try to break in
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