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Old April 9th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/04/verizon-rigmaiden-aircard/

You know, I get the feeling that cell phones will be our downfall. There's just waaaaay to much of us and our daily lives in them. Personally, I cannot think of one single thing about us that isn't directly tied into smartphones, and can't be discovered.

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Don't put anything on it. Mine's a glorified PDA.

I don't use Twitter on the phone. I only follow the Mars Rovers and don't post.
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i need it, especially when talking to my boyfriend who lives in japan. although, i could go a few days without using it. it's nice lol
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Trust me, I don't have any personal info that could be beneficial to anyone hacking it. I also don't do any financial transactions on it.
It just the fact that so many people do, not knowing that a person smart enough can have their entire life at their disposal.
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We've all forfeited some privacy in using them.

Frankly, Im not sure that by itself is a bad thing. Its all in how its being used
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If someone wants to find out something about you they will. The government already knows everything about you that you never even thought of.
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You know, I get the feeling that cell phones will be our downfall. There's just waaaaay to much of us and our daily lives in them. Personally, I cannot think of one single thing about us that isn't directly tied into smartphones, and can't be discovered.
None of my financial information is on my phone, nor do I use it for banking or purchases other than the Play Store (which is unavoidable - and even then the financial data aren't on the phone, and Google get less info on me from Wallet than most internet shops I use).

I don't use social networking on the phone (barely use it at all), keep location off most of the time, firewall most apps, I don't back up anything but contacts and messages to the cloud, and only have a low traffic personal email account on the phone, not my main accounts.

So TBH I doubt the smartphone gives away that much more about me than my dumbphones did. The spooks would do better to hack my laptop

("Spooks" is British slang for spies - just remembered that that TV series was renamed in the States, so you may not know that term).
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We've all forfeited some privacy in using them.

Frankly, Im not sure that by itself is a bad thing. Its all in how its being used
Indeed.

I get the feeling that what will define personal power/privacy/security in the 21st century will be a person's ability to know what technologies are being used to monitor them, and ability to block or spoof them when the need arises. With spy satellites examining every inch of the earth's surface, and mandatory ID laws, it's going to be next to impossible for anyone to truly elude the all-seeing eye of governments. The most we can hope to do these days is to get so deep into the noise floor that the odds of finding your specific needle in a haystack of people would at least be a lot more difficult. Security through obscurity.
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The spooks would do better to hack my laptop

("Spooks" is British slang for spies - just remembered that that TV series was renamed in the States, so you may not know that term).
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"Spooks" is British slang for spies - just remembered that that TV series was renamed in the States, so you may not know that term.
Actually I can't think of anything else that "spooks" might mean, aside from actual ghosts, or the occasional gunship.



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I'm just getting a couple of rather nasty ideas about where marketing might wind up.
Even now various sellers are trying to get you to go with only their products from birth to death. With a lot of free income dwindling and mergers making multiconglomerates that can sell from soup to nuts --- the pestering will be incredible.

As for the spooks - if they can decipher the "baby or inventive" talk the kid used to use---
(Twins will often develop their own language for a bit)

We still use a lot of those words, some make sense.
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What can we do about it? Cell phone companies will always want our data, but we don't always know if we can trust them. Soon enough we will not need carriers like AT&T because we are heading in the direction where we only need data, and there are companies that just sell data, and not mobile connections like talking and texting - which is a rip off in the first place.
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Actually I can't think of anything else that "spooks" might mean, aside from actual ghosts, or the occasional gunship.



Take that!
Actually it has a racist meaning as well, which was why I decided to add a disambiguation.
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None of my financial information is on my phone, nor do I use it for banking or purchases other than the Play Store (which is unavoidable - and even then the financial data aren't on the phone, and Google get less info on me from Wallet than most internet shops I use).

I don't use social networking on the phone (barely use it at all), keep location off most of the time, firewall most apps, I don't back up anything but contacts and messages to the cloud, and only have a low traffic personal email account on the phone, not my main accounts.

So TBH I doubt the smartphone gives away that much more about me than my dumbphones did. The spooks would do better to hack my laptop

("Spooks" is British slang for spies - just remembered that that TV series was renamed in the States, so you may not know that term).
No worries. I Understand the term in that sense. It's used here as well.
But I'm like you. If they're spying on me, the only thing they're getting is practice.
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Take that!
That is one thing I Never want to see circling where I'm at, because I know the devastation that comes next.
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Why do carriers want to 'spy' on us? I really don't understand.
 
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Why do Facebook or Google want to collect information on you?

At the end of the day they want info they can either use to sell their products to you, or so they can charge other people to use that info to sell their products.
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Why do carriers want to 'spy' on us? I really don't understand.
Im not convinced they do.

They can locate us when needed for assistancing law enforcement, but beyond that it would take more resources than perceived benefit
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NHS/NSA and a few others require/wants it. ATT has a facility in Utah. They want all emails, etc. kept.
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying. I've seen this discussed quite a few other places and forums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

By itself, the carrier isn't "spying" The carrier wants to know what you are doing to encourage you to buy more or upsell services.
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NHS/NSA and a few others require/wants it. ATT has a facility in Utah. They want all emails, etc. kept.
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying. I've seen this discussed quite a few other places and forums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

By itself, the carrier isn't "spying" The carrier wants to know what you are doing to encourage you to buy more or upsell services.
So in conclusion, the carrier simply wants to know what's your hobby in order to provide relevant 'ads'?
 
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Carriers collect all sorts of data about location and signal strength, data speeds, call quilality, dropped calls, ect.

Its to identify places to improve the service
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Truth is we have no right to privacy. Corporations are acting in legal ways which is why we cant sue them. A simple search by anyone with a small amount of knowledge about you can result in them knowing more about you than you wanted and that is just by going into public information.
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IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant | Politics and Law - CNET News

Another one. They troll FB and Twitter, too.

California is trying to combat that. So is the EU

CA bill would make Google, Facebook disclose user data collected - Silicon Valley Business Journal

The only advice - don't put anything online that can come back and haunt you.
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So that is why you should not post random shit that may offend many people
 
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Ah, when I was a lad the rule was never to put anything you didn't want the world to know on a networked computer. Mind you, most people didn't have any home computer or network connection, so it was easy to follow
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I'm annoyed right now about personalization. There's places to put all your info on the phone. It's my phone, I know who I am so why do I have to?

I'm tired of "everyone else does, it's customary, etc."

Personalization to me is a pic of my cat's butt with the words "Eff Off"
(I did have something like that as a splash screen on 98SE. You could change the stupid Windows one)
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I'm annoyed right now about personalization. There's places to put all your info on the phone. It's my phone, I know who I am so why do I have to?

I'm tired of "everyone else does, it's customary, etc."

Personalization to me is a pic of my cat's butt with the words "Eff Off"
(I did have something like that as a splash screen on 98SE. You could change the stupid Windows one)
Personalization is fine as long as you conform to what they believe that to be
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Why do carriers want to 'spy' on us? I really don't understand.
The carriers don't necessarily want to spy on you. That's not their gig, and they're not exactly the type to embrace new things.

It's the data merchants and the governments that you really need to watch out for. They're the ones with a vested interest in who you're talking to and what you're saying.
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I use my phone for alarms more than anything else, lol.
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How Verizon and Other Wireless Carriers Are Mining Customer Data | MIT Technology Review

I refuse to play. I can have everything enabled and as far as the carrier knows, I'm sitting at home.
I'm also ordering everything I want from online on the PC rather than use the local businesses who don't carry anything I really want.

Personalization. From personal. What I consider personal is different from what you consider personal and each of us should be able to do what we want within reason.
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