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Old September 12th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Not to cut in but can anyone get this fingure print thing and see if it can be ported over for any android . Apple think they hot shines we need to put them in place

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Not to cut in but can anyone get this fingure print thing and see if it can be ported over for any android . Apple think they hot shines we need to put them in place
what?

the finger print thing.. requires a hardware scanner to see your fingerprints.
so porting it to any phone that dont have that hardware.. would be useless.

besides.. that is an OLD feature.. the moto atrix did that over a year ago.
apples implementation might be better.. witih newer hardware and software.
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besides.. that is an OLD feature.. the moto atrix did that over a year ago.
apples implementation might be better.. witih newer hardware and software.[/QUOTE]

Correct... Others had fingerprint scanners first, and there's a reason they didn't catch on.

Similar to how HTC tried 3D screens on the EVO 3D, abandoning it the following year

Just apples yearly refresh to catch up to android
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Personally, I think that the biggest innovator so far goes to Motorola. Call it what you will, but in every review of the Moto X, DROID Maxx, DROID Ultra, and DROID Mini; Active Notifications and Touchless Control pop up time and time again as the coolest features, many of the reviewers stating that they don't know how they lived without those features.

Also up there on the innovation scale is the HTC One. I love the fact that the speakers are built in the front. That's where they should be, but that's also why I put Moto first, is becuase HTC One put something that should be in all phones. It just makes too much sense, it's the way it should be.
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Personally, I think that the biggest innovator so far goes to Motorola. Call it what you will, but in every review of the Moto X, DROID Maxx, DROID Ultra, and DROID Mini; Active Notifications and Touchless Control pop up time and time again as the coolest features, many of the reviewers stating that they don't know how they lived without those features.

Also up there on the innovation scale is the HTC One. I love the fact that the speakers are built in the front. That's where they should be, but that's also why I put Moto first, is becuase HTC One put something that should be in all phones. It just makes too much sense, it's the way it should be.
I think Samsung has some good ideas too. The galaxy note line are some really useful tools that I haven't seen in other devices.
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The S-pen is innovative, but really can only be taken advantage of on a phone as big as the note or galaxy tablets.

The rest of touchwiz gives me a giant feeling of "Meh"
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Not to cut in but can anyone get this fingure print thing and see if it can be ported over for any android . Apple think they hot shines we need to put them in place
Besides the fact it can be easily hacked - despite the false sense of security, the biggest reason you don't want fingerprint ID:

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Why? Nobody expected anything other than a refresh, yet it's probably received more improvements over the iP5 than the 4S did over the iP4.
Well I was hoping that they would mix things up a bit and not continue on the same boring path they are still going down.......and skip the refresh and built a better phone that's a worthy competitor.
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Why only neon colors for the 5c? They didn't think any grown adults might want one? They could have at least made a black one just in case lol.
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Why only neon colors for the 5c? They didn't think any grown adults might want one? They could have at least made a black one just in case lol.


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Now watch Apple get a pass on building a plastic phone. For years they dis Samsung on the cheap plastic feel of their phones not to mention other OEM that build plastic phones. Let the innovation and praises begin on how Apple plastic iphone is well built and done right..
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Not to mention it was supposed to be a cheaper option to help them compete in China, but it's still $550 off contact. Hence, the terrible stock market reaction.
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Fingerprint scanners were busted

MythBusters Fingerprints Busted HD! - YouTube
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No need. Hacking a fingerprint security system is easy:

MythBusters beat fingerprint security system - YouTube
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You can embed it like I did by taking the value that comes after the v= at the end of the youtube link and enclosing in [you tube] tags
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Why only neon colors for the 5c? They didn't think any grown adults might want one? They could have at least made a black one just in case lol.
Great point.

The white iPhone 5C is the only adult looking one, but most people I know don't want a white cell phone.
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Great point.

The white iPhone 5C is the only adult looking one, but most people I know don't want a white cell phone.
I thought white cellphones were all the rage now.
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The design of 5S is as iPhone 5 but it was supposed to be, as it is just the S=same version. Even Samsung's smartphones have nearly the same design from years, S4 is improved S3, Note 2 and 3 are improved Note, so no complain for design.

Camera was something that was supposed to be 12/13 MP but Apple is claiming that its camera performance has improved. That can be judged only when it comes in my hand.

Touch ID is impressive, sure it is an old technology but implementing it on a smartphone in most efficient manner is what matters and they have done it brilliantly.

Better processor, M7 motion co-processor for sharper graphics, iOS 7 looks awesome, 64 bit architecture, and more.
There are overall 70 changes in iPhone 5S compared to their previous phone.


Looks like Apple have done a nice job in improving their iPhone and we should agree on that.
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Why only neon colors for the 5c? They didn't think any grown adults might want one? They could have at least made a black one just in case lol.
Agree, they were supposed to offer 5C in black too, but adults can have a white one. :-)
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I get a bit concerned when folks post data from the Mythbusters and expect us to consider that a credible scientific source.
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Something to think about before you think the fingerprint scanner is the coolest "end all" thing.

Why biometrics don't work

I am a technician in the security industry, and I find that fingerprint biometrics really aren't used very much, and when they are used it is in combination with something else like a password or RFID

I am sure there are iPhone users out there that will enjoy it and tout it, but it is just "bells, whistles, and flashy lights".
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Its equivalent to our face unlock.

Interesting, but you'd never want to entrust it to keep something private
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Hey Gmash:

They didn't do to 5-C in black (or any other color someone over the age of 12 would carry) so you'll pony up more $$$ for the 5-S. Why would you even think Apple would give you a choice on anything!

Or you could put your 5-C in a black case...
Or you could put your black 5-S in a colorful case..

Starting to get confused again. Head hurting...
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The design of 5S is as iPhone 5 but it was supposed to be, as it is just the S=same version. Even Samsung's smartphones have nearly the same design from years, S4 is improved S3, Note 2 and 3 are improved Note, so no complain for design.

Camera was something that was supposed to be 12/13 MP but Apple is claiming that its camera performance has improved. That can be judged only when it comes in my hand.

Touch ID is impressive, sure it is an old technology but implementing it on a smartphone in most efficient manner is what matters and they have done it brilliantly.

Better processor, M7 motion co-processor for sharper graphics, iOS 7 looks awesome, 64 bit architecture, and more.
There are overall 70 changes in iPhone 5S compared to their previous phone.


Looks like Apple have done a nice job in improving their iPhone and we should agree on that.
I can dig it.

The 64-bit change I won't expect to be right until an update or two from now. I own Apple products and that's something I've been able to count on with every major change. Every iP4s early adopter I knew hated it but it got better.

The camera sounds great, but the proof is as you say and we'll see. Apple and Sony really seem to be trying in that area.

As for 70 changes - when marketing counts more feature changes than people use in total, I just change the channel.

The iPhones 4 and 4s were phones of their day in honest tech terms, for those that liked an iPhone. I don't know what the iPhone 5 was supposed to be but the iPhone 5s seems like more of an honest product again.

In my opinion.

PS - I still agree with my own comment on the touch id and agree with its comparison to face recognition - omgwthc.
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Looks like HTC is trying to cash in on their patent situation with apple

http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-max-fingerprint-scanner-spotted-in-latest-leaked-image-20130913/

(I'm making assumptions based on apples past that they've patented something, but I don't think its too big of a stretch, even if the technology itself isn't novel)
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A 64-bit chip in that phone is a gimmick. It has what, 1 or 2 gigs of RAM? No where near the 4GB limit of 32-bit. And developers aren't going to rush toward 64-bit programming when the money is made in catering to the 32-bit masses.

Apple has always done it this way, they make things and then attempt to force consumers to think they need them, instead of listening to their customers needs and making a product that fits them. If they did the latter there would be a 5" iPhone by now.
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If they did the latter there would be a 5" iPhone by now.
The WSJ reported (last week I believe) that apple was testing screen sizes IP to 6"

A larger iPhone is coming eventually
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A 64-bit chip in that phone is a gimmick. It has what, 1 or 2 gigs of RAM? No where near the 4GB limit of 32-bit. And developers aren't going to rush toward 64-bit programming when the money is made in catering to the 32-bit masses.

Apple has always done it this way, they make things and then attempt to force consumers to think they need them, instead of listening to their customers needs and making a product that fits them. If they did the latter there would be a 5" iPhone by now.
I should think that any developer that doesn't recompile to get a 64-bit / iP5s badge in their app store will be asleep at the switch.

And ram use - why is everyone going on about 4 GB ram? Addressing space and data width aren't the same thing. When/if Android goes 64-bit, I certainly don't want 4 GB ram hogging my battery.
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A larger iPhone is coming eventually
So is the heat death of the universe.

I'm taking no bets on which comes first.
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if you have the need for a fingerprint scanner or retina scanner on your smartphone, i'd be re-evaluating your life a bit. no one should have that type of sensitive data on a device such as a smartphone.
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What device should it be on?
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Bank vaults, home security, anything you'd expect it...who keeps such sensitive stuff on a device likely to be run over by a bus, drooled on by deer, or chewed by the dog? in either of those cases, a fingerprint ID won't save the data.

It reminds me of those old movies where some fancy tech or such was inside a suitcase and was chained or handcuffed to the guy carrying it. all it took was someone willing to chop off the guy's wrist to steal the device, often a nuke trigger of some kind.
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Not defending Apple, but Henry Ford once said that if he'd listened to customers, he would have built a better buggy.
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Wasn't even impressed with the fingerprint scanner. If or when they come out with Retinal scan.. Now that would be cool.

Seems to me most people were interested in the iPhone 5S coming in Gold color. Stupid.
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Not to mention it was supposed to be a cheaper option to help them compete in China, but it's still $550 off contact. Hence, the terrible stock market reaction.
iPhone 5C 16GB in China is equivalent of $750, no carrier subsidy available. So one has to quite well monied to own one. Gucci shoes pricing. ...and still no TV advertising for Apple, due to the ban on luxury product ads. The other thing I think hurts iPhone sales here is that many people now seem to want larger screen phones. 5 inch and larger, phones have become quite popular now, many of which are quite reasonably priced.
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iphone 5s 16gb 719 euros (955 us dollars) (estimated prizes here)
iphone 5c 16gb 619 euros (822 us dollars)

Note 3 32gb 750 euros (estimated)

Did someone say, 5c would be a cheap one? Eh!? Why on earth I would pay 619 euros for an ordinary phone when I get a Note 2 for 530 euros or a Note 3 from750 euros?

Ps. Im also disappointed that Apple didnt print more logos, text etc. on the back. There is still some space left!
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My coworkers and I were talking about the fingerprint security feature the day the announcement for the 5s and 5c were made. May be a dumb question, but couldn't someone just put like a ziplock bag over their thumb and press down on an old fingerprint left on the screen?

And I had no idea Android had fingerprint security a year ago. Makes me happy that I stuck with Android instead of switching to an iPhone because now I know for sure that I won't be lagging behind in smartphone technological innovations.

And everyone will get the gold 5s. Just like how everyone got the white iPhone when it was first released.
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a fingerprint ID won't save the data.
It's not about "saving the data", it's about providing a simple intuitive alternative to PINs, pattern locks and suchlike.

I may not have any state secrets or classified documents on my smartphone, but if I am unfortunate enough to lose it I'm damned sure I don't want some scrote picking it up and rummaging through my address book and emails. To me that info is very valuable, that's why it's PIN-secured right now, and why I'd quite like fingerprint ID.
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My coworkers and I were talking about the fingerprint security feature the day the announcement for the 5s and 5c were made. May be a dumb question, but couldn't someone just put like a ziplock bag over their thumb and press down on an old fingerprint left on the screen?

And I had no idea Android had fingerprint security a year ago. Makes me happy that I stuck with Android instead of switching to an iPhone because now I know for sure that I won't be lagging behind in smartphone technological innovations.

And everyone will get the gold 5s. Just like how everyone got the white iPhone when it was first released.
Apparently it doesn't work like that, has to be a live finger.
Why the iPhone's fingerprint sensor is better than the ones on older laptops | CITEworld
So no lifting of fingerprints or severed fingers or thumbs.
....although that might depend if any iPhone robber is technologically aware or not if you come out with all your digits still attached.
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It's not about "saving the data", it's about providing a simple intuitive alternative to PINs, pattern locks and suchlike.

I may not have any state secrets or classified documents on my smartphone, but if I am unfortunate enough to lose it I'm damned sure I don't want some scrote picking it up and rummaging through my address book and emails. To me that info is very valuable, that's why it's PIN-secured right now, and why I'd quite like fingerprint ID.
Its been proven that more often than not fingerprint scanners are the easiest of all to get into.

Why do you think hug government agencies and private sector use retinal scanners?
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Aren't there enough MacGyver episodes out there proving that such scanners are easy to hack? forget the mirror to the retina scanner, or the tin foil to obscure a security camera, there are a ton of examples in various 1980s films/tv shows proving that anyone, if they are really motivated, can bypass a fingerprint scanner.
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A new twist on fingerprints:

Apple’s Fingerprint ID May Mean You Can’t ‘Take the Fifth’

Because the constitutional protection of the Fifth Amendment, which guarantees that “no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,” may not apply when it comes to biometric-based fingerprints (things that reflect who we are) as opposed to memory-based passwords and PINs (things we need to know and remember).
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Geez, this thread is all about mis-information and fanboyism to the extreme! Yet, it is these same folks who call out Apple fanboys! Instead of blatant ignorance, we need to be more open-minded!

For me, Apple is like Toyota. They do copy and that is clear with iOS7...just like Toyota copying Germans' tech. Difference is that Toyota makes the tech smoother and more reliable. This is what Apple does...and ever so often, does indeed innovate.

I will address a few points:

1. TouchID is far more advance than the clunky unreliable Moto Atrix fingerprint reader. Remember, Apple is aiming for businesses. They won't release something that can be bypass easily. This ain't Face Unlock. No, you can't cut a finger!

2. Camera. Yes, it is still 8MP. But, Apple did many behind the scenes to improve it. And yeah, 8MP may in fact be better than 13MP because of what Apple did with the sensor and pixel size. Why?

Ask Anandtech: AnandTech | Some Thoughts about the iPhone 5S Camera Improvements

Or: A Photographer

Read it and educate please!

3. A7 processor. No, 64 bit is not useless on a smartphone...and yes, it does provide better performance...marginal to significance all depending on how complex (either mathematical and/or graphics) the program/app is. The more complex, the more A7 shines. According to CHAIR (maker of Infinity Blade series), A7 is almost 5 times faster than A6 when a game/app/program is coded for 64-bit with Apple compiler, such as Infinity Blade 3.

READ: Apple's iPhone 5s, the A7 Chip, and That 64-Bit Question - John Paczkowski - Mobile - AllThingsD

Here is another post that addresses this:
"The performance advantages of going to 64-bit very much depend on the entire software stack (kernel, drivers, compilers, apps) being optimized for 64-bit. The ability to address more than 4GB of memory is one clear advantage. But even if the smartphones today don't have 4GB of memory, there are some other performance advantages as well - provided that the entire software stack is optimized for 64-bit processing. The data paths, register files, caches, etc. are now 64-bit, so more data can be processed per clock than with 32-bit architecture - but the key here is that the compiler (part of the software development kit) must know how to take advantage of the wider data paths and 64-bit resources. If the compiler is optimized, then the kernel, drivers, and apps (which are compiled with that compiler) will see performance boost. I would expect that integer operations, and especially floating point operations (which often need 64-bit data representation), would be faster. Data-intensive games in particular will stand to gain the most if they are properly compiled and optimized.

If the compiler is not optimized, then there is really not much performance gain by just merely going from 32-bit to 64-bit.

When Apple said that the iOS kernel, drivers, etc. have been "re-engineered for 64-bit", I suspect that they did a lot of performance tuning that I mentioned above.

In addition, note that Apple also doubled the sizes of the register files in the A7. This means that more data can be kept in the register files, which can be accessed by the processor's computational units much quicker than the data in memory (or even in caches).

Note also that Apple mentioned "modern instruction set". I suspect that this means that the 64-bit instructions are optimized with the underlying 64-bit hardware. This is different from the Intel world where the performance of the existing x86-64 architecture is severely hindered by the old legacy stuff.

Having said that, I suspect that, in order to get the 2X performance gain over A6, Apple might also do something else in the A7, such as adding more computational units, tweaking pipelines, memory fetching units, cache / branch prediction, etc. Of course, this is just pure speculation as I have no inside knowledge of what Apple has done.

By the way, I think the rest of the industry is moving to 64-bit soon. I heard that Samsung will have 64-bit processors in their smartphone lineup next year (2014). If there is no performance gain for moving to 64-bit, then Samsung and others would not do it. Note also that the AllThingsD article points out that the road to 64-bit for Android will be harder and longer than for Apple.

With Google acquiring Motorola and Microsoft doing the same with Nokia, I think the rest of the industry recognizes that the tight integration of hardware and software has some good values after all...."
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BTW, this is what the A7 is based on: ARM Launches Cortex-A50 Series, the World?s Most… - ARM

Serious firepower. And yeah, Samsung went way off course with its Octa. Samsung really screwed up despite their expertise in chip design & manufacturing. The only chip that can keep up with A7 is the Qualcomm S800...and that is up for question.

Come on guys, less fanboyism and more Googling!
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A new twist on fingerprints:

Apple’s Fingerprint ID May Mean You Can’t ‘Take the Fifth’

Because the constitutional protection of the Fifth Amendment, which guarantees that “no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,” may not apply when it comes to biometric-based fingerprints (things that reflect who we are) as opposed to memory-based passwords and PINs (things we need to know and remember).
BTW, Apple allows you to use PIN (both simple and complex) if you wanted. In fact, PIN is still the main backup to TouchID. Read:

"Apple customers who wish the use Touch ID also have to create a passcode as a backup. Only that passcode (not a finger) can unlock the phone if the phone is rebooted or hasn’t been unlocked for 48 hours. This feature is meant to block hackers from stalling for time as they try to find a way to circumvent the fingerprint scanner."

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BTW, Apple allows you to use PIN (both simple and complex) if you wanted. In fact, PIN is still the main backup to TouchID. Read:

"Apple customers who wish the use Touch ID also have to create a passcode as a backup. Only that passcode (not a finger) can unlock the phone if the phone is rebooted or hasn’t been unlocked for 48 hours. This feature is meant to block hackers from stalling for time as they try to find a way to circumvent the fingerprint scanner."

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So, in essence, fingerprint ID is only as good as your back-up PIN. I steal an apple phone. I say no to fingerprint ID and then I just need to hack the PIN.

So, basically, fingerprint ID makes hacking an apple phone one click longer or I just need to wait through the reboot process.
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So, in essence, fingerprint ID is only as good as your back-up PIN. I steal an apple phone. I say no to fingerprint ID and then I just need to hack the PIN.

So, basically, fingerprint ID makes hacking an apple phone one click longer or I just need to wait through the reboot process.
Read it again...48 hrs or rebooting. But, is this any different from what you do now with ANY smartphone? The difference is that TouchID allows for QUICK and RELIABLE unlock while still maintaining strong security, on par with PIN.

What do WE Android users have? Face Unlock crap? That is the biggest joke! I can't believe Google actually came out with that crap! That is a problem when software and hardware don't match a damn! Pattern unlocking? Oh yeah, just look at the smear on the display and voila! Instant access.

Be fair guys. Give credit where it is due. Unlike recent past, Apple did good this time around. They have managed to surge ahead of competition where it counts...customer interface and future proofing. What has Samsung added that is worthwhile this year? Eye scrolling crap that only works sometimes and requires perfect conditions to work. They can't even make a chip worth owning!
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We've yet to see how "quick and reliable" the technology is as Apple applied it.

Let's wait til it's actually in peoples hands and really tested before making any claims about how great it is.

We have no clue how easy it is to trick yet
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Geez, this thread is all about mis-information and fanboyism to the extreme! Yet, it is these same folks who call out Apple fanboys! Instead of blatant ignorance, we need to be more open-minded!

For me, Apple is like Toyota. They do copy and that is clear with iOS7...just like Toyota copying Germans' tech. Difference is that Toyota makes the tech smoother and more reliable. This is what Apple does...and ever so often, does indeed innovate.

I will address a few points:

1. TouchID is far more advance than the clunky unreliable Moto Atrix fingerprint reader. Remember, Apple is aiming for businesses. They won't release something that can be bypass easily. This ain't Face Unlock. No, you can't cut a finger!

2. Camera. Yes, it is still 8MP. But, Apple did many behind the scenes to improve it. And yeah, 8MP may in fact be better than 13MP because of what Apple did with the sensor and pixel size. Why?

Ask Anandtech: AnandTech | Some Thoughts about the iPhone 5S Camera Improvements

Or: A Photographer

Read it and educate please!

3. A7 processor. No, 64 bit is not useless on a smartphone...and yes, it does provide better performance...marginal to significance all depending on how complex (either mathematical and/or graphics) the program/app is. The more complex, the more A7 shines. According to CHAIR (maker of Infinity Blade series), A7 is almost 5 times faster than A6 when a game/app/program is coded for 64-bit with Apple compiler, such as Infinity Blade 3.

READ: Apple's iPhone 5s, the A7 Chip, and That 64-Bit Question - John Paczkowski - Mobile - AllThingsD

Here is another post that addresses this:
"The performance advantages of going to 64-bit very much depend on the entire software stack (kernel, drivers, compilers, apps) being optimized for 64-bit. The ability to address more than 4GB of memory is one clear advantage. But even if the smartphones today don't have 4GB of memory, there are some other performance advantages as well - provided that the entire software stack is optimized for 64-bit processing. The data paths, register files, caches, etc. are now 64-bit, so more data can be processed per clock than with 32-bit architecture - but the key here is that the compiler (part of the software development kit) must know how to take advantage of the wider data paths and 64-bit resources. If the compiler is optimized, then the kernel, drivers, and apps (which are compiled with that compiler) will see performance boost. I would expect that integer operations, and especially floating point operations (which often need 64-bit data representation), would be faster. Data-intensive games in particular will stand to gain the most if they are properly compiled and optimized.

If the compiler is not optimized, then there is really not much performance gain by just merely going from 32-bit to 64-bit.

When Apple said that the iOS kernel, drivers, etc. have been "re-engineered for 64-bit", I suspect that they did a lot of performance tuning that I mentioned above.

In addition, note that Apple also doubled the sizes of the register files in the A7. This means that more data can be kept in the register files, which can be accessed by the processor's computational units much quicker than the data in memory (or even in caches).

Note also that Apple mentioned "modern instruction set". I suspect that this means that the 64-bit instructions are optimized with the underlying 64-bit hardware. This is different from the Intel world where the performance of the existing x86-64 architecture is severely hindered by the old legacy stuff.

Having said that, I suspect that, in order to get the 2X performance gain over A6, Apple might also do something else in the A7, such as adding more computational units, tweaking pipelines, memory fetching units, cache / branch prediction, etc. Of course, this is just pure speculation as I have no inside knowledge of what Apple has done.

By the way, I think the rest of the industry is moving to 64-bit soon. I heard that Samsung will have 64-bit processors in their smartphone lineup next year (2014). If there is no performance gain for moving to 64-bit, then Samsung and others would not do it. Note also that the AllThingsD article points out that the road to 64-bit for Android will be harder and longer than for Apple.

With Google acquiring Motorola and Microsoft doing the same with Nokia, I think the rest of the industry recognizes that the tight integration of hardware and software has some good values after all...."
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BTW, this is what the A7 is based on: ARM Launches Cortex-A50 Series, the World?s Most… - ARM

Serious firepower. And yeah, Samsung went way off course with its Octa. Samsung really screwed up despite their expertise in chip design & manufacturing. The only chip that can keep up with A7 is the Qualcomm S800...and that is up for question.

Come on guys, less fanboyism and more Googling!
Actually... It is you that seems to be misinformed. Won't cut off a finger? Puhlease people get their fingers and hands cut off for expensive jewelry all the time. Heck do that to about 5 people. That's a used car!

Also yes fingerprint scanning is easy as pie to hack! If you don't wipe off a fingerprint scanner it's a 50/50 chance they can just put their fingers on it and it will open!

There is about 15 well known ways amongst criminals to bypass fingerprint scanners. Like I said, most big government agencies won't even use fingerprint scanners. There's a reason.

And I think most of us could care less about iOS7. That was the lamest feature of the phone.
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Read it again...48 hrs or rebooting. But, is this any different from what you do now with ANY smartphone? The difference is that TouchID allows for QUICK and RELIABLE unlock while still maintaining strong security, on par with PIN.

What do WE Android users have? Face Unlock crap? That is the biggest joke! I can't believe Google actually came out with that crap! That is a problem when software and hardware don't match a damn! Pattern unlocking? Oh yeah, just look at the smear on the display and voila! Instant access.

Be fair guys. Give credit where it is due. Unlike recent past, Apple did good this time around. They have managed to surge ahead of competition where it counts...customer interface and future proofing. What has Samsung added that is worthwhile this year? Eye scrolling crap that only works sometimes and requires perfect conditions to work. They can't even make a chip worth owning!
The masses beg to differ.

When asked what phone was better most chose the S4 over the 5S.
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