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Old September 14th, 2013, 01:28 PM   #101 (permalink)
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We've yet to see how "quick and reliable" the technology is as apples applied it.
See multiple hands-on video, including Anandtech. Quick and reliable are accurate.

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Actually... It is you that seems to be misinformed. Won't cut off a finger? Puhlease people get their fingers and hands cut off for expensive jewelry all the time. Heck do that to about 5 people. That's a used car!

Also yes fingerprint scanning is easy as pie to hack! If you don't wipe off a fingerprint scanner it's a 50/50 chance they can just put their fingers on it and it will open!

There is about 15 well known ways amongst criminals to bypass fingerprint scanners. Like I said, most big government agencies won't even use fingerprint scanners. There's a reason.

And I think most of us could care less about iOS7. That was the lamest feature of the phone.
You miss my point. Basically, you cannot bypass fingerprint by cutting one's finger and using it. See above linked article in post before mine.

Want to bet that it won't be 50/50? This ain't your laptop fingerprint reader. BTW, Bank of America relies on fingerprint to verify and access your account (and your safe deposit box).

iOS7 is a copycat...fine. So, when Samsung et al. come out with 64-bit processors, will you guys say that it is the lamest feature of the phone? Note 3 was rumored to have fingerprint reader...does that make it the 2nd lamest feature of Android?

For me, as a consumer, it is OK to get a product that may not be 1st, but as long as it works better, then i don't give a crap who's first or last. And Android will take a long long time to convert to 64 bit...to even make Samsung 64 bit chip be worth a dime! Now, next year, be sure to call Samsung out for being a copycat and adding a useless feature like a 64bit processor with the whole Android still being 32-bit.

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The masses beg to differ.

When asked what phone was better most chose the S4 over the 5S.
Really? Source? Nevermind, you think that S4 will outsell 5S? Ooooo...you may not want to put down that bet dude. (GS4 sales are underperforming.)
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We've yet to see how "quick and reliable" the technology is as Apple applied it.

Let's wait til it's actually in peoples hands and really tested before making any claims about how great it is.

We have no clue how easy it is to trick yet
How many of us use PATTERN unlock on our phones? I do. Which do you think is easier to crack? TouchID or Pattern?

Face Unlock? That's secure? Hell no. And so damn finicky even after "training" it that it is absolutely useless.

What if you look over the shoulder of someone entering their PIN? Isn't that a problem? Do you go to a dark corner and enter in the PIN while using the other hand to cover the screen? No.

Anything can be hacked, copied, or stolen. TouchID offers quick access to your phone at the same security level as PIN.

Lets be realistic and not be blinded by fanboyism.
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There was a link posted in #90 that, if read, explains exactly why the various "McGyver methods" won't work with this. Scepticism is all very well, but please don't let it get in the way of the facts.
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Keep your shirt on.

I've read both of your camera references the moment they appeared.

And I'll reserve judgement until after seeing pictures.

Being friends with a lot of Apple folks in Cupertino, I've used OS X since before the public beta, and have used a few copies of iOS before those went public - and have used the iPhones 3gs, 4 and 4s several days before the general public.

And what I said about Apple having a track record of blowing initial releases of new operating systems and fixing them on updates stands firm.

Experience, compadre - not fanboyism.

In fact, let's all just avoid that word.

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And what I said about Apple having a track record of blowing initial releases of new operating systems and fixing them on updates stands firm.
Doesn't that apply to just about everyone? Didn't 4.2.2 broke a few things? No one is perfect...and yeah, updates is why they are called updates.

I am sure that iOS7 will have issues that will be addressed on subsequent updates. I was referring to the other "controversial" issues (TouchID, camera, and A7). I am not saying that iOS7 is pioneering anything...in fact, i wrote multiple times that it is a copy Android (and Windows).
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How many of us use PATTERN unlock on our phones? I do. Which do you think is easier to crack? TouchID or Pattern?

Face Unlock? That's secure? Hell no. And so damn finicky even after "training" it that it is absolutely useless.

What if you look over the shoulder of someone entering their PIN? Isn't that a problem? Do you go to a dark corner and enter in the PIN while using the other hand to cover the screen? No.

Anything can be hacked, copied, or stolen. TouchID offers quick access to your phone at the same security level as PIN.

Lets be realistic and not be blinded by fanboyism.
We're not being blinded by fanboyism lol. If anything it seems like you are.

http://www.gizmag.com/galaxy-s4-vs-iphone-5s/29030/

Incomplete but it seems to me 5S is losing much. Fingerprint scanner? Woooohhhhhooo! Maybe Wozniak will finally dump android for it (¡lol!)

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/166244-iphone-5s-the-64-bit-a7-chip-is-marketing-fluff-and-wont-improve-performance

Now we can all shut up about the stupid 64 bit processor. Sorry to say but Samsung would have actually made sure they could have benefited from the 64 bit. Just saying.

Just for laughs

http://www.everyjoe.com/2013/08/12/technology/iphone-5s-sucks-apple-review/

My own 2¢.. Woopy colors other than black or white!
To bad I had a lime green iPhone 4 front and back with the decepticons logo from Amazon for $35. Get real Apple.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S4_id7597 I'll allow the specs to defend the phone themselves.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Apple-iPhone-5s_id7710
Compare if you'd like.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-5s,Samsung-Galaxy-S4/phones/7710,7597

Comparisons anyone?

Here's the facts.. Apple is lazy. Apple uses gimmicks to fool their fanboys, where as Android takes care of their fanboys. This has been proven for years now.
Apple has given an unusable feature to their consumers.
Apple does not allow you to have real control.
Apple is closed off from everything. Closed source=less secure.
You can not download files from the Internet. (not even with jailbreak)
Safari over rules all browsers on the iPhone.
There is only the Appstore. Nothing else at all. (unless jailbroken)
Looks almost exactly the same.
Tries to Dazzle people with a Gold back and sides. Like their consumers are monkeys and they're jingling keys in their face as entertainment. Lol
Those were the cons.

Here are the pros..
TouchID (debatable)
Stable.. Eh. (most higher end androids are just as stable)
Slightly faster.
It's Apple.. :screwy:

I was an apple fanboy for years until I jailbroke. Then I saw how much of a turd it was.
And for the record I'm an Ubuntu fanboy not android. Just to be clear on that..

Sorry to tear your assessment down like that but facts are facts.
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Oh and to the guy who said calling Samsung copy cats of 64 bit processor..

What's the 5C? Plastic?? Something they made fun of Samsung for for years!!

Apple died right along with Jobs.

I stand by everything I am saying.
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We're not being blinded by fanboyism lol. If anything it seems like you are.

iPhone 5s vs. Galaxy S4

Incomplete but it seems to me 5S is losing much. Fingerprint scanner? Woooohhhhhooo! Maybe Wozniak will finally dump android for it (¡lol!)

iPhone 5S: The 64-bit A7 chip is marketing fluff and won’t improve performance | ExtremeTech

Now we can all shut up about the stupid 64 bit processor. Sorry to say but Samsung would have actually made sure they could have benefited from the 64 bit. Just saying.

Just for laughs

5 Reasons Why the iPhone 5S Sucks - New Apple Smartphone Review

My own 2¢.. Woopy colors other than black or white!
To bad I had a lime green iPhone 4 front and back with the decepticons logo from Amazon for $35. Get real Apple.

Samsung Galaxy S4 specs I'll allow the specs to defend the phone themselves.

Apple iPhone 5s specs
Compare if you'd like.

Apple iPhone 5s vs Samsung Galaxy S4 - Phone specs comparison

Comparisons anyone?

Here's the facts.. Apple is lazy. Apple uses gimmicks to fool their fanboys, where as Android takes care of their fanboys. This has been proven for years now.
Apple has given an unusable feature to their consumers.
Apple does not allow you to have real control.
Apple is closed off from everything. Closed source=less secure.
You can not download files from the Internet. (not even with jailbreak)
Safari over rules all browsers on the iPhone.
There is only the Appstore. Nothing else at all. (unless jailbroken)
Looks almost exactly the same.
Tries to Dazzle people with a Gold back and sides. Like their consumers are monkeys and they're jingling keys in their face as entertainment. Lol
Those were the cons.

Here are the pros..
TouchID (debatable)
Stable.. Eh. (most higher end androids are just as stable)
Slightly faster.
It's Apple.. :screwy:

I was an apple fanboy for years until I jailbroke. Then I saw how much of a turd it was.
And for the record I'm an Ubuntu fanboy not android. Just to be clear on that..

Sorry to tear your assessment down like that but facts are facts.
Are you kidding? You wasted all that space? Sorry, but all my links are well-known and respected folks. Love that gizmag link though!

How could Samsung make use of 64 bit when Android is far from making the conversion? THINK MAN THINK!

You think that Qualcomm S600 (or even Exynos 5 Octa) from Galaxy S4 is on-par with A7?? Dude, what are you smoking?! A7 kills S600 without a doubt. No comparison...not even on the same playing field. If you want to compare, then you need to use a S800-equipped phone (like LG G2). Hint: OpenGL ES 3.0 support: http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_5s_benchmarked_2x_gpu_performance_of_previo us_model-news-6780.php

But, do you want to bet which will sell more? You said "masses" have spoken in your prior post. Let's bet who will sell more. Put money where your mouth is. I dare you...lets put down a gentleman's bet ($50?).

The rest of what you wrote is just plain ridiculous...it is clear that you have no clue dude. Let me guess, you assume that RAM is everything, right? Or that GHz rules?
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Oh and to the guy who said calling Samsung copy cats of 64 bit processor..

What's the 5C? Plastic?? Something they made fun of Samsung for for years!!

Apple died right along with Jobs.

I stand by everything I am saying.
Yeah, but unlike Samsung (which i have BTW), the plastic on 5C is seamless and creakfree. It is steel-reinforced to prevent flexing. That is the difference.

Keep your "factoids" coming...i would suggest that you stop because you don't know much.
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Doesn't that apply to just about everyone? Didn't 4.2.2 broke a few things? No one is perfect...and yeah, updates is why they are called updates.

I am sure that iOS7 will have issues that will be addressed on subsequent updates. I was referring to the other "controversial" issues (TouchID, camera, and A7). I am not saying that iOS7 is pioneering anything...in fact, i wrote multiple times that it is a copy Android (and Windows).
64-bit computing in the mobile space - if that's not pioneering, it'll do until pioneering happens.

And the Apple A7 processor doesn't exist in a vacuum - it exists as part of that space.

And 4.2.2 breaking things isn't on par with my complaint. I'm not saying that it must happen - but I am saying that new Apple stuff at this level has a track record of going beyond breaking things and screwing the pooch.

That's not a secret and it's better known as a fact within the Apple camp than outside of it.

After years of not changing and improving QA on that level, I'm simply saying to give it a chance. I'll be paying zero attention to performance comparisons, pro and con, with the A7/64-bit until after at least one revision update.

Apple has a far, far better, but again not perfect like anyone else, track record on cameras. What's with the new lens? Will they stick to the expensive multi-coating of the past or cut corners in production? Do you think that the media experiences are being vetted as well since Steve Jobs passed away?

I expect the blogosphere to love the camera. I'll continue to wait to see for myself.
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I agree. But then again, Anandtech isn't exactly a neophyte in blogosphere....
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Yeah, but unlike Samsung (which i have BTW), the plastic on 5C is seamless and creakfree. It is steel-reinforced to prevent flexing. That is the difference.

Keep your "factoids" coming...i would suggest that you stop because you don't know much.
Have you used an iPhone 5s yet?

Or are you, like him, forming opinions based on the blogosphere?

Please don't tell people to stop posting unless you have a red name tag here.

All opinions are welcome.

Attack issues, not other people.

No one wants to test mod staff on that last point.

I wouldn't.
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I agree. But then again, Anandtech isn't exactly a neophyte in blogosphere....
Brian Klug is a nice guy and more than very knowledgeable. I think very highly of him.

My opinion stands for the reasons mentioned however.
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Well, difference is that my opinions are formed around well-reasoned facts and/or well-known sources.

If your criteria is true, then why have a thread about 5S at all? Should you restrict it till 9/20 and only for those with purchase receipt?

The point is that one should have knowledge based on verifiable source. Do you not agree?
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Read it again...48 hrs or rebooting. But, is this any different from what you do now with ANY smartphone? The difference is that TouchID allows for QUICK and RELIABLE unlock while still maintaining strong security, on par with PIN.

What do WE Android users have? Face Unlock crap? That is the biggest joke! I can't believe Google actually came out with that crap! That is a problem when software and hardware don't match a damn! Pattern unlocking? Oh yeah, just look at the smear on the display and voila! Instant access.

Be fair guys. Give credit where it is due. Unlike recent past, Apple did good this time around. They have managed to surge ahead of competition where it counts...customer interface and future proofing. What has Samsung added that is worthwhile this year? Eye scrolling crap that only works sometimes and requires perfect conditions to work. They can't even make a chip worth owning!
You should do a little reading.

Security is as strong as the weakest link. Saying what apple released is "strong security, on par with PIN" doesn't mean anything to a sophisticated thief.

And when apple says "Passcodes and the "slide to unlock" options will remain as backups if, for example, you're wearing gloves and can't access Touch ID." I know that it takes one tap for me to bypass biometric ID and get right to cracking the PIN. So no time wasted here.

And for you to say apple "surged ahead" is quite humorous when the Motorola Atrix had fingerprint unlock 2 years ago and something called an HP Ipaq had it 8 years ago. Of course now you will say apple made it "QUICK and RELIABLE" - but of course you've never seen it or used it.
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You should do a little reading.

Security is as strong as the weakest link. Saying what apple released is "strong security, on par with PIN" doesn't mean anything to a sophisticated thief.

And when apple says "Passcodes and the "slide to unlock" options will remain as backups if, for example, you're wearing gloves and can't access Touch ID." I know that it takes one tap for me to bypass biometric ID and get right to cracking the PIN. So no time wasted here.

And for you to say apple "surged ahead" is quite humorous when the Motorola Atrix had fingerprint unlock 2 years ago and something called an HP Ipaq had it 8 years ago. Of course now you will say apple made it "QUICK and RELIABLE" - but of course you've never seen it or used it.
Huh? Oh nevermind. Geez.
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Well, difference is that my opinions are formed around well-reasoned facts and/or well-known sources.

If your criteria is true, then why have a thread about 5S at all? Should you restrict it till 9/20 and only for those with purchase receipt?

The point is that one should have knowledge based on verifiable source. Do you not agree?
Nope.

This is a community resource.

Posts flow unrestricted so long as our rules for polite decorum are followed - and only because that just makes it more fun for everyone.

You're free to believe that you have the market cornered on the truth.

Just respect that others have the right to same freedom. No sources out there are going to allow you to ignore that right.

Knowledge and wisdom flows from many sources.

Many of your well-reasoned facts on the A7 for example - if I were you, I'd wait before continuing to claim how it's destroying everything out there.

But you do what you think best.

Up until the point that others rights here are involved.
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Well, difference is that my opinions are formed around well-reasoned facts and/or well-known sources.

If your criteria is true, then why have a thread about 5S at all? Should you restrict it till 9/20 and only for those with purchase receipt?

The point is that one should have knowledge based on verifiable source. Do you not agree?
Lol okay then what is credible?

Since when has the name tigmd been the leader in what's credible and what's not?

I would think almost all of the links I provided are credible. Gsmarena has been a highly respected name for a very very long time.

Nokia has the camera on way more lock down than iphone 5S.

Next?
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I am NOT asking you to stop ss1992 from posting...i am suggesting that ss1992 stop posting himself because he clearly has no idea what he's talking about. See below!

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Did you post a gsmarena link?? Gizmag is not gsmarena.

Look up Anandtech dude.

Want to bet?? GS4 vs. 5S in sales. Put money where your mouth is. Come on!
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We'll see when it comes out. All I know is by reading around on macrumors (might not be well known or credible to some people) is that people are not satisfied thus far like the other ones..
That's not a good sign in my eyes.
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then why have a thread about 5S at all? Should you restrict it till 9/20 and only for those with purchase receipt?
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See posts #105 & #111. I think that answers the question nicely.

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I am NOT asking you to stop ss1992 from posting...i am suggesting that ss1992 stop posting himself because he clearly has no idea what he's talking about. See below!



Did you post a gsmarena link?? Gizmag is not gsmarena.

Look up Anandtech dude.

Want to bet?? Put money where your mouth is. Come on!
Wait I will apologize for the fact that I called phonearena Gsmarena.

But hhmm........
I think this says phonearena.. Not gizmag...
At least have the decency to have enough respect to read everything someone is posting. Courtesy man.

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I'm sure I was clear about dropping the fanboy talk.

I'm sure I was clear about not playing moderator and telling people to shut up.

I'm really sure that I just removed three posts after Slug's warning to drop the bickering.

I'm sure that we never wanted to have to issue warnings.

And I'm sure that this is being read.

Infractions for continuing to ignore the warnings will be based on that if the silliness doesn't stop.
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I will say that the iPhone5 does offer some nice, if not groundbreaking, features. I think Apple's biggest problem is the pricing of their products in general (all products, not just the iPhone).

From the time Apple first brought us the Macintosh (most don't know about the Apple Lisa), their product line was being geared to the average user who was not quite comfortable with the tech stuff that most of us here are. With that in mind, Apple has built a loyal consumer base, and hopefully they will continue to bring them the products and services they want to see.
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The thread's gonna be locked soon at this rate. Why not just agree to disagree and move on?
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Link: After its disastrous Exynos 5 Octa, Samsung may have lost Apple's A7 contract to TSMC

This is a bias article in favor of Apple. But, it does bring up some interesting stuff:

"Imagine the field day tech punditry would have if Apple built even a low end phone with a Qualcomm Snapdragon. Now imagine if Apple floated out its iPhone 5s in some markets with something other than the A7 due to cost constraints. Yet when Samsung, a chip fabricator, did this, it was seriously praised for seeking out new sources of components, and nobody cried foul over the marketing blitz for a chip that was left out of the device in the country where it was launched.

Outside of backwards land, the Exynos 5 Octa was such an expensive failure that Samsung couldn't handle eating its own dog food within the most competitive market of Apple's home continent. It's not just big and inefficient, but appears to represent a dead end direction in mobile technology. It's also failing to deliver any appreciable difference in performance to the extent that Samsung felt comfortable swapping it out with a more pedestrian Snapdragon in order to make the Galaxy S4 price more approachable. And sales were less than impressive despite this marketing bait and switcheroo.

... there was Samsung's immediate reaction to Apple's A7 unveiling, where its co-CEO jumped to assure the media that it too is working on a 64-bit chip and will have one in its next smartphone at some future date, without really explaining why, apart from the obvious reason.

"Not in the shortest time," Samsung's co-CEO Shin Jong-kyun said, "but yes, our next smartphones will have 64-bit processing functionality."

Incredibly, this announcement garnered none of the frothy "64-bit is a hoax!" reactions from the media. When Samsung promises vaporware, it's serious stuff. When Apple delivers technology, pay no never mind! It's witchcraft after your soul!"
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I can't find the link to the image again...(it was posted on google+), but it was how for the price of an iphone, you can get a nexus phone, a nexus 7 and a chromebook. that really drives it home for me...
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I can't find the link to the image again...(it was posted on google+), but it was how for the price of an iphone, you can get a nexus phone, a nexus 7 and a chromebook. that really drives it home for me...
Doesn't that apply to Galaxy Note 2/3, S4, HTC One, and all the high-priced premium phones?
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How much did you pay for your Note 2? *blinks*
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The 5C is gonna end up costing over 1k here if bought outright, considering a lot of people buy their phones outright Apple really shot themselves in the foot with this stupid move. Then again they have always charged Australian customers more for their products, the same can be said for Adobe.
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The 5C is gonna end up costing over 1k here if bought outright, considering a lot of people buy their phones outright Apple really shot themselves in the foot with this stupid move. Then again they have always charged Australian customers more for their products, the same can be said for Adobe.
Not just Australian customers, Apple charges a lot for their products. Only getting them subsidized by a mobile service provider, involving a 2 year contract, makes the phone more affordable.

This can be said of the newest stuff from other manufactures too. A Samsung Galaxy S4 isn't exactly an inexpensive thing to buy outright..
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Not just Australian customers, Apple charges a lot for their products. Only getting them subsidized by a mobile service provider, involving a 2 year contract, makes the phone more affordable.

This can be said of the newest stuff from other manufactures too. A Samsung Galaxy S4 isn't exactly an inexpensive thing to buy outright..
That is true but at least the S4 is a flagship, still doesn't cost over $1000 though. They claimed the 5C would be a more affordable handset but it costs more then the previous iPhone 5 (over here anyway) Yeah we're used to paying more for things considering nearly everything is expensive here but this sh*t just isn't gonna fly this time around.

People aren't that stupid, they have been more vocal with this issue and even the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) realises this and has urged more consumers to file complaints so they can try and do something to regulate this. Android is beating them to the punch in the smartphone market and in terms of laptops and tablets, a majority of those users are just university students and only because they get student discounts.
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Heres the link that one guy was talking about.

AnandTech | Hands on with the new iPhone 5S

It's a fairly decent phone, I'll give them that. But will I give them credit as pioneers of ingenuity and utter genius? Absolutely not.

Is it worth enough to be a worthy competitor? Of course. But they fail to add as many features as the S3 or S4, and like many have said fingerprint scanning is old news and proven not so effective.

The camera on the other hand is outstanding. Very well implemented.
That's the only really good thing IMO, but this is suppose to be a smartphone, not a camera. (Although the camera is rather important!!)

I still think the Nokia 1020's camera outshines all the cameras, including the 5S.

For me a phone's most important aspects are features. A beast camera is not important to me, so naturally I wouldn't be sold on it.


Has anyone heard how the general public in China has viewed the 5C coming to their country? I figured they wouldn't be to excited about it.
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How many of s4 or s3 features are useful? I personally turn all of them off.
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5c was never meant as a bargain phone. That is 4s job. Here is a good read: Two factors reveal Apple
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How many of s4 or s3 features are useful? I personally turn all of them off.
The ones I can think of are Air Gestures (Air View etc.), although the smartscroll is hit or miss it's still decentish. Smart Pause is pretty cool, and the remote control option is pretty cool. I also think the NFC and NFC tags are rather interesting too.

I would say Siri has one against Samsung, but there's better alternatives than Siri on the playstore. Although Siri is pretty advanced.

Here is a link to the 5S vs the S4

iPhone 5s vs Galaxy S4: What Should You Buy? : Discovery News

The battery life thing is a plus I'll admit from the link, but the cool thing about Android is that you can root and undervolt and set cpu limitations, or for those who don't like root or aren't small time risk takers, just get an extended battery that can last up to 3 days. So that one is up to said person's perspective.

Of course all devices are solely based on the needs of the user.
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That's the problem with the rumor mill and the blogosphere. Someone got it in their head that Apple needed to reset and produce a budget iPhone and then decided that they probably would.

I don't recall Apple ever saying that prior to the release. If it happened, I missed it.

Nonetheless, the expectation was set.
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Ok, tell me if media and bloggers are not bias.

When Samsung came out with Exynos 5 OCTA, everyone was excited. When OCTA proved to be underperforming, no one said anything. When OCTA had technical issue (as pointed by Anandtech), no one said a word. And now that we know that OCTA is a horrid failed experiment by Samsung, no one say anything. I believe that we are now on a 3rd version of OCTA in less than one year! Yes, the 3rd version of a defective chip design. Not a single negative press.

Is it any wonder why Apple and Qualcomm do not use A15-Cortex!

This is Samsung, the premier chip designer and manufacturer failing miserably. They now use only OCTA in their GS4 heading to lesser markets!!

Did anyone complain or b!tch that Samsung put Qualcomm S600 chip into their flagship GS4? Did anyone notice that Samsung had to use its MAIN competitor in chip design in their own phone?? S600 is considered a 2nd tier chip from Qualcomm...and this is in Samsung' flagship. I know...when GS4 came out, S800 (top end chip) was not ready...but did Samsung care? No, they wanted to beat Apple and match HTC to market. (Interestingly, S600 easily matches Exynos 5 OCTA performance, which is pure fail in Samsung's face...a competitor's 2nd rate chip matching [sometimes beating] its own chip.) Did ANY blogger or media complain? Nope.

Apple puts their top chip into ALL their flagship iPhones. All 5S will have A7. No exception anywhere in the world. Apple designed this chip on their own. It is also a 64 bit chip. Everyone cried foul. There were rare exceptions of people-in-the-know to put the brake on all the negative/hate press.

And when Samsung a day later announced that they will do a 64 bit chip sometime in the future (but not too soon!), everyone in Android rejoice! Yet, maybe i missed it, but i did not see ONE mention that Android itself is far far from making that 64-bit conversion. (This is one benefit of Apple controlling both software and hardware.) So, yeah, Samsung 64-bit Exynos 6 may be ready in 2014-2015, but it will be hampered by a 32-bit OS. Did anyone ever thought of that? Why no criticism?

Did anyone mention that Samsung "statement" of 64 bit chip (not even reality) was pure marketing??? I don't see that any of you say that. Why not?
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Siri can be beat on any device. Google Now is close, Sher.Pa is even better. then there is Alice, which imitates Siri and also uses Wolfram Alpha--the thing with Alice and Android, however, you can change the voice it uses, while Apple users are stuck with only one. i quite enjoy using a UK accent or Aussie accented voice.

The Galaxy S3 is a great device without the Touchwiz bloat, in fact, with an otter box and white model it easily passes for an iPhone and works well for a former Apple user such as myself. and in Android, i can incorporate any feature i miss from iOS, while preserving the customizations of Android. what more could i ask for? my iPhone never really crashed but i did have issues with gameplay lag and stutter in my Pinball apps, that is not a problem with the GS3. other times, i'd open an app, get a loading screen, then the home screen. a second tap worked fine. a bit annoying. third, although the camera is the least used feature, when i feel the need to use it, such as to take a reference shot of a project i'm working on so i know what goes where when i put it back together, it helps that the camera is a good one. the 'iSight' camera built into my iPhone 4 was horrible. Very low quality shots. my flip phone from 2009 could do better.

My Nexus 10 though, it absolutely blows the iPad away on so many grounds it isn't even a contest. Also, with more and more formerly iOS-exclusives now being ported over to Android, i find myself picking up my past iOS products less and less lately.
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I also think the NFC and NFC tags are rather interesting too.

I would say Siri has one against Samsung, but there's better alternatives than Siri on the playstore. Although Siri is pretty advanced.

just get an extended battery that can last up to 3 days. So that one is up to said person's perspective.
NFC and Google Wallet are dead. It is a slow death. No one is adopting it...and when Verizon blocked GW, it was the beginning of the end, esp. now ATT is also working on a substitute i believe. My carrier (Sprint) is the only one that is really supporting it.

Apple is going in a totally different (innovative?) direction: iBeacon. Link: With iBeacon, Apple is going to dump on NFC and embrace the internet of things — Tech News and Analysis

This may be why Apple never adopted NFC (despite media and blogger's criticisms)...they saw something better and worked on it behind the scenes.
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Siri can be beat on any device. Google Now is close, Sher.Pa is even better. then there is Alice, which imitates Siri and also uses Wolfram Alpha--the thing with Alice and Android, however, you can change the voice it uses, while Apple users are stuck with only one. i quite enjoy using a UK accent or Aussie accented voice.
Google Now is very nice. But, it is basically a voice-search engine. It doesn't really answer a question, but rather searches for it. For example, you can ask GN to set alarm clock, but you cannot ask it to cancel that alarm. You also cannot ask GN to turn on/off Bluetooth.

S-Voice (Samsung) can do all that. But, S-Voice is very limited in scope and takes longer to process...and does not always understand you.

Siri is ahead here of the two i mentioned...not by much though. I have not tried the others you mentioned.
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Google Now is very nice. But, it is basically a voice-search engine. It doesn't really answer a question, but rather searches for it. For example, you can ask GN to set alarm clock, but you cannot ask it to cancel that alarm. You also cannot ask GN to turn on/off Bluetooth.

S-Voice (Samsung) can do all that. But, S-Voice is very limited in scope and takes longer to process...and does not always understand you.

Siri is ahead here of the two i mentioned...not by much though. I have not tried the others you mentioned.
S-Voice may be a little behind, but Alice and others from the play store, as far as I have noticed, not only are more efficient, but have more personality than Siri ever has.
I could so far as to say Siri was a breakthrough for smartphones. But Android devs have made Siri laughable in some cases.

Alice is one of the many Siri clones. Really really nice IMO.

And changing the voice is awesome to me.

Although it is in Beta, you should check out Utter. Really nice voice assistant.
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Well, the difference between designing and actual manufacturing something is huge. Have you ever heard that Apple have made something itself? Well, me neither... But Samsung do and make.

But such a so long post, so my answer will be shorter No one is complaining about Samsung because of the one simple fact: samsung phones are "this day phones". They offer quality and functionality for less money and practically they can be connected to any other devices easily.
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"This day phones"? Ok.........

My Note 2 often times get a "device not recognized" "driver is bad" "device is bad, need to disconnect" from my Sony VAIO laptop...etc. Note 2 is not recognized in my car thru USB port. All aftermarket wired headphones/earphones have extremely limited AND unreliable functionality.

What device are you talking about? I don't share that view!
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Well, the difference between designing and actual manufacturing something is huge. Have you ever heard that Apple have made something itself? Well, me neither... But Samsung do and make.
Yet, Samsung designed & produced a subpar failure of a chip. Yet, you're proud of that? I would not be. At least, my Exynos 4 in Note 2 was very competitive in its day, hampered only by an average GPU (Mali).

Frankly, i don't care who makes what...i just care about the END RESULT. Isn't that what we all should look for?

So, you are proud that Samsung has to rely on its competitor for chips in GS4? You are proud that Samsung is now on its 3rd version of OCTA as they try to scavenge what is left of a failed design? You prefer that over Qualcomm S800 or Apple A7?
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"This day phones"? Ok.........

My Note 2 often times get a "device not recognized" "driver is bad" "device is bad, need to disconnect" from my Sony VAIO laptop...etc. Note 2 is not recognized in my car thru USB port. All aftermarket wired headphones/earphones have extremely limited AND unreliable functionality.

What device are you talking about? I don't share that view!
Well that's strange, because I am using a Premia. Talk about WAAAY unnoticed. But my practically nameless phone has always been a recognized device no matter where I plug it in..
(Ubuntu machine, 2005 Dell, 2013 gateway windows 7 laptop, 2001 Ford focus alpine radio, rooms radio, my car radio, my step dad's car radio, etc. Etc.)

I find that rather shocking that a Note 2 would have errors like that.
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I find that rather shocking that a Note 2 would have errors like that.
I don't know. Honestly. I have no idea what is going on. It is not my USB port because my wife's iP5 connects just fine to iTunes via USB. Honestly, i was very much Android...going to get N5 or G2, but these connectivity issues are nailing me!
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Originally Posted by tigmd99 View Post
I don't know. Honestly. I have no idea what is going on. It is not my USB port because my wife's iP5 connects just fine to iTunes via USB. Honestly, i was very much Android...going to get N5 or G2, but these connectivity issues are nailing me!
You probably need to download GN2 drivers onto your laptop.

Back to the iPhone topic though, the camera really is pretty smooth.

I liked the idea of holding the button down and it taking so many pictures. But wouldn't run up space?

Oh and to share an experience of mine with the iPhone 4, that was actually the only phone I ever had do what your GN2 is doing.

Even using aftermarket cables would do it.. After the jailbreak it didn't mess up though.
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Last edited by ss1992; September 15th, 2013 at 04:25 PM.
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