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Old September 10th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Apple's next iPhone is... pretty similar to the last one.
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Apple's next iPhone is... pretty similar to the last one.
However, they have the finger print scanning. Now that is something really cool, and can lead to much better security. I really wish Android had that. Its sad to see that Apple got to it first, but that's the good in competition. Hopefully Android, Windows or Blackberry (LOLOLOL) can do something better.
Okay Samsung, I'm counting on you.
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Subtle differences. A round home button. But basically the same phone
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Didn't Motorola have the fingerprint scanning gimmick on one of their Android phones a long time ago?
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Didn't Motorola have the fingerprint scanning gimmick on one of their Android phones a long time ago?
Yes they did. And it has been tried and abandoned on PC's on numerous occasions. It's not a very useful idea.
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I admit it is cool IF it works and IF it is secure. Fingerprint scanners have been around with PDAs, phones, laptops, building access, etc. for over a decade. Don't see how it is significantly better than face recognition and that got old.

BTW, even the HP iPAQ 5450 Pocket PC had it in 2002
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Yes they did. And it has been tried and abandoned on PC's on numerous occasions. It's not a very useful idea.
But anything Apple does people jump to it, so this changes everything.
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But anything Apple does people jump to it, so this changes everything.
Sad, but true It's probably one of the biggest reason NFC hasn't taken off yet.
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"Aww, it's just like last year's phone!"

"OMG we just got Samsunged!"

NFC would probably be a hit if there were places that actually used them. for file transfers Bluetooth still reigns supreme there. why tap devices when you can beam a file across the room?
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I think, by touting leftovers as ground-breaking thresholds, Apple is displaying their Jobless, bleak future.
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accent on the 'Jobless'
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It's funny. Head over to the apple sites like MacRumors etc. Even they are not all gung-ho and high-fiving each other over today's "announcement". There is even some anger in those comments. And interestingly, there is not a lot of firing back at those mad about today's announcement by the loyalist
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On the iPhone 5S page the phone is described as "Forward Thinking" and having "the most advanced technology."

But as Gmash mentioned - the most talked about new feature, fingerprint scanning, has been around for years.


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Perhaps they are finally realizing that iPhones have always been a little over hyped
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I've largely ignored NFC, but after reading a thread in the Nexus 4 subforum, I have ordered some smart tags on Amazon. Can't wait to play with them when they arrive.

The new iPhone looks like the same thing they've been pumping out for years.

The 64 bit processor is a gimmick. With less than 4 GB of RAM and the time it will take for developers to catch on, there is no added benefit. Sure it will be faster, due to a better architecture, but it's not because it's a 64 bit processor.
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Teehee.
That's the problem with biometric security features...

...it could cost you your finger, eye, etc.
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Didn't Motorola have the fingerprint scanning gimmick on one of their Android phones a long time ago?
Motorola better look out: Apple's gonna sue their a** now they own fingerprinting

So the C in 5C stands for C***, right
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If it doesn't keep the *electronic snoops out, so what good is it?

*That includes malware, push ads, whatever else.
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The malls around here have NFC spots on the ad kiosks, which are animated. You can tap to view videos, offers, coupons, etc. I've used it a few times.
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The malls around here have NFC spots on the ad kiosks, which are animated. You can tap to view videos, offers, coupons, etc. I've used it a few times.
That would be more of a reason for me not to use NFC, but then I wasn't a fan of credit cards having an RF ID chip either. Working in the security industry, I knew how easy it would be to read them..


The fingerprint reader is not a new thing for sure. I played with it on my PC for a bit, and that was several years ago.
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That would be more of a reason for me not to use NFC, but then I wasn't a fan of credit cards having an RF ID chip either. Working in the security industry, I knew how easy it would be to read them..


The fingerprint reader is not a new thing for sure. I played with it on my PC for a bit, and that was several years ago.
But its new for it to be implemented into a cell phone successfully. Its not new, but its different for the phone market.
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But its new for it to be implemented into a cell phone successfully. Its not new, but its different for the phone market.
Wait - what is it that you believe is newly implemented into a cell phone??





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Bits aren't everything and I've been running some 128 bit NEON architecture since 2011 - as have many of us.

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No it isn't


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Hence my question, that's only been covered in 6 or 7 posts already.
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However, they have the finger print scanning. Now that is something really cool, and can lead to much better security. I really wish Android had that. Its sad to see that Apple got to it first, but that's the good in competition. Hopefully Android, Windows or Blackberry (LOLOLOL) can do something better.
Okay Samsung, I'm counting on you.
Android already did the finger scan and whatever Apple is putting out some where along the line Android has had it or done it already.
 
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NFC would probably be a hit if there were places that actually used them.
Actually, there are Mastercard PayPass locations that use NFC all over the place (saw an article that said there are more than 700K merchants world wide). I see them at drugstores, gas stations, fast food, Macy's, Petco, etc. all the time.

Personally, I always just forget I can use Google Wallet.
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Apple’s strongest horse in this race is the puny letter ‘i.’ They have an iphone, we just have a this phone or a that phone. They have an ipad, we just have a this or a that pad. So the hypnotized believe that nothing has any value if it doesn’t start with a lowercase letter. If Google wanted to get their marketing in gear, they could exploit their own letter: gpad, gphone, gmail, gdrive, gmaps, gtower, and so on.

Apple’s marketing consistency is all they have right now – knock it down and they’re done.
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Disagree respectfully.

Android's strength is the choice we get by having lots of manufacturers to choose from.

Copying Apple with a letter of the alphabet would compliment Apple, validate their marketing game, and obscure the point of Android - choice.

Besides - Android is already bigger than iOS so what's the point?
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We have the cute green robot logo as well as the word "Android". And they're heavily used in advertising and promotion materials for Android phones and tablets. Don't know about elsewhere but that's certainly what happens here.


Where I am, the "i" in iPhone doesn't mean anything. it's the Apple logo that's important. And they also know "píngguǒ shǒujī" 苹果手机, which literally means "apple cellphone".

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Google doesn't really market Android to the general public, apart from probably their Nexus devices, device manufacturers do.
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iPhone 5S: Thieves may mutilate owners in bid to gain access to fingerprint-reading handsets, expert warns

Marc Rogers said the sensors can provide a convenient way to unlock gadgets while also boosting security.

But they have led criminals to commit increasingly brutal robberies and even chop off phone-owners' fingertips, the chief researcher at mobile security firm Lookout claimed.
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No need. Hacking a fingerprint security system is easy:

MythBusters beat fingerprint security system - YouTube
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I heard the a7 processors Apple has are manufacturered by Samsung
They were at one point and then they weren't and they may be again - don't know. They're not Samsung designs.

Samsung provides parts for lots of competitors. My HTCs have used their storage chips, another example.
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Hey Mikedt, That Angry Birds phone (is it an aPhone?) is AWESOME! Be careful, though. Apple might see this and sue the manufacturer for copyright infringement!

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Apple’s strongest horse in this race is the puny letter ‘i.’ They have an iphone, we just have a this phone or a that phone. They have an ipad, we just have a this or a that pad. So the hypnotized believe that nothing has any value if it doesn’t start with a lowercase letter. If Google wanted to get their marketing in gear, they could exploit their own letter: gpad, gphone, gmail, gdrive, gmaps, gtower, and so on.

Apple’s marketing consistency is all they have right now – knock it down and they’re done.
Apple's doing what Coke, Kleenex and Band-Aid have been doing for years - proliferate a product name to the point where it becomes a part of the American lexicon and any duplicates would be called by that name (instead of it's generic equivalent - cola, tissue, bandage). But why "i"? Doesn't Apple begin with an "a"? Guess they thought about it and didn't want people referring to their product as an a$$-phone!

Good points, though. Personally, I want to hurl every time I hear any cell phone referred to as an "iPhone".
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But why "i"? Doesn't Apple begin with an "a"?
"iMac comes from the marriage of the excitement of the Internet with the simplicity of Macintosh. Even though this is a full-blooded Macintosh, we are targeting this for the #1 use that consumers tell us they want a computer for, which is to get on the Internet -- simply, and fast. And that is what this product is targeted for.


"i" also means some other things to us. We are a personal computer company, and although this product is born to network, it also is a beautiful stand-alone product. We are targeting it also for education. They want to buy these. And it is perfect for most of the things they do in instruction. It is perfect for finding tremendous sources of information over the Internet. And we hope as you see the product it will inspire us all to make even better products in the future."

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Good points, though. Personally, I want to hurl every time I hear any cell phone referred to as an "iPhone".

I have never herd anyone I know or around me refer to any phone as an "iPhone". Most will refer to them by their make (Samsung, HTC etc). Some will just call it an android phone or the generic term smartphone. Out of all my friends and family, only two of them actually have an iPhone.

I have had people mistake my GS2 for a GS3, and one ask if my phone was the GS4.
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A few years back a lot of folks asked what iPhone I had - to them, at the time, that was generic for smartphone.

Never bothered me, I just said Samsung or HTC and showed them the features.

Pretty clear in my mind they were reaching out for information.

Back in the day, my wife asked the same exact thing to one of girlfriends carrying the G1. That's how she handled it with WifelyMon and how WifelyMon decided she wanted an Android.
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Hey Mikedt, That Angry Birds phone (is it an aPhone?) is AWESOME! Be careful, though. Apple might see this and sue the manufacturer for copyright infringement!

If you can't innovate - litigate!
It's actually a toy. Like that "Disney" one @general eclect posted earlier. Makes sounds, plays tunes and things when you press the icons...just like the real thing.
Toy Iphone Toys For Kids,Toy Packaging,Smart Phone Toy - Buy Toy Iphone Toys For Kids,Toy Packaging,Smart Phone Toy Product on Alibaba.com

Apple could try filing suit against Shantou General Toy Co. Ltd. But it's rather like playing wac-a-mole, one can never win, there's always hundreds more. Of course it's double copyright infringement here, Rovio's IP is being infringed as well. I often see "Anger Birds" as well with toys and things, but of course they always use the Angry Birds characters and artwork. Apple Inc. vs China Inc. ...good luck.
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Apple’s strongest horse in this race is the puny letter ‘i.’ They have an iphone, we just have a this phone or a that phone. They have an ipad, we just have a this or a that pad. So the hypnotized believe that nothing has any value if it doesn’t start with a lowercase letter. If Google wanted to get their marketing in gear, they could exploit their own letter: gpad, gphone, gmail, gdrive, gmaps, gtower, and so on.

Apple’s marketing consistency is all they have right now – knock it down and they’re done.

instead of hotspot.... gspot
market that!!!!
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The new iPhone is lame. Apple is falling so far hardware wise. I'm pretty disappointed in it, don't know why as this is what I expected anyway.
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Why? Nobody expected anything other than a refresh, yet it's probably received more improvements over the iP5 than the 4S did over the iP4.
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Why? Nobody expected anything other than a refresh, yet it's probably received more improvements over the iP5 than the 4S did over the iP4.
The s version of the phones are always just a refresh of the original one. Wait til next year to get a new phone.
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