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Old February 17th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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From the Moto website -
WCDMA 900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, HSDPA 7.2 Mbps (Category 7/8), EDGE Class 12, GPRS Class 12, HSUPA 2.0 Mbps
Network and/or SIM card dependent feature, not available in all areas. Airtime, data charges, and/or additional charges may apply. Wireless email functionality requires an email account with wireless server capabilities

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The "T-Mobile USA" Defy, once unlocked, will work on AT&T's 3G band:

T-Mo Motorola Defy working on AT&T 3G (850 band only)





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WCDMA 900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, HSDPA 7.2 Mbps (Category 7/8), EDGE Class 12, GPRS Class 12, HSUPA 2.0 Mbps
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no you are not. unless you are seeing the H symbol then you are not. YES thats right. this phone can run on AT&T's HSDPA network if reprogrammed. I know, I've done mine and know the DEFY very well. This phone doesnt even get that on t-mobiles network.
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no you are not. unless you are seeing the H symbol then you are not. YES thats right. this phone can run on AT&T's HSDPA network if reprogrammed. I know, I've done mine and know the DEFY very well. This phone doesnt even get that on t-mobiles network.


What are you trying to say?

There is no "reprogramming" required for the Defy to work on AT&T's UMTS network, aside from entering the "SIM unlock code", and having an AT&T SIM and data plan ($10/mo MediaNet will suffice). FWIW, I'm regularly achieving 3Mbs-5Mbs dl speeds on AT&T with the Defy.


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What are you trying to say?

There is no "reprogramming" required for the Defy to work on AT&T's UMTS network, aside from entering the "SIM unlock code", and having an AT&T SIM and data plan ($10/mo MediaNet will suffice). FWIW, I'm regularly achieving 3Mbs-5Mbs dl speeds on AT&T with the Defy.


Listen, because you dont know how to achieve this does not mean its not possible. I have a defy and have done it. As soon as I can take pictures and show you I will post it.

AT&T and T-mobile uses different bands. period. If you didnt know this, then I suggest you do some research. And just because I am a new member does not mean I did not do what I said. If you read earlier, I said I got my defy on AT&T's HSDPA network and I have the H symbol on my defy to prove it.
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Listen, because you dont know how to achieve this does not mean its not possible. I have a defy and have done it. As soon as I can take pictures and show you I will post it.

AT&T and T-mobile uses different bands. period. If you didnt know this, then I suggest you do some research. And just because I am a new member does not mean I did not do what I said. If you read earlier, I said I got my defy on AT&T's HSDPA network and I have the H symbol on my defy to prove it.

What are you talking about? I'm only asking you to clearly explain yourself, as your post is contradictory.

You quoted shalemail and "I guess" you were trying to tell them that they "were not" (?) on AT&T's UMTS, but shalemail's post was confirmation that shalemail "is" on AT&T's UMTS network because of my thread about it from last year.

Now you are telling "me" that "I don't know how to get on AT&T's UMTS network with the Defy", when the pic is of "my Defy on AT&T's UMTS network"?

Did you not understand, that I understand that it works, from "my thread from November"? Click here as it seems that you have not yet already done so: T-Mo Motorola Defy working on AT&T 3G (850 band only)

I know that AT&T and T-Mo use different bands...I have multiple phones on both providers. No one said you don't know what you are talking about, I was stating that "I don't know what you are trying to state". I clearly state in post #3 of this thread that the Defy will work on AT&T's UMTS network...how does this contradict you?
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What are you talking about? I'm only asking you to clearly explain yourself, as your post is contradictory.

You quoted shalemail and "I guess" you were trying to tell them that they "were not" (?) on AT&T's UMTS, but shalemail's post was confirmation that shalemail "is" on AT&T's UMTS network "because of my thread about it" from "last year".

Now you are telling "me" that "I don't know how to get on AT&T's UMTS network with the Defy", when the pic is of "my Defy on AT&T's UMTS network"?

Did you not understand, that I understand that it works, from "my thread from November"? Click here as it seems that you have not yet already done so: T-Mo Motorola Defy working on AT&T 3G (850 band only)



ok lets clarify. I never said the word UMTS in any post. When i said NO, I was talking about "full functionality" and meant to say that the phone can reach yet another level that most of you are unaware of.
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ok lets clarify. I never said the word UMTS in any post. When i said NO, I was talking about "full functionality" and meant to say that the phone can reach yet another level that most of you are unaware of.

Ok, but the OP's inquiry was about "UMTS".

"Full functionality", from shalemail's post was about having data/text/calls/etc, full smartphone functionality, on AT&T's 3G network...yet is only billed as a "standard phone".

What "other level" are you referring to, given that HSDPA, or rather "H" as you stated, is part of UMTS? If you are referring to H+, or speeds above 14.4Mbs, then it is still UMTS technology.
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Ok, but the OP's inquiry was about "UMTS".

"Full functionality", from shalemail's post was about having data/text/calls/etc, full smartphone functionality, on AT&T's 3G network...yet is only billed as a "standard phone".

What "other level" are you referring to, given that HSDPA, or rather "H" as you stated, is part of UMTS? If you are referring to H+, or speeds above 14.4Mbs, then it is still UMTS technology.


does your phone show that it is connected to HSDPA ? NO
does your phone show the H symbol instead of 3G? NO
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Ok, but the OP's inquiry was about "UMTS".

"Full functionality", from shalemail's post was about having data/text/calls/etc, full smartphone functionality, on AT&T's 3G network...yet is only billed as a "standard phone".

What "other level" are you referring to, given that HSDPA, or rather "H" as you stated, is part of UMTS? If you are referring to H+, or speeds above 14.4Mbs, then it is still UMTS technology.

3G just means regular UMTS 3G data
H means that it is is using HSPA, a faster protocol for UMTS 3G.
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does your phone show that it is connected to HSDPA ? NO
does your phone show the H symbol instead of 3G? NO

Ummm....ok?
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H means that it is is using HSPA, a faster protocol for UMTS 3G.
- HSPA is a "protocol" within the "standard" of UMTS.

- HSPA starts at 1.2Mbs.

- I'm getting 3-5Mbs on AT&T's UMTS network.

What's your point? Seriously, I genuinely do not understand how having H vs. UMTS is making the Defy less functional, or "not work" on AT&T? We all agree that the "T-Mobile branded Defy" has "connectivity and functionality" on AT&T's "high speed" network. For all intents and purposes, any data rates above 1Mbs are gravy, given that the $10/mo. AT&T data will allow access for the Defy. The only limiting factor is that the Defy most likely does not have the hardware for H+...but again, nobody here was asking about H/H+. Having H vs. UMTS is a moot point as far as "functionality"...especially if you are not near a tower that will support the data rate.
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- HSPA is a "protocol" within the "standard" of UMTS.

- HSPA starts at 1.2Mbs.

- I'm getting 3-5Mbs on AT&T's UMTS network.

What's your point? Seriously, I genuinely do not understand how having H vs. UMTS is making the Defy less functional, or "not work" on AT&T? We all agree that the "T-Mobile branded Defy" has "connectivity and functionality" on AT&T's "high speed" network. For all intents and purposes, any data rates above 1Mbs are gravy, given that the $10/mo. AT&T data will allow access for the Defy. The only limiting factor is that the Defy most likely does not have the hardware for H+...but again, nobody here was asking about H/H+. Having H vs. UMTS is a moot point as far as "functionality"...especially if you are not near a tower that will support the data rate.


dude, i am getting it. I dont see why you are so defensive when hsdpa is a faster protocol of 3G. it is considered 3.5G that why the H shows up. I never mentioned H+ either. i know the difference. The defy can indeed step up to this speed I know i have done it and noticed the change right away. Because you have not figured out how to do it doe snot mean you have to be so damned arrogant.
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dude, i am getting it. I dont see why you are so defensive when hsdpa is a faster protocol of 3G. it is considered 3.5G that why the H shows up. I never mentioned H+ either. i know the difference. The defy can indeed step up to this speed I know i have done it and noticed the change right away.

Actually, you are not getting it...I never posted any doubt that HSPA was "possible" on AT&T's network with the Defy, I only stated that this thread was not about HSPA, yet you continue to think that I am contradicting your configuration. This is not the case. FWIW, I get the 3.5G symbol on all my Nokia phones on both AT&T and T-Mo. But again, I was simply trying to clarify terms in that HSPA is a "protocol" within the UMTS technology. UMTS does not have a bitrate in and of itself, as it has a theoretical limit of 45Mbs. Its the different protocols within (e.g. H/H+) which allow it to achieve those speeds.



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Because you have not figured out how to do it doe snot mean you have to be so damned arrogant....
You assume much, and assumed incorrectly. I never tried to configure "H" on my defy, as it is mainly dependent on what is configured on the closest tower. I only wanted to get connectivity above Edge on a carrier other than T-Mo (i.e. 3G technology). Anything else is a bonus. Going forward, try not to confuse arrogance with a "request for information". The "?" were not used to denote irrefutable statements of fact, only for you to provide clarification of your initial statements, because they were not entirely clear to me.

Congrats on your "H" status on AT&T's network. My Defy changes from HSPA to UMTS when I go into my basement on T-Mo.
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Actually, you are not getting it...I never posted any doubt that HSPA was "possible" on AT&T's network with the Defy, I only stated that this thread was not about HSPA, yet you continue to think that I am contradicting your configuration. This is not the case. FWIW, I get the 3.5G symbol on all my Nokia phones on both AT&T and T-Mo.





You assume much, and assumed incorrectly. I never tried to configure "H" on my defy, I only wanted to get connectivity above Edge on a carrier other than T-Mo. Anything else is a bonus. Going forward, try not to confuse arrogance with a "request for information". The "?" were not used to denote irrefutable statements of fact, only for you to provide clarification of your initial statements, because they were not entirely clear to me.

Congrats on your "H" status on AT&T's network.

Listen, since you obviously have an huge ego which noone cares I will say this. My comment was never to you to begin with and like I said I was only pointing out to the other user that their full potential can go a little bit further but you obviously need to let the world know that you think you know it all. News flash son, their is always someone out there that knows more than you and me for that matter.

And by the way, no one cares about your nokia phones as this thread was talking about the DEFY by motorola which I made my reply to about. So get off your high horse son.

And your picture of the DEFY only shows umts and you obviously have not achieved 3.5G or "H" as the phone shows yet I have....yea yea I know you mentioned your nokia but noone was ever talking about that to begin with or at least I never mentioned the word nokia until now.
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Actually, you are not getting it...I never posted any doubt that HSPA was "possible" on AT&T's network with the Defy, I only stated that this thread was not about HSPA, yet you continue to think that I am contradicting your configuration. This is not the case. FWIW, I get the 3.5G symbol on all my Nokia phones on both AT&T and T-Mo.





You assume much, and assumed incorrectly. I never tried to configure "H" on my defy, I only wanted to get connectivity above Edge on a carrier other than T-Mo. Anything else is a bonus. Going forward, try not to confuse arrogance with a "request for information". The "?" were not used to denote irrefutable statements of fact, only for you to provide clarification of your initial statements, because they were not entirely clear to me.

Congrats on your "H" status on AT&T's network.


and noone cares if you never tried to configure the next level of 3G or"H", thats your problem. I simply posted that I have and you got stupid over it. get over your self.
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and noone cares if you never tried to configure the next level of 3G or"H", thats your problem. I simply posted that I have and you got stupid over it. get over your self.
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exactly. people like you will always need a glass of haterade because you think you know it all. good day to you son.
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What are you talking about? I'm only asking you to clearly explain yourself, as your post is contradictory.

You quoted shalemail and "I guess" you were trying to tell them that they "were not" (?) on AT&T's UMTS, but shalemail's post was confirmation that shalemail "is" on AT&T's UMTS network because of my thread about it from last year.

Now you are telling "me" that "I don't know how to get on AT&T's UMTS network with the Defy", when the pic is of "my Defy on AT&T's UMTS network"?

Did you not understand, that I understand that it works, from "my thread from November"? Click here as it seems that you have not yet already done so: T-Mo Motorola Defy working on AT&T 3G (850 band only)

I know that AT&T and T-Mo use different bands...I have multiple phones on both providers. No one said you don't know what you are talking about, I was stating that "I don't know what you are trying to state". I clearly state in post #3 of this thread that the Defy will work on AT&T's UMTS network...how does this contradict you?



And here is the T-mobile de-branded Motorola DEFY running on AT&T's HSPA network, after an easy mod ofcourse. An out of the box t-mobile defy cannot do this on AT&T. The service provider I am using on this phone is with H2Owirelessnow*com but they use AT&T's service. I also used my AT&T sim card from my other phone and get the exact same results....HSPA on AT&T's network.

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no you are not. unless you are seeing the H symbol then you are not. YES thats right. this phone can run on AT&T's HSDPA network if reprogrammed. I know, I've done mine and know the DEFY very well. This phone doesnt even get that on t-mobiles network.
Actually with cyanogen mod 7 and t-mobile baseband 9.x.x.6 i have an "h" on t-mobile with a locked but rooted defy oh yea and running gingerbread smoothly "lovin IT"
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Actually with cyanogen mod 7 and t-mobile baseband 9.x.x.6 i have an "h" on t-mobile with a locked but rooted defy oh yea and running gingerbread smoothly "lovin IT"

we were talking about 850/1900 mhz band. only ATT in the USA uses that. T-mobile is using 850/1700 band. but cool anyway because a stock t-mobile defy only shows 3G.. nice..
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...T-mobile is using 850/1700 band. but cool anyway because a stock t-mobile defy only shows 3G.. nice..
Actually, T-Mobile (USA) is using 1700/1900/2100 (1700/2100 for UMTS)

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FWIW, my AT&T Motorola Q only supports 850/1900 3G...only gets "Edge/GSM" on T-Mobile network.

It looks like the new 42Mbps T-Mobile Amaze supports UMTS on 850 band like the Defy:

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I know this is an old thread, but there is currently (as of the date of this post) a Defy on eBay that the seller says will work on the AT&T 3G network. My guess is it is a Latin American version that runs on the 850 / 2100 band, judging from the description that says it has "English & Spanish"???? I contacted the seller and asked him if I bought one and it did not work on the AT&T 3G network if he would allow a return without the normal restocking fees, etc., and he said yes. I ordered one and am now waiting to get it to see if it will actually work on AT&T 3G. Probably will have to manually configure the APN, but that's easy enough...........
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Old November 24th, 2011, 11:41 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Sorry I couldn't post the link to eBay if anyone is interested in checking it out, but since I'm new here I'm not allowed to post links. So, here is the item number so you can do a search on eBay for it: 170702187069.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 02:08 PM   #26 (permalink)
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There is an all black "Euro" version, I believe has an "E" in the model name, which supports 900/2100 UMTS "only". This version will not support AT&T's 3G bands.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 02:53 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm aware of the European model that runs on the 900 / 2100 3G - because I have one. I have been looking for one other than the T-Mobile model that works with AT&T, and according to the eBay seller the one he has definitely does work with AT&T and it is NOT a T-Mobile version. I am rather skeptical about it, but bought one anyway since I have it in writing from the seller that I can return it for a full refund if it doesn't work with AT&T's 3G network. The fact that he only says in the listing that it works with AT&T's 850 3G Network leads me to believe it is probably a Latin American model that runs on the 850 / 2100 network that is used by the Latin American carriers Claro and Vivo........

If it does work with AT&T I will post the results when I receive it so anyone who is interested can buy one from him if they want or if it doesn't I will post so he can be avoided!
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Old November 29th, 2011, 07:34 AM   #28 (permalink)
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You could always check the Motorola site, for the respective country, to verify frequency for the given model.
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Ummmm, already did that which is why I stated in the previous post "it is probably a Latin American model that runs on the 850 / 2100 network that is used by the Latin American carriers Claro and Vivo......."

Most all of Latin and South America use the 850 / 2100 frequencies for 3G..........

Regardless, the phone has been shipped and is in transit. Will know for sure in 2 days!
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Well, I received the Defy today that I bought off eBay. Charged it up, inserted my AT&T 3G sim card, configured the APN and I have 3G. I have not run a speed test yet, but the Mobile Network Type under "Phone Status" says it is HSPA and the data connection on the toolbar has an "H" above it. My other phone says "Edge" and has the "E" above the data connection so I believe that is confirmation enough!

Also it came with Froyo already installed as the phone's manufacture date says 09/11 which leads me to believe this is probably one of the very last Defys manufactured before the roll out of the Defy+..........

FWIW, the eBay seller still has plenty of them offered for sale.

Now all I have to do is spend this evening getting it rooted and clean all the bloatware off it!
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Mine has the 850 Mhz band, not sure about 1900 Mhz though.
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Actually with cyanogen mod 7 and t-mobile baseband 9.x.x.6 i have an "h" on t-mobile with a locked but rooted defy oh yea and running gingerbread smoothly "lovin IT"
mcrollin420:

Thanks for your posting this. I'm hoping you can help me.

I have a rooted Defy MB525 running CyanogenMod7.0.1-Jordan. I am on T-Mobile.

However, not only can I not get an "H" like you, but I can't get anything but an "E."

My download speed (using mobilespeedtest.com) varies from 20 to 1350, but mostly it is at slower than "E" speeds. Regardless of what speed I do get, it never goes off of "E".

I suspect that I have some band settings wrong. But, since I'm a complete noob, I'm afraid I might do something wrong and brick my phone.

Prior to my rooting the phone and putting CyanogenMod 7 on it, I always had "3G" listed and my download speeds were consistently very fast. T-Mobile's network here in the Dallas area is pretty fast.

By the way, other than the weird speed variation and "E" problem, the Gingerbread runs VERY SMOOTHLY on my phone. All my apps run nicely too.

So, any help you might give me on your settings would be very much appreciated.

I would sincerely appreciate help from other experienced posters as well.

Thanks in advance.

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Maybe your just in an EDGE area. E (EDGE) is just upgraded GPRS.

Did you also try baseband selection in Device Settings?

(not sure if CM7 has this, CM7.2 does).
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Maybe your just in an EDGE area. E (EDGE) is just upgraded GPRS.

Did you also try baseband selection in Device Settings?

(not sure if CM7 has this, CM7.2 does).
A couple of things:
1. I have been all over Dallas area and can't get anything but "E".
2. I had a friend come over with his 3G T-Mobile phone and we both sat in my office and he could get 3G and I couldn't. And, his download speeds blew mine away.

I haven't made any baseband selections, because I'm afraid of bricking my phone, since I'm such a noob.

I'm not sure what settings I should have there.

Do you have 7.2 running on a Defy?

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