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Old May 25th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Bionic to be released 2 months after D3! (august) + specs?

Over at HF the great wnrussel posted this

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Targa drops two months after Droid 3. No LTE for D3. This one will be worth the wait.
Motorola's new Droid Bionic (Targa) pre-release thread - Page 27

So seems like forever but SO glad to get at least some info!

also p3 just tweeted this about the D3
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"The Droid3 is on its way. It's is way with dual core omap and. Testers are running 2.3.3 I'm expecting it in next 4 to 8 weeks."
"And I hear it is running circles around he dx2"
So this is strong evidence that the bionic will probably have the same soc or better and it looks like the OMAP dual core is way faster then the Tegra2 so this wait might actually be worth it

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too late... i already got my Samsung Charge
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Well you always have 14 days to change your mind :P
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too late... i already got my Samsung Charge
Just do what I did when I got my OG Droid. I found out about the Incredible right after I bought the Droid, so I returned the Droid after 29 days (they waived the re-stocking fee because I bitched and moaned) and used my old LG Envy for a month while I waited for the Incredible to release.

Granted, after having the Droid for a month, the month back on the Envy was the most painful month of my life, but it was totally worth it. I love my Incredible.
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I guess we will find out but I would think they would release the bionic in july or so. Atleast that is what they did with the droid x and then about a month later the droid 2. Who knows with verizon though. I just want some specs because this is looking like my next phone.
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Just do what I did when I got my OG Droid. I found out about the Incredible right after I bought the Droid, so I returned the Droid after 29 days (they waived the re-stocking fee because I bitched and moaned) and used my old LG Envy for a month while I waited for the Incredible to release.

Granted, after having the Droid for a month, the month back on the Envy was the most painful month of my life, but it was totally worth it. I love my Incredible.
Return period is 14 days now, as far as I know...unless you get from Costco, where you can exchange up to 90 days after, for another phone.
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WOOHOO... my upgrade is Augest 23rd... can you say perfect timing?
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Until Motorola is comfortable enough that the Droid X2 has helped to bleed out the stock-pile of Droid X add-ons in their channels and the Tegra 2 chips, etc, you will not hear a peep from Motorola.

When the inventories are milked, THEN the floodgates will open.

Unless the Bionic is using an OMAP dual core, seems very doubtful for a Bionic release until late Q4 (at best). Quad core is too new and the cost/production curve would make it an overly expensive component option.

The Bionic is almost certainly dual core, if any chance before late fall, winter.
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Return period is 14 days now, as far as I know...unless you get from Costco, where you can exchange up to 90 days after, for another phone.
Careful, another member said he called up two CostCos and they both reported that you could only exchange for the SAME phone past the 14 day window...

Get something in writing, verbal promises mean NOTHING in a world run by written contracts.
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My upgrade is not until May of 2012, but if this things beats the expected tiered data to market, I'll swallow hard and pay full price for it. If the tiered data arrives first then I'll ride my Droid X for awhile longer. Come on Droid Bionic!
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My upgrade is not until May of 2012, but if this things beats the expected tiered data to market, I'll swallow hard and pay full price for it. If the tiered data arrives first then I'll ride my Droid X for awhile longer. Come on Droid Bionic!
If tiered data comes in they make you switch to one of the tiered plans whether you buy it full retail or not.
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In AC they have issued the specs and delivery around July...could be here sooner than expected! Confirmed by rep sources.
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In AC they have issued the specs and delivery around July...could be here sooner than expected! Confirmed by rep sources.

There a link to this story? Not seeing confirmed new specs anywhere.
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If tiered data comes in they make you switch to one of the tiered plans whether you buy it full retail or not.
Not if I already have unlimited. My understanding is that getting a 4G phone "updates" your contract to 4G plan. If I get in before the cap, I'm in. That's my plan and I'm sticking to it! Hopefully it works out.
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Careful, another member said he called up two CostCos and they both reported that you could only exchange for the SAME phone past the 14 day window...

Get something in writing, verbal promises mean NOTHING in a world run by written contracts.
Yeah, it's in the contract/paperwork that came w/the phone, and confirmed w/the phone kiosk manager at the local costco.

The real "gotcha" is that you can only exchange for a phone that Costco has, and they don't get all the phones that you'll find in the VZW store.
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Yeah, it's in the contract/paperwork that came w/the phone, and confirmed w/the phone kiosk manager at the local costco.

The real "gotcha" is that you can only exchange for a phone that Costco has, and they don't get all the phones that you'll find in the VZW store.
I have the same to report. From what I was told you can exchange within the 90 days for any phone with the subsidized price. Also of note; as of current, they are selling all three LTE phones. Not exactly sure when they started selling the Thunderbolt and Revo, but they have them all.
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I have the same to report. From what I was told you can exchange within the 90 days for any phone with the subsidized price. Also of note; as of current, they are selling all three LTE phones. Not exactly sure when they started selling the Thunderbolt and Revo, but they have them all.
Someone claiming to work for the company that runs the kiosks for Costco claimed that if you don't see the Android smartphone you want, they can order it for you (as long as Verizon carries it, of course). Interesting...I'm going to drop by my local Costco and ask about this.
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If tiered data comes in they make you switch to one of the tiered plans whether you buy it full retail or not.
Not true. If you're already on unlimited data (even if it's just 3G), and you buy and activate a 4G phone (full retail) AFTER tiered data comes and unlimited plans are phased out, you can activate the phone and retain your unlimited data plan (since you already had it).
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Not true. If you're already on unlimited data (even if it's just 3G), and you buy and activate a 4G phone (full retail) AFTER tiered data comes and unlimited plans are phased out, you can activate the phone and retain your unlimited data plan (since you already had it).
Not always. They can make you switch to a current plan not saying they will but they can do that. Nobody knows how or when tiered will come in. I would hope they would grandfather those who have it or even wait until sept or something to go to tiered. If they released the bionic with unlimited 4g that could be a way to grab alot of customers from tmobile who may not want to risk getting stuck with at&t or even some from at&t and sprint.
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Not true. If you're already on unlimited data (even if it's just 3G), and you buy and activate a 4G phone (full retail) AFTER tiered data comes and unlimited plans are phased out, you can activate the phone and retain your unlimited data plan (since you already had it).
I would love to know how you came to this conclusion because I might need you to start picking my stocks.

Truth in the matter is none of us know how Verizon will roll out the tiered plans. Best case scenario would be what you are suggesting. Worst case scenario would be any new 4g phone you get after they implement 4g would be subject to the new plans. In the middle would be getting grandfathered in if you already have a 4g phone. I am just hoping they give us a heads up or somehow the plans leak.
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What's with the ridicule, guys?

I have asked two managers over the phone, had it put on my account that we discussed the terms of grandfathering, and then called back a different day to verify the note on my file was there with details of what I was told.

The point is that 4G and 3G unlimited CURRENTLY have the same feature code in their system, which is why it simply matters whether you're on an unlimited plan but NOT (currently) if it'd 4G or 3G.

I did not make this up. I too thought only 4G unlimited wouldnget grandfathered but it turns out I got it half right. All unlimited plans will be grandfathered, but I assume that's only if tiered plans also make no distinction between 3G and 4G.
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What's with the ridicule, guys?

I have asked two managers over the phone, had it put on my account that we discussed the terms of grandfathering, and then called back a different day to verify the note on my file was there with details of what I was told.

The point is that 4G and 3G unlimited CURRENTLY have the same feature code in their system, which is why it simply matters whether you're on an unlimited plan but NOT (currently) if it'd 4G or 3G.

I did not make this up. I too thought only 4G unlimited wouldnget grandfathered but it turns out I got it half right. All unlimited plans will be grandfathered, but I assume that's only if tiered plans also make no distinction between 3G and 4G.
I am not trying to ridicule you, I am just very skeptical. Just because they do not have a feature code right now doesn't mean they will not in the future. Also, retail or commercial managers really don't have a clue. I would love for you to be correct, but I am not willing to take the chance. The best bet to ensure you will have unlimited 4g until your next contract or upgrade is to get it before they change to the tiered program.
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seems like the is no specific 4G plan. that's why the unlimited 3G is 39.99 similar to 4G

so I think all u need is the 4G sim card
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seems like the is no specific 4G plan. that's why the unlimited 3G is 39.99 similar to 4G

so I think all u need is the 4G sim card
I feel sorry for you if you are paying 39.99 for data.
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IF grandfathering is actually done, VZW will go by current contracts which have no differentiation between 3g and 4g. User profiles may list LTE, but that is NOT the contract- it is a user profile.
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The way I understand it is this, if you upgrade to a phone before the tiered data plan goes into effect, then you'll have until the next time you upgrade a phone before you'll be required to go on the tiered data plan. When you upgrade you're revising your contract to extend it

If you upgrade your phone after tiered data is in place, then you'll have to change to the tiered data, from what I understand. But until you do, you'll still be on your original plan. If you don't get a phone for another 2 years, then you'll still have unlimited data.

I think I need to start working for Verizon to supplement my cell phone addiction.
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VZW folks do not even know what will actually happen. The common theme by most employees (sales, managers and corp reps) is the following:

1. We do not really know, but our educated guess is....
a. 3G and 4G contracts to this point in time are the same
b. When your contract is over, grandfathering remains UNTIL you use another discount.

This would makes sense, since it is a natural and less invasive way of reducing the install base of unlimited users. People that REALLY want unlimited will pay full price for a device, but most others will consider the total cost of the data, verses paying full price and may get the discount and the tiered data.

I would suggest though that through time, more folks will migrate to smaller tablets and use wifi, rather than deal with high price phones and higher priced data. 4G and tiered data is a pure contradiction in premise and will BACKFIRE at some point in time.
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What rushmore said.
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Is this the release date thread? When is this sucker getting released?
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Is this the release date thread? When is this sucker getting released?

If a dual core:

By July = 60%
By August = 80%
By September = 100%

If a quad core:

By July = 0%
By August = .01%
By September = 1%
By ...... Point is, a quad core is not in mass production yet, so the cost curve would KILL Motorola.
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The current speculations are either August or July. It was originally looking like August, but some comments were made over on AC forums by a very reputable source that it is July.

We shall see...

Also, it's nice to see familiar faces from the old Incredible speculation thread. The level of obsession in that thread made these Bionic forum folks look tame.
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Yep. The Incredible is a legend and the muddy call quality is almost a second language

I have had my Inc since launch. Tried the DX2 and would have kept it, were it not for the memory, Flash, MP3 pops and random reboot issues. "DROID!" has now scarred into my brain like a Pavlov dog test.
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I don't think Bionic will have quad core. It's just not ready yet for LTE. I bet it will be OMAP4 dual core with higher clock speed above 1Ghz. Looks like both GSII and Bionic is coming around the same timeframe. I'm very curious if GSII (Function) will have LTE or not. This fall will be great time for phone shoppers on verizon.
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I got a Charge yesterday and don't really care for some of the features. I'm having to use a lot of 3rd party apps just to get by on basic stuff.

I've always been more partial to motorola devices in the past. Is the general opinion that the Droid Bionic is going to be an overall better device than the Charge???
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I got a Charge yesterday and don't really care for some of the features. I'm having to use a lot of 3rd party apps just to get by on basic stuff.

I've always been more partial to motorola devices in the past. Is the general opinion that the Droid Bionic is going to be an overall better device than the Charge???
Detail of revamped Bionic is still unknown. But it's given that it will blow off Charge easily, actually any current phone on verizon for that matter. Its only worthy rival will be Samsung GSII which tops iPhone4 sales already in U.K.
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I don't think Bionic will have quad core. It's just not ready yet for LTE. I bet it will be OMAP4 dual core with higher clock speed above 1Ghz. Looks like both GSII and Bionic is coming around the same timeframe. I'm very curious if GSII (Function) will have LTE or not. This fall will be great time for phone shoppers on verizon.
I think verizon will release the bionic over the summer and wait to release the function like they did with the fascinate last year. They released the droid x and droid 2 in june and july and then sept the fascinate came out.
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VZW folks do not even know what will actually happen. The common theme by most employees (sales, managers and corp reps) is the following:

1. We do not really know, but our educated guess is....
a. 3G and 4G contracts to this point in time are the same
b. When your contract is over, grandfathering remains UNTIL you use another discount.

This would makes sense, since it is a natural and less invasive way of reducing the install base of unlimited users. People that REALLY want unlimited will pay full price for a device, but most others will consider the total cost of the data, verses paying full price and may get the discount and the tiered data.

I would suggest though that through time, more folks will migrate to smaller tablets and use wifi, rather than deal with high price phones and higher priced data. 4G and tiered data is a pure contradiction in premise and will BACKFIRE at some point in time.
I agree it was the same way with text messaging years ago. At first people didnt really use them(compared to now) and they didnt have unlimited plans and then they moved to them. I feel more people are using more data so in the long run this is going to back fire by tiering plans. Verizon already said it is cheaper to operate 4g than it is 3g so then why do they need to raise prices? I would rather my calling plan price go up by $5 or so rather then having less data for the same price ive been paying. Not to mention not having unlimited anymore.
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I would love to know how you came to this conclusion because I might need you to start picking my stocks.

Truth in the matter is none of us know how Verizon will roll out the tiered plans. Best case scenario would be what you are suggesting. Worst case scenario would be any new 4g phone you get after they implement 4g would be subject to the new plans. In the middle would be getting grandfathered in if you already have a 4g phone. I am just hoping they give us a heads up or somehow the plans leak.
Agree I would hope they would give a heads up to how the new tiered plans will work and whether or not they will grandfather you in once you sign a new contract if you already have unlimited data. I mean at&t did that they allowed those who had unlimited to keep unlimited even after they upgraded again as long as they did not remove the data from their plan.
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So what are we looking at a similar release as with the original DX (If I remember correctly)? ... I am feeling the same anticipation again as when I got the DX.
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I think verizon will release the bionic over the summer and wait to release the function like they did with the fascinate last year. They released the droid x and droid 2 in june and july and then sept the fascinate came out.
Probably GSII function will come within a few months of Bionic. Rumor has that Samsung is working on LTE version of GSII clocking at 1.7Ghz with LTE radio chip integrated as SoC into AP. So Samsung Function is even more mysterious to me than Bionic. Will it be this monster or just 3G/CDMA SGSII or 3G/4G LTE SGSII with thicker form factor?
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Probably GSII function will come within a few months of Bionic. Rumor has that Samsung is working on LTE version of GSII clocking at 1.7Ghz with LTE radio chip integrated as SoC into AP. So Samsung Function is even more mysterious to me than Bionic. Will it be this monster or just 3G/CDMA SGSII or 3G/4G LTE SGSII with thicker form factor?
Nobody knows with verizon although they do seem to get everything last so if they are just working on a gs2 with LTE i would say it probably wont come out until november or so. Especially since the bionic will most likely be droid branded and verizon wants to get as many sales out of it as they can and if there is word of another phone just around the corner it could hurt the sales of the bionic.
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Nobody knows with verizon although they do seem to get everything last so if they are just working on a gs2 with LTE i would say it probably wont come out until november or so. Especially since the bionic will most likely be droid branded and verizon wants to get as many sales out of it as they can and if there is word of another phone just around the corner it could hurt the sales of the bionic.
It maybe so. But you are also under assumption that Verizon will push Motorola more with Droid brand than Samsung like they did last year. But if they feel like Samsung makes better dual core LTE phone than Bionic, they might do Droid branding with GSII, something like Droid Function. Who would have thought Samsung will get Droid Charge name for their first LTE phone? I agree that at this point all this is speculation though.
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I have to go check out an EVO or Thunderbolt to see if the 4.3 is too big. It might actually be nice..

I dont think I would get a 4.5 inch. If the phone has a signed bootloader on top of it, this phone is completely out of the question.

Droid X, Droid X2 will never be great phones since they have signed bootloaders. Not being able to change the kernel (the engine of the phone) is a complete disaster.

If this had an unlocked bootloader and 4 inch screen (maybe 4.3 - I have to test one out) it would be absolutely amazing. 4.5" and signed bootloader and this phone is kind of a joke.

I may not have a new phone for a long time since no new releases fit my requirements.
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I have to go check out an EVO or Thunderbolt to see if the 4.3 is too big. It might actually be nice..

I dont think I would get a 4.5 inch. If the phone has a signed bootloader on top of it, this phone is completely out of the question.

Droid X, Droid X2 will never be great phones since they have signed bootloaders. Not being able to change the kernel (the engine of the phone) is a complete disaster.

If this had an unlocked bootloader and 4 inch screen (maybe 4.3 - I have to test one out) it would be absolutely amazing. 4.5" and signed bootloader and this phone is kind of a joke.

I may not have a new phone for a long time since no new releases fit my requirements.
I feel your pain. I've got monster hands, so the size isn't an issue for me, but if this thing comes out with an encrypted bootloader, I'm waiting for the SGS2. I would be sad to settle for no LTE, as I live in an LTE market, but I have to get one of the two. My girlfriend's Eris is on its last leg, and she's getting my DInc when I upgrade.

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Looks like GSII will beat Bionic to Verizon if this is true.

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Looks like GSII will beat Bionic to Verizon if this is true.

Samsung Galaxy S II Headed to Verizon in July - Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog

Interesting.... but not very difinitive. I won't be holding my breath I guess. July could be september or October pretty easily, but if it does show up in July, I'll probably spring for it.
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I don't see July happening for the Fascinate 2, which is what I think it'll be called.

We've had the X2 and Incredible 2. Why not Fascinate 2?
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Where did you read rumor of 1.7 ghz SGS2 with LTE? No way is that coming out.

1.7 is too big of a jump. Have to leave some 4om for incremental upgrades or it'll be a tough act to follow. People forget that part.
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Jinwons,

Where did you read rumor of 1.7 ghz SGS2 with LTE? No way is that coming out.

1.7 is too big of a jump. Have to leave some 4om for incremental upgrades or it'll be a tough act to follow. People forget that part.
Maybe he mean't 1.2 GHZ? (SGSII is actually 1.2 but underclocked to 1.0 ghz) The ORIG Processor speed is 1.2 GHZ and my OG droid was 800 mhz (downclocked to 600 mhz) but could get overclocked to 1.2 GHZ - 4 ghz jump
1.2+.4 = 1.6 GHZ so maybe a mistake
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Maybe he mean't 1.2 GHZ? (SGSII is actually 1.2 but underclocked to 1.0 ghz) The ORIG Processor speed is 1.2 GHZ and my OG droid was 800 mhz (downclocked to 600 mhz) but could get overclocked to 1.2 GHZ - 4 ghz jump
1.2+.4 = 1.6 GHZ so maybe a mistake
No, I really meant 1.7Ghz. I don't know what makes you think SGSII is underclocked to 1.0Ghz, it is at 1.2Ghz right now. It was originally planned for 1Ghz but it was bumped up to 1.2Gz a few months before the first release.

I heard that rumor news from my Korean colleague and he gave me a news article on it from Korea. Here is that link. You need to translate it to English with google. But it's not certain yet if this will be upgraded Exynos or Snapdragon 8960 that supports LTE.

4.5?? ???S2 LTE?? 9? ??? ???? - ???? IT??? ??! ????

Added: Looks like google translation on that link above is quite clumsy. I found this one too. Looks like they say it will have qualcomm MSN8960 @1.7Ghz

http://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2011060116181769666&ERV2
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