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Old August 15th, 2011, 11:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Speed of bionic is legit. Enjoy.
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Can I get you to install several apps I have and see if it kills the battery? lol





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Judging by the battery gauge it's not so hot
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THAT PHONE LOOKS SEXY!!!!! I'm waiting for vigor / celox / prime / dinara.

I need:

-1.5 GHZ Dual-Core Processor
-HD Screen
-1GB RAM minimum
-4inch+ screen
-LTE

Any phone with those ^, first that comes, I'm buying. Done.

My DX can wait.

Btw Yoda, finally you are trusted...
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Does it have GSM/UTMS settings?
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I don't see anything wrong with that screen at all. The whole thing looks pretty slick in fact.
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That does look sexy. I can't wait. I have an idea Yoda, why don't you FedEx Overnight it to me and Ill check the speed in my neck of the woods LOL.
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That sure does look nice! I'm trying to hold out until there is more info on the SGS2 or Vigor but a picture like this is making it tough!

Yoda...any way you can take a pic so we can see the thickness?
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Yoda, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take a picture of the label on the underside of the battery, so we can know how big it is!


 
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How? How did you get it?
Why? Why haven't you taken more photos?
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How? How did you get it?
Why? Why haven't you taken more photos?
I don't think he'd be able to tell you HOW he got it, since that would give too much away, and then he might risk not getting any more in the future.

But yes, Yoda, why haven't you taken more photos????

If I was Yoda, I'd have taken a million of them. Front, back, sides, battery, multiple pics of the battery indicator with the time next to it to document how long the battery lasts on a single charge, I can think of a ton more. HDMI mirroring, movie playback, posting pictures taken with the phone to determine quality, etc. etc. etc.!!!

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There are tons of pictures of it in the FCC docs from all angles. Theres a thread here. The docs also say it has triband GSM.
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THAT PHONE LOOKS SEXY!!!!! I'm waiting for vigor / celox / prime / dinara.

I need:

-1.5 GHZ Dual-Core Processor
-HD Screen
-1GB RAM minimum
-4inch+ screen
-LTE

Any phone with those ^, first that comes, I'm buying. Done.

My DX can wait.

Btw Yoda, finally you are trusted...
What type of 1.5 GHz processor do you want? Snapdragon? Enoxys? Tegra? OMAP?

I am tired of people clamoring about processor speed as if that is the end all be all, I would take the Bionics 1.0 GHz OMAP over the 1.5 Snapdragon since the Snapdragon is only 20% faster for 50% power requirement...

P.S. John, how do you know that that battery gauge isn't after 15 hours of heavy use =P hahaha.

A still picture is a still picture, it doesn't tell us what drained the battery down so low.
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FCC docs don't show the battery size.

I think battery life expectancy is a HUGE issue with the Bionic. If it really is 1930 mAh, I'd like to know.
 
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The two things I'd like to know are if it has 512MB or 1GB of ram and how big the battery is.
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The two things I'd like to know are if it has 512MB or 1GB of ram and how big the battery is.
It has been known that it has 1 GB DDR2 RAM for quite some time now...

As for the battery I believe it was 1800 with the first generation of the Bionic, I do not know what happened after they revamped it.
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What type of 1.5 GHz processor do you want? Snapdragon? Enoxys? Tegra? OMAP?

I am tired of people clamoring about processor speed as if that is the end all be all, I would take the Bionics 1.0 GHz OMAP over the 1.5 Snapdragon since the Snapdragon is only 20% faster for 50% power requirement...

P.S. John, how do you know that that battery gauge isn't after 15 hours of heavy use =P hahaha.

A still picture is a still picture, it doesn't tell us what drained the battery down so low.
I'd take the OMAP over the Snapdragon easily. Dual channel RAM, man, dual channel RAM.
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I'd take the OMAP over the Snapdragon easily. Dual channel RAM, man, dual channel RAM.
Out of curiosity, what's the benefit of dual channel RAM? I'm not very knowledgeable on most of this tech talk.
 
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Thanks for the pic Yoda!
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Out of curiosity, what's the benefit of dual channel RAM? I'm not very knowledgeable on most of this tech talk.
I were also curious about this.
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Likely like DDR, but I haven't googled it. Allows one bank to be refreshed while the other is accessed so the cpu doesn't have to wait for the refresh cycle to finish.
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Dual channel ram is very overrated... at least with pcs. Tomshardware had an article way back that had timings of dual channel ram verse single channel.

While the dual channel was faster, it was nothing to write home about.
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It has been known that it has 1 GB DDR2 RAM for quite some time now...
You're going to have to prove it, unsubstantiated rumors are not evidence. If you can't prove it, don't say it has been "known".
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More than anything I want to see how think this phone is. Any chance you could lay it next to a Droid X? Or simply measure the depth?
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You're going to have to prove it, unsubstantiated rumors are not evidence. If you can't prove it, don't say it has been "known".
This has been discussed in numerous threads on this forum.

Including:

Motorola 'leaks' impressive Droid Bionic specifications - Gadgets

Motorola DROID BIONIC Specifications Are Now Legit | TechieWarehouse.com Blog

Motorola Droid Bionic Specifications Released and then Retracted - International Business Times

Motorola Droid Bionic Specs Released: Support 4G LTE Network

Droid Bionic Specs Appear on Motorola Site, Quickly Pulled | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

So, how is that for you?
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One more to add to the above post:

Bionic FCC link

2nd FCC link, Battery Door Report, pg. 6. Lists the amount of ram, how much storage, screen type. If you cant access the FCC docs....for some reason some ppl cant...in that post, the info from pg. 6 is posted under the FCC links.
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I were also curious about this.
Here's a video from the Thrill 4G (Optimus 3D). It has the same CPU and RAM as the Bionic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmIcDrjAQAc

Yes, I know this is just marketing. But it explains the concepts.

Dual-channel LPDDR2 is a step in the right direction for phones getting faster and faster. It's like going to dual or quad-core.
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Dual-channel LPDDR2 is a step in the right direction for phones getting faster and faster. It's like going to dual or quad-core.
Except adding a dual or quad core processor has a significant impact on performance (and battery) as long as you have properly coded applications. Dual channel RAM, on the other hand, will only net you roughly 10-20% increase in performance for RAM limited cases (using data from dual channel RAM on desktops). In some cases, dual channel can be slower than single channel because it has higher timings. It remains to be seen if dual channel will even have an impact on a smartphone; loading massive photos into RAM for editing on a desktop takes a lot more power than loading part of a 10MB application into RAM on a smartphone. At the end of the day, we are left throwing around pointless facts.
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Except adding a dual or quad core processor has a significant impact on performance (and battery) as long as you have properly coded applications.
Not every app can take advantage of multiple cores, no matter how well it's coded. People are seeing minimal advantage to a 2nd core right now, and having quad-core will produce even more diminishing benefits. For the most part having more cores means enabling more apps or system threads to run at the same time, rather than speeding up any one app.

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Dual channel RAM, on the other hand, will only net you roughly 10-20% increase in performance for RAM limited cases (using data from dual channel RAM on desktops).
That sounds plausible. I think AMD's 6-core desktop chips are currently plenty well fed from only 2-channel RAM.

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In some cases, dual channel can be slower than single channel because it has higher timings.
I don't think dual-channel RAM is ever slower than comparable single-channel. You're probably remembering how the first desktop DDR2 had horrible latencies and could perform worse than DDR.

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It remains to be seen if dual channel will even have an impact on a smartphone; loading massive photos into RAM for editing on a desktop takes a lot more power than loading part of a 10MB application into RAM on a smartphone.
RAM speed should have minimal effect on the speed of loading data from flash or disk, which are the much slower limiting factors.

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Agreed!
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I don't see anything wrong with that screen at all. The whole thing looks pretty slick in fact.
I still wanna see some sharp closeups, but I agree it does look very nice in the shots Yoda's posted so far.
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Btw Yoda, finally you are trusted...
Yoda will have to post pics with his username written on paper next to them to verify they're totally legit

Specifically these pictures, to be exact:
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Rear view
Battery with mAh clearly visible
Video output sample (video = super bonus!)

Hehehe, I can only dream until release day
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Yoda will have to post pics with his username written on paper next to them to verify they're totally legit

Specifically these pictures, to be exact:
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Rear view
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Hehehe, I can only dream until release day
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No dude, it's all about getting him to post more pics! Shhh, don't tell him though
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Except adding a dual or quad core processor has a significant impact on performance (and battery) as long as you have properly coded applications. Dual channel RAM, on the other hand, will only net you roughly 10-20% increase in performance for RAM limited cases (using data from dual channel RAM on desktops). In some cases, dual channel can be slower than single channel because it has higher timings. It remains to be seen if dual channel will even have an impact on a smartphone; loading massive photos into RAM for editing on a desktop takes a lot more power than loading part of a 10MB application into RAM on a smartphone. At the end of the day, we are left throwing around pointless facts.
I said "like" getting quad or dual. In no way does dual-channel bring such performance increases, I'm just saying it's an upgrade.

But you're right about a lot of that. Everything BlueBiker says.
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So, how is that for you?
Too bad none of those links actually offers hard proof other than whats been said by all the news sites, like a shot of the settings screen or the task manager running. The links to the FCC specs would have been better since that is actually the final hardware and besides, with all the other phones coming out now, Moto would be shooting themselves in the foot if it didn't have 1GB.
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Although GSM is mentioned in the numerous specs, none of the advertising leaks mention it. Could be like the vzw iphone4 where it has the Qualcomm combo chip with CDMA/GSM but not usable.
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Too bad none of those links actually offers hard proof other than whats been said by all the news sites, like a shot of the settings screen or the task manager running. The links to the FCC specs would have been better since that is actually the final hardware and besides, with all the other phones coming out now, Moto would be shooting themselves in the foot if it didn't have 1GB.
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Too bad none of those links actually offers hard proof other than whats been said by all the news sites, like a shot of the settings screen or the task manager running. The links to the FCC specs would have been better since that is actually the final hardware and besides, with all the other phones coming out now, Moto would be shooting themselves in the foot if it didn't have 1GB.
Isn't somebody supposed to chime in and remind us it has DDR2 and therefore doesn't matter whether it's 1GB or not? <ducks>

Anyhoo, like everybody else I'm certain it will indeed have 1GB and you can make your purchase plans accordingly. Pretty sure it's also advertised as having webtop, which would be particularly uncompelling w/less RAM.

[They probly fired the guy responsible for the initial Bionic delay screwup, and they'd hafta fire 'em all over again if the 2nd edition still only had 512MB.]
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The delay was mostly (but not only) due to the development of the LE chip in house. You don't develop a chip overnight. Nor even over a few weeks.
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[They probly fired the guy responsible for the initial Bionic delay screwup, and they'd hafta fire 'em all over again if the 2nd edition still only had 512MB.]
It wasn't delayed, it was taken back for more upgrades, so they say.
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No so they say about it - they brought it out at a conference (CES?) earlier this year and actually asked participants what they liked and did not like about it and then went back to the drawing board.
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It wasn't delayed, it was taken back for more upgrades, so they say.
My understanding, from reading the unverified leaks, is that the current Bionic isn't an upgrade of the original Bionic. The original Bionic (code named Etna) was simply scrapped due to some combination of overheating, flaky LTE, and probably Motorola's growing awareness that 512MB just wouldn't cut it in an image phone. So they brought forward another phone (code named Targa) that they had in development, and this is what's about to be released as Bionic.
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That's entirely possible - it would explain why we get an in-house developed LTE chip - like I said,those things aren't developed overnight.
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My understanding, from reading the unverified leaks, is that the current Bionic isn't an upgrade of the original Bionic. The original Bionic (code named Etna) was simply scrapped due to some combination of overheating, flaky LTE, and probably Motorola's growing awareness that 512MB just wouldn't cut it in an image phone. So they brought forward another phone (code named Targa) that they had in development, and this is what's about to be released as Bionic.
That's it. They took back the name though!
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Well, that also makes sense - the Bionic was never officially released, so the trademark was still theirs to use, and there was no confusion on it b/c no consumers had ever handled a Bionic before other than sample/ pre-release units at CES.
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I'm glad they did it this way. I know some hate the name Bionic, but I think Droid Bionic fits...and it's a cool name. But not near as important as specs.
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